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Michael Jackson Justice: Navigating the Death Hoax Videos – Part 1

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Monday, October 18, 2010

Navigating the Death Hoax Videos – Part 1

October 18, 2010 – Navigating the Death Hoax Videos – Part 1


I tried. 

For the last three days,  I have “retired” for the evening at a somewhat normal time (before 2am).  Day one, I woke up at 3:04am and couldn’t get back to sleep.  I ended up going back to bed at 1pm.  That was Saturday.  Saturday night, I went to bed at 11:14 pm and slept through until 5am.  I woke up with a splitting migraine.  I carried that little parasite throughout the remainder of the day.  I tried to lay down again.  Exercise in futility.  Back up.  The “head” stayed with me until just before 11 last night.  I fell asleep around midnight. I Awoke at 1:28am.  I laid there until 2:33am.  So here I am.

Michael’s fan base has been splintered so many times by so many “prophets” I surmise that we will soon see the actual naming of sects.  Haven’t we already?

Believers (Hoaxers) vs. non, the Justice4MJ vs the “Banner” people, the “followers” vs. the “Haters” (this is a loosely coined term for anyone who doesn’t “fall-in”, follow or pledge allegiance…ie: ask questions, you’re out).  The Karen Faye Groupies vs. the Anti-Karen’s, AEG vs. Sony, Branca vs The Jackson’s and on and on.

One of the most contested subjects from the get-go was the “faked death” theories and questions of such.  Since I first began seeking information about Michael’s death AFTER studying him first, Karen’s Faye’s Facebook page was the first place I got my information, like most fans.  The first thing I learned was that AEG neglected him, Kenny was a jerk/insensitive, Phillips was evil and Tohme and Jermaine were accessories (even if they were unaware he was going to die).

When enough information gets handed around, sooner or later it starts to back up on itself if it is not the truth to begin with.  The truth unites dead ends.  Lies overlap and contradict each other and never meet.  As this began happening on Karen’s page, people began asking questions.  Then certain “pillars” of Karen’s page got defensive and a war broke out.

If it doesn’t make sense, it is probably not the truth.  And as gaps in information begin to close, I have to revisit again this hotly contested subject:

The Death Hoax Theories


There are several death hoax forums and you tube channels to get lost in and they range from the plausible to the ridiculous to the insane.  Before we embark on this discovery I will tell you up front that I believe the information that is out there makes more sense with Michael being alive than with him being dead.  But for now, I do want to tackle some of these Death Hoax sites because some of them are not only a hindrance to any justice, they are in essence damaging to Michael’s character.

Akon on Twitter:  “The most beautiful sound in the world Is your own HeartBeat. It assures u that u are alive even When the whole world leaves you for dead.”  (22 hours ago) (Hope Contributed and the site).

The MJ Hoax Evidence Youtube Channel Part 1

We will cover the other videos but I wanted to start with part one for today.  These videos were sent to me, or the links to them, by Hope.  She wanted to know what I thought of them and to be honest, they made me angry.  Angry to the point of crying.  When you watch all three of them in order, you get a sense of what message the creator of these videos was trying to get across.  After thinking about that message, I got a sense of a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Nevermind that the person chooses to remain completely anonymous, including using a digital voice to keep from being indentified, the person claims insider industry experience up to and including working with Ortega and Michael in the past.


Pause the disclaimer to read it.  It is hard to read with the red on black. The next statement shows up, with the simulated voice saying:

“I am a professional actress and singer.  I’ve appeared in feature films and recorded as a solo artist for Warner Bros. Records, A&M records and other labels.”

A&M Records is under Universal Music Group (UMG) and has encompassed such artists as Toni Bazil, Falco, Bryan Adams, Styx and Janet Jackson. 

“A&M releases were initially issued in the United Kingdom by EMI's Stateside Records label, and then under its own name by Pye Records until 1967. A&M releases were also issued in Australia through Festival Records until 1989. A&M Records Ltd.[2] was established in 1970, with distribution handled by other labels with a presence in Europe. A&M Records of Canada Ltd.[3] was also formed in 1970, and A&M Records of Europe in 1977. In 1979, A&M entered a distribution agreement with RCA Records (which later became BMG) in the USA, and with CBS Records (whose successor Sony Music Entertainment later absorbed BMG) in many other countries.” Source 

So now we know that this “singer” and “actress” quite possibly had a Sony Music connection and/or also an EMI connection (Bandier).

With that said, let’s continue.  She said she has had professional experience with both Kenny Ortega and Michael and has sung background vocals for many professional artists.  Looking in the list on Wiki for A&M Records (as well as other labels), we can probably narrow this list down to:

Falco, Atlantic Starr, Janet Jackson, the Police, Jim Diamond, Chris De Burgh, Suzanne Vega, Oingo Boingo, Annabel Lamb, Bryan Adams, Vital Signs, Joe Jackson, during the 1980’s if Kenny Ortega is in this picture.  Of course the possibilities are not limited to this list. We can knock out the guys, and probably add some girls from a few other labels.  The names of backup singers also came to mind, Sheryl Crow who went on to record as a solo artists and she is also has credits as a backup singer and an actress at this source.  She has been with A&M records which has been owned by other labels, and she has also been featured with other labels as backing vocals and with the many artists she has done duets with, including Michael.  She toured with Michael during 1987 – 1989 BAD world tour and was not asked back.  Keep that in mind as well.  Ortega did not work with Michael until the Dangerous Tour and Sheryl was gone by then.

She also says that she and Michael are close in age (okay, start your searches.  How old is Crow? LOL!)

She says that “This is It” was in the works long before Ortega, AEG or Sony told the world.  I can believe that.  As a matter of fact, “This is It” as a concert was in the planning stages, according to interviews with Randy Phillips of AEG, that they had been trying to get Michael interested in doing the concerts from back in 2007.  My own research says possibly sooner, as early as 2006 in concept.

In the next frame she makes reference to the “Dome Project” (the 3D-2D projects) being made in the three month time frame of the “concert production”, but that the “actual production” of “This is It” had commenced long before that.

Michael from rehearsal footage for TII
The “non-shopped version”


The production?  That could be possible.  Let’s continue –

She claims that “This is It” was intended to be a feature film from its inception.  She then claims that the dancers “open call” was phony and that the dancers had already been cast long before the “open call” and that the “open call was staged to be part of the “film”.

She then goes on to accuse the O2 Press conference as being “staged”.  This is interesting because I never believed that guy on stage was Michael either.    I thought to myself, “this is too easy.  Anyone can claim any part of that rehearsal footage was “staged”, but then she uses one of the dancers as an example at 3:50 into the video.  Tyne Stecklein, as a “dancer hopeful” is also an actress and has worked with Kenny Ortega before in High School Musical in 2007, “17 Again”, and is also in the movie “Burlesque”. Source    

You can see her in a Scene from “High School Musical 2” at 4:26  in the video.

The narrator then goes through an unnecessary explanation of industry connections and the nature of auditions.  This is not necessary.  She made her point in proving that Stecklein was an actress.  I pulled up other sites which verified this.  When someone gives too much information to verify information already present, it is usually to influence the delivery and perception of that information to keep you from entertaining any other possibility.

At 5:38, the simulated voice tells us that 5,000 people showed up for the open call, but that the open call was manipulated and the principle dancers had already been cast.  So the question is, if true did those 5,000 people showing up KNOW about a fake open call?  Were they truly extra’s and got paid for these scenes they may have been in, or were they bamboozled?  Is this information correct at all?

Information like this would have the potential to incite a lot of anger toward AEG (who was holding these auditions . . . not Sony, Sony did not own the footage yet).  It is even presented in a way that if this were NOT true, the people spending their whole day for an audition open call that was fraudulent would understandably be quite upset.

Scenes from TII


The voice tells us Tyne’s boyfriend Corey made the second cut but was not chosen and that Kenny was obviously instrumental in Stecklein being cast.  This seems to contradict the information given before, of everything being orchestrated in the open call.  Beware of words like “obviously”.

The speaker also tells us that Timor Stephens is also in the film “Burlesque”.  What does this prove?  Well, so far that Tyne and Timor are both in two of the same films.  She says that Timor does not have any speaking lines and may possibly not get screen credit.  So what was the point of bringing that up?  At 6:32 she tells us . . . to drive home again the point that Ortega may have had a hand in them getting cast in both films.

She next highlights Mekia Cox (no . . . no relation), who has been performing since she was two, and has had roles in such shows as “One Tree Hill”, “Undercovers”, “CSI NY” and “90210”.

The speaker then goes on to say that neither Cox nor Stecklein did much dancing in the film that anyone with a sense of rhythm and the ability to follow direction couldn’t do.  What this proves is nothing other than either AEG could have pre-hired some of the dancers, OR many other scenes edited out did not make it in the documentary that was released.

The video at 8:43 shows/tells that “TII” was “scripted” and that it had a huge production budget.  Proof for this is the number of actual camera operators up to and including the 3D camera operators.  My own observation of “TII” the DVD version and seeing several different angles of the same scenes on the Youtube videos of “TII” was that yes, there were more than two cameras.  Then we get into semantics about the additional cameras being the principle cameras and the two “videographers” as the extra’s and not the other way around.

For me the fact that there ARE more than two cameras to begin with, leads me to believe that this was not shot as a documentary but as a film or pieces of a film.  I do follow her on this.

This is the full list of cast and crew.  She is right. It takes your breath away.  Karen Faye is listed as Hair stylist for Michael Jackson, NOT as a make up artist.  Source http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1477715/fullcredits   However, my attention was drawn to the list of film editors:
Film Editing by 
Don Brochu  Brandon Key  Tim Patterson  Kevin Stitt 

According to this link http://gazettetimes.com/news/local/article_5f879cae-c785-11de-975d-001cc4c03286.html , Michael died on Friday, May 25 of 2009 so hastily created articles with half-asleep editors are not exactly helping me here.

Forgot the Anniversary Already?  A Man probably wrote that!



I looked up each of those editors and noticed further down in the credits that there are more editors, (digital, picture etc…) but is it possible there were two sets of editors?  Ortega is not credited with editing at all in this whole list, but directors do assist in determining what gets edited.   Then there is the issue of Sony doing their own editing AFTER they purchase the footage and editing rights, as I discussed in a blog entry way back, here http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2010/10/this-is-not-it-and-never-was.html .

Therefore either Sony added the “long list” after they bought the film rights, or AEG had it all along.  Depends on who you believe.  In the “This is NOT It and Never Was” blog I did, I introduced  Sony as those editing the final film most people saw.  They bought the rights to the film/footage.  Would Sony have paid $60 million for an already completed film they had no artistic or editing control over?  I wouldn’t! 

Toward the end of this video, she again harps on the “high budget, feature film” as opposed to the “documentary” as it was marketed.   There are other videos by this user and there are other hoax videos and forums out there.  Here is the problem I have with this particular hoax video and why I want to start looking into some of these. 

I started out looking into this particular video because a friend of mine who’s been looking into many things for me sent them to me.  Believe it or not, my initial reaction was anger . . . toward MICHAEL!  Why?  Because these videos give the impression that this whole 16 months has been nothing but an expensive, elaborate narcissist’s introduction to “Michael’s new career”.   That despite the years of deceit, theft, two failed attempts to destroy him via false criminal charges and his family through heinous allegations of sexual misconduct with a child, the extreme isolation and pain they put this man through, Michael Jackson would ever work with Sony willingly.

Ultimately, these hoax videos, although compelling, do not change the facts, nor do they change history.  Nice try Sony.

My anger quickly transferred back where it belongs . . . with Sony.  And the reason I want to pay any attention to these hoax videos now is because of my initial reaction.   I’ve been working on this blog since January of this year.  I’ve been working on studying Michael since July of 2009.  If one video can momentarily make me that angry at Michael, just think of the damage these videos and other stories like them can do to those who have not spent this kind of time on Michael and don’t know how far Sony has gone to ruin this man.

On the other side of the fence (the hoax side), why would Sony even bother with hoax videos?  Why put them out?  Does Sony believe that Michael is alive?  

For the same purpose as the other attempts to discredit Michael and  those who were helping him:  to divide the fan base.  There is a huge rift between believers of a hoax death and the non-subscribers to this theory.  Huge!  Mission accomplished!

Here is what I believe.  I believe that if Michael is alive, there would have to be a reason for him to fake his death.  Michael is not the type of person to put his fans through what we have been through over the last almost year and a half for what this video says is nothing more than a creative way to change careers and showcase someone’s creativity.

If you are confused at all about evidence coming to light now, remember Michael’s history.  There is nothing that anyone will do to change what they did to Michael.  And Michael told everyone back then who was at the helm of his terror.

I cannot tell anyone for certain that Michael is alive.  I also cannot tell anyone for certain that he is dead.  I can only tell you how I feel based on my own research.  I don’t rely on videos or hoax forums but I do get ideas on what information to research from them.

When you come upon videos like these, keep these things in mind:

 - Sony was no friend to Michael, past, present or future.
 - If Michael was going to fake his death, It most likely was due to a threat to his life. Of this he has spoken!

 - If Sony is putting out Hoax propaganda, it’s possible they believe he is still with us.
 - If Sony believes Michael is still with us and it’s true, then Michael is still in danger.

If we can think back over the results of the previous challenges this blog and those reading it have dealt with, from the discovery of Thomson and Taraborrelli to June Gatling, Leonard Rowe, DeGosson’s photo-shopped pictures, to Karen Faye’s inexplicable harboring of frauds, to TINI’s true objectives, we are getting the true scope of Michael’s peril throughout most of his adult career.  This is not even to mention what surrounded Michael between 1989 (Frank DiLeo being forced out, protection for Michael gone) and that horrid trial in 2005 when the full depth of this predicament was discovered during investigation.

That trial, when we look at it now, could have possibly been the blessing in disguise, because until then, nobody was really listening to Michael.  Nobody could get to him and he couldn’t get past the wolves surrounding him.  Could control have finally reversed after that trial?

To be continued…

An older, healthy and Un-edited Michael

66 comments:

  1. Like I said before, if Michael is alive, he can't come back as HIMSELF because they will kill him for sure.

    If he comes back as someone else, then (to us) it isn't Michael.

    So either way, Michael will be dead to us.

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  2. While I have a truly hard time believing that Michael is NOT dead, I DO believe that perhaps TII was an elaborate means for Michael himself to draw the attention of his fans-- whom I'm sure he somehow KNEW that some of us would dig to get at the truth of the entire ordeal, in hopes of finally bringing about an end to the means of his long battle with his enemies. I also believe that Michael was quite aware of the risks to his life. BUT... the end results of TII was true mastery at its very best. Perhaps AEG was helping Michael as Bonnie had stated earlier. Perhaps Michael brought DiLeo back on board, knowing that there would be a strong possibility of his demise before filming was completed? And even more amusing is that $ONY took the bait (the film). Maybe in the long haul, Michael found a way to outsmart his opponents, and so... here we are! Considering the amount of fire we've drawn from $ONY's "thugs" (TINI, Taraborrelli, Thomson) and Karen Faye, just to list a few... I deeply entertain this being a very REAL possibility. Interesting possibilities here...VERY interesting.

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  3. Lots to digest here Bonnie.

    I remember that it was announced that Michael was very "hands on" in various aspects of the production process including choosing the dancers during that casting call. The movie implies that he is making those decisions. I do understand that since he is not here to refute it, they can pretty much tell the story anyway they want. Also, Michael didn't appear to have a seperate camera crew on hand to keep everyone honest like he was able to do with that proven fraud, Bashir. Although I've never heard of such a thing I'd always wondered if Michael was the kind of person to keep a journal to record significant events in such as important decisions, rehearsal dates, publicity events and the like. I supposed such a thing would have shown up by now unless it's being suppressed. Pure speculation, I know.

    Any possibility of Michael being alive is beyond my ability to comprehend. So many people are involved. Who did the coroner do an autopsy on? Who worked on him in the hospital? What about the paramedics and the mortuary staff? Not to mention the staff that worked on him during the second autopsy. I understand that people want to dismiss KF's account but what about M.L.Bush and D.Tompkins? Bush held back tears as he recounted how he assisted in placing Michael's body in his coffin. Other than the 20/20 interview, B and T have said very little publically to their credit. How do you get all these people to buy in to this?

    Then there is the signed death certificate (I know, paper/signatures can be faked) and Murray's upcoming trial. If Michael's not dead than Murray is standing trial for a crime that did not happen. Would Michael buy into something like that? I find that hard to believe. My head is spinning!

    Michael, for any number of reasons, I wish you were here. First and foremost, to be with your kids and second, to clear up all this confusion.

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  4. @ Bonnie: Sheryl Crow is MY age (48), but I am 6 days her elder. Her birthdate is: February 11, 1962. Mine is February 5, 1962.

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  5. Josie - I'm not so sure about that. If Michael is alive and all this was done, it was done for a reason. But the point of this post really wasn't to argue whether he is dead or alive, but to dig into the motives of some of these hoax sites.

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  6. Lady - In all honesty we don't even know what the end results of "TII" are. These hoax sites get "legitimized" every time a new "clip" or "new footage" of the rehearsals is released on Youtube. We are going to cover more videos so I didn't want to yet comment on what else I saw, but go through these a little at a time. Ironic this opportunity opens it's doors again just as I'm getting ready to move . . . (God timed???)and There will probably be a break in my posts.

    I have firm belief that AEG was helping Michael, as well as Colony and Anschutz in general. The reason this video bothered me so much is the truth-mixed-with-assumption that these people are so good at presenting as fact.

    IF YOU ARE HIDING, INTEGRITY IS IN QUESTION. Period.

    I so much want to post every but of info I have and I can't. First it would probably take a month of blog posts to cover it all and from what I have seen so far . . . I think it is best to pace everything and not put all your cards on the table. I do believe that Sony knows a little more than they let on. Otherwise, why not just continue with their smear campaign against AEG? Why tread the hoax waters? It's like they are trying to trump information that may soon be coming out, by suggesting through these hoax sites that Michael did this for sheer entertainment. I don't believe for one minute that Michael would be that insensitive to fans or friends. You'll see what I mean when I cover the others.

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  7. Bonnie, these hoax theories are interesting and there seems to be some probing research behind them.

    IMO, Michael's fans and supporters still can't accept losing him. I know I go through my own moments, after listening to his music, when I have to jolt myself to the reality that he's not here.

    Re your blog on October 7th, This Is Not It and Never Was, regarding editing of This Is It, I posted several comments, one of which referenced this IMdB site with the full crew list, including all the editors and all the cameramen, as editing was the subject of this blog. This was a giant red flag to me as it confirmed what I had been thinking for a long time, that This Is It, the film, was not a true documentary, it was not shot for Michael's "home library" by two cameramen paid by AEG because Michael didn't have the money to pay them, and was selectively edited to show Michael in the best light. According to the film, he couldn't get through one number in the same outfit!

    And while commenting about the editing, I also saw the credits for Tyne Steicklein and Mekia Cox. Look carefully at the film right after Michael (sitting next to Kenny) says "she's the one" (referring to a dancer). There's a shot of Tyne and Mekia where Mekia drops to the floor, in happiness I guess, and Tyne glances blissfully her way, knowing he already had the job. You bet, pre-selected, and who knows how many more.

    Personally, I don't buy the hoax theories as I agree with you Michael would not do that to his fans. And he surely wouldn't do that to his family, so would the family be in on it? No way.

    I've been on the fence about AEG's culpability in Michael's demise. Sadly, I'm drawing my own conclusion that TII, the film, was long in the planning, professionally created and edited, and I believe done without Michael's knowledge as to "their" true intent, as AEG (and Sony?) were not taking any chances with Michael not being able to complete his tour. The film was their ace in the hole. Of course, just my conclusion.

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  8. Bonnie said, "But the point of this post really wasn't to argue whether he is dead or alive, but to dig into the motives of some of these hoax sites."

    I'm glad you clarified this...:-) (Although you actually did say this in your post. I ended up going off on my own little side trip.) Digging into the motives of the hoax sites is a very worthy topic of discussion. It seems a lot of the hoax sites, especially the over the top ones, just seem to be there in order to take "our" eyes off the ball, so to speak.

    Looking forward to reading more.

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  9. SandyK - I spent 20 minutes in the bathroom crying last night (so hubby wouldn't see). I was so angry when I saw this video, I just couldn't believe it. I thought, initial reaction: "Michael, how could you?!! Honestly was angry with him and I had to go back and watch all of them and you start to see what is being projected through these videos.

    I am no longer afraid of looking at any possibilities. What I am afraid of is how I would feel about the truth if it is not what I thought it was.

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  10. @ SandyK: "Also, Michael didn't appear to have a seperate camera crew on hand to keep everyone honest like he was able to do with that proven fraud, Bashir. Although I've never heard of such a thing I'd always wondered if Michael was the kind of person to keep a journal to record significant events in such as important decisions, rehearsal dates, publicity events and the like. I supposed such a thing would have shown up by now unless it's being suppressed. Pure speculation, I know."

    Let's take your thoughts a little deeper. Think back to one of his earliest attempts at video journaling, if you will. Remember the YT vid with a very young, Thriller-era MJ featuring Louie the Llama, and LaToya filmed at Hayvenhurst??? Okay...

    Follow me... TII, some 27 yrs. later. NOT so much a documentary, but how about yet another video journal DISGUISED as a documentary/concert rehearsal??? Oh yeah! BINGO! It's VERY Michael! And yes... in this regard, the opening statement to TII is also VERY revealing, if not an outcry from Michael to listen up, and I boldly quote to emphasize the point of this: "FOR THE FANS..."

    Think about it. Michael had been "talking" to us for YEARS via his lyrics, dance, short films, and music. This is nothing new, just another means of saying: "Hello Dear Fans... I am in BIG trouble, and I need your HELP! Although it's probable that I'll be dead by the time you see this, I want you to KNOW who the guilty parties are/were..." It's possible... and it's VERY Michael!

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  11. Hi Bonnie,
    I have watched those videos and found them suspect. I felt that whoever was trying to hard to get their point across and my biggest question was why? Why would it be important to blow the whistle so to speak? What was the point? Other hoaxers had already found the film suspect and presented their suspicions in their videos and layed out a pretty compelling case. I found the "insiders video" to be late and unconvincing. Are we to take it more serious because of the technical jargon that was used to explain voice overs....Please.... at one point the digitized voice had a tinge of bitterness as they tried so hard to be convincing....
    As for Michael's introduction into film, I believe he has been involved for quite sometime. Remember Rabbi Boteach, the one hustling the MJ tapes and book, I watched an interview were he stated that MJ had been involved in some major films in the recent past. He also stated that Micheal clearly understood the power of mystery and the need to remain hidden. What I took from that was Michael's
    need to remain in the shadows of his film work because of his musical career.

    Bonnie I had mentioned before on one of your blogs that I am not completely convinced that Michael Jackson the man passed away or that the persona The King Of Pop was laid to rest.
    Think about this, what involvement if any did Sony have with the O2 Concert series that we have been made aware of? Yes they bought the film footage from AEG but other than that what have we been told of Sony's involvement? Mmmmm I say this is all a part of a much bigger plan. What happen after the passing, Sony buys the rights and a new music contract with the estate. Mmmmm yes there is much more going on behind the scenes. I don't believe Michael was in debt as we have been lead to believe. Yes he had debt but was his situation as dire as we were told?

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  12. Wow! God only knows. I cannot comment. The truth may never b known. There r reasons for everything. Ppl still believe that Elvis is alive too! Like I said; only God knows the truth. GBU all!

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  13. Lady - Okay so Cheryl Crow is "close" in age to Michael, is that fair to say? Within 4 years. (She's older than me? Wow! Nah-nah-nahnah . . . sorry). She was the first person I thought of when I read the description of the person's experience.

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  14. @ Bonnie: "In all honesty we don't even know what the end results of "TII" are."

    I'm not discussing the film being the "end results". I'm talking about how Michael's fans HAVE responded, and how yes indeed... his "betting" that there would be a handful of us out there with careful and thought out intelligence that would seriously QUESTION, a la the '70's Dallas episode of "Who Shot J.R.?"-- "Who KILLED Michael?" We all know WHY Michael was killed. What we are in the process of is the unraveling and solving of the ol' fashioned "Who Dunnit?"!!! It's like something out of the old "Pink Panther" movies with Peter Sellers as Inspector Clouseau.

    Hmm... I wonder if Michael liked to play "Clue?" I know that he loved to play "Monopoly" though. In any case I'm sorry, but this whole scenario reminds me of that classic Parker Brothers board game.

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  15. June said - "IMdB site with the full crew list, including all the editors and all the cameramen, as editing was the subject of this blog. This was a giant red flag to me as it confirmed what I had been thinking for a long time, that This Is It, the film, was not a true documentary, it was not shot for Michael's "home library" by two cameramen paid by AEG because Michael didn't have the money to pay them, and was selectively edited to show Michael in the best light. According to the film, he couldn't get through one number in the same outfit!"

    First, I'm not even sure that proves TII was a film at all. We don't know who put that list of cast and crew on there. That could have been done after Sony bought and edited the footage. And Michael not being able to get through one number in the same outfit sounds more like Karenette propaganda then the truth.

    TII is essentially a series of severely edited footage put together by Sony. I also posted the link to the article explaining WHO HAD EDITING RIGHTS when they bought the rights to the footage. Why are we now sliding back into TINI theories?


    You also said - "I've been on the fence about AEG's culpability in Michael's demise. Sadly, I'm drawing my own conclusion that TII, the film, was long in the planning, professionally created and edited, and I believe done without Michael's knowledge as to "their" true intent, as AEG (and Sony?) were not taking any chances with Michael not being able to complete his tour. The film was their ace in the hole."

    This is why we must dig into these hoax sites. I don't believe for a minute that Michael didn't know what was going on. Not for one minute. Now you are questioning Sony's involvement? (the question mark in parenthesis).

    Just what is it that makes you believe that Michael Jackson is so addle-brained that people, ANYONE could pull this over on him KNOWING that this man was well aware of people wanting to kill him for the last five years at LEAST.

    - What makes you think that Michael's family couldn't be involved in helping Michael if he did happen to make it?

    If you want my honest opinion, TII as it was in the theaters and on my DVD player is not what I would call "coherent". And it most certainly was not edited to show Michael's best part of the performances UNLESS you believe the garbage that TINI and Faye have been throwing out there about Michael being drugged, sick, and 108 pounds, which in previous blog updates, I debunked.

    I have to look at this without TINI'S information because they lied. Now without all that misinformation they gave everyone, we have a visually healthy Michael on that stage, and we see NEW FOOTAGE on youtube where Michael looks even better.

    I'm trying to understand how you could interpret a HOAX VIDEO into a guilty verdict for AEG and only MAYBE Sony.

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  16. Bonnie - “It was intended to be a future film?” Is she trying to tell us the actual TII concert rehearsal was based on fallacy, and the whole thing was pretentious?

    This person in this video really acts like she was there with all these things going on. Otherwise, how does she know this unless she is relying and using “her expertise” to falsify facts?

    What I got from this video is Michael participated with AEG/Kenny Ortega in this high quality future film with an intention to fool as and at the end to “disappear.” As you said Bonnie, “Nice try” Sony.

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  17. Bonnie, reading the link you posted on the interview with Tim Patterson, one of the editors, he says there were four bidders for the film, one being Sony, and that Sony was a good match due to having the rights to most of Michael's songs. Wasn't Michael to get the rights to at least his own songs some time after July 2009?

    Also, per that IMdB site, Sandrene Orabona,one of the two cameramen, has over ten years cinematographer experience, and, back to the Patterson link, he was using a "Sony" handheld camera.

    Lady - loved your last paragraph about Michael talking to us for years, I am in trouble, I need your help, although I will be dead by the time you see this I want you to know who the guilty parties are ... wow!

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  18. SandyK said - "I'm glad you clarified this...:-) (Although you actually did say this in your post. I ended up going off on my own little side trip.) Digging into the motives of the hoax sites is a very worthy topic of discussion. It seems a lot of the hoax sites, especially the over the top ones, just seem to be there in order to take "our" eyes off the ball, so to speak. "

    Side trips . . . mmmmmmmmm - oh? What were you saying?

    I thought when viewing those vids for the first time that, if I am getting angry, there is a reason for it. I can't believe I was angry at Michael. That really bothered me. You think if it's new information you haven't seen before that it must be true . . . not so.
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    Lady - "hink about it. Michael had been "talking" to us for YEARS via his lyrics, dance, short films, and music. This is nothing new, just another means of saying: "Hello Dear Fans... I am in BIG trouble, and I need your HELP! Although it's probable that I'll be dead by the time you see this, I want you to KNOW who the guilty parties are/were..." It's possible... and it's VERY Michael! "

    This is a very interesting and possible theory. However, since Sony had the final editing decisions, how much of this was actually cut out. (I want more footage!!!!)
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    MissShae said - "I felt that whoever was trying to hard to get their point across and my biggest question was why? Why would it be important to blow the whistle so to speak? What was the point? Other hoaxers had already found the film suspect and presented their suspicions in their videos and layed out a pretty compelling case. I found the "insiders video" to be late and unconvincing. Are we to take it more serious because of the technical jargon that was used to explain voice overs....Please.... at one point the digitized voice had a tinge of bitterness as they tried so hard to be convincing...."

    I agree with you. Too convincing, almost over dramatic . . . this has been very classic characteristics of the TINI group in their over-dramatizing (ex. Faye saying you had to practically scrape Michael off the tarmac to get him on the plane to London, etc...)

    I too read the comments below the video and I agree with you. The videos are late and they are in my opinion not very flattering toward Michael or his character. One of the videos even goes so far as to say "This is not to make Michael look bad" and they also mention Michael looking "very thin". I will cover those videos at a later date, but this smells of agenda to me too.

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  19. cmsioux said..."Wow! God only knows. I cannot comment. The truth may never b known. There r reasons for everything. Ppl still believe that Elvis is alive too! Like I said; only God knows the truth. GBU all!"

    God Bless you too, cmsioux. I will bet that God is not the only one that knows the truth. Someone else messaged me about Elvis. I was 12 when that happened. I will tell you this though . . . Elvis did not have three multi-billion dollar corporations backing his concert when he died. And Elvis didn't own a publishing empire either.

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  20. June - said "Bonnie, reading the link you posted on the interview with Tim Patterson, one of the editors, he says there were four bidders for the film, one being Sony, and that Sony was a good match due to having the rights to most of Michael's songs. Wasn't Michael to get the rights to at least his own songs some time after July 2009?"

    Yes, that is the same link that listed Michael's death as Friday, May 25th (when it was Thursday, June 25th). I remember that much being said in earlier interviews too about Sony being a good match. And yes, Michael was supposed to get the rights to his master recordings in July of 2009, just a week before he died. I covered this on a past blog too way wayyyyyy back. Timing, huh?

    "Also, per that IMdB site, Sandrene Orabona,one of the two cameramen, has over ten years cinematographer experience, and, back to the Patterson link, he was using a "Sony" handheld camera. "

    ----- Yes. I was trying to look up the editing team (the main four) to see if they were Sony employees, but I believe teams like that work pretty much anyone that hires them and not specifically for one motion picture company.

    Yes, I agree with you also on Lady's statement of Michael speaking through the film/docu/home movie. Much more to this but I have to go one video at a time and I'm getting ahead of myself.

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  21. Bonnie, respectfully, I'm not interpreting a hoax video into a guilty verdict for AEG and only MAYBE Sony.

    I was basing my prior post in reply to your blog This Is It and Never Was, concerning editing of the film, on my own research when I came upon the IMdB site, back on October 7th, and like you was amazed at the length of the full credits for this "documentary". IMdB is a self-editable database for entertainment professionals which claims that it verifies information prior to posting.

    Nothing I said is based on the hoax video. As I said I don't even believe in the hoax theory.

    (IMO only) This Is It, the film, is so full of holes it begs speculation. Speculation drives all types of theories, including hoaxes.

    As for depicting the "best" of Michael in the film, why would they not do that? I don't buy into TINI's nonsensical version of anything, no, not drugged, sick, 108 pounds.

    Sorry for any misinterpretation. It's always been my opinion that there were multiple responsible parties on some level regarding what happened to Michael.

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  22. June said - "IMdB is a self-editable database for entertainment professionals which claims that it verifies information prior to posting. "

    Yes, this is a problem too and I know that they are about as reliable as Wiki in that respect.

    June said "As for depicting the "best" of Michael in the film, why would they not do that? I don't buy into TINI's nonsensical version of anything, no, not drugged, sick, 108 pounds."

    I am looking at this from the Anti-AEG campaign standpoint in that there has been plenty of attacks on AEG but AEG has attacked no one, nor have they stooped to the levels that Sony's network has in trying to draw interest off of them and onto Sony. (Michael does a good enough job of that all by himself 2001 - ???)

    What that said, if Sony was final-editing a film that they needed as "evidence" of any AEG wrong doing to draw focus off of them and their past with Michael onto AEG as the new villians, would they use the BEST Michael footage for TII? Certainly not.

    Refer to altered footage and stills:

    http://www.michaeljacksonjustice.com/TINIPICS.htm

    That was what I was trying to say. ♥

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  23. On a happier and more heartwarming note:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4qnzavSRX8

    Spotlight sent this to me. I just love this video. Michael, no makeup or very little, just being "him". Wish I knew what he was saying. I stink at reading lips.

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  24. Dear Bonnie,
    I read the quote in your blog from Akon, its funny because I did some research on him and he did some work with michael. I would like to encourage you to look at his biography on wikipedia. Its very interesting... your smart take your time and really read it.

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  25. Did they do all the filming in the last 3days? Did i read that somewhere?

    If that is the case, here is another take on the whole situation. Not one I necessarily believe, just throwing it out there amongst the madness.

    Perhaps they realised Michael would never make O2, so in those last few days they started filming in order to make a DVD. Michael goes home and they start to take a new direction with the concerts, then CM is a complete nob-jockey and forgets how to be a Doctor and accidently kills him. Instead of calling 911 to save his life, he goes into damage control to cover his mess.

    Maybe the whole thing is as simple as that?

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  26. Bonnie,
    about the video Spotlight sent to you - here's the "original" one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElTFXtP9mws&feature=related Michael was spotted queuing at the Peter Pan ride at Disney World. It was December 1, 2002.
    I am not a bit embarrassed to confess to being totally addicted to this particular video. Michael is simply breathtakingly gorgeous, healthy-looking, relaxed and flirty. It is impossible to resist. Also, so much for the never ending speculations about how weird he looked. Because frenkly, if this is what a "weirdo" looks like, I say we need millions of them.
    This post of yours takes time to digest and I personally will need to sit and watch those hoax videos patiently. Thanks for the information, you're always brilliant <3
    Much love to you all.

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  27. Bonnie said, "Josie - I'm not so sure about that. If Michael is alive and all this was done, it was done for a reason. But the point of this post really wasn't to argue whether he is dead or alive, but to dig into the motives of some of these hoax sites."

    Bonnie said, "SandyK said - "I'm glad you clarified this...:-) (Although you actually did say this in your post. I ended up going off on my own little side trip.) Digging into the motives of the hoax sites is a very worthy topic of discussion. It seems a lot of the hoax sites, especially the over the top ones, just seem to be there in order to take "our" eyes off the ball, so to speak. "

    Side trips . . . mmmmmmmmm - oh? What were you saying?"

    My "side trip" I was refering too was me arguing whether Michael was alive or not in response to Josie's initial comment. You responded to Josie that this wasn't the point of your post. You stated the point was "to dig into the motives of some of these hoax sites," not argue his death.

    Hopefully that clarified my "side trip" comment...:-)

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  28. Bonnie, I posted this video link of Michael on the "Your Love Is Magical" post and it compliments the video Spotlight sent you. I thougth I'd post it again. It includes the audio to the MTV interview shown at the end of Spotlight's video.

    Video link:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExNHnoMUGLI&feature=related

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  29. Wow, wow and wow again. Keep then coming Bonnie. I had never considered that the hoax sites could have been deliberately put up by interested parties. The hypotheticals you raise are a fresh way of viewing things though.

    I dunno, would love for Michael to have survived it all and can you imagine if he still was with us on this planet. What a joyous thought that is. Immediately the desolation is lifted and replaced by comfort. But as you say, if he revealed himself in that situation, he would still be in danger and back to square one.

    It's nice to hope though. Grief never ends. I think we just learn to live with it.

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  30. Dear Bonnie, I just love how you think. You hit the nail on the head about the Hoax videos. Some are a bit rediculous and fanciful and should come with a disclaimer that says:(these are only my thoughts). If you know how to navigate your way through them, they are helpful tools in extracting information. But if you are prone to believing everything that hints at inside information, then my recommendation is to stay away from them. When they get tired of the act, they will go away(they always do) and leave their followers stranded. So, Peruse with caution.

    Love your true pictures of our Michael. :)♥

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  31. Bonnie dearest,
    I actually sat and watched - all three parts of it.
    Wow. I have lots of personal thoughts on this but they are all mixed up right now. Let's say it certainly did arise my interest - it is very fascinating, indeed.
    This may seem out of place but I have to say, what startled me the most was that excerpt from one KO interview (it's in part 3, towards the end, surely you know which one.... had never seen it before and the choice of words/body language/closure are somewhat inexplicable).
    As for all the rest of it, I'll wait patiently (not so much, LOL) for your next installments.... Wishing you a safe move, whatever a safe move may be :-)

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  32. @ Nita,
    Yes I watched an interview that Akon gave and the interviewer was complimenting Akon's watch that MJ gave him as a gift for the work that they did together. Also, Akon talked about MJ in another interview about the two of them going to the movies and he was calling Mike by name instead of "Dave". Mmmmmm

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  33. Dear Bonnie,

    About the hoax believers theories and the ghost celebrity who is revealing them the secrets of TII as you have posted about

    “I am a professional actress and singer. I’ve appeared in feature films and recorded as a solo artist for Warner Bros. Records, A&M records and other labels.”

    This is no other than Siedah Garrett. She is 50 years old and she already worked with Michael.

    She wanted to be a part of TII. She talked to Michael and did audition for the part but was not chosen, because "she was not for sale", as she stated on the Genius Without Borders:MICHAEL JACKSON and was posted by Seven on her blog:
    FIRST IMPRESSIONS OF GENIUS WITHOUT BORDERS:MICHAEL JACKSON
    http://www.mj-777.com/?p=5695

    LYM
    AnaPassionHeart

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  34. June – after I read your comment, I was thinking so hard to really understand what you meant before I ask you some questions. Please forgive me and clarify it for me since I don’t get it.

    You said, “I've been on the fence about AEG's culpability in Michael's demise. Sadly, I'm drawing my own conclusion that TII, the film, was long in the planning, professionally created and edited, and I believe done without Michael's knowledge as to "their" true intent, as AEG (and Sony?) were not taking any chances with Michael not being able to complete his tour. The film was their ace in the hole. Of course, just my conclusion.” Here are my questions:

    Are you saying Michael didn’t know the purpose of all those camera crew videotaping? I have heard that Michael always video tape all the rehearsal he has done in the past? Yes, the lady in that video said there were many video cameras professionally videotaping. If that is true, how come Michael did not notice or were they taking the videos hiding or maybe the person whom we think in the film rehearsing was not Michael but impersonator. Why is that they “were not taking any chances with Michael not being able to complete his tour” unless they know for sure his health was in dire situation no way he could make it?

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  35. Nita - Thank you for the suggestion. Yes, I can see Akon has a past and it is surprising the connections they try to make because of who he's done work with. You listen to Akon talk and you get a different person. I have not had time to read the whole thing yet but I will. Michael liked him and he advocated for Michael. I can see where certain people in the industry would want to take credibility from Akon just for that reason. I'm not saying Akon was perfect and he didn't make mistakes, but you can see a definite double standard in the industry.
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    Lonely said - "Perhaps they realised Michael would never make O2, so in those last few days they started filming in order to make a DVD. Michael goes home and they start to take a new direction with the concerts, then CM is a complete nob-jockey and forgets how to be a Doctor and accidently kills him. Instead of calling 911 to save his life, he goes into damage control to cover his mess. "

    There is one problem with this. Five people have died who have had connection to Michael or those helping Michael. I don't think a doctor making a simple mistake would cause people to run around killing others. The stalkers, tabloid journalists all working in connection to sully his name, character and even in some cases his talent. I do believe that there are certain things within TII even with the issue of Sony's editing, that we were meant to take not of. As Lady said, maybe it was a cry for help. It could have also been a "I need your assistance please" to the fans.

    Michael put his messages in songs and I also believe it would have also been in a film, regardless of how butchered it was after Sony got ahold of the footage. Randy J. said there was a lot more to be done on a previous twitter.

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  36. I have watched the video three times, and I couldn’t stop thinking about it . I truly believe the true motive of the video is to make AEG really bad and Michael as a collaborator of the schema. Nothing else. If everything was staged as the lady said in the video and we believe her rhetoric , Michael must have been one of the organizer of this big make-believe. Personally I don’t believe this for a second. If we still believe this lady and look at it the other way around, Michael had nothing to do with this and already gone, somewhere hiding and God knows where, they (AEG) orchestrated this whole drama with Michael’s impersonator by themselves.

    What I am trying to say is, I don’t believe this whole thing was staged behind his back him not knowing anything. Either he knew it and participated or it is was not him in the rehearsal and in the movie.

    I know I am just ranting out of frustration. Forgive me please, what can I do when someone and some group of people continuously hurting him and sometimes is too much. This is a deliberate attempt to denigrate him again. When is this going to stop?

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  37. Simo - Me either (not too embarassed) about those videos and I also have the pictures from that particular video and I think it's the eyes without the makeup and watching him communicate candidly. He's aware of the cameras but he's not focused on them and he's completely human here . . . himself and you can see he's a gentle person. I have a post I am going to share in tonight's update written by someone I correspond with about this blog and it makes me think of the song, "Amazing Grace". Tears . . . gotta move on.

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  38. Karin said - "Wow, wow and wow again. Keep then coming Bonnie. I had never considered that the hoax sites could have been deliberately put up by interested parties. The hypotheticals you raise are a fresh way of viewing things though."

    The hoax sites . . . any information can be put up by either party. Looking the delivery of their message as well as what the message is will tell you if it is harmless or not.

    Your post was very interesting in that you said that desolation would be replaced with comfort if he was still here and he revealed himself. You also said that it was "nice to hope" . . .

    We need hope. It's the only genuine and pure motivation we have to go on living. God didn't give us hope to tease us. He gave us hope as a bridge between desolation and faith.

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  39. Judith said - "Dear Bonnie, I just love how you think. You hit the nail on the head about the Hoax videos. Some are a bit rediculous and fanciful and should come with a disclaimer that says:(these are only my thoughts). If you know how to navigate your way through them, they are helpful tools in extracting information. "

    Could you please put that first statement you made in writing and send it to my husband? LOL!
    You are right, some of those sites are put together rather intelligently and it has helped me actually uncover some of the things on this blog because you are looking at the same information from a completely different angle.
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    Simo said - "what startled me the most was that excerpt from one KO interview (it's in part 3, towards the end, surely you know which one.... had never seen it before and the choice of words/body language/closure are somewhat inexplicable)."

    No, I didn't get a sense of closure out of that interview either. Body language, facial expressions. There is a sadness there, but the sense of loss I am feeling from him is not absolute. It's almost more like watching a source of energy change into another form and Kenny is uncomfortable with the change.

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  40. Anapassionheart said - "his is no other than Siedah Garrett. She is 50 years old and she already worked with Michael.

    She wanted to be a part of TII. She talked to Michael and did audition for the part but was not chosen, because "she was not for sale", as she stated on the Genius Without Borders:MICHAEL JACKSON and was posted by Seven on her blog: "

    You know this for sure? What did she mean by she was "not for sale?" What did that mean?

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  41. Here is my take on it.

    I think AEG filmed the Rehearsals in order to make a DVD.

    I think it was meant to be a Documentary.

    I think auditioning the dancers was legit and NOT filmed in advance.

    I think Doubles were used for the dangerous stunts that were to be a PART OF THE CONCERT.
    It's still a documentary, though.

    Then Michael dies.

    Sony buys the documentary and edits it, to suit their purposes.

    I think the list of cast and crew were added by Sony...Later...after Sony bought the Documentary.

    Then Sony edits the footage and makes people believe it was a Movie all along.

    Sony puts out Hoax Videos to confuse the fans.

    AEG is innocent and Sony is guilty of tampering with this documentary.
    ________________________________________________


    Sony planned to kill Michael and did so.

    Conrad Murray was the fall guy or someone else got to Michael, killed him and set Murray up to take the fall.

    _______________________________________________

    I don't TRUST anything that is said on any of the hoax videos. They MIX Truth with Lies to Confound and Confuse.

    I think these videos are made to confuse the fans and divert our attention on who killed Michael.
    ________________________________________________
    I believe both Elvis and Michael are dead.

    I believe Elvis died from drugs. (NOT Murdered)

    I believe Michael was Murdered.

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  42. Yesterday, I wrote a response to this article entitled: "Michael Jackson auditorium unveiling 'disappointing,' abuse survivors' group says": http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/10/michael-jackson-auditorium-unveiling-disappointing-abuse-survivors-group-says.html However...for some "mysterious" reason, my comment was NOT allowed to post. Censorship at its finest. After all, the lamestream media today doesn't like to be reprimanded for their misconduct you know. Hmm...

    In any case, I resubmitted my comment, and I even added a screenshot of it to my blog, which you'll find here: http://ladyaquarius62.blogspot.com/2010/10/la-times-censored-me-why.html

    I just wanted everyone to know in case the L.A. Times censors me again!

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  43. UPDATE... http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/10/michael-jackson-auditorium-unveiling-disappointing-abuse-survivors-group-says/comments/page/10/#comments Scroll downward, it's THERE! What a "miracle."

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  44. Check this out!!! Watch this advertisement regarding Oprah's interview of LMP this Thursday. If you're as disgusted with the questions that LMP is being asked, join the "club"! Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7FnKVukUFE

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  45. Lady, thank you for the post concerning the Oprah/LMP interview. I saw the video and all I could think of was "UGH!!!!" Yes, I was disgusted. To add to the disgust, don't forget that Oprah's interview with LMP will airs within a day or two of 2 programs Oprah is doing on child abuse. Who is she kidding!!!!

    I get that Oprah still has the largest audience out there and she's a sort of "gate-keeper" to that audience and that is why LMP and Michael's mother are using her to try and get their story out. Unfortunately, it will all be in the editing of these interviews and I don't know if either party has any say in how the interviews are edited. Ugh!! I feel sick suddenly!!

    Also, I'm still seeing some tabloids suggesting the Michael's kids were interviewed and infact are alledging that the kids want to buy back Neverland for their dad. I didn't add the sources because of the type of sources they are...meaning unreliable. Ugh!! That sick feeling is coming back...:-(

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  47. Bonnie, I'm VERY curious about Siedah Garrett's comment. I know that she cares very much for Michael and that her comment is NOT a slight on him in any way. I wonder if she felt that the corporate side of the production (not Michael himself) may have been heavy handed in wanting to control her contribution and perhaps tried to buy her loyalty to the corporate side of the venture? The past tours Michael had done; Bad, Dangerous, History; were his productions. He was in control. He basically had the final say. TII was somebody elses production that he was encouraged to do after 2 years of negotiation. I'm speculating that once Siedah Garrett saw this, she didn't want to take part in a production that wasn't really Michael's. Again, just my speculation.

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  48. SandyK said: "Also, I'm still seeing some tabloids suggesting the Michael's kids were interviewed and infact are alledging that the kids want to buy back Neverland for their dad."

    Well, Taj Jackson confirmed it via his Twitter that Michael's kids were indeed interviewed: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/6i0nsn

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  49. Lady, I'm glad that your comment was posted. Infact, there were about 247 comments posted on that article. Far more than the L.A. Times normally gets on any article. The only other subject I've seen get that number of comments was the BP oil spill.

    I didn't read all 247 comments, but it did appear that most were very much in support of Michael and urged this lady to do her research before making UN-informed comments. I also saw many familiar names, some of which have posted here and some TINI related names such as Erin Jacobs. I do NOT support TINI but I did support Erin's comment per this particular issue.

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  50. Bonnie, you asked Anapassionheart what was meant by Siedah Garrett's statement during the Genius Without Borders seminar (from Seven's blog, the link was posted) that Siedah "was not for sale" in relation to not getting a job in the This Is It tour.

    I don't see a response from Ana; however I did read the lengthy and very interesting recap of this seminar when it was originally posted, and I believe Siedah was recounting how she was told the tour was intended to make as much money as possible for Michael and basically she was too expensive; they opted for the less known Judith Hill.

    Interesting concept by Ana that Siedah was the "mystery voice" in those videos. There is a post on the YT site itself by someone asking if it was Michael behind that computerized voice!

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  51. Lady, thanks for the update. Very dissappointing.

    I feel for Taj Jackson for having to make such an announcement.

    Concidering the history of her commentary regarding Michael over the years, I don't comprehend how she can sit accross from his current and past adult family members and ask bold questions of them? (I trust she was gentle with the kids. UGH!) Surely there is somebody out there that would have been more suitable than Oprah? Larry King? He is well aquainted with the family. Perhaps Robin Roberts of Goodmorning America?? She has more of a "gentle touch" interview style and infact interviewed Janet Jackson several months ago. I know. Too late now...:-(

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  52. June said, "I don't see a response from Ana; however I did read the lengthy and very interesting recap of this seminar when it was originally posted, and I believe Siedah was recounting how she was told the tour was intended to make as much money as possible for Michael and basically she was too expensive; they opted for the less known Judith Hill."

    Yes, this makes more sense than the speculative comment that I made...:-)

    Seven's article on this is a great read!

    Source that Anapassionheart posted:
    http://www.mj-777.com/?p=5695

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  53. June, do you have the link to the recap of the seminar?

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  54. I am appalled that Michael's children WERE interviewed by Oprah!

    How low can you get?!!

    I don't understand HOW or WHY Joe and Katherine would allow this to happen.

    I wish everyone would leave those kids alone and just let them be kids!

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  55. @ Lady,

    Kudos to you Lady, for speaking your mind and defending Michael's reputation to the LA Times!

    Hear! Hear!

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  56. I saw the video ad for Oprah's show with LMP.

    The questions Oprah asks are very specific.

    I hope LMP comes clean in every way.

    Otherwise, this could really be damaging to Michael's name.

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  57. Dearest Bonnie,

    I read this blog and it helped me so much. I have been in this delimna of mass confusion. Thank you for your incredible detailed work. I feel a sense of peace with what your blog has said. From here I can just be even more patient to see what happens from here. My hope being he is still here with us and if he is alive, and safe, that is all that matters, outside of the safety of his children. With love. Leslie Mercer

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  58. I counted 6 Questions from Oprah in that ad.


    The 6 Questions From Oprah


    Are you struck with the parallels between your Father's Life and Michael Jackson's Life?

    Was there a lot of Pressure for you to have a Baby?

    Why did the Marriage End?

    Did you suspect a Drug Problem?

    Do you think you could have Saved Him?

    Did he have to Die, for You to Recognize that he Loved You?
    _________________________________________________


    Lisa appears to be Extremely Uncomfortable in this interview.

    So MY Question is, Why did she agree to do it?

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  59. Josie - My answers to those six questions from Oprah . . . (paraphrasing possible LMP Answers)

    1.Are you struck with the parallels between your Father's Life and Michael Jackson's Life?

    ---- No. That's a stupid question.

    2. Was there a lot of Pressure for you to have a Baby?

    ---------- There was a lot of pressure when I HAD the babies.

    3. Why did the Marriage End?

    --------- Which one?

    4. Did you suspect a Drug Problem?

    Yes, and I think you should get help.

    5. Do you think you could have Saved Him?

    -------He didn't need saved. He needed people to LISTEN!

    6. Did he have to Die, for You to Recognize that he Loved You?

    ------ No, he had to die for people like you to leave him alone. I'm sorry it didn't work Michael.

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  60. Leslie said - "I read this blog and it helped me so much. I have been in this delimna of mass confusion. Thank you for your incredible detailed work. I feel a sense of peace with what your blog has said."

    Leslie your comment gave me peace. There is still a lot of confusion to come so please bear with it. This is 20+ years of quagmire in that man's life to unravel and bring to light. Lots of people were responsible for what happened to him and it won't be solved overnight. I have to keep telling myself that every day. Stay strong and prayer works. ♥
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    Josie said - "I am appalled that Michael's children WERE interviewed by Oprah!

    How low can you get?!!" Before you get excited, quite a few people are using tabloids and a misinterpreted comment from Taj Jackson, where he said Oprah spoke to the children, but NOT that they were interviewed. We will find out Thursday.

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  61. JUne said - "I believe Siedah was recounting how she was told the tour was intended to make as much money as possible for Michael and basically she was too expensive; they opted for the less known Judith Hill."

    I read this to the end (Seven's blog) and I was struck by the conflicting statements regarding her involvment in TII - First it was said (toward the bottom of that blog article) that Siedah ASKED to be part of TII. She had to audition and was not chosen. THEN she says she "couldn't be bought".

    Funny how no one else working on that film, including tech, backing vocals, long term MJ musicians didn't complain about pay, but she did and not until after she didn't make the cut? Sour grapes indeed.

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  62. SandyK said - "Bonnie, I'm VERY curious about Siedah Garrett's comment. I know that she cares very much for Michael and that her comment is NOT a slight on him in any way. I wonder if she felt that the corporate side of the production (not Michael himself) may have been heavy handed in wanting to control her contribution and perhaps tried to buy her loyalty to the corporate side of the venture?"

    Thank you Sandy. I did finally get over there to read that whole thing and watched that video (part 2) again. I posted my thoughts on this above in answer to June. :o)

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  63. Lady, I want to say thank you for your comment in response to the LA Times article on the abuse survivors group. Firstly, I'm going to be straight up and say that I was sexually abused as a child (one in five females here in Australia have been *sigh*). I'm not ashamed of it although I grew up with shame. My point is that sexual predators of children exist and much of society really don't want to know about that because it is ugly.

    However, Michael Jackson has been a part of my life for a long time and I am utterly and positively convinced that he was totally incapable of such a heinous act. I'm making that statement from personal exposure to these perpetrators and that is not even taking into account the lack of evidence from the 2005 trial.

    From my own feeling about Michael, there was not one thing that was creepy about him and he in fact made it his life mission to do everything in his power to actually protect the children who would be most vulnerable to these types of predators.

    Aside from all of that of course is the indisputable fact that a duly constituted court of law found him 100 per cent innocent. Some of these groups as well as mainstream media continue to overlook this essential historical fact of law.

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  64. Bonnie, Thanks so much again ~ yes, although I say I have a sense of peace, I have to say, there will never be total peace because of what has been done to Michael all of his life....just what you are doing is helping emensly because of how confusing, misleading and underhanded it all is :(( Thank you again. You have a way of unraveling the most minute details. Also, your lmp (paraphrasing) answers to Oprah's questions are absolutely perfect!

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  65. Now see, I like this one. I have been all over these videos this week and this has been the most objective one I have seen thus far.

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