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Michael Jackson Justice: Michael Jackson, Meet Ganesha Om

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Friday, October 1, 2010

Michael Jackson, Meet Ganesha Om

September 31, 2010 – Michael Jackson, Meet Ganesha Om



This is a tangled mess so please bear with me. 

Several blog updates ago, I covered the goings on with a Samantha DeGosson and a group called TINI when exposing their deceptions.  It began as a revealing of photo shop pictures on one person’s page, that grew into discovery of other photo shopped pictures.  Samantha closed her facebook page and TINI’S internal links all went down.  I was then attacked by members of TINI including Dee, Muzikfactory2/Yazmeen Carmen and several others.  I was told that TINI only had technical problems and that Samantha took down her page for (pick a number)  of other reasons.

Upon discovery of Samantha’s amazing access to web pages of a group she supposedly left at the beginning of the year, and the subsequent revelation that TINI was a bit more ah . . . sophisticated than an amateur web site should be for a group of fan groupies, sharing hosting and servers with the likes of SUSIE (I mean Sony), a can of worms was opened.

They are still crawling unfortunately and the woodwork is teaming with them.

Since then new “members” (?) have joined ranks and the worms are still trying to convince us that the “Jackson’s” have accepted the followers' claims that the Jackson’s are their next meal ticket.  But some of their new offspring (the larve?) are a little confused with the new program.

Muzik/Yazmeen has gone back on the attack OF the Jackson’s, Samantha is trying to convince us that the Jackson’s “invited” her to the Memorial (escorted by the also conspicuously absent John Branca?), and Karen Faye has been sending Taaj and others some curious tweets but has otherwise been pretty quiet.

My comparatively anemic digging into Karen Faye’s position in all this has only been due to wanting to keep some things close to the vest until I was sure.

Please give me your opinion on this picture.  The monitor in the background really threw me off.



Of course once people start questioning, their “larve” starts attacking and then the attacked are accused of “disturbing the peace” when they try to defend themselves.  Below is an example on another board where Karen’s motives were questioned:

“… you're lying. It's clear you're here to pick a fight. Keep it up, & I'll be happy to tell the Bodyguards about your secret society of trolls, "Ganesha Om," including a list of aliases you all used so you could spy for the person who set up the page (Karen Faye), after she required you to delete everyone who ever disagreed with her from your friends lists.

I was never "deleted" from any Facebook pages. I deleted both of Karen Faye's pages, after sending her an email explaining why. & there were many other fans who were writing similar emails to Karen Faye with similar complaints, & those fans deleted her also.

Several people were deleted from Firpo Carr's page when your good friend, "Neyha Case," viciously slandered Shana Mangatal on Firpo's page. I & a couple of others defended Shana. Firpo did not delete me, because I was the only one who stuck to the ground rules & defended Shana by presenting the facts, not making personal attacks against those who were slandering Shana”
. ..  Source 

So what is a “Ganesha Om”?


Ganesha Om is a secret group that Karen started where her “trusted” could gather and receive their orders . . . to do amongst other things, spy on and set up fake pages to spy on others, like the officers of “TII” and AEG, as I was once asked to do.

The membership of this secret group was by invitation only.  I was invited by Steph Martin.  Others were invited by members of the “followers” such as Samantha.  At the time, Karen Faye already had two facebook groups going and I couldn’t keep up.  I never had a chance to accept the membership.  I had sent the reply back to Karen declining to “spy” on Randy Phillips and Kenny Ortega.  When I later tried to access the page, my “invite” was I guess revoked.   The “Ganesha Om”, who’s page still exists, here:  Source   

Karen’s early campaign against AEG, then Samantha’s, then in turn, the following fans and TINI will have a hard time convincing me that AEG is suspect in anything if the Jackson’s don’t even think so.   Source 

According to the tabloids, AEG is involved in litigation with the Jackson’s.  Why would they sue someone who took their grandchildren/niece and nephew’s to a Laker game and paid for their security?

Source



Facebook comments from Karen on Michael:
  
Meme Ray: Karen, did Michael ever check his fan sites? Someone from the Michael Jackson Fan Club site claims that he was aware of that particular site.

Karen Faye Kissinger: Michael wasn't very internet/computer savvy. He probably visited when his friends and cousins would sign on and they would show him when they were together. He was barely able to put a movie in his computer and watch it by himself. Trust me, I brought in several computer geeks to teach him. He never really got it. 

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Michael WAS computer savvy and  had several of them in his home.  He would chat at night online incognito and even talked about seeing pictures of himself online as he complained to Schmuley on tape.  He also shopped on Ebay (which is something that confuses me and I can put up a whole web site!) and Michael was especially talented with operating cameras and other electronic equipment.  Now an oven?  I heard THAT was a different story. 

This should help Karen out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fDMAl98Uuc

Computer Man!

And Camera Man!!!


Where Karen got the idea the Michael was a technical retard is beyond most that have taken the time to research him, but, these aren’t the only stories Karen has told that left some scratching their heads.

You can find this and other stories about Michael by those who recorded with him in the industry at http://www.gearslutz.com .  You will hear plenty of stories of Michael and his technical interests and abilities.

Charles Thomson, who seems to be TINI and the Samantha crowd’s hero, had this to say about Karen on his Lowly Newshound blog:

“Further evidence that Jackson's latest motto is 'out with the new, in with the old' comes in the shape of his former make-up artist Karen Faye. Faye was unceremoniously ditched after Jackson's 2005 trial when he jetted off to the Middle East.  However, some insiders say Jackson was better off rid of her. Using the nickname 'Turkle', Faye had a tendency to visit fansites, whilst still under Jackson's employ, and post messages about the size of her boss's crotch.”  Source

This is where that “rumor” came from.  If it is rumor maybe Karen should take it up with her hero, Thomson.

Of course “Lowly” no longer exists thanks to Thomson’s swift deleting of all his hard work (gossip), but we can ask Muzik if her recreation of that blog is still online.  Her version can be found Here This was a May entry in 2009.


More About Samantha DeGosson Source 

Samantha is quite a talented photo shop artist.  Photographer? Well, since her “work” consists mostly of photos with her IN them and not in magazines with her name ON them, I can only assume that her biggest subject is . . . HER. 

I was curious when this picture was brought to my attention with the concern from one of my fellow bloggers of “Why would anyone take a picture of themselves grieving and how did they know the precise moment they were going to find out he died?”

Good question.





Taaj and her “element” of friends –

I just found out that the administrator for the Jackson Family Foundation web site put a link to my blog up there.  Comments were made by some Mary Dixon saying that the link didn't work.  I checked it and it did.  Then a couple pages into the comments Taaj and someone defending Hulya were going at it, then this Mary comments to Taaj about how loving she thinks she is.  Then Mary below that posts again that the link to Michael's guardian doesn't work and what is wrong with it, it says the blog does not exist.  So I posted there that I checked both her link and the administrator's link and both work and that there must be something wrong with her computer.  It’s a dirty tactic but I guess someone has to do it.  Yep, she’s remorseful alright.    This is what they have reduced the Jackson Family Foundation website to?

On her “twitlonger” account (how befitting)  she posted this lame, extended Tweet.  Taaj posted in support of Sammy, then at the end it she announces to the benefactor “there you go!”  Nothing like announcing your assignment is done!  How brilliantly subtle, Taaj!  Maybe you could post her picture right below that, so everyone knows exactly who you are talking about?  I have a couple of pictures you can borrow if you need.

As you read it, she is sounding less like an intelligent mature woman and more like some 14-year old defending her best friend who was bullied in the schoolyard!  Is it just me, or do you sense that she...or maybe even their entire agenda is beginning to lose steam?  If this is the best message they can come up with, it's an embarrassment. 



Liars out in force –

Supposedly, someone saw Murray running from Michael’s house.  Did they forget about the pictures of him getting out of  the ambulance at the hospital?  Source 


Now Muzikfactory2 – aka – Yazmeen Carmen – AKA – TINI Member extraordinaire, posts another hate fest on Jackson family members, this time, Miss Katherine, on her blog.  I won’t give the link on my blog, I would not want to give her a search engine boost.  Just type in Google:  Muzikfactory2 and it should come up.  It is the “Katherine Jackson Lesser of Two Evils”.  Amazingly ignorant.  Miss Katherine, I am really sorry you have to see such hate.  Many more are praying for you . . . remember that.

Taaj . . . Your new best friend?  You better reel her in or your brand new, reinstated photo-shopped relationship with the Jackson family might be in jeopardy.   And you worked so hard . . .

"Lies run sprints . . . the truth runs marathons" - Michael Jackson
Contributed by Deb. W.


Now for the shocker of my life. My heart is in my throat  Remember this guy?  I posted on him last night. This is just to reiterate:


“The singer is married to trial attorney Shawn Chapman Holley, who practices law in the areas of both civil and criminal litigation. A partner of Howard Weitzman of Kinsella Weitzman Iser Kump & Aldiser LLP, she has defended and worked for individuals such as O.J. Simpson, Sara Jane Olson, Lindsay Lohan, Nicole Richie, Paris Hilton, Tupac Shakur, Snoop Dogg, Mike Tyson, The Game, Axl Rose, Jesse McCartney and Michael Jackson. She was also an on-air legal analyst during the E! Network's nightly international coverage of Jackson's 2005 child sexual abuse trial.”  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorian_Holley

Diane Dimond – Devils Advocate

Just when you thought you have heard everything.  Source 


Jermaine is now getting crucified.  Got to love the loving MJ Fans!

And of course, Good ole TMZ - Jumps on the crunch Jermaine bandwagon.


That’s all for tonight.  My homework is done, I’m exhausted and I’m going to bed.   I wish there were no lies to expose but unfortunately, some people consider it an art form and believe for some strange reason that Michael would be proud.

I know this is distasteful and I’m sorry.  But those arrogant enough to try to convince others that they care more about Michael then members of his own family, while creating destructive and personally harmful deceptions that hurt those that Michael loved are right up there with Mottola and Branca in lack of integrity and selfishness.

Stop deluding yourself and stop deluding others.  You are wasting precious time and resources needed in seeking the TRUTH about Michael’s persecution and murder!

For your reading pleasure

 

150 comments:

  1. @ Bonnie: Your link for the Jackson Family Foundation does not work. It states: Server not found. However, I Googled the OFFICIAL Jackson Family Foundation, and the link is: http://www.jacksonfamilyfoundation.us/

    Re: Muzikfactory2... She's been posting excerpts from the book by Jermaine's ex, Margaret Maldonado: "Jackson Family Values" and for those of us who HAVE read the book (I am one) let me clue you in...The ONLY person Maldonado doesn't bash all to hell in that book for the most part is Michael, and she literally rips Jermaine to shreds, although I figure that should be unsurprising of an ex wife.

    Now for a bit of background on the Hindu god Ganesha, in short: Ganesha is widely revered as the "Remover of Obstacles" and more generally as "Lord of Beginnings" and "Lord of Obstacles", "Patron of arts and sciences", and the "Deva of intellect and wisdom". He is honored at the beginning of rituals and ceremonies and invoked as the "Patron of Letters" during writing sessions. Several texts relate mythological anecdotes associated with his birth and exploits and explain his distinct iconography. For more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganesha So, perhaps Karen Faye is interested in or perhaps practices Hinduism or Buddhism?

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  2. Thank you Lady . . . I will change that link. I saw that. :o)

    A book written by an ex-wife . . . Yeah, I thought the same thing. Jermaine is not perfect and I'm sure he and Michael had their wranglings but why would ANY BOOK about the Jackson's suddenly be worthy of reference just because it fits that person's agenda. Bashing Jermaine is not going to bring Michael back and even if it could, I wish some people would remember how MICHAEL would feel.

    On Ganesha I did read a little on that and found it interesting. Which is it though? Hindu or Buddhist? We know she believes in seances. Do either religions do that?

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  3. @ Bonnie: "On Ganesha I did read a little on that and found it interesting. Which is it though? Hindu or Buddhist?" BOTH. But Ganesha's origin is India, therefore Hindu primarily.

    "We know she believes in seances. Do either religions do that?" They BOTH do: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~jewel001/humanities/book/6religion.htm

    I will also say this...ever since Houdini's death, seances have tended to grow quite popular so it's no longer considered a "religious practice."

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  4. These girls are SICK!

    They need help in the worst way!

    I'm glad to hear you are letting the Jackson's know about this.

    I hope the Jackson's sue these girls for the Frauds they are!

    Keep Exposing them Bonnie!

    They ALL need to be brought DOWN for this outrageous behavior!

    Liars and Frauds! Everyone of them!

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  5. Lady - One of these days, I will tell you a story. A story about my mother, seances and God. I'm lucky to be here.

    Josie - These girls are probably the LEAST of the Jackson's worries right now. All I did was send what I had. When the time is right, they will go down.

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  6. Part I...Well, well.. where to start??? The day the photos were published on Karen Faye's page is the day I started doubting her sincerity. Let me start by saying that I don't know what kind of 'Confidentiality Agreement' Karen had to sign years ago, or if it was in force during her rehire for TII.. I do know that anyone who was on her page prior to Michael's passing were exposed to a different Michael then the one she began portraying after his death. We have all made contacts with some credible, some not since this Drama has begun. Let me say, I have heard from someone I deem credible that Karen WAS dismissed by Michael after his 2005 Trial. I read that while in Bahrain he had several friends he invited to visit him and Michael Lee Bush was among the lucky ones. Michael Jackson apparently has always held his trusted relationship with Michael Lee Bush very near and dear to his HEART.. 'TURKLE'.. that not quite true. He paid her well for over 20 years, she was privvy to alot and was very well compensated, as the numerous gifts to her family during those years. We have all read that LMP did not like her/but, since reconcilled a 'friendship' since Michael's death when there was apparently never a friendship. NOW:
    Being a novice of FB, I received an 'invite from an acquaintance to join KFayes page, and I did.. In the days following Michael's death he grew, her postings and attitude changed. 'Friends' became referred to as 'Fans'.. gifts began to arrive.. Cliques began form, nasty back and forth arguments were allowed.. it became ugly. Anyone who questioned or disagreed was removed or became a victim of being 'Investigated' by a group that was forming. I personally received a message from KFaye when posted something that was written by another. I found that odd and disturbing. People on that page changed. Backstabbing and people divulging the 'fake' profiles of others who had become Karen's Army began.. Shana was attacked, she deleted, and those new names popped on her page asking the same sick questions about her and Michael that she chose to avoid. An educated reader could read between the lines and spot who they were. ..
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  7. Part 2.SAMANTHA DE GOSSON.... She became a Star in her own mind..the same thing and the group found a home on her page, too. She would write such things as 'Michael trusted few with his kids, but he trusted me'.. meaning HER. In a chat one evening I told her I enjoyed the eloquence of he kids on MTV.. she responded to the effect that .. 'Michael would have hated it, he trusted his kids with few people and she was one he trusted them with'.. I then responded by asking her if she knew the kids and she returned an answer to me saying that she had been at Neverland many, many times.. and she knew the kids very well. Pulling this together, and reading that she wrote on TINI that she was a fan for over 20 years, but just started following him the last 8 mos. of his life.. well, I began wondering??? the ages of the kids when he left Neverland.. all kinds of thoughts. Then I friended 2 people who are located in LA and were known to Michael.. I was told that De Gosson and he gang truly.. followed, chased and stalked Michael. That he was actually fearful of them. That one day someone from her gang actually pushed Paris in order to reach Michael. He added more bodyguards when he had the kids. Their video, posted by Samantha laughing with her gang while following Michael was another indication that something was awkard regarding their story. Then, Samantha began being rude to questions posed on her page. She would tell people the 'didn't deserve' to be on her page.. Accusations of those who questioned her were just 'Haters' .. She, like Karen became a celebrity on her own page.. gifts and gratitudes.. and I am wondering... For what??? When I posted that I didn't believe her, and did not believe she had personal contact with the MJ3 I then became a VICTIM of attacks, horrible things being said about me.. and a VICTIM of more of her 'Investigators' sending a 'friend' request.. Stupidly, I accepted.. again, from some one I was sent an email from someone who told me that several names I has were actually the same person.. I monitored what I would say to theses persons, who by the way always sent me messages.. questioning where I got my information from.. etc. etc. Finally, I let this person know I was on to them.. I am leaving names off because at this point it doesn't matter, but there are those reading this who know who I am talking about.. I messaged a woman who was an actual friend of Michael's who was suffering and knew him well and had a fb page to help her heal. She messaged me back and told me that Samantha De gosson told her that she did have these such 'Investigators' out there because people were attacking and spreading hate.. I will only say this persons name begins with a 'D' and ends with a 'P' and she knows the situation.. With all of this, a new 'private' group was started by Steph Martin called 'Big Red Girls' only Friends of Karen.. and what I have heard in the beginning was to sort out those'Haters' and enemies who were out her to bring Karen and Samantha down.. .. If this isn't the most ridiculous and sick little society that has been formed.. it is almost laughable and unrealistic in normal person's mind's eye.. The two feuding groups.. 'Anything for Money' the ugliness and accusations, the Jealousy.. There is NO LOVE.. If Michael Jackson were alive today he would be so Hurt, Humiliated, and Disappointed that his fans are doing to one another what the MEDIA did to him.. People calling the Jackson brothers horrible names in this time of grief, sorrow and economic difficulties. ALL of this when compiled only subtracts from what Michael Jackson was really about..

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  8. Lady - I fixed the Jackson Family Foundation link. Thank you for the heads up . . . Lady! ♥

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  9. Part 3. I lost where I left off, I am sorry if this repeats..SAMANTHA DE GOSSON... 'Michael would have hated it, he trusted his kids with few people and she was one he trusted them with'.. I then responded by asking her if she knew the kids and she returned an answer to me saying that she had been at Neverland many, many times.. and she knew the kids very well. Pulling this together, and reading that she wrote on TINI that she was a fan for over 20 years, but just started following him the last 8 mos. of his life.. well, I began wondering??? the ages of the kids when he left Neverland.. all kinds of thoughts. Then I friended 2 people who are located in LA and were known to Michael.. I was told that De Gosson and the gang truly.. followed, chased and stalked Michael. That he was actually fearful of them. That one day someone from her gang actually pushed Paris in order to reach Michael. He added more bodyguards when he had the kids. Their video, posted by Samantha laughing with her gang while following Michael was another indication that something was awkard regarding their story. Then, Samantha began being rude to questions posed on her page. She would tell people the 'didn't deserve' to be on her page.. Accusations of those who questioned her were just 'Haters' .. She, like Karen became a celebrity on her own page.. gifts and gratitudes.. and I am wondering... For what??? When I posted that I didn't believe her, and did not believe she had personal contact with the MJ3 I then became a VICTIM of attacks, horrible things being said about me.. and a VICTIM of more of her 'Investigators' sending a 'friend' request.. Stupidly, I accepted.. again, from some one I was sent an email from someone who told me that several names I has were actually the same person.. I monitored what I would say to theses persons, who by the way always sent me messages.. questioning where I got my information from.. etc. etc. Finally, I let this person know I was on to them.. I am leaving names off because at this point it doesn't matter, but there are those reading this who know who I am talking about.. I messaged a woman who was an actual friend of Michael's who was suffering and knew him well and had a fb page to help her heal. She messaged me back and told me that Samantha De gosson told her that she did have these such 'Investigators' out there because people were attacking and spreading hate.. I will only say this persons name begins with a 'D' and ends with a 'P' and she knows the situation.. With all of this, a new 'private' group was started by Steph Martin called 'Big Red Girls' only Friends of Karen.. and what I have heard in the beginning was to sort out those'Haters' and enemies who were out her to bring Karen and Samantha down.. .. If this isn't the most ridiculous and sick little society that has been formed.. it is almost laughable and unrealistic in normal person's mind's eye.. The two feuding groups.. 'Anything for Money' the ugliness and accusations, the Jealousy.. There is NO LOVE.. If Michael Jackson were alive today he would be so Hurt, Humiliated, and Disappointed that his fans are doing to one another what the MEDIA did to him.. People calling the Jackson brothers horrible names in this time of grief, sorrow and economic difficulties. ALL of this when compiled only subtracts from what Michael Jackson was really about.. A bunch of naysayers.. trying to get aboard the train, after it has left.. for what.. their pictures of them on an LA over pass acting STUPID with an MJ sign, two fan groups who are POLAR opposite of the kindness, goodness, love and benefactor of many who has left this world and is being mocked in greed and lies by All of these above named persons and groups.. The Madness is just that. You nor I am privilidged to any estate information, what TMZ prints, they run with this crap as the gospel.. OK.. Sure.. T

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  10. Part 4. This estate is sharp, the Jackson Team is sharp and we need to pray the LA DA is sharp and Michael Jackson will get the Justice allowed by Law. Non if us were at the Carrollwood estate on the early morning hours of June 25th, 2009.. believe it or not, NOT even Samantha was inside the gate!!! We heard the 911 call, we read the Autopsy report.. we know what we think we know.. This is very long.. but it is as truthful and factual as I can be. I have NOTHING to gain, except a fan on facebook who has become acquainted, with some very smart and nice people, but unfortunately, ALL TOO acquainted with the worse of the worse who act no better than common hoodlums.. and continue to show their lack of real knowledge... they are OUTSIDERS who are really WANNABEE INSIDERS.. here's a tip.. won't happen.. this will eventually end..and they won't change and the fighting and speculation will contine... How Very Sad to spread this Disdain for Michael on a daily basis..

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  11. I would like to say the creator of the Ganesha om 'private' site for this group is Ms. Nehya Walia who lives in India, I do believe I was given correct information.. I was told she refers to herself as MJ's Private Investigator, she has a disability, I believe she is wheelchair bound.. TINI purchased a LAPTOP for her after her computer broke.. She is one claims to be the 'Investigator' for Samantha De Gosson. She creates very believable facebook pages, befriends those that gang see as 'haters' she is very convincing and and very nice in the beginning... and then.. WATCH YOUR BACK.. the ATTACK.. she then proceeds to spread LIES and horrible things that are made up in her very lonely and confused mind.. that are simply not true and all created by her.. I believe those in 'real life' would never believe what De Gosson and KFaye has created.. certainly, Michael would be distressed and most likely would have written another catchy song about the unbelieveness of all of this..

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  12. Bonnie, I'm horrified. This cult of KF's is truly purile and just plain vindictive.

    What on earth would Michael make of this behaviour? I reckon he'd be utterly disgusted. So called fans like this can only harm his public image and we admirers should be working hard to raise his public image for the sake of his children.

    Not a fan of Jermaine but enough said. He is what he is and Michael never criticised him publicly. In many ways I feel for him - Michael Jackson was after all an impossible act to follow. It's not my place to judge Jermaine but I don't think he would make the greatest husband material.

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  13. I'm not signed up so couldn't read it, but that link - a bit more specifically since it won't always be on the home page:

    http://www.jacksonfamilyfoundation.us/forum/topics/we-want-justice-for-michael

    It's difficult for me to grasp the reasoning behind Karen's involvement in spying UNLESS it's for self-gain. Really, the only thing that makes sense to me is doing it for perks - as though she has been promised a glowing reputation, celeb customer referals and promotion of her cosmetic line.

    All of the collusion going on is NUTS!!!

    Darn...that Seattle PI article was SO good...until the final paragraph. :o( Why do they have to do that? Cowards always have to interject doubt to prevent themselves being ridiculed for aligning with and believing in Michael's innocence.

    Here's part 1 of that same article:
    http://blog.seattlepi.com/annebremner/library/Jackson_Trial_-_Part_1.pdf

    A friend just sent me this, so nice to see Michael included in this montage of movie dance scenes:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYL3j27sSH8

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  14. Thanks Lady for the Ganesha info. Do you know what the Om part means?

    Bonnie ~ did you intend to have a twitlonger link for us to read?

    I would be interesting to know who the source was of "Murray running from Michael’s house".

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  15. Hi Bonnie, thanks, as usual.
    May I ask for your assistance on this one? Because, er - I don't mind sounding a bit clueless, so I have to ask:
    I am not acquainted with Karen, Taaj or Samantha but, as far as I've had the chance to see, they blame Sony as much as they do AEG..... they're certainly no friends of Sony, am I missing something? And please, I don't want this to come out the wrong way - I'm not critizing what you said or expressing doubts (and frankly, those photoshoppings are quite scary to me....I do not in any way understand them), I am just simply trying to get my head around this labyrinth, because it got me spinning... :-\
    What would be the agenda behind such (imho) inexlicable actions??? What indeed?
    And also - about the pictures with Michael - where would the original be? who was really on them?
    Well, I'm guessing I'll have to wait and see, but really this is mindblowing, and very heartwrenching.
    (((((((<3)))))))

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  16. A friend of mine who does NOT want to post here and get attacked wanted me to post this:

    "Bonnie, last night's blog was explosive...but necessary. And I think you brought a lot of issues to a head that were ready to boil over. Let it simmer now...and maybe even add a short commentary today to let people know that you thought long and hard before sharing certain revelations publicly, and at the risk of personal attack. Remind people that your mission since June 25, 2009 was solely for the purpose of answering the call of one special angel who was taken from us, who can no longer speak. And if the truth takes you to places that are risky or unpleasant for others because you discover things that question their true commitment to Michael's memory, then so be it. And if being courageous enough to challenge others about their loyalty to Michael and stating facts you are willing to stand behind makes you insane, weird or delusional, then I am proud to be in the company of one such magnificent human being. Michael himself was branded with similar labels...but we don't better, don't we?"


    I guess I am insane now according to what she is reading being posted. I haven't even seen this. I posted Jenn's comments above. There is a lot of detail there, but she was there when these Facebook pages were being put up. I too was a member of Big Red as well. I'm probably not now (don't care), but Karen's pages if you include her original FB page, that makes three four FB groups she's shut down since last year. There are other "groups" out there.

    There is more to this. You are going to be shocked. Things you have been told and believed since last year. I am still working on gathering this stuff so please bear with me.

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  17. Jenn - "I don't know what kind of 'Confidentiality Agreement' Karen had to sign years ago, or if it was in force during her rehire for TII.. I do know that anyone who was on her page prior to Michael's passing were exposed to a different Michael then the one she began portraying after his death. "

    I was never on Karen Faye's page before Michael's passing, but I found a lot of her posts on various MJ fan forums from 2005 - 2008 and I have to agree with you.

    This is very hurtful to those that trusted her and you asked the question more than once . . . Why? What is all this for?

    I very much appreciate the time you took to write up that post. It explains some things to people visiting that may not have a background knowledge of foundation of all this and how it started. I'm sorry you have been bullied. This is exactly why this has to be exposed. Their behavior has done nothing but hurt people.

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  18. Jenn - "This estate is sharp, the Jackson Team is sharp and we need to pray the LA DA is sharp and Michael Jackson will get the Justice allowed by Law. Non if us were at the Carrollwood estate on the early morning hours of June 25th, 2009.. believe it or not, NOT even Samantha was inside the gate!!! We heard the 911 call, we read the Autopsy report.. we know what we think we know.. "

    We know what we THINK we know. You're right. There has been so much information/misinformation put out online, I wonder how many people have actually contacted the courts to try to get copies of the actual documents that have been put online? Everything from the Death Certificate to the latest lawsuit and contract leaked out.

    We DON'T know . . . and the people behind TINI have been running this campaign since before the release of TII . . . how did they get the pictures from the rehearsals? Who gave them pictures of a closed stage with confidentiality agreements signed for TII performers and contributors? Who?

    Well, who bought the movie rights?

    Sony.

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  19. Bonnie ~

    ". . . how did they get the pictures from the rehearsals? Who gave them pictures of a closed stage with confidentiality agreements signed for TII performers and contributors? Who?

    Well, who bought the movie rights?

    Sony."

    Wowwww!

    Thank you Jenn for sharing your information.

    ".. TINI purchased a LAPTOP for her after her computer broke.. "

    I don't suppose that was a SONY laptop?

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  20. Simo - You said: "I am not acquainted with Karen, Taaj or Samantha but, as far as I've had the chance to see, they blame Sony as much as they do AEG..... they're certainly no friends of Sony, am I missing something?"


    Yes, I'm aware that SOME of them are posting blame to Sony. Karen has never done that and neither has Samantha, but other TINI friends have done that. I have seen their web site.

    Sony has always been this untouchable entity. And as I posted above, you can say what you want about Sony. They are a huge corporation leveraged in more than just Michael Jackson. They have music, movies, electronics, gaming. AEG Live is a concert promotion company backed by a quiet billionaire named Philip Anschutz who owns a chain of movie theaters and parts of many other companies.

    Before the movie was even released, TINI was all over it, promoting the "ill treatment" of Michael, promoting his ill health, talked about heaters being used on the stage, how thin he was and they had pictures to prove it.

    Where did this group of "fans" get these pictures before the movie was even released? Before then the only thing online was the trailer on the news showing Michael dancing to "They don't care about us".

    Where did TINI get photos taken during rehearsals and from film shots before the movie was released?

    Take a look at the date Sony bought the rights to the movie in August. TINI gets the "pictures" from Sony and puts up the website in September, before the movie was released.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson%27s_This_Is_It+Sony+purchases+rights+to+This+is+it&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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  21. @ Truth: Lucky for you I practice meditation! I used to practice Yoga, but gave it up in favor of the practice of Kundalini (chakra-based meditation) to raise my consciousness (awareness), and found it more beneficial. However, in answer to your question as to what "Om" means, here's your answer:

    Om is a mantra, or vibration, that is traditionally chanted at the beginning and end of yoga sessions. It is said to be the sound of the universe. What does that mean?

    Somehow the ancient yogis knew what scientists today are telling us— that the entire universe is moving. Nothing is ever solid or still. Everything that exists pulsates, creating a rhythmic vibration that the ancient yogis acknowledged with the sound of Om. We may not always be aware of this sound in our daily lives, but we can hear it in the rustling of the autumn leaves, the waves on the shore, the inside of a seashell.

    Chanting Om allows us to recognize our experience as a reflection of how the whole universe moves— the setting sun, the rising moon, the ebb and flow of the tides, the beating of our hearts. As we chant Om, it takes us for a ride on this universal movement, through our breath, our awareness, and our physical energy, and we begin to sense a bigger connection that is both uplifting and soothing.

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  22. Bonnie, thank you for taking the time to answer me :-)
    This is ALL very unsettling, and you are so brave (just like someone we all knew and love), keep it up.
    Can I say something quite offtopic? The 1999 bridge accident in Munich, during the benefit concert, Earth Song performance? We all know that one, of course. It just had never occurred to me that it took place on June 27th, 1999. Michael hurt himself badly that night, far worse than he gave away there and then, and it was almost 10 exact years before he..... well, sorry guys, it just hit me tonight for some reason and needed to share, lots of love...

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  23. Thank you for explaining Lady, very interesting! I thought it may be a mantra but I sure didn't know all that about what they are.

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  24. Bonnie – I am so glad you don’t give up and know how important it is to expose the bad elements in Michael’s community. If you don’t expose them, they will further bring more fans who are vulnerable to their side and eventually destroy the community to nothingness. We have to keep Michael’s vision intact, which is truth and honesty.

    Is Muzic knows the family personally, I mean is she a friend to any one of the family and has inside knowledge about them to attack them ? Otherwise what does she know about the family except the rumors that she has heard about them? How come someone talks about other family badly unless you know them personally?

    Ganesha Om is a Hindu deity in that belief system , so Karen is calling her “Secret" group Ganesha Om? I still don’t understand how she associate the Hindu deity with spying others?

    Please help me what Karen is trying to achieve by spying the officers of AEG and others? Is it to fight for justice for Michael or does she have other motives? Sorry for asking a lot of questions, I am just confused.

    A man who composes music, plays instruments, and manipulates music studio tools is unable to learn how to use computer? Give me a break. This is a complete lie in my book. Oh God I want to be in this girl’s face and telling her STOP lying. Even the video camera he was using recording “Liberian Girl” (I love the song) video is a testimony. Okay, I am going to keep reading.

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  25. truthbtold2all said...
    Thanks Lady for the Ganesha info. Do you know what the Om part means? Bonnie ~ did you intend to have a twitlonger link for us to read?


    Truthbtold - No, I did not want to help Taaj with any search engine ranking by linking directly to her twitlonger blog. You should be able to go to it with her taaj2001 I.D.

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  26. If am not mistaken, please correct me if I did, I read one of the tweets comment by Randy Jackson posted here saying he does not know about the Jackson Foundation and his family are not involved with it. Is that true?

    Sorry Mrs. Miss Katherine. I can’t believe Muzik is going after an 80 years old lady viscously like that . She must not have a grandmother or a loving mother or she is not a mother herself to do to Michael who loves his mother so dearly and claims she loves him. Miss Katherine might have her own short coming since she is a human being, but for God sake Michael loves her so much. “I cannot imagine growing up without a mother’s love”. MJ

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  27. @Jenn,

    Thank you so much for further confirming your experience with those who lie and deceive the fans for their own gain. Your story is very touchy and sad.

    I seriously believe these people are backed by some powerful entity to further divide the base. No one can convince me they are doing this just for their own fame without gaining some material compensation. Just going for personal fame will not gain them anything except low information fans.

    I am so glad you are one of the informed fans who saw their schema and refuse to bow down to them. I am also glad that you coming forward is an encouragement for others to do the same as you did.

    All we need is the fire that is already started to ignite and burn them off so Michael’s loving community continue to spread their love as he intended always.

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  28. @Mimi,

    The very idea that some think it's O.K. to attack Katherine Jackson is beyond me. The 4 people Michael loved the most in the world were named in his Will for all to see. For every unkind thing some may want to say about her, I can think of several kind things to say. She built him up when others, including some in his family, mercilously tore him down. She attended every day of his trial in 2005, including the most personal and embarrassing days. She was a moral guide for him in many ways and a type of filter as well. She didn't have to compete for his attention like those in his entourage did. Her "position," if you will, was secure. She's not his employee and wasn't concerned with getting "fired." According to a recent interview with Jermaine, he said that Katherine was the only person that cuold get him on the phone at a moments notice and really talk to him...for the most part...:-) (I'm sure he had his days.) Must important, she wasn't ruinously ambitious with risky money schemes like his father was, and still is. Although she is not a business woman, Michael often, rightly or wrongly, trusted her gut instinct when he made business decisions. Yes, Michael loved and trusted her a great deal.

    I can't imagine going through what she has been going through at 80 years of age!

    “I cannot imagine growing up without a mother’s love”. MJ

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  29. AND...speaking of photoshopped photos of Michael, this is a wonderful article that was written in July of 2010 about such. However, this discusses the photoshopping of a different kind...

    http://whataboutmj.wordpress.com/2010/07/31/manipulations/

    Although it talks about photoshopping Michael's image into a supposedly more sexy version, I wish it would've addressed the sort that is here on this blog-- the shopping of photos in order to puff up one's ego, and get attention for one's self without any true intention of being motivated in bringing about justice for Michael. But alas...

    In any case, YES...I have photoshopped art (and tasteful artistry) of Michael. For those of you who would like a peek at it, you're welcomed to do so at: http://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/ladyaquarius1962/MJ%20Art%20by%20Lady%20Aquarius/

    Mimi asked: "If am not mistaken, please correct me if I did, I read one of the tweets comment by Randy Jackson posted here saying he does not know about the Jackson Foundation and his family are not involved with it. Is that true?"

    YES! Which is why I too am rather suspicious of and concerned about this too. Randy also mentioned in his previous tweets that he was concerned for his parents regarding this as they have "no idea what sort of people they're dealing with."

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  30. It's interesting the comments made regarding Michael's abilities with technology. I too find it hard to believe that he would have much difficulty using a computer. I've read that when he was a child, back in the Motown days, he was fascinated with the workings of the recording studio. He absorbed, learned and built on that knowledge very quickly from a young age and certainly new his way around a recording studio. Others were impressed with how quickly he picked things up. In those days it was an analog world. No digital. Through the 80's he would have learned how to use digital mixing consols and other recording equipment, and yes, computers, not to mention gear from the film industry. I believe his fascination with film started with his work on the film "The Wiz" with Quincy Jones back in the mid to late 70's. As we all know, that fascination never ended. In fact, my understanding is that he had been receiving private tutoring in the last year or so of his life on the very latest film industry technology. I think we all know he was very serious about taking his career in that direction. I'm sure he would have been very good at it if he was given that opportunity...:-(

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  31. Karin - Horrified is a good word. I don't understand it either. The more I follow these relationships the more pieces get put together and Karin, it's not good. Sometimes I just want to throw up. There is more but I'm not there yet. I am also bracing myself because this will not go quietly into the night. These people are vicious and they are dangerous. I don't know what their agenda is, but there is someone/thing behind them. This is not just vanity or 15 minutes of fame behind this.

    Truthbtold - "t's difficult for me to grasp the reasoning behind Karen's involvement in spying UNLESS it's for self-gain."

    It is for self gain, but there is more to it than that. Karen was not very loyal to Michael. I can't say any more . . .

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    DAvid - "I may have already sent this to you, but if not, here it is again. I think you should include it so your readers will see it! :)
    http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2010/08/17/refuting-the-legal-analysts/ " This should fit in nicely with the Legal conference they just had on the 15th of Sept. with Tom Mesereau in attendance.

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  32. Mimi & Lady - I too remember Randy's statement about the JFF and his family not being involved. The JFF website has a pic of Joe as the pres, it SAYS Katherine is VP (no pic), and another man named Sahouri. I think they are trying to raise money (they say) to build the MJ performing arts center in Gary, IN. Someone else involved with JFF is Deborah Dannelly who is the president of the MJ Fan Club which I think is the fan club that sponsored Michael's 2003 birthday party, and there are vids on YouTube of Deborah at Neverland, so let's hope it's a legitimate venture.

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  33. Truthbtold - "Wowwww!

    Thank you Jenn for sharing your information.

    ".. TINI purchased a LAPTOP for her after her computer broke.. "

    I don't suppose that was a SONY laptop? "

    LOL! A Sony Laptop. I think my son has one of those. I'm going to have to talk to that boy!

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    Simo - "The 1999 bridge accident in Munich, during the benefit concert, Earth Song performance? We all know that one, of course. It just had never occurred to me that it took place on June 27th, 1999. Michael hurt himself badly that night, far worse than he gave away there and then, and it was almost 10 exact years before"



    Wow, Simo! That is REALLY upsetting! I remember discussing this before and what if they were trying to put him out of commission then? If what I am researching right now is right . . . Many, many questions will be answered and the people placing people around Michael were doing so way back then . . . even before Sony bought into half of the ATV!

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    Mimi - "s Muzic knows the family personally, I mean is she a friend to any one of the family and has inside knowledge about them to attack them ? Otherwise what does she know about the family except the rumors that she has heard about them? How come someone talks about other family badly unless you know them personally?"


    No, Muzik does not know them personally . . . none of that group does except maybe Karen, who had more of a relationship with Michael then she did with the family. From what I know, Mimi, the campaign is not really to self-promote but to publicly defame AEG. Of all the stories I have heard about Michael's condition (conflicting verisions) ALL THE STORIES about Michael's weight, freezing, disoriented, drugged, could barely walk etc . . . ALL THOSE STORIES came from TINI/Faye/DeGosson group.

    NO ONE ELSE working with him testified to Michael being in that condition and the film TII showed quite a different Michael . . . even the outtakes on the DVD and the other scenes showing up online showed a Michael friendly with people Karen said Michael couldn't stand. I found a picture of Michael with his arm around Phillips! What the heck, Karen?!!!

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  34. Mimi - "If am not mistaken, please correct me if I did, I read one of the tweets comment by Randy Jackson posted here saying he does not know about the Jackson Foundation and his family are not involved with it. Is that true? "



    Not sure, I didn't see it, but on the web site the officers are Katherine and Joe Jackson, and a couple of others.

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    Mimi - "I seriously believe these people are backed by some powerful entity to further divide the base. No one can convince me they are doing this just for their own fame without gaining some material compensation. Just going for personal fame will not gain them anything except low information fans."


    It is a public campaign to defame AEG. They are driving as much attention to the lies they put out there to take attention of the "other" entity. Yes, the TINI site does have comments on their against Sony . . . they have to because they know the fans know . . . BUT they did not support boycotting of the film nor did they support Boycotting of Sony until recently. You'll see . . . There will be more that will come out.

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  35. SandyK - "According to a recent interview with Jermaine, he said that Katherine was the only person that cuold get him on the phone at a moments notice and really talk to him...for the most part...:-) (I'm sure he had his days.)"


    Sandy I'm glad you posted that. Jermaine is close enough to his brother to know him and he could talk about his closeness with his mother without malice or jealousy about that . . . how can people sit there and say that Jermaine was jealous enough to be okay with him dying??? Every little family squabble has been so blown out of proportion by the press, that they have turned Jermaine into someone we don't even recognize . . . Jermaine, if you listen to him and watch his face . . . same softness to him that Michael had. There is no evil in that guy's face. He was not perfect, and yes, he may have had his jealousies but that is normal and I'm sorry, I've seen his interviews. Jermaine loved his brother!

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    Lady - "AND...speaking of photoshopped photos of Michael, this is a wonderful article that was written in July of 2010 about such. However, this discusses the photoshopping of a different kind...

    http://whataboutmj.wordpress.com/2010/07/31/manipulations/"


    Thank you for posting this. I saw this and even though I knew they were NOT Michael the first time I saw them, this was a very good article. And your photoshopping is very artistic and tastefully done! Thank you for sharing your link. :o)
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    SandyK - "I too find it hard to believe that he would have much difficulty using a computer. I've read that when he was a child, back in the Motown days, he was fascinated with the workings of the recording studio. "


    Yes he was. http://www.gearslutz.com is where I learned the most about Michael in the recording studio and seeing some of his interviews where he is playing with sounds and testing things out. Interesting and endearing. ♥♥♥
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  36. Bonnie - you are absolutely right, no one who was there working during TII rehearsal said anything about him being weak or unable to do anything. Today I was listening one of the dancer’s named Timor Steffens interview and he said, “he is 50 but he dances he is one of us, like he was 20 or 18”. “To me he was in top shape, ready to kick some.....” So who is right, the dancers who were there and work with him every day or some lunatics who have no factual facts they were with him except photo shopped pictures?

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  37. Lady & June - If the Jackson family does not know and not involve with the Foundation, who is doing this using their name? I don’t believe they don’t know about it because the website link is posted in almost every websites and blogs dedicated to Michael. So what is Randy talking about?

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  38. Bonnie,

    If Karen and Sam and their gang are trying to blame AEG and get the focus off Sony, then they are on Sony's side!

    That makes them accomplishes of Michael's Murder.

    OR

    They are Murdering Michael all over again!

    SICK!

    The Whole Thing is Just So SICK!

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  39. I find it intriguing that Samantha posts pics of herself with many other celebrities besides Michael Jackson, whether they are photoshopped or not.

    And her group following Michael around everywhere he went, ewww. Poor Michael with no privacy anyway. What if he wanted to visit his urologist, or his grandmother's grave. or even meet a date, there they are. All for love, of course (sarcasm).

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  40. Bonnie and readers, First, I have to apologize for my posts repeating themselves. There was so much and over the allowed 'characters' allowed, I have to split it up and was so very tired, I forgot what I had posted and where I left off!! Now, that said.. It is very interesting how those of us who are just regular people, came together for a common purpose.. Justice For Michael.. R E A L.. Justice, not self serving, filling our pockets with $$$ made from selling shirts and hoodies and donations to have your name added to a rock, to charter a bus and make a profit shuffling MJ fans ( many foreigners) visiting during the anniversary of Michael's death.. back and forth to Neverland.. leaving your calling card on the grand stones that make up the entrance to Michael's Dream.. with a cheap Sharpie Pen.. and rolling into Santa Maria, snacks and drinks Included... FOR A PRICE !! this particular group kinda had their own tour bus for profit... all in the name of JUSTICE4MJ.. excuse me, but I must stop and LMAO.. those involved has carefully orchestrated a successful gimmick and continue to prey on the MEMORY and TRAGIC LOSS of the Worlds Greatest Entertainer, the recipient of a renlentless Fan Bass who would faithfully follow him, love him, pray for him and stand by him... for personal financial gratification as this particular group has. Fans have supported the requests from both groups financially. Amazing, how it is these groups who incorporate HATE, LIES, DECEPTION,, the only ones doing this who have turned FAN to FOE..the mission has changed and it is now to hurt, harm and humiliate one who does not agree with their very personal agendas.. Kinda like what MJ fought during his life.. Lie, Lie, Lie. Gossip, Cold people..
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    Bonnie, I believe you know who I was referring to with the initials DP.. I believe her to be nice person who has lost a dear, dear friend friend in Michael. I purposefully left names off, except that as Nehya Walia because she has been a Leader in Deception, Creator of made up LIES for self gratification??? makes me wonder what she did before she became an 'MJ Investigator' prior to Michael's death for KFaye and De Gosson.. But, what these people have done, and credit is due to their Clever tactics and continued assassinations of others. KFaye.. that is one who confuses me?? I do believe she Loved Michael.. but what a ride she had for over 20 years.. she traveled the world free of charge with the kindness human spirit anyone could call their boss. She was given, as she attested to..the 'Honor' to prepare him one final time. So, why dishonor that 'Honor' and become this person of such low self esteem to send her 'army' out and 'DISHONOR'a lifetime of wonderment??? Just asking... Thanks Bonnie..By the way.. Have you been able to locate the photo that they used to cleverly insert themselves in??? I have been searching... I found one when I googled Michel Jackson images and put the date that was supposedly taken. A photo appears with only Michel and a person whited out.. ???

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  41. TROLL ALERT, TROLL ALERT!!!!

    Received this in my private messages (there are others but this one was obvious)

    "Briana Boyze October 2, 2010 at 5:02am

    Subject: Hi

    Hi Bonnie - I felt it was necessary to tell you about the origin of the Ganesha Om page. I am also asking you to not use my name please if you quote me. The page was originally started by Neena Ananda who is from India herself and she set the page up with the Ganesha name and gave all access info to Karen Faye who then signed on under that account where we could all "share" our grief about Michael and with Karen giving little morsels here and there about Michael and his family and the pending investigation. What really turned me off was the fact that Karen was putting down the Jacksons' and especially Mrs. Katherine Jackson. In her eyes, Katherine was the main source of dysfunction within the Jackson family and that Katherine was also not equipped to handle Michael's estate and was not the one who should be able to make decisions' regarding his legacy..

    Not too much other than that though Bonnie. And please if you do quote me, please word this differently and not use my name. I have had my fair share of dealings with Karens' followers and cannot handle their drama no more."




    She was NOT listed on the Ganesha Om list of participants so I checked her profile and she was a new page with all of four friends, one of them who is in charge of production for Lucas Films (told you these people are not just fans!) So I "answered" her and then blocked her.

    If you get any private messages from this person or any other "Ganesha" informant, check their profiles before answering them. If they've been on long enough to have been invited to Ganesha Om and only have single digit number of friends, then you know they are full of crap.

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  42. Here we go:

    She is: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000627531989

    One of her FOUR friends:

    http://www.facebook.com/marlon.montgomery who works for Lucas films. How obvious.

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  43. Mimi said - "Today I was listening one of the dancer’s named Timor Steffens interview and he said, “he is 50 but he dances he is one of us, like he was 20 or 18”. “To me he was in top shape, ready to kick some.....” So who is right, the dancers who were there and work with him every day or some lunatics who have no factual facts they were with him except photo shopped pictures? "



    I know that those working within TII had to sign confidentiality agreements (obviously, they were preparing a concert). Those breaking them? Karen Faye. I can't even say that Michael Bush broke any agreement because he hasn't really said anything. Even on the interview, he was upset, but he never talked about the production other than to say that Michael asked him to promise not to tell. When the interviewer asked him, MLB said, "what I was seeing". He was very careful. Karen is the one that has been talking about this from the get-go on Facebook. She came out of the gate after he died, implicating AEG and the only people backing her up are the SONY-STALKERS!!!

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  44. Josie said - "If Karen and Sam and their gang are trying to blame AEG and get the focus off Sony, then they are on Sony's side!"


    Collusion. I don't know yet why they are doing it other than to publicly defame AEG just as Sony did to Michael under certain officers. Things have gotten real quiet . . . too quiet. They are off somewhere in whatever new private group they have, sending the occasional "TROLL" over to my FB page to "befriend" me as I posted above.


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    Rhoda said - "And her group following Michael around everywhere he went, ewww. Poor Michael with no privacy anyway. What if he wanted to visit his urologist, or his grandmother's grave. or even meet a date, there they are. All for love, of course (sarcasm). "


    They followed him even to Dr. Klein's office! You know Michael had to have them checked out! No wonder security closed ranks!

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  45. Jenn said - "Justice For Michael.. R E A L.. Justice, not self serving, filling our pockets with $$$ made from selling shirts and hoodies and donations to have your name added to a rock, to charter a bus and make a profit shuffling MJ fans ( many foreigners) visiting during the anniversary of Michael's death."

    Yes Jenn, and we had Brian Oxman helping out some of these girls (I deleted myself from his page too), and Courtland Lauger also trying to capitalize and I deleted myself from his page . . . there was a lot of this going on. People who have one picture of themselves with Michael (photoshopped or non) who upon that one photograph or one period of time with him claim life-long friendships that quite frankly would send a badger into hiding.

    Michael was surrounded by thugs for a long time and everyone he finally checked out and got rid of, another would fill their place . . . as long as he was under contract with SONY, this was always going to happen.

    Keep and eye on Bandier. Next to nobody has mentioned this guy's name and he's into this neck deep!

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  46. Contribution on more names if any of you have run across these:



    Nehya.. who goes by Bunny Collins, an abesakaa A.. something.. the spellings all wrong..Donna Bee is Not real, Akshana something is not real, a Brandy car... something is fake... oh, there are soo many... a Christina Drake Cooper.. fake... Lisa Papania.. fake..Sonia Hudson is also Donna Bee.

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  47. Add to all Jenn said, such juvenile behavior as having sugar packet fights in Dennys in honor of Michael, exclaiming "Michael would love it!". Imagine the irritation and disgust of both employees and paying customers. Who cleaned up the mess & how many customers were disturbed? Michael would only "love it" if the restaurant were closed & you can bet his crew would clean up the mess!

    Another part of their purpose could be to discredit and smear the reputation of Michael's true fans in the public eye so anything of importance they have to say or reveal will be discounted.

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  48. Just for fun...:-)

    This is Michael in the process of recording "We Are The World" in the mid 80's. Since it is a rehearsal, it shows Michael starting and stopping periodically during the song as he and Quincy Jones refine and layer his vocal. He stands "relatively" still for the session, but there are a couple of times you can tell he wants to cut loose but keeps it contained. His voice is beautiful here and at one point "Q" has him sing a few lines acapella. I think to get a level set. I was a teenager at this time and had a HUGE crush on him and loved that black on gold jacket on him. Anyway, just had to share that. I'm seeing this video for the first time and I'm LOVIN' it!!! I hope you will too...:-)

    Source:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1v5z2jN8TU

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  49. The marketing of Michael continues, for better and worse. Of course there is a Sony connection.

    "SEE Virtual Worlds is now in Planet Michael's orbit."

    It promotes itself as a "free-to-play, 3D game based on the works of the late singer" to be played on Sony products.


    Source:
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20017141-1.html

    Disclaimer: This is for information only, not promotion.

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  50. @Bonnie,

    "Yes he was. http://www.gearslutz.com is where I learned the most about Michael in the recording studio and seeing some of his interviews where he is playing with sounds and testing things out. Interesting and endearing. ♥♥♥"-Bonnie

    Bonnie, do you have the links to these interviews? I've been doing searches in Gearslutz and haven't been able to find them yet. I would very much enjoy reading them...:-)

    Thanks!!!

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  51. We Are The World - Same video but better quality audio/video.

    Bonnie,

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that you have mentioned that you are a vocalist yourself. Michael's short acapella section starts at 2:41. I think you, and any vocalist for that matter, will definitely appreciate it...:-) Voice of an angel...:-) Just beautiful...:-)

    Source:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53T7XC__kZk&feature=related

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  52. Please indulge me one more time:

    "We Are The World" - Demo (different video)

    Michael's vocal with out guest vocalists.

    Source:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce9Vyj3EFPI&feature=related

    Thanks!!

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  53. Pathetic little Gollums who thrive in gossipy nastiness who can't use their real names..
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    Thoughts: This Neena Ananda,, another little Gollum who plays the game...Courtland Lauger.. former boyfriend of Karen Faye's sister. His association with Michael came...VIA.. Karen Faye. Does anyone remember back to the first two court appearances. Courland was asking for a $500 Donation to have your name appear on his very large banner he created.. M I C H A E L J A C K S O N...people were in disbelief.. He does have a business and I believe he does quite well as a photographer and single father raising two young children.... What is so amazing is that they still continue to create these 'fake' profiles to 'tattle' on one another. If I had to guess, I have heard this name before, it was sent to me on the list to be that of Nehya Walia.. MJ's Private Investigator from India. I can't be certain because there are so many 'TROLLS' in that group. What is amazing is how they not only attack those they don't know and lable them 'Haters' they Attack their own. What they have show is they Lack everything that was 'MIKE LIKE'.. This is just my opinion, but on the rung of despicable worms who have surfaced, I put Samantha De Gosson on the top of the rung. She has turned her goons on loving fans who simply don't believe her, but worse, she is responsible for adding stress to MJ's last months by the brand of Stalking Michael, Lying and this grand Hoax she has put in to place. The one below her on the rung is Karen Faye. Michael gave her the opportunity to be part of his 'Final Show'.. to re live the genius at work.. and she in turn has been nothing exploit him, sell him out (crypt photos.) and has shown NO regard for his beautiful children. She started these rumors and teamed up with De Gosson to add fuel to the fire.. The two fighting groups are self absorbed fighting with one another, Lying.. 'fish' stories everyday. who attacks bigger.. who has more garbage than the other group. FANS... NO WAY... NEVER.. OPPORTUNIST.... ABSOLUTELY!!! Any Justice will never come from any of what I want to rename the UNJUSTICEMJ4... the 4 being, De Gosson, KFaye, Taaj Malik's group and the so called Justice4MJ people. They could have done wonderful things, and taken a page from the group run by Sandy Lee Scott who runs the "Sunflowers for Michael" Group.. Instead these Gollums have taken the Lowest possible road: Attacking Michael's Fans, Attacking his family, Attacking one another.. everything he held close to his heart.. Enought Said...

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  54. I've posted this before but wanted to add it again and expand on it concerning the "fan-followers."

    What a sad commentary on these so called "fan-followers." They may very well have met Michael but they truly didn't "know" Michael, and didn't respect his, or his children's space. Do they have any concept of how self serving their actions were, and still are?? In their so-called "need" to be close to Michael, they totally disregarded his very legitimate need for space and privacy. His legitimate "need" trumped their selfish "need" a thousand times over!!!! How blind they are! Samantha and crew take note.

    Early in my life I had encountered celebrities in the music industry on a few occasions in a work setting. I'll NEVER mention their names or display the few treasured photos I have in a public forum (Facebook, Twitter, Flickr, or anywhere else), but they are all very talented individuals and were very pleasant to work with. They consisted of grammy winning artists and have names that all would be familiar with but none have Michael's stature. (Although I would have been thrilled, I never had the honor of meeting Michael.) In my work capacity, I never asked for autographs/photographs unless it was an official event expressly used for that purpose. I didn't get involved in chatty conversation with these individuals unless they initiated it. Even then I kept it formal and never got too familiar. As a result, I was allowed to attend certain events and was given certain responsibilities when others weren't. The idea of "following" them or Michael around for ANY reason is beyond comprehension to me. The ONLY reason I mention this at all is that I learned at a relatively early age the importance of respecting the space, privacy and time of others whether they were celebrities or not. These women clearly never learned that and I don't think they comprehend the very idea of it even today. It's especially appalling since these are women in and around their 30's!!! This is what teenage girls do, not adult women!!! The principle individual here, in her mid to late 30's, who doesn't appear to have a real job, seems to still be on a mission to "find" herself and has made her obsession with Michael her reason for existing. This is how it appears to me and is sad on many levels. As a result, I don't want to attack her and I can't hate her despite her actions of which I don't approve. I can only pity her.

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  55. Anonymous private messager said - "If Karen had an agenda and was doing someone else's bidding, that makes me hate her even more when I think of the dressing trailer video, how she put Michael on the spot to fess up about forgetting his finger tape. It sounds like a minor thing to us, but Michael never liked being called out for his weaknesses, and when he's being filmed he wants to give only his best, so that was really petty of Karen. The finger tape is an iconic symbol for Michael, so much so that it's almost an extension of his hand - a part of him. So to harp on saying he forgot it one day rings of someone playing "gotcha" and I didn't like it. See what I mean? We have to think with Michael's brain to understand how that would have irked him.

    Notice how Bush always remained quiet and respectful of Michael in the video, concentrating only on his job in helping with Michael's costume - I really respect the guy. But Karen babbled away, even remarking on filming a shot of Bush's "booty!" She was annoying and mentioned the tape to make Michael feel uneasy in front of the camera - for no other reason than to prove she is totally UNCOUTH!

    Karen comes across like a woman who would like fans to believe she had total control of Michael. It's known that he did a lot for her family in the way of gestures and financial help, although I don't know exactly what he did for her, but he was generous. It's almost as if she worked him 24/7 to gain his trust as a friend, only to turn on him later. I said once before that Karen displays an obsessive "territorial" behavior in her physical contacts with Michael, but it's not to be confused with being "protective." She was obsessive in a touchy feeling way, putting Michael in a bubble. If she had been protective of him, she would have stroked him less and SPOKEN up more publicly in his defense. I didn't see that. Why?

    When I watched her in the Bashir documentary, I totally misread her the first time, the way she spread herself all over Michael in front of Bashir. I thought it was her maternal instinct because I went into the video wanting someone to help Michael out of that trap Bashir was setting for him! Now I know I was wrong! That segment where she's sinking her head into Michael's arm (did she need a nap that day?) and drapes her entire arm across his lap was, in my opinion, physically daring (he was a "man," not a little boy!). This was not being protective of Michael, it was about "control." I think Karen knew how desperate Michael was for innocent affection and craved physical "hugging" and used that vulnerability to weave a little web around him. Most men with "normal egos" don't like clingy women - they like to do the chasing. But in Michael's case, we know he was innocent, emotionally starved and lacked self esteem. Perfect for Karen to do her little "feminine thing." But for what purpose? Maybe to put blinders on Michael so he would be oblivious to what she was up to. Don't know...but it's upsetting."
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    Respond to whatever your thoughts are. This person sent this through my FB private message. I know the person, so I know they are not a troll.

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  56. With all of these aliases and with all of the stalking, harassing, and whatnotall stemmed from Karen Faye and her principal puppets, one has to wonder as to whether or not they too are being observed by the Department of Justice??? I'm willing to bet they are. Are you?

    And speaking of Bandier: Give it up Marty...we KNOW what you did last summer (and for several summers before that-- Michael told us), and we aren't going anywhere, so tell your little pit bullies to go away or they too may just end up getting neutered, photoshopped photos and all. Maybe your pit bullies can "shop" some photos of that?

    Many have asked in here what Karen Faye's possible motive was in all of this. I'm sure much of it has to do with money. But, a few evenings back, I mentioned to Bonnie a "bad feeling" that I've had about Karen Faye for quite some time. In fact, it makes me actually physically ill just thinking about it. In the shorthand, let me just mention the movie, "Fatal Attraction" and Glenn Close's character of the obsessed mistress. You can take it all from there. Sorry, but yes...I truly do believe that Karen Faye had "obsession issues" regarding Michael. The only problem? Michael didn't reciprocate. He thought of her as his makeup artist, and a friend. Nothing more. BUT...from what I've been hearing, seeing, and now witnessing-- knowing that this woman felt the need to have "spies" and "secret groups" for heavens sake...She is one VERY "sick" woman.

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  57. SandyK - Try this link and work out from there, back and forth - http://www.gearslutz.com/board/bruce-swedien/84587-real-story-billie-jean.html

    I have seen the "We are the World" videos. Some of these "sessions" where Michael is working seemingly candidly are among my favorites. Still acts shy even though he's working in those videos.

    I USED TO be a vocalist. Michael's voice I once described as "athletic". He has quite a range and I love his vibrato! I can't compare it to anyone elses.

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  58. Jenn said - "Thoughts: This Neena Ananda,, another little Gollum who plays the game...Courtland Lauger.. former boyfriend of Karen Faye's sister. His association with Michael came...VIA.. Karen Faye. Does anyone remember back to the first two court appearances. Courland was asking for a $500 Donation to have your name appear on his very large banner he created.. M I C H A E L J A C K S O N...people were in disbelief.."


    So that is Courtland's story?

    You said - "I put Samantha De Gosson on the top of the rung. She has turned her goons on loving fans who simply don't believe her, but worse, she is responsible for adding stress to MJ's last months by the brand of Stalking Michael, Lying and this grand Hoax she has put in to place. The one below her on the rung is Karen Faye. Michael gave her the opportunity to be part of his 'Final Show'.. to re live the genius at work.. and she in turn has been nothing exploit him, sell him out (crypt photos.) and has shown NO regard for his beautiful children."


    This is what is most upsetting. I agree that Samantha has been chosen to be the "front woman" for this group, but I believe Karen is the one delegating the authority.

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  59. SandyK said - "I don't think they comprehend the very idea of it even today. It's especially appalling since these are women in and around their 30's!!! This is what teenage girls do, not adult women!!! The principle individual here, in her mid to late 30's, who doesn't appear to have a real job, seems to still be on a mission to "find" herself and has made her obsession with Michael her reason for existing. "


    If you look at it from the standpoint that they were PAID to follow Michael around, then the whole atmosphere of their "following" changes from something juvenile-obsessive to sinister-criminal. Anyone else could have gotten a protective order against these people. Michael being who HE is was not afforded that same consideration.

    I agree with you on the "decorum" in working with celebrities and that respect for their privacy, family and time should not be any different than anyone elses. Thank you Sandy.

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  60. Remember the fighting about Karen on Firpo Carr's page? I was sent an interesting blog where the thread was copied to, along with a note that Nicke Lodian sent to Firpo after she requested to be deleted. This is classic . . . Firpo is on top of things!


    http://thefirpoego.blogspot.com/

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  61. NEWS - NEWS - NEWS - NEWS -



    Time Friday, October 8 · 3:00pm - 5:00pm

    Location http://blogtalkradio/a-place-in-your-heart

    Created By - A Place in Your Heart

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    Sneddon attempted to frame Michael Jackson. He presented false evidence on more than one occasion. He had a vindetta against Michael...and even continued to try to frame him openly.... during the trial. Tom Sneddon should be indicted for false evidence. He should be serving time in prison

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  62. For those of you who take part in these:


    A Plan To Seek Justice For Michael Jackson We are trending #oprahrespectmj on saturday 8am PST please RT and tell you followers to join in, pls.

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  63. Lady - I agree with you that there is something definitely wrong. I am unwilling to call her "sick". There is just something else behind this because it is not just Karen, it is TINI and the followers and a full network of people working in different areas of the press, forums and MJ fan groups. THAT is sick. I will expose the lies but I do have a hard time personally attacking anyone on a personal level.

    I hate what they are DOING, I don't hate THEM.

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  64. @ Bonnie: "I hate what they are DOING, I don't hate THEM."

    I agree!!! We are both on the same page there.

    However, obsession in any sense of the word is an illness that in this case warrants a need for psychiatric help and perhaps medicinal intervention to keep such somewhat in check. I'm not saying that Karen Faye is "psycho"...but I am saying that from what I've seen of her in videos (especially the Bashir doc), she DOES literally "scream" obsessive/compulsive, control/power, and know-it-all issues when it comes to Michael, with all of the stroking, going on. I saw that MJ wasn't all too comfortable with that crap either. (Watch his eyes.) It was like he was thinking "Woman!...Go and pet the cat instead of me...PLEASE!!!"

    In many other vids, you can see him keeping a "safe distance" from her. Especially the 2003 homecoming vid in the limo! He's sitting as far as possible AWAY from her, by having the obnoxious dude spraying the cologne between them as a buffer! Good grief...did MJ's crotch stink or something??? I would've taken the bottle and sprayed it in the obnoxious dude's face! Geesh! (Sorry...that's just me! :P) Poor Mikey...he must have smelled worse than a French slut once he got out of that limo! I'm sure he was NOT happy about it either.

    Also in that video...did anyone outside of me notice how Karen was ahead of Michael, walking through his old house??? I thought that was rude considering it was Michael's house...not hers, but she's just walking around like she owned the place. You know? I mean no offense, but it is an observation.

    "There is just something else behind this because it is not just Karen, it is TINI and the followers and a full network of people working in different areas of the press, forums and MJ fan groups. THAT is sick."

    This is another area of complete agreement. But, it goes along the lines of an ages old strategy: "divide and conquer." Unfortunately, the more that Karen, TINI, Sammy, Taaj, the antics of the group JUSTICE4MJ all scream "FOUL!" with their dramatics and childishness-- the more people there are that they ultimately cause to investigate them and drive away too. Sadly, they're all so dumb, they haven't quite realized that, and it's doubtful that they ever will. They enjoy the drama far too much.

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  65. @ Bonnie.

    I just realized....there is no Sept. 31st!

    This day does not exist!!

    There are only 30 Days in September, Bonnie!

    You might want to correct this....or not.

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  66. @Lady - the guy between Karen and Michael was his cousin, Levon (is that his name?); Michael was close to his cousins; the sons of his uncle Laurence; I didn't notice Karen in front of Michael at 2300 Jackson St., maybe perhaps he let the lady go in first, who knows. I wondered why she was even on this trip back home with him ....

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  67. @Bonnie,

    "If you look at it from the standpoint that they were PAID to follow Michael around, then the whole atmosphere of their "following" changes from something juvenile-obsessive to sinister-criminal. Anyone else could have gotten a protective order against these people. Michael being who HE is was not afforded that same consideration."

    Yes, good point and infact you have mentioned that possibility in the past and in my comment I neglected that important detail. That takes it to a different level. They would then be professional, paid stalkers. A VERY dis-honorable way to make a living. Shameful if true. If they really care about justice for Michael, they should come out and confess to their real agenda. Nothing is worth what happened June 25, 2009. Again, if the allegation is true.

    I very much agree with you when you said:

    "I hate what they are DOING, I don't hate THEM."-Bonnie

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  68. @Lady,

    ""Woman!...Go and pet the cat instead of me...PLEASE!!!""-Lady

    O.K., I'm off the floor now and my sides are still hurting. LOL!!!

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  69. @Lady

    YOU NAILED IT LADY!!!! About Karen Faye!!!

    Yes! I agree 100% with you!

    ________________________________________________
    Lady said:

    Many have asked in here what Karen Faye's possible motive was in all of this. I'm sure much of it has to do with money. But, a few evenings back, I mentioned to Bonnie a "bad feeling" that I've had about Karen Faye for quite some time. In fact, it makes me actually physically ill just thinking about it. In the shorthand, let me just mention the movie, "Fatal Attraction" and Glenn Close's character of the obsessed mistress. You can take it all from there. Sorry, but yes...I truly do believe that Karen Faye had "obsession issues" regarding Michael. The only problem? Michael didn't reciprocate. He thought of her as his makeup artist, and a friend. Nothing more. BUT...from what I've been hearing, seeing, and now witnessing-- knowing that this woman felt the need to have "spies" and "secret groups" for heavens sake...She is one VERY "sick" woman.

    ________________________________________________
    She wanted to OWN Michael. Not Mother him.

    Lady, your analogy of Fatal Attraction
    is Spot-On!

    Thank You Lady, so much for your input!

    And the spies she has lurking around proves she

    (Karen Faye) is indeed a Sick Woman!

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  70. @Lady,

    Yes, the perfume incident in the limo ride to Gary is obnoxious but Michael is also spraying himself...in the chest that is...not elsewhere that I can remember. I agree that the blonde guy was very annoying and spraying him everywhere. Good grief!

    As for the seating arrangment in the limo; Michael, his personal assistant (I'm assuming), Karen and boy who won dance contest (I'm also assuming), is an arrangement that would make sense. There was also a cameraman (obviously) and a person named Levon (sp.?) who was identified as Michael's cousin. Levon seemed to be sitting the furthest away from Michael.

    Another thought on the perfume but at a different time and place. The dancers hired for TII often said in very positive and admiring terms that they usually could smell Michael before they could see him. In fact, they thought the perfume he wore smelled great! Michael was very fond of perfume and lots of it! I get the feeling that he had an aversion to smelling less then fresh, even slightly, when in public. Extremely trivial, I know, but just a thought.

    Yes, I agree with you Lady, too many enjoy the drama too much, and as a result, their extended 15 minutes of "fame."

    I also have to agree with Bonnie's anonymous private messager concerning some aspects of Karen's behaviour around Michael. With all due respect, her physical contact with Michael in Bashir's aweful video did come across as somewhat daring and innappropriate at times. (It made me uncomforable in a way it wouldn't have if it were Lisa Marie, for example.) It does imply a territorial thing and is awkward when it happens between two people who clearly are not a couple. It DOESN'T make her a bad person but it does create a personal space issue. As problematic as it is, I'm not going to condemn her for it.

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  71. Lisa said - "I saw that MJ wasn't all too comfortable with that crap either. (Watch his eyes.) It was like he was thinking "Woman!...Go and pet the cat instead of me...PLEASE!!!"



    I did see his eyes in that video and read it as he was just wounded over the issue of the rumors they were talking about. Go pet the cat, ROFL!!!



    Lisa said - "Also in that video...did anyone outside of me notice how Karen was ahead of Michael, walking through his old house??? I thought that was rude considering it was Michael's house...not hers"



    I did notice that. It's a small house though and there were lots of people in there. I also noticed how people had to sidestep and maneuver for people to move into and out of rooms. I've lived in homes that small and we had three of us and our uncle and his family staying with us until they were shipped to Germany (Army) for almost a year. That was nuts!

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  72. Lady said:


    This is another area of complete agreement. But, it goes along the lines of an ages old strategy: "divide and conquer." Unfortunately, the more that Karen, TINI, Sammy, Taaj, the antics of the group JUSTICE4MJ all scream "FOUL!" with their dramatics and childishness-- the more people there are that they ultimately cause to investigate them and drive away too. Sadly, they're all so dumb, they haven't quite realized that, and it's doubtful that they ever will.

    They enjoy the drama far too much.

    __________________________

    Josie says:

    And the fact that they enjoy the drama far too much.....proves THEY are SICK!

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  73. @Bonnie,

    Read the Bruce Swedien article on his work on "Billie Jean." Great article!! Still need to figure out how to navigate through that web site to find posts on Michael in the studio...:-)

    Good stuff!!

    Thanks!!!....:-)

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  74. Micheal's 2003 trip to Gary video -

    I was told and it may have been posted on a previous blog (the last one?) that the people in the car were Karen, Michael, that "fan" who won the dance contest (didn't hear his name) Levon who did the typewriter and his other cousin, Elijah, I believe is the one spraying the perfume . . . same people who pushed him in the pool at Neverland. So obviously they never really outgrew the urge to try and drown him in some form of liquid, LOL!

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  75. Bahrain Financiers -


    Michael Jackson’s estate was sued for $1.2 million by a Bahrain financial adviser that claims it helped the singer obtain $320 million in loans in 2005.

    AQ Consulting was hired by Jackson to help refinance $300 million Jackson owed to Fortress Investment Group, AQ claimed yesterday in a complaint in federal court in New York.

    AQ said it secured a commitment from Citigroup to refinance the debt. Fortress, which had a right of last offer with Jackson, then agreed to refinance the loans itself. AQ got Jackson an additional $20 million in loans, it claimed.

    According to AQ, Jackson agreed to pay the firm 1 percent of the total refinancing, or $3.2 million. He paid $2 million at the time of closing and agreed to pay the rest from future earnings, the financial adviser said.

    Jackson died in 2009 at 50, leaving about $500 million in debt. Since his death, the estate, the owner of interests in songs by the Beatles and other artists, has generated more than $250 million.

    John Branca, one of the executors of Jackson’s estate, didn’t immediately return a voice mail message seeking comment on the suit.

    The case is AQ Consulting WLL v Branca, 1:10-cv-7496, US District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).



    This is interesting - four years after the occurrence. Just now filing? Wonder why?

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  76. Oops . . link

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-10-01/michael-jackson-s-estate-sued-by-bahrain-loan-adviser.html

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  77. Elijah, a cousin, O.K. He seemed to be shadowing Michael in a way that implied a paid employee. Looks like I was mistaken...:-)

    I've seen the vid of Michael getting pushed in the pool. (If I'm remembering the correct one.) Michael was clearly having a good time with it. Enjoyable video!

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  78. "The case is AQ Consulting WLL v. Branca"

    Why is it not AQ Consulting WLL v. Michael Jackson Estate? That seems odd to me, looks like it is against Branca personally.

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  79. @ Bonnie: I said (and I am happy that a lot of you got a good giggle out of my analogy of this scenario too, btw. Sorry Sandy. Are your ribs feeling better now? LOL!) "I saw that MJ wasn't all too comfortable with that crap either. (Watch his eyes.) It was like he was thinking "Woman!...Go and pet the cat instead of me...PLEASE!!!"

    To which Bonnie responded: "I did see his eyes in that video and read it as he was just wounded over the issue of the rumors they were talking about."

    Yes. You're right, but when you watch his eyes, he glances downward at her a bit, and it's like...well..."Woman!...Go and pet the cat instead of me...PLEASE!!!", I'm sorry but that look of his...there's just no other way for me to explain it! LOL!

    And Bonnie said: "It's a small house though and there were lots of people in there. I also noticed how people had to sidestep and maneuver for people to move into and out of rooms."

    Yes, but if you notice carefully, watch Karen. She's acting like a tour guide or a realtor for Pete's sake!!! I'm sorry but I think that should have been MJ's job. Not hers!!! But again please...that's just my sense of manners. It's not meant to be insulting. It's only meant to be an observation. And yes...2300 Jackson St. is a VERY small house indeed! I've been there, although many years ago. Just HOW they all managed to live under one roof with a family as large as theirs is beyond my scope of imagination. Yow...

    Now as for the Fortress vs. Estate suit...

    I can only hope that there's some sort of positive motive in their filing of this. I'm sure that Branca is far from happy about it, but oh well. That's what happens when MJ became the "billion dollar man", and worse...he's wanted alive or dead! So go figure. Maybe the Estate will stop bragging about the money they've made off a man they tried to ruin enough to actually PAY the debts instead of trying so hard to look good by Branca trying to play "the good guy." Or...is that just "wishful thinking"?

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  80. Question:

    Did Dr. Tohme Tohme sell Michael into "slavery" with the opressive contract that he negotiated with AEG?

    This is the part that bugs me most about this guy. He's an experienced businessman but not a lawyer, he's an admitted novice in the music industry, and he's an unpaid advisor to Michael. Why would such a man be negotiating a contract for a major concert series for someone of Michael's stature? Technically it appears Michael didn't have appropriate legal representation when this contract was agreed too. (Certainly Tohme's lawyer, Mr. Hawk would not be suitable.) Maybe I'm wrong, but the red flags seem to be waving all over the place! Don't you think??

    Interesting although not surprising recent development from Tohme.

    "Former Jackson manager seeks financial records"
    Published: Tuesday, 28 Sep 2010 | 10:49 PM ET

    Tohme has recently filed a claim against the estate for 15% of the revenue from the "This Is It" movie, DVD and album sales. Gross profits from the movie are estimated at $260 million! He has also made an additional claim for at least $2.3 million which probably represents around 10% of the Neverland deal.

    Source:
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/39411204

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  81. @ SandyK: "The dancers hired for TII often said in very positive and admiring terms that they usually could smell Michael before they could see him. In fact, they thought the perfume he wore smelled great! Michael was very fond of perfume and lots of it! I get the feeling that he had an aversion to smelling less then fresh, even slightly, when in public."

    That is understandable considering he would be dancing, and standing under hot lights for rehearsal. The LAST thing he'd want to do is stink! LOL!

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  82. If I may, try to summerize all this.

    AEG films MJ at rehearsals for TII Concert

    Sony murders MJ

    Sony buys rights to TII Concert Rehearsal footage

    Sony puts up TINI site that blames AEG

    Sony rakes in all the money while AEG takes the fall for MJ death.

    Am I close or am I off?

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  83. Could it be possible that maybe Karen Faye is a Victim in all this.

    I'm just thinking outloud here, but maybe Sony made an offer Karen could not refuse.

    If she doesn't work with Sony to get Sony off the hook for murdering MJ, than Sony will make it look like Karen Faye committed Suicide.

    (If you catch my drift.)

    All comments are welcome.

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  84. @ Josie: You're very welcome for my "two cents." I'm just a rather observant person, and I tend to go on instinct. I wish my instinct about KF said better, but it simply doesn't. I don't trust her, and there's just something about her that I just don't like. She simply says "fake" to me. :( As for the photo of Sammy and the gang, well that one just absolutely creeps me out!!! What a motley crew they are! Yikes!!!

    Oh, one more thing... I think a few of you in here have made reference to my astrological thinking outside the box when it comes to Michael. Well, I've written a new article: "Sony and Michael Jackson". You can find it here: http://ladyaquarius62.blogspot.com/2010/10/new-article-sony-and-michael-jackson.html

    Enjoy!

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  85. Bonnie – I was away all day and when I got back I saw your news comments. Is the time Eastern of Pacific?
    Time Friday, October 8 • 3:00pm - 5:00pm

    Location http://blogtalkradio/a-place-in-your-heart

    Created By - A Place in Your Heart

    Also is this about joining conversation on twitter that day? I am not too sure.

    A Plan To Seek Justice For Michael Jackson We are trending #oprahrespectmj on saturday 8am PST please RT and tell you followers to join in, pls.

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  86. Here is something I found written by Christopher Hamilton in 2006.


    Very Interesting. It's a long read but worth the time.


    It's called: "Is It Because He's Black?"


    Here is the link:

    http://www.mjfriendship.de/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=161&Itemid=55

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  87. Bonnie, I have to say that some of the comments here are amazing and enlightening. I still do not know what to make of KF's cult. Best case scenario is they are a bunch of narcisstic sickos and worse case scenario is they could well be paid by an entity as you suggest. Either way, it's sinister stuff.

    I agree with your annonymous poster about KF. In TII I thought that Kenny Ortega was patronising Michael way too much but this was kid's stuff compared to the way that KF was "handling" Michael in the private Bashir doco. Michael was a highly intelligent man and I can't believe that this sort of sycophany wouldn't have nauseated him. She didn't work for Michael much from the end of the History tour anyway. Really her regular MJ gigs ended when Pepsi pulled the plug on sponsoring Michael's concerts after the Chandler extortion racket. In 2005 Michael ended his relationship with pretty much most of his staff except his domestic/security staff who went with him overseas. Evvie Tavasci tried to keep Michael's company running from her own home for Michael and she didn't get paid for it. Now that is love. However, this lady who was Michael's assistant for many years has remained one hundred per cent rock solid loyal and silent. Compare the two personalities and compare their behaviour and see where their loyalties lie.

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  88. **Conclusion** There are a few things I would like to write and this will be my last contribution regarding this or any posted subject that speculates 'Who did what to whom? and When they did it? Why they did it? How they did it? Who are ALL the cast of Characters? and Supporting Characters? Who Funds the Groups (well, that is actually easy, hard working fans continue to contribute because they are can't see beyond the mask on the faces of those who are winning in the $$$ department by dissing those who appear to not be afraid to speak up, and those who are perceptive enough to see through this amazing compilation of crap.. I am just a working person who has been lucky to recieve a wonderful education and lust for learning.. I don't believe most things on face value, seek the truth, set out to find answers to best that I feel are more honest than others and make my own independent decisions..Since Michael'tragic and unexpected death people have come together on Facebook who never would have made such an acquaintance. Some relationships have appeared to be good and light hearted, others flared off into private groups, secret pacts, I am not meaning 'cults' but certainly cultlike. It has become a War of words, instead of Seeking Justice for the one who brought all together. This Bonnie is unfortunate. I have not agreed with All of your opinions and Blogs. Some frustrated me. But, I don't see you attacking those who don't agree with personal accusations, the venom, the hate, and sending an army out to tear them down by starting a self promoting Fan Club. What is most Ironic is that those out there who are doing these cyberstaling and cyberhating acts know who they are and since they use fake names and hide behind numerous photos of Michael jackson they are nothing but .. Nothings.. made up in their own sorry ass existene because they can't be who they really are.. They are Followers without the strength to be Leaders. They call themselves MJ Fans..are they really?? I see these little bitty followers as ants climbing a hill to join the bigger ants who are using them and as Henry David thoreau said.. 'They can't see the Forest through the Trees.. written in his fine piece.. So, I am checking out of this unwanted pile of Hate, and leaving those Loosers to continue using perjorative language, Hate Spreading, and Pretend Names and No real goals or lives to enjoy what they have created.. They have found a place in something that doesn't really exist and a voice that is heard only among the most ignorant as themselves..

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  89. Hi Bonnie,
    Wow alot of info in this blog and the comments. I will say this again as I have said in my comments before; This confusion is intentional. The left does not know what the right is doing. It is all a part of a bigger plan.....

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  90. Bonnie ~

    I'm trying to figure this out, what is behind this that has affected you this way?:

    "Now for the shocker of my life. My heart is in my throat Remember this guy? I posted on him last night. This is just to reiterate:
    Dorian Holley"

    Facts (also referring to your Colony, Xanadu, Dr. Tohme post):
    Casablanca Records is a joint venture between Universal Music Group and Tommy Mottola.

    Lindsay Lohan (2004–2006) (Moved To Motown Records)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casablanca_Records

    From your wiki links:
    Both Snoop Dog and Tupak were signed with Death Row Records.

    "He (Tupak) mentioned Makaveli Records a few times before his death. This was supposed to be a music label for up and coming artists that Shakur had an interest in developing or potentially signing, and his own future projects would have also been published through it as well."
    ......................
    Death Row Records:

    "...together the two formed a partnership (initially funded in part by Sony and Solar Records), which eventually became Death Row."
    http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/history2/60/Death-Row-Records.html

    Death Row Records auctioned off
    Global Music buys label for $24 million

    "...it purchased Death Row, including its enviable back catalog and current artist contracts."

    "Other assets are believed to include unreleased material from Shakur that could result in another posthumous release from the rapper."
    http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117988957.html?categoryid=16&cs=1

    Global Music ONLY bidder (conflicting or fact?):
    http://www.blastro.com/news/death-row-records-finally-purchased-by-global-music-group.html/

    Neither sale (Warner & Global) went through:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Row_Records#WIDEAwake_ownership

    "Global Music Group "destroyed" the Death Row legacy and has turned it into "a joke," label co-founder Lydia Harris tells Billboard."
    (How could that be if they never owned it?)
    http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i4d62455821370cfb5f5ef37bda5788c7

    Then there's this from June 2009, which sounds like the sale DID go through:
    The label (Global Music Group) which operates several lines of business as divisions became known in June 2008, when its New York arm, submitted the winning bid, an offer of $24 million dollars, to acquire the Assets of Death Row Records. However, in December 2008, the label announced that it was seeking a buyer for Death Row, with the assets being auctioned again, for $18 million to a Canadian firm. Ron Bush, representative of Global Music Group New York, said today, “We are taking care of other details right now. We aren’t involved in Death Row Records now.”
    (Obviously because it was sold again in January 2009)
    "Global Music Group is distributed by Fontana/Universal."
    http://musicindustryreport.org/?p=8854

    Why so much smoke and so many conflicting stories about this catalog?

    cont...

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  91. cont...

    "Global Music Group is a United States based record label, distributed by Universal Music Group."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Music_Group

    Then there's Universal Music & Sony Music in partnership:
    http://press.sonymusic.com/2009/10/19/vevo-partners-with-abu-dhabi-media-company/

    Is there a distinct line between these companies...are they REALLY rivals? CEOs jump from one to the next, makes you wonder!

    TUPAK'S Last album recorded, released after his death - The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory:

    "There are frequent allusions to the number seven throughout the release."
    "It was crazy at Death Row at the time. You had Snoop, Daz, and all of them on one side of the studio and you had us on the other side. At this point in the game there was a lot of bad tension going on."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Don_Killuminati:_The_7_Day_Theory

    Tupak definately spoke out in his lyrics against the establishment, prejudice and the problem of blacks vs. blacks. He sure got to the point in confronting the problems.

    As with Kurt Cobain, I think further digging on Tupak would be helpful in getting to the root of all this.

    Anyway Bonnie, this was my today's journey, the path of links followed from your Wiki on Tupak. Is it off-subject or pointing to the same issues Michael faced? Was Tupak also worth more dead than alive or was it about his exposing the establishment and social injustice? Kurt Cobain too. There's a lot of suspicion behind all 3 murders. All 3 of these guys were doing the same thing in different genres. Imagine the audience...the potential global impact!

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  92. Truthbtold said - ""The case is AQ Consulting WLL v. Branca"

    Why is it not AQ Consulting WLL v. Michael Jackson Estate? That seems odd to me, looks like it is against Branca personally. "


    That is a very interesting question. Definitely something to look into. Also noticed that Lawsuit in NY Fed. Court?

    Uh-oh?

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  94. @ Josie: "Could it be possible that maybe Karen Faye is a Victim in all this.

    I'm just thinking outloud here, but maybe Sony made an offer Karen could not refuse.

    If she doesn't work with Sony to get Sony off the hook for murdering MJ, than Sony will make it look like Karen Faye committed Suicide.

    (If you catch my drift.)"

    Karen Faye has been in a bit of "hot water" before now. MJ had fired her, because of something or other to do with a website that she managed on his behalf-- anotherwords, it was more than simple "budget cutting" on MJ's part in 2005. Bonnie is better at the details of that than I. However, Karen Faye also had issues with LMP not liking her and supposedly she and MJ would argue frequently about Karen, and I've read and heard about that. YET, in all fairness...both Karen and LMP went to a psychic TOGETHER for a channeling/seance of Michael allegedly. (Good grief...rolling my eyes here...) In any case, my point is that if LMP couldn't stand Karen, just what in Lalaland were they doing TOGETHER at a psychic? So, there's room for doubt about the LMP - Karen Faye "hate" issues being entirely truthful, I would logically think anyway.

    Also in answer to your question of Karen possibly being a "victim in all of this too"-- My answer is NO!!! She's a main character in the whole ordeal. See why below, but in short...For Karen to have TRULY been as close to Michael as she claims, then WHY didn't SHE take him to a hospital KNOWING that Ortega, AEG, and whatnot were NOT doing ANYTHING to help Michael??? That's the MILLION-DOLLAR QUESTION, isn't it??? I'm sorry...she's just as guilty as those she's pointing fingers at. Bottom line.

    ****************

    Another case and point in all of this...

    As for Sony...I don't give a hoot whom they try to buy off, or whatnotall. They're in this whole nightmare up to their eyeballs and beyond! Worse, everyone on the planet (at least those with brains and ability to see it for what it's all worth) KNOWS that Martin Bandier is the true "puppet master" in all things regarding MJ's misfortunes and most likely even his death. How can/do I say this? THINK about it!!! Here...I'll lay it out in simple layman's terms...

    1.) Michael signs on with AEG for TII, with Kenny Ortega teaming up w/MJ as his choreographer.

    2.) Shortly thereafter, there's the shell game of who is managing Michael? Is it Rowe? Is it DiLeo? You get the picture...

    3.) Karen Faye gets REHIRED through AEG to be Michael's makeup artist.

    4.) A few weeks before Michael's death, guess who else returns to the scene? John Branca.

    So...now, remember back to the Sony days, here were the main players around Michael: DiLeo, Faye, Ortega, Branca.

    Who were the main cast of characters in Michael's last days? DiLeo, Faye, Ortega, Branca

    COINCIDENCE??? Sorry, but I don't believe in coincidence. I don't know about you though.

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  95. @ Bonnie: "Scary Business Opp - From the Stansbury Research Newsletter:

    "COLLECT HUGE ROYALTIES FROM SONGS PLAYED ON THE RADIO"

    (And die trying to keep those songs rights...)"

    No thanks...I'll pass. They killed our Michael for his. :(

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  96. Truthbtold said - ""The case is AQ Consulting WLL v. Branca"

    Why is it not AQ Consulting WLL v. Michael Jackson Estate? That seems odd to me, looks like it is against Branca personally. "


    Bonnie said - That is a very interesting question. Definitely something to look into. Also noticed that Lawsuit in NY Fed. Court?

    Uh-oh?

    Answer : both are normal.

    About v. Branca: they aren't suing Branca personally , they are naming him as he's the administrator of the estate.

    for example see the below AllGood Entertaintment lawsuit documents, you can see that it says
    "JOHN BRANCA and JOHN MCCLAIN, Special : Administrators of the Estate of Michael Jackson" as defendants.

    http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/07/02/Michael%20Jackson%20AllGood%20opinion.pdf

    so basically in order to sue the estate you need to name Branca as a defendant.

    About NY Federal court: As one of the parties involved in this lawsuit is international (Bahrain based consulting firm) by diversity jurisdiction the case falls under a federal jurisdiction.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity_jurisdiction

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  97. To clarify a point for everyone: "1.) Michael signs on with AEG for TII, with Kenny Ortega teaming up w/MJ as his choreographer.

    2.) Shortly thereafter, there's the shell game of who is managing Michael? Is it Rowe? Is it DiLeo? You get the picture...

    3.) Karen Faye gets REHIRED through AEG to be Michael's makeup artist.

    4.) A few weeks before Michael's death, guess who else returns to the scene? John Branca.

    So...now, remember back to the Sony days, here were the main players around Michael: DiLeo, Faye, Ortega, Branca.

    Who were the main cast of characters in Michael's last days? DiLeo, Faye, Ortega, Branca

    COINCIDENCE??? Sorry, but I don't believe in coincidence. I don't know about you though."

    ****Note the same cast of characters? Notice how SONY managed to infiltrate AEG's "camp." And, one last point, who's been ALWAYS lurking the shadows in all of this, beginning with his loss of the ATV to MJ in 1985, to his SonyBMG days to his being CEO of the Sony/ATV Catalog? Drum roll...please!!! None other than Martin Bandier. The cymbals may now clash together.

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  98. Bonnie – is this for real? “Did you know that there's a little-known opportunity in the music business that allows you to own the rights to royalties from a catalog of over 25,000 copyrighted songs?” So it’s not only the musicians who create the music but the general public can purchase the rights to royalties from their catalog can make money. Do the musicians know about this or it’s done without their knowledge?

    Do you think this is one of the music industry’s schema they use to exploit the musicians? I am really wondering if this is done behind their back.

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  99. SandyK said - "Did Dr. Tohme Tohme sell Michael into "slavery" with the opressive contract that he negotiated with AEG?"

    No. We are still assuming that the contract that has been leaked online is the actual contract between Michael and AEG. After what I have seen online with photos and such? How am I supposed to believe that any of the documents leaked are in fact now legit?

    You said: "Why would such a man be negotiating a contract for a major concert series for someone of Michael's stature? "

    Because he WASN'T an industry insider. Look at all Michael had that surrounded him that were! Every one of them Sony watchdogs. Tohme wasn't an industry insider and neither was Colony, who Tohme was working for.

    Remember what Tohme said . . . "I built a wall around Michael" . . . and he did. When I see how hard Sony and Branca sympathizers are out there with there world-wide public campaign to smear AEG, and AEG doesn't even go on the counter attack. They just sit there and take it. They are the only ones who weren't decades long "insiders" in that industry.

    Nobody from AEG has said the things about Michael that people revolving around Sony have said about Michael. Even Karen has been more derrogatory toward Michael than anyone working in TII has been (cept her).

    The lawsuit that Tohme filed . . . GOOD FOR HIM! The lawsuit filed against Branca by AQ . . . GOOD FOR THEM!

    You will see why.

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  100. MissShea said - "Wow alot of info in this blog and the comments. I will say this again as I have said in my comments before; This confusion is intentional. The left does not know what the right is doing. It is all a part of a bigger plan..... "

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  101. Oops Miss Shea I meant to answer that post. Yes the confusion is international. TINI is international, so that explains that. Sony and their network is international . . . The confusion is intentional . . . by design.

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  102. Josie - you said "If I may, try to summerize all this.

    AEG films MJ at rehearsals for TII Concert

    Sony murders MJ

    Sony buys rights to TII Concert Rehearsal footage

    Sony puts up TINI site that blames AEG

    Sony rakes in all the money while AEG takes the fall for MJ death.

    Am I close or am I off? "




    The Framework is close . . . just a lot of detail in between that we still have to work on.

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  103. Josie said - "If she doesn't work with Sony to get Sony off the hook for murdering MJ, than Sony will make it look like Karen Faye committed Suicide."


    I HOPE NOT!!!! No, I think if anything happens to anyone in that group, people will definitely be suspicious.

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  104. Mimi - "Bonnie – I was away all day and when I got back I saw your news comments. Is the time Eastern of Pacific?
    Time Friday, October 8 • 3:00pm - 5:00pm"



    I'm not sure. It should tell you on the web page. I didn't catch that either. Now I have to go and look.

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  105. Karin said - "Kenny Ortega was patronising Michael way too much but this was kid's stuff compared to the way that KF was "handling" Michael in the private Bashir doco. Michael was a highly intelligent man and I can't believe that this sort of sycophany wouldn't have nauseated him. She didn't work for Michael much from the end of the History tour anyway. Really her regular MJ gigs ended when Pepsi pulled the plug on sponsoring Michael's concerts after the Chandler extortion racket. "

    Kenny Ortega also had some good scenes in there with Michael where they were joking and "whoo-hooing" and when I go back now and watch TII, I almost sense a "tongue in cheek" sarcasm with Kenny and Michael over that ear piece incident. I would not every assume that everyone got along with Michael all the time during the creative process. LOL, and judging by Kenny's tone, he sounded a bit frustrated with him. We do NOT KNOW what happened right before that part of the clip started. Michael's "hands on his hips" gesture

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  106. Bonnie stated: "We are still assuming that the contract that has been leaked online is the actual contract between Michael and AEG. After what I have seen online with photos and such? How am I supposed to believe that any of the documents leaked are in fact now legit?"

    This is a wonderful and very good case and point, equal to my point made about Karen Faye earlier which answers WHY she obviously felt/had a need for spies and secret groups. Pardon me for a moment here, but if she was truly such a good, caring, and close friend of Michael's-- why SHE failed to take him to a hospital and get checked out if he was so obviously ill and whatnotall crap she's trying to sell people on-- I'm sorry, but if I were in her shoes? I don't care...even if I had to literally get MJ's bodyguards in on the deal, he would've been put in my car and driven to a hospital. Karen has NO EXCUSE, if she is/was what she claims. NONE!

    The TINI (Ganesha Om) gang are obviously her favorite and perhaps most trusted pitbulls in all of this. Karen HAS to stick up for these gals!!! She KNOWS who's writing their paychecks ($ONY) and why. Take a VERY good look at Bonnie's picture posted: http://www.michaeljacksonjustice.com/Karen_Faye_Cult.htm

    The TV's $ONY label in the background is worth a thousand words, isn't it? Then, there's the whole TINI website being rather pricey, and all that jazz associated with it. Hmm...just a little something there to give me cause to scratch my head and create some curiosity and even hesitancy rather than a blind following of those people, and it SHOULD cause the same reaction in others, I think.

    Lastly, the matter of the "leaked documents" to which Bonnie refers...

    I agree!!! It's likely that $ONY paid off some "trolls" which had in turn had assisted them in "leaking" the documents somehow, some way. I wouldn't trust a single one of them being legitimate. It's clear that $ONY is setting up AEG, and they have since the inception of the entire TII deal. This was all very carefully timed, planned, and executed. Worse, it was in the making for several years, dating back to at least 1993, although it could date way back to 1987 when $ONY bought out CBS Records (which included Michael's label, Epic).

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  107. Ugh! My brother called, sorry Karin - Cont....

    Michael's "hands on his hips" gesture almost seemed give me the impression that Michael was "tolerating" Kenny's little sarcastic expressions. I wish I had seen what happened right before they started that number. Could have been entertaining.

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  108. Bonnie also said: "Kenny Ortega also had some good scenes in there with Michael where they were joking and "whoo-hooing" and when I go back now and watch TII, I almost sense a "tongue in cheek" sarcasm with Kenny and Michael over that ear piece incident. I would not ever assume that everyone got along with Michael all the time during the creative process. LOL, and judging by Kenny's tone, he sounded a bit frustrated with him. We do NOT KNOW what happened right before that part of the clip started. Michael's "hands on his hips" gesture."

    Now hey wait a minute!!! I thought that was cute. :P Poor Mikey had a look on his face that was saying, "Daggone it!!!...Aaargh! This isn't music...this is freakin' noise and it's making my ears bleed! How dare you mess with my music! I'm all about L-O-V-E not acid rain for Pete's sake." Yes, this is meant to be a sarcastic observation. But yes...MJ COULD be sarcastic too so, it fits that moment. In any case, I felt that Kenny was a bit of an ignoramus too, and I saw MJ's frustration with that as well.

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  109. @Lady,

    "For Karen to have TRULY been as close to Michael as she claims, then WHY didn't SHE take him to a hospital KNOWING that Ortega, AEG, and whatnot were NOT doing ANYTHING to help Michael???"-Lady

    Michael is a strong willed adult, as one would expect. He's had a lifetime of being told what to do. Even if Karen did suggest such a thing to him, I feel very confident that he would say "no." It would be impossible to take him to a hospital against his will. Also, he was using unusual means inorder to sleep. I do believe that Murray had been giving him Propofol every night for almost 6 weeks. I'm VERY confident that he would NOT want just any doctor in any hospital discovering that. Even more of a reason for him to avoid going to a hospital.

    You probably recall the bridge accident he had in Germany just over 10 years ago. He completed the song after the accident. Between songs it was strongly suggested to him to end the concert and go to the hospital. He said he had to finish the concert. He had to fulfill his commitment to the fans. After the concert was over, he collapsed in his dressing room and was then rushed to a hospital with injuries that included a strained back. With all due respect Lady, I don't think Michael would have gone to a hospital unless he was truly incoherent and unable stand up on his own. It doesn't appear that he was ever THAT bad during rehearsals.

    "So, there's room for doubt about the LMP - Karen Faye "hate" issues being entirely truthful, I would logically think anyway."-Lady

    I'm 100% confident that there are no "hate" issues between them. I can say this because they have recently exchanged freindly tweets with one another and have discussed an interview that LMP recently did with Oprah Winfrey that hasn't aired yet. (I'm looking forward to seeing it, primarily for LMP, NOT Oprah.) What ever issues they had occurred a LONG time ago now. They are both in different places in their lives now, especially LMP.

    I'm not going to make myself very popular, but I need to say this. The more I see Karen get accused of all sorts of evil things the more I want to defend her. This is on principle. I'm not a fan and I don't agree with everything she has ever done or said. She has made mistakes. I 100% believe she would acknowledge that. (Yes, and I do think she should apologize to Bonnie for the request she made of her. I'd be dissappointed but I won't "stone" her if she doesn't.) The more I see what's happening with her, the more it resembles what happened to Michael. They are VERY different people that is true, and I acknowledge that Michael is a more sympathetic individual, but both have had their relationships with others misrepresented and distorted. Both have had things that they have said blown out of proportion.

    I feel very strongly that Karen is being demonized unjustly. She is not an evil person and to repeatedly condemn her in affect demonizes her. This is what happened to Michael. He was demonized in the press by the constant repetition of false information over many years. No matter what Michael said to the contrary, people wouldn't believe him. Can you imagine what a nightmare that was to live through?? This shouldn't happen to anyone. Not even Karen.

    None of us have any idea what Karen's relationship with the infamous fan followers really is. I don't believe she is organizing them in any way or somehow working for Sony or somehow contributed to Michael's passing. The last item I had a hard time even typing but it has been hinted at (although NOT by Bonnie) and such a suggestion is absolutely unconsionable.

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  110. (Continued)
    Please, please, please forgive me Lady, Bonnie, and everyone, for going on so long about this. I need to say this because it is important, not because of being any kind of fan of Karen's. I do believe it matters in principle. I wish my writing skills were better, I wish I was smarter in defending my case but I'm not. I'm doing the best I can with out offending anyone.

    Bonnie, you in fact have encouraged people to not use belittling language and I commend you for that. BRAVO! Many have kept doing it anyway. I've tried to limit making harsh comments about anyone unless there is unrefutable evidence of a person's actions. I've been harsh on the fan followers concerning their lack of respect for Michael's space. This is cearly a fact, not speculation. What ever their other affiliations are is still being debated and not entirely clear. The only other person I've really dropped the hammer on is Martin Bashir since he was clearly shown in open court to be a fraud. The damage he did to Michael was an undesputed fact. No question about it. I've questioned Dr. Tohme's roll but I've also left space on that issue because there is still too much we don't know. In fact, Bonnie has also encouraged being careful before accusations are made. Well done Bonnie!!

    Again, forgive me for labouring this point and I hope no one is offended.

    Peace and love to all.

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  111. @Lady,

    "I don't care...even if I had to literally get MJ's bodyguards in on the deal, he would've been put in my car and driven to a hospital. Karen has NO EXCUSE, if she is/was what she claims. NONE!"

    I love ya' Lady but there is no way Karen could have done this. The bodyguards would take orders from Michael only, not Karen. Ortega and Phillips would have been the only ones that could have made this happen.

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  112. My own words: "This is a wonderful and very good case and point, equal to my point made about Karen Faye earlier which answers WHY she obviously felt/had a need for spies and secret groups. Pardon me for a moment here, but if she was truly such a good, caring, and close friend of Michael's-- why SHE failed to take him to a hospital and get checked out if he was so obviously ill and whatnotall crap she's trying to sell people on-- I'm sorry, but if I were in her shoes? I don't care...even if I had to literally get MJ's bodyguards in on the deal, he would've been put in my car and driven to a hospital. Karen has NO EXCUSE, if she is/was what she claims. NONE!"

    Now adding a puzzling question and thought to this...

    What IF the reason why Karen didn't take Michael to a hospital was because he REALLY was NOT in as "bad shape" as many on "Team $ony", INCLUDING Karen and the "Ganesha Om/TINI" gals would like for us to believe?

    Let's take a VERY close look at this, shall we by looking at the observations that contradict theirs...

    http://michaeljacksonben.com/3954/michael-jackson-michael-jackson-this-is-it-2.html

    http://www.sawfnews.com/Entertainment/63069.aspx

    http://michaeljacksonlastwill.com/michael-jackson-history/michael-jackson-this-is-it/

    and then...there's all of the statements made (which we've all seen and read already so I won't repost them) by Ortega, Phillips, DiLeo, and so forth.

    So...WAS Michael as sick as some want to portray him? In all fairness, I don't believe for one second that he was. In the autopsy report, his health indicated chronic pneumonia/bronchitis appearing to have been a bit of an issue at the time of his death, and in his bedroom, antibiotic prescriptions were discovered relative to the treatment of such. However, the autopsy specialist also clearly noted that the pneumonia/bronchitis was NOT life-threatening.

    I WILL stick my neck out and say this to make this quite clear (being in similar medical circumstances as was Michael, although mine is a result of a battle in 2005 with Congestive Heart Failure which had left me forever prone to bronchitis/pneumonia risk, whereas Michael's issue was most likely a repercussion/side-effect of his Lupus)...When a person is sick with bronchitis/pneumonia you WILL feel cold. You WILL shiver. You WILL (summer or not) run a fireplace to keep yourself warm (in my case, electric blankets would run and they'd be set at the highest possible setting). You WILL be a breathless at times, or your chest will feel "heavy", which quite often results in "wheezing" (NOTE: NOBODY had ever reported hearing Michael "wheezing" at ANY time. NOBODY! This is extremely suspicious if you ask me, btw.). You WILL have moments of disorientation and perhaps dizziness, especially when you are physically exerting yourself-- most notably when pulling off the dance maneuvers Michael did. Geez...even a simple walk from the kitchen sink to a nearby kitchen table-- 3 to 5 ft. away could leave you "winded" if the pneumonia is "bad" enough.

    So, when you take all of those things into consideration, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that Michael was as "ill" as "Team $ony and their phonies" (Karen Faye included) would like for you to believe, NO FREAKING WAY!!! NONE... NADA...ZIP...ZILCH, and THAT IS WHY Karen nor Ortega did anything. They KNEW Michael was being treated for his pneumonia. So is it all "hype?" ABSOLUTELY!...End of bull****!

    Michael's antibiotic prescriptions were taking care of his pneumonia flare-up, and probably quite well. The only slap on the wrist here is that AEG should've allowed Michael time to heal via bed rest and so forth. It's clear he looked "tired" at times. Although, that too is par for the course when you're overcoming pneumonia.

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  113. Lady,
    It's clear you think Karen is in on all this.

    But she had a point when she said there was no way she could get Michael to a hospital by herself and if/when the bodyguards didn't help because they didn't want to lose their jobs.

    Well, what was she suppose to do?

    So, I am 50/50 on this Karen thing.

    She is either with Sony or a Victim of Sony.

    And Bonnie, you are right. If she wound up dead it would look very suspicious.

    But there are other ways to threaten people.

    Maybe Sony threatened to ruin her career or just make her life a living Hell, if she didn't work with them. (Sony)

    The other thing that gets me, is that Sony on the computer moniter.

    That was no mistake! Sony is not that stupid!

    That was on purpose...in your face!

    That's my opinion anyway.

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  114. Bonnie,

    I wanted to ask you, what is that Pendant Sam is wearing in that Sony picture?

    I tried to enlarge the pic and still could not make it out.

    It looks like a Dagger (Suzie Got Your Number)?

    But I can't be sure.

    So do tell me Bonnie .......what is it?


    In my opinion, Sam takes great pride in being a Tough...Mean and Aggressive person.

    Check out her "Bitch" shirt that she is wearing with Pride!

    In my opinion they are all a Bunch of Losers!

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  115. @Lady

    Lady,
    Not to get you upset but a person just can't go around and MAKE someone go to the hospital if they don't want to.

    Especially MJ!

    And his bodyguards probably didn't want to lose their jobs, so they were NOT going to help Karen.

    I don't think even MJ's Mother could have made MJ go to the hospital if he didn't want to.

    Plus MJ was an adult/a grown man with money and power.

    So isn't possible that Karen was innocent and her hands were tied in all this?

    I'm just asking so please don't get mad.

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  116. One more thing, where I state: "(NOTE: NOBODY had ever reported hearing Michael "wheezing" at ANY time. NOBODY! This is extremely suspicious if you ask me, btw.). You WILL have moments of disorientation and perhaps dizziness, especially when you are physically exerting yourself-- most notably when pulling off the dance maneuvers Michael did. Geez...even a simple walk from the kitchen sink to a nearby kitchen table-- 3 to 5 ft. away could leave you "winded" if the pneumonia is "bad" enough."

    If anyone past the date and time of this posting all of a sudden starts to claim, "Oh yeah...Michael was wheezing", they are full of crap clear up to their eyeballs. They're only going to claim such because they read my comment here FIRST. So, forget about it "Ganesha Om" gals, Karen, Taaj, and whomever may be reading this. Don't even "go there."

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  117. To Lady, SandyK and Josie -

    We don't even know that Michael NEEDED to go to a hospital. All THAT information came from the TINI members and followers. We all saw the "last three days" of rehearsal footage on TII . . . did he look like he was wheezing/freezing/incoherent/disoriented/barely able to walk up stairs?

    No. And this was also Karen's testimony, Sandy, as well as Sam's, and other TINI members.

    I think I know why you believe Karen is being "demonized" Sandy and you are right in the respect that we are getting way too deep into the WHY's of what she is now doing. Lady is NOT the only one that has mentioned an antagonistic atmosphere between Michael and Karen, and some of the things that were said by Karen about Michael and his family. What has come out of her mouth (hand) in previous posts has followed along the lines of press and THEIR demonization of the whole Jackson family.

    I don't agree with the constant pounding on the personals of people . . . just their actions.

    Josie, you have asked time and again about Karen possibly being between a "rock and a hard place" so to speak. Could this be?

    I have often asked this myself. But Karen has been way to pro-active in this to be considered an innocent victim. If she had not gone to the lengths she has gone through to start up groups to spy on others, and encouraged spying and cyber-bullying and covered for obvious frauds, I would entertain the "victim" title for Karen. But she has been very pro-active in this and that gives me pause.

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  118. Bonnie, there were moments in TII where I felt that Michael was showing his affection for Ortega such as when he was singing I Just Cant Stop Loving You in Spanish to him. But I didn't sense the same spontaneous warmth coming back from Ortega to Michael. Ortega seemed very stiff and formal but ever so respectful. My daughter was in the cinema with me and said she found Ortega's manner towards Michael annoying.

    Re: Michael's health. Let's assume for a moment that contrary to what the Jackson family are saying that Randy Phillips/Ortega etc really didn't have any involvement with the reason why Murray was there and they believed that he was there chosen by Michael to look after Michael's health. It stands to reason that they would have assumed that a so called cardiologist costing $150,000 a month would have actually been looking after the health of his one and only patient. I mean Michael was their star and everything absolutely turned on his ability to perform all of the concerts. It was no tiny production they were working on and there was a lot to lose but most of all Michael's reputation and the reputation of AEG. It would be a natural assumption that if somebody has a personal doctor then that doctor would be looking after the health of his patient. Maybe they just assumed all was okay with Michael because of good ole Conrad.

    There are a lot of questions. For example, did KF know about Murray? Was Murray treating Michael for any other physical condition besides the insomnia? Autopsy said he had lung inflammation. I hope we do actually get a trial one day so that these and so many other questions are answered. There again, I'm dreading the filth that will be thrown against Michael at the trial. I think we will all need to brace ourselves for the dirt Murray and his lawyers will be dredging up.

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  120. "I don't care...even if I had to literally get MJ's bodyguards in on the deal, he would've been put in my car and driven to a hospital.", Me

    "there is no way Karen could have done this. The bodyguards would take orders from Michael only.". Sandy

    Okay...I agree but only in essence because this is also another part in the whole puzzle that doesn't quite add up here either. IF Michael was so sickly, why didn't THEY do something? Yes, I understand, "Michael is/was strong-willed", blah...blah...blah. BUT...if a man is obviously quite ill, and that man is someone you genuinely care for and love, you do what you have to do, no matter how it gets done. You do it! Even if it means that he's (in this case Michael) kicking and screaming every inch of the way. THAT'S "tough love." It takes a lot of courage to pull it off, but geez...Michael was worth it! If it were me...I would have. He could've hated my guts for the rest of his life if he wanted, but 3 children would still have their Father!

    I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree with ALL of the people around Michael that are out there pointing fingers at everyone else but themselves because they're all EQUALLY guilty. There WAS something they could have done, and they FAILED to do it, and that's the cold, harsh, truth of it. Bottom line. That's why I'm suspicious with this whole "Michael was so frail...so sick." thing. NONE of that adds up. NONE.

    @ Josie: "Lady, It's clear you think Karen is in on all this."

    Not necessarily. I'm just tired of her pointing fingers, when she also is a bit to blame evenly and equally. That's all. Sometimes friends have to do what they have to. Especially if she truly valued and loved her friend (Michael).

    Bonnie stated: "We don't even know that Michael NEEDED to go to a hospital. All THAT information came from the TINI members and followers. We all saw the "last three days" of rehearsal footage on TII . . . did he look like he was wheezing/freezing/incoherent/disoriented/barely able to walk up stairs?

    No. And this was also Karen's testimony, Sandy, as well as Sam's, and other TINI members."

    This is part of the mathematical equation in all of this that doesn't make any sense. This is the very reasoning behind my suspicions that Michael was NOT as ill as these people have put out. If he was, somebody would have done something!!! You would especially think that here's Murray on the job, and if Michael was as ill as they all have portrayed, then someone would've screamed "incompetent physician" long before Michael died. This just doesn't make any sense in all fairness. Give me a break...

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  121. One more added thought: If YOU were as sick as TINI and Karen have stated, would YOU have took time to pose for multiple photographs with fans after rehearsal??? Granted, Michael had a beautiful heart, but if he was truly as sick as these individuals make it all sound, the LAST thing he would do is stick around for photos!!! Especially since those photos were shot at night. The air in California gets rather damp at night. When you have pneumonia, you'd be coughing and hacking all over the place. (I say this from experience.) So, there's another point to be made regarding this issue that lends itself to the "not making sense" category.

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  122. Here's something else, now think to the alleged "heated discussion" between AEG/Randy Phillips and Michael over his alleged "poor rehearsal attendance." Remember what I stated: "BUT...if a man is obviously quite ill, and that man is someone you genuinely care for and love, you do what you have to do, no matter how it gets done. You do it! Even if it means that he's (in this case Michael) kicking and screaming every inch of the way. THAT'S "tough love." It takes a lot of courage to pull it off, but geez...Michael was worth it!"

    Okay...with that in mind...MAYBE, or WHAT IF, that alleged "heated discussion" had NOTHING to do with Michael's missing rehearsals? MAYBE the "real" discussion was over Michael's health??? And...perhaps Murray was told to "get his medical act together" or risk being fired??? MAYBE just maybe, that whole incident had NOTHING to do with the missing of rehearsals in so much as it may have been a genuine concern for Michael's health. MAYBE???

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  123. This is what has bothered me about Karen's actions. She posted pics of Michael's crypt on her Facebook page, for 5,000 friends to see. Then she cries foul when somehow TMZ gets them and posts them on their website. Hello, this is the internet! It's like leaving your purse in the middle of a parking lot, then crying "thief" when someone steals it. It makes her look very foolish.

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  124. I have the new blog up tonight which includes analyzing the lyrics to "They Don't Care About Us".

    Karin, I don't know how to answer your post because I am of the mindset that Michael was not the ill, barely walking invalid that TINI and the drama-queens made him out to be. You can't kick it around on stage the last three days of your life like he was in the film and and still be the quickly deteriorating over the three previous months man that they claim.

    They can't have it both ways. Whatever happened at Carolwood was not because of his health. Something else when on there than what TINI is trying to sell people.

    We know as much about Murray as we did ten months ago and that is not much. His story is one I await to hear.

    Lady and Rhoda - Yes, I agree with both of you. If you are going to try and sell me on the TINI version of Michael at rehearsals, you better come up with a very good doggone reason you did nothing about it. Because quite frankly there aren't a whole lot of people OUTSIDE of TINI that even mention any of you crying in dispair about Michael until AFTER he died up to and INCLUDING forum posts . . . KAREN!

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  125. Rhoda - The Jackson Family knows who it was that sold those crypt photos to TMZ and that is good enough for me. I don't even need to know. Karen's comment about her thinking "Michael wouldn't mind" spoke volumes and I'll leave it at that.

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  126. Bonnie - do you have an opinion on this: In This Is It, the film, there is a fire sequence run across the stage, after which Kenny O. says to the pyrotechnics engineer something like "great, now can we do that X10?" If this film were shot within three days of Michael's death, wouldn't Kenny have said something like "great, now can we do that X50?" Would this cause you to think perhaps the film was shot earlier than three days before his death? When the number of shows actually WAS 10?

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  127. I am floored at what I am reading!!! My head is spinning? I truly, I MEAN TRULY MISS MICHAEL and to think that someone who he trusted (Karen Faye) and the so called others would betray him in life and death. When does it stop. Thank you all for opening my eyes to the real truth. I just want Michael to have peace.

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  128. Michael did not have pneumonia or bronchitis. He had "chronic interstitial pneumonitis" along with other problems such as scarring and eosinophilia.

    The definition of pneumonitis is: "an inflammation of the lungs that is confined to the walls of the air sacs (alveoli) and often caused by viruses or unknown agents. It may be acute and transient or chronic, leading to increasing respiratory disability. It does not respond to antibiotics but corticosteriods may be helpful". Pneumonia is "inflammation of the lungs caused by bacteria, in which he air sacs become filled with inflammatory cells and the lungs become solid...". Michael had antibiotics written for him by Cherilyn Lee back in early February and early March--he failed to finish both. They may have been to treat a bacterial infection like pneumonia or maybe not. They could have been used for an array of reasons, but not to treat pneumonitis itself. He had, by all accounts, a chronic lung disease that was not bacterial in nature and it was a disease that should have been carefully monitored, hinted to Murray to avoid using respiratory depressive agents like Ativan, Valium, Versed and especially Diprivan and would have impacted his ability to perform in concert by some capacity, including both singing and dancing.

    Not everyone with a medical condition of the lungs will "wheeze", even some asthmatics do not wheeze.

    Michael likely did have issues breathing while rehearsing. He may not have told anyone, though. He had to perform ill as child, he had to perform in pain as an adult. He was conditioned to continue against all odds concerning the stage. He had too much to lose to let "breathing problems" keep him form completing a contract that stipulated that he lose his share of the Sony/ATV catalog if he failed to perform as required.

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  129. June - You said "Kenny O. says to the pyrotechnics engineer something like "great, now can we do that X10?" If this film were shot within three days of Michael's death, wouldn't Kenny have said something like "great, now can we do that X50?" Would this cause you to think perhaps the film was shot earlier than three days before his death? "

    That's funny you interpreted it like that. I didn't even think about that. I just thought Kenny meant "more pyro", not how many days he needed to do that. IF he was talking "days pyro was needed" I would say yes, but if he meant "more, bigger, better" than of course, no.

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  130. gibbyeileen - you said "Thank you all for opening my eyes to the real truth. I just want Michael to have peace."

    We just want Michael to have peace too. I had the hardest time accepting what I was seeing about Karen. I was in denial for quite a while and didn't post anything on this until I had too much info to ignore. It wasn't even Karen at first, I was disturbed about what was being posted on her blog and on FOK and Sammy's pages that sent me looking deeper. Can of worms like you wouldn't believe!

    Thank you for posting eileen. ♥

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  131. Nikki - You said "Michael likely did have issues breathing while rehearsing. He may not have told anyone, though. He had to perform ill as child, he had to perform in pain as an adult. He was conditioned to continue against all odds concerning the stage. He had too much to lose to let "breathing problems" keep him form completing a contract that stipulated that he lose his share of the Sony/ATV catalog if he failed to perform as required."

    Thank you for posting that about his lung condition. I know we had discussed before the difference between pneumonitis and pnuemonia.

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  132. Nikki: Then at the very least, wouldn't it also be safely assumed that pneumonia or pneumonitis, he would have needed oxygen occasionally-- especially when Michael exerted himself (dancing)? Now, throughout all of this, the ONLY place where I've even heard of or read that Michael had access to oxygen was at HOME, and NOT at the TII rehearsals. So, I find that to be more than a bit curiously mysterious as well. Again, this is still an issue that is "filed" in the "doesn't make sense" category in all of this, IF such was indeed a problem.

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  133. I did not have plans to further comment, after reading that those who were on the Ganesha Om list contacted you to remove their names, I really have to LMAO Bonnie.. I want to repeat what I have written..**************************************** Karen Faye is the creator and holds responsibility for the majority of the 'HATE' that has spread among the fan base. I have been sent things she writes on her Twitter as she goes by 'WingHeart' as most know. Her language is foul, she is about blaming and organizing hate. Look at her personal life.. someone who has not been able to maintain relationships, she almost is in competition with Liz Taylor as far as husbands!! Although, we all make mistakes, what? Karen Faye 5 or 6 marriages, now she gloats on her current boyfriend Barry.. whatever.. But, the point is I believe she is Dangerous. Michael' fans in the beginning thought she would offer comfort on her page in the wake of his death, instead she began organizing, controlling, and set up this wall of Hate and suspicion among Michael's fans to a magnitude that is beyond comprehension. The groups formed, split off, attacked, names were changed, the same ones were posting who created fake profiles and were even replying to their own posts. It was and is so ridiculous. Those who have most likely have only been followers in their lives were now leaders in this drone of Hate and became FOK's . They hid and continue to hide behind profile pics of beautiful Michael. Knowing who alot of them are makes me want to reach into the screen and rip them. So, Bonnie, their names need to remain posted and all others you come across. Yes, they chose to be a part of this because it became a 'feel good' for them and they thought they found a friend named Karen Faye.. Hopefully, many will find out she is No friend. She and her cast of characters are laughable, and being exposed is EXACTLY what they deserve. I find it so difficult to think that Michael surrounded himself with this delusional woman for so many years.. No wonder he fired her.. and he did dismiss her, it is common knowledge in the realm of MJ's relationships. Yep, Karen Faye, another little Pathetic Gollum..along with her army of TROLLS..

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  134. @Nikki,
    You said "He had too much to lose to let "breathing problems" keep him from completing a contract that stipulated that he lose his share of the Sony/ATV catalog if he failed to perform as required."
    I feel this is an aspect of Michael's pressure that has been overlooked; yes Michael did sign an "inducement" letter personally guaranteeing the obligations of his company LLC, so no matter if the catalog were in his name personally, or in the name of the limited liability company, he could have forfeited the catalog if he "failed to perform as required".

    @Bonnie, at first I too interpreted Kenny's X10 remark as you did, but after additional viewings and revelations about the change in the number of shows, I realized that at least this "pyro" portion was filmed at an earlier time. Another inconsistency in a poorly edited film. I guess that's what happens when there is a rush to production.

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  135. @Bonnie,

    Thanks for your respectful response to my last comment and thank you for your patience with me.

    @Nikki,

    Excellent comment about Michael's lung issue.

    @Rhoda,

    "This is what has bothered me about Karen's actions. She posted pics of Michael's crypt on her Facebook page, for 5,000 friends to see. Then she cries foul when somehow TMZ gets them and posts them on their website. Hello, this is the internet! It's like leaving your purse in the middle of a parking lot, then crying "thief" when someone steals it. It makes her look very foolish."

    I agree with you on this Rhoda. I've been feeling the need to defend Karen in an effort to perhaps tone some of the rhetoric down. Some of which has gotten overly harsh. However, I'm very familiar with this crypt photo issue and I agree with your point here.

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  136. Lady

    You said

    "One more added thought: If YOU were as sick as TINI and Karen have stated, would YOU have took time to pose for multiple photographs with fans after rehearsal???"

    This is a good point. I'd like to propose something else:

    Would any fan who was genuinly concerned about his "deteriorating" health hold him up after rehearsal for a photo session???

    If what they say about his health IS true, only goes to show they were NOT there as genuine fans but rather had other motives of self-serving purposes.

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  137. Also, IF what they say is true, than sorry but the only reason they did NOTHING about it is for fear that Michael would completely distance himself from them. We do know that Michael has a history of doing just that (with good reason).

    Sorry but if any of my friends are THAT sick, I don't care if they never speak to me again, I WILL do all in my power to get them appropriate help. Karen specifically has NO excuse, claiming such close friendship, care and concern for him, all she (supposedly) did was write a letter to, was it Randy/Ortega? Can't remember whom she said she wrote to, but she did say that she was ordered to go through them with ALL issues, which is yet ANOTHER point of insight into her relationship with Michael - as a mere make-up artist I would think one is in a close enough proximity to at least WHISPER into Michael's ear (which she never said she did), and as a make-up artist I would think there would not be a reason for AEG to even stipulate something like that, for what reason?
    But I also read somewhere supposed comments of KF (I say supposed because in read it on one of many links I visited and never directly from Karen's pages) that, prior to his passing, she was posting about how great and happy he looked! Anyone else who can confirm this?

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  138. Jenn - I agree with you on your post but I want to refrain from personally attacking people. Karen's marraiges have nothing to do with this issue we are dealing with so I want to try to leave her personal life and her family out of this.

    I know there is a LOT of anger out there over this, but we have to not stoop to the levels that some of these other "Ganesha" girls have stooped to in personal attacks. Karen has not emailed, private messaged or otherwise posted about me that I am aware of. That's not to say that her "fans" haven't done some work on her behalf and I have not seen her discourage it either.

    Basically, If we could please take the high road on the personal attacks and just stick to bringing their actions out into the light and not get personal. We can't let them dictate our character and our reactions. ♥♥♥

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  139. June said - "@Bonnie, at first I too interpreted Kenny's X10 remark as you did, but after additional viewings and revelations about the change in the number of shows, I realized that at least this "pyro" portion was filmed at an earlier time. Another inconsistency in a poorly edited film. I guess that's what happens when there is a rush to production. "


    It probably was filmed at an earlier time but you know what? We dont' even know that for sure do we? I will agree with you that the TII film was "quickly" edited. There could be one of any number of reasons for this. The two that have played in my mind are:

    1. They sold the rights to Sony and Sony was rushing them.

    2. AEG wanted the film out there ahead of what is looking like a pre-campaign by the TINI people. Will explain more about that later.

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    SandyK - You are welcome, but . . . why? Did you feel you were being difficult? LOL?

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    Aida said - "Sorry but if any of my friends are THAT sick, I don't care if they never speak to me again, I WILL do all in my power to get them appropriate help."

    I agree with you wholeheartedly on this. Also when you mention KF's past posts . . . the MJCommunity forum is where those particular posts were made, and I have heard they have been since taken down because no links to it posted anywhere else are accessable now. There was also a post to someone from Karen reported that she request that Michael's condition be kept secret. It was later explained that it was because Michael would have been mortified.

    If that is true - That would be like forbidding an intervention for fear of offending the person.

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  140. Bonnie

    "It was later explained that Michael would have been mortified."

    How about,"If Michael finds out and fires me, I'LL be mortified, this is my chance to be near him after a very long time."

    IF it was that serious.

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  141. Aida said - "Would any fan who was genuinly concerned about his "deteriorating" health hold him up after rehearsal for a photo session???

    If what they say about his health IS true, only goes to show they were NOT there as genuine fans but rather had other motives of self-serving purposes."

    Thank you!!! That too I had considered. But people as a general rule tend to put their own desires ahead of another's. These people are certainly no exception. However, if in this case, I saw that this poor man was as ill as these people have made him out to be, the LAST thing I would do is have him stick around for the taking of pictures. It's just courtesy and manners on my part.

    Bonnie said- "Also when you mention KF's past posts . . . the MJCommunity forum is where those particular posts were made, and I have heard they have been since taken down because no links to it posted anywhere else are accessable now. There was also a post to someone from Karen reported that she request that Michael's condition be kept secret. It was later explained that it was because Michael would have been mortified."

    This is not surprising. This sort of thing is the very reason why many of Michael's fans believe that KF is full of crap and is not one to be trusted. Besides, how could Michael be "mortified" considering when she made the statements he was already dead??? Her "excuse" doesn't make any sense any more than it holds any water.

    As for the quickness of TII's release. One good reason is simply, you have a ton of people who had purchased tickets for MJ's concerts and now there wasn't going to be one obviously. AEG had good reason to make some quick cash on the film which served to reimburse ticket sale losses. $ONY on the other hand, just saw a great money-making scam which is why it was released through $ONY subsidiary-- Columbia Pictures, and since MJ was in the hurt locker financially it made sense for the Estate to want the opportunity to cash in on it all too.

    Then, there's the beginning of TII where it states: "For the Fans..." I don't know about you, but I was slightly offended by that. I know they likely were being sugary sweet to us in their intention. BUT...knowing that Michael was killed while putting this show together, it was also a direct slap in our faces if you stop and think about it just a little. It's like saying albeit indirectly: "Michael died bringing this to you. It's YOUR fault he's dead." That's just my thoughts on that. Nobody has to agree with it.

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  142. Bonnie

    " If that is true -That would be like forbidding an intervention for fear of offending the person."

    I agree.

    Furthermore, she DID say that for the Madison Square Garden appearance, despite the doctor telling her Michael needed to sleep 8 hours, she pushed him out of the way and while working on him forced him with bagels and gatorade, all the while with Michael nodding out. She even walked him (to make him stay up). All of this because, as she put it, "thousands of people would have been devastated."

    True, had Michael not made the appearance, people would have been disappointed and more importantly, it would have given the media more reason to trash him. HOWEVER, someone who claims to be a close friend will NOT even think twice about calling 911 upon finding their friend unresponsive ( especially given her knowledge of his medication dependency), let alone worry about upcoming performance and negative consequences.

    And I am saying all of this considering myself to be a reasonable person of good judgement (mostly lol) and putting myself in her shoes, calling 911 is exactly what I would have done, trust.

    Just goes to show that even those who blame others for enabling him and viewing him as a money making machine do so THEMSELVES. I don't doubt her and others around him had much love for him, but like someone else said, love wasn't the only factory, being around him also meant money, power, and I add to that, fame.

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  143. Aida said- "HOWEVER, someone who claims to be a close friend will NOT even think twice about calling 911 upon finding their friend unresponsive ( especially given her knowledge of his medication dependency), let alone worry about upcoming performance and negative consequences.

    Just goes to show that even those who blame others for enabling him and viewing him as a money making machine do so THEMSELVES. I don't doubt her and others around him had much love for him, but like someone else said, love wasn't the only factory, being around him also meant money, power, and I add to that, fame."

    My points EXACTLY! If you're a close and dear friend of and to someone, the LAST thing you'll do is simply sit there, accept a paycheck, and watch your friend die before your very eyes. At least I KNOW that I would fall into this category, and most others would too. But again...this is why I just can't find the whole "he (Michael) was so frail and sick" story that Karen and TINI have put out to be in any way, shape, or form believable. I just can't.

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  144. @Bonnie,

    "Basically, If we could please take the high road on the personal attacks and just stick to bringing their actions out into the light and not get personal. We can't let them dictate our character and our reactions. ♥♥♥" -Bonnie

    Thank you Bonnie.

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  145. Aida said - "Would any fan who was genuinly concerned about his "deteriorating" health hold him up after rehearsal for a photo session???

    Just the thought of this makes me nauseaus...:-(

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  146. @Lady,

    "Then, there's the beginning of TII where it states: "For the Fans..." I don't know about you, but I was slightly offended by that. I know they likely were being sugary sweet to us in their intention. BUT...knowing that Michael was killed while putting this show together, it was also a direct slap in our faces if you stop and think about it just a little. It's like saying albeit indirectly: "Michael died bringing this to you. It's YOUR fault he's dead." That's just my thoughts on that. Nobody has to agree with it." - Lady

    I agree with your observation. Ugh. It gave me a sick feeling in my stomach.

    To add to your comment about the movie and it's messasge about it being "for the fans" which of course is a disingenuous comment in many ways: "Michael died bringing this to you. It's YOUR fault he's dead...but don't fret, bring your friends and family, buy some popcorn, enjoy the movie and have a nice day." Ugh....:-(

    This visual reminds me of scientist clambering to photograph an exquisitely rare orchid in the wild only to find they've detroyed it due to the heat of their flash bulbs. The quintessential bull-in-a-china-shop analogy concerning the "for the fans" intro to TII the movie.

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  147. @ SandyK: "To add to your comment about the movie and it's messasge about it being "for the fans" which of course is a disingenuous comment in many ways: "Michael died bringing this to you. It's YOUR fault he's dead...but don't fret, bring your friends and family, buy some popcorn, enjoy the movie and have a nice day." Ugh....:-(

    This visual reminds me of scientist clambering to photograph an exquisitely rare orchid in the wild only to find they've detroyed it due to the heat of their flash bulbs. The quintessential bull-in-a-china-shop analogy concerning the "for the fans" intro to TII the movie."

    I agree. Good synopsis! On the plus side, my daughter who's now 13 yrs. old and I did go to the theatre to view TII on the big screen. The only reason why I took her at all was because she knew (as did my older children) that Michael was "a biggie" in my music collection and life. She missed out on most of the "Michael-mania" being born in 1997, but she does vaguely remember the 2005 trial, and how I'd cry at what they (the Media, et al) were doing to him, and how occasionally it would get bad enough that I'd throw up. (Recalling the day he showed up in court in his pajama pants.) Even though at that time, she was only 8 yrs. old, she still remembered my saying as I watching the clip on CNN at the time, "They're killing him!...". She NEVER forgot it neither. At the end of TII, we were both crying. She knew it was hard enough for me to lose my youngest son/her half-brother barely 3 yrs. before due to a horrible accident, but for me to also lose my "hero" 3 yrs. later-- well, kids are smarter than we give them credit for...

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  148. @Lady,

    I'm so very sorry concering the loss of your youngest son. How very tragic and painful that must be for you and your family. Prayers to you as you continue to deal with this painful loss.

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  149. @ Sandy: Thanks. In any case, this is where I can and I do sympathize with Katherine Jackson. The loss of a child is NEVER easy, whether they're only 20 or they're 50 yrs. old. It doesn't matter. For a Mother, it's like someone just reached in and ripped out your womb when that happens. It's absolutely devastating and awful. But, also like Katherine, I too am a survivor. That doesn't mean that I won't cry out of nowhere at times, but I'm a survivor nonetheless.

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