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Michael Jackson Justice: Oprah on Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie

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Friday, October 22, 2010

Oprah on Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie

October 22, 2010 – Michael Jackson – Interpreting Lisa Marie



I have tried so hard not to be unkind to Lisa Marie while dissecting this interview.  I really did.  I watched this interview all the way through. Then I went back and watched again, stopping at points to note and record Lisa’s facial expressions, her body language, voice inflection, her eyes and the questions that were asked and answered.

Before this interview, I had not really watched any of Lisa Marie in the past.  I had to go back and watch other interviews she took part in (a previous Oprah interview, a Diane Sawyer interview with Michael for example) and I have to tell you, I have never been so disappointed in someone in my life.  I have no doubt that Michael did love Lisa.  However, try as I did, I did not see this same affection for Michael from Lisa Marie. 

I noticed nervousness with Lisa, I noticed a bit of bitterness, I saw and heard uneasiness and discomfort and aloofness.  I did not see love and I did not see compassion or empathy.  There was coldness in her face and her eyes.  Remember “The Nothing” in the “Neverending Story”?  If there was such a thing, I saw that in Lisa’s face.

Lisa Marie said she was selling an album in the first part of the interview.  How nice for her.  If her music holds the same spirit as her interview, I don’t predict an inspirational piece of work.

I have a completely different view of Lisa Marie Presley since this Oprah interview, which prompted me to view other interviews she’s given.  I have one question for her . . . What happened to your soul?  Where did you put it?  Because it most certainly is not with you.  Did Sony promise you license to your father’s songs in exchange for this self-contradicting interview?

You know what hurts the most?  Knowing that Michael LOVED this person, and THIS is what he got in return!   Thanks a lot Lisa!  I hope Michael’s fans do the same for your album in return!

As far as Oprah goes we can thank her for one thing . . . revealing who Lisa Marie really is.


Lisa Marie and Oprah


Part 1

In part one we are catching up with Lisa Marie. She has two adorable twin girls (very cute), which I did not know and she is married and was married when the news broke out about Michael dying.  In this first segment, she is asked about the marriage to Michael, if it was real and if she felt any differently about her relationship with Michael after his death. 

Lisa used the words “clarity” and “moment of clarity” often.  I also noticed that she as a bit uptight and nervous at the beginning of the interview. She had difficulty looking directly at Oprah when answering questions about the relationship.   This is the segment in which Lisa Marie mentions Michael’s manipulation of the press and his “creating” and that being the reason that she was unsure of where she stood in the relationship with him . . . as if she wasn’t sure if Michael’s affections for her were “manipulation” and she was part of that.

She touches on the drugs here also toward the end of part one, but I was disturbed watching her because she was very fidgety.  She “thought” that Michael’s collapse during the HBO special “may” have been drug related. This is when she began moving around in the chair, folding and unfolding her arms.   Oprah would press about the skin injections and what they were for and Lisa Marie stumbled over Michael’s various skin ailments he was treated for and ‘other various’ issues.  I wasn’t sure if she was uncomfortable talking about Michael’s health issues, or if she was uncomfortable saying something she wasn’t sure to be true.  She said the hospital wouldn’t give her a straight answer and that every day it was different.

This made me angry because she rambled through “Dehydration, low blood pressure, exhaustion, virus” like it would be abnormal for doctors to take time figuring out just why Michael collapsed.   Michael had collapsed for these reasons before.  He didn’t eat or maintain his fluids properly when on tour, he has said that many, many times.  She also stated that she would pick him up from a doctors office and at times he was not “coherent”.  Why was Lisa turning this into a drug issue? 

I smiled when I heard her talking about Michael “piddling around” the room at night when he couldn’t sleep and how it was kind of “endearing” to her.  I could imagine that.  I could actually see it in my mind’s eye.  She said he did have a hard time sleeping and that it was sometimes hard for her to sleep if he was up and wandering around.  I continued listening to the end of part one.

Part 2

Here Lisa Marie continues with the “role of taking care of him” and how normal the marriage was when they were united and together on the people around him.    She said she didn’t so much like the attention on her, but loved being next to him (not hard to imagine that sentiment).   

Oprah then asked her about Lisa’s “Highest highs” during the taking care of him, she wanted to know what the “lowest lows” were.  Here Lisa kind of pushes that into the background in favor of remembering the good things.  She stated that she felt she understood him more now then she ever did and she didn’t know why all this had to happen for her to realize that.  (Many also echo her sentiments here), then Oprah presses her more about the anger.  I did not believe Lisa’s statement here.  It sounded scripted.

Josie contributed this:  “On her Oprah interview with her mother she said she had No Idea MJ was going to kiss her in public at the MTV Award show.

Now, in this 2010 interview, she said she knew about the Kiss and was nervous about it. But she Knew About The Kiss all along!”

Here Lisa says that when the marriage ended she was very angry, “so angry” and she said that at some point he (Michael) pushed her out.    I found myself again getting angry because she explains the cause of the “pushing away” that Michael did was because of the drugs and the people surrounding him.  I know less about this time of his life then I do the latter part of his life so I continued with the interview, but I have to tell you I was getting angry.  I don’t know if it was the emphasis on drugs she kept trying to make or if it was her body language as she was speaking.

Michael and Lisa Marie


As Lisa Marie continued speaking about the “sycophants” in his life and how she felt disposable, she made reference to the “parallels” between what happened to her father and what happened to Michael.  When she said she didn’t understand why she had to go through it twice, she said it with a certain sense of detachment.  Her father I can understand was years ago, but with Michael, it was only last year.

Oprah further on, asks Lisa Marie if there was a part of her that did not want to see the truth in regard to her and Michael.  Lisa asks, “The truth in what way”, and Oprah leans over with this dramatized gaze, hand up on chin and says, “The truth about the drugs.”  I wanted to say, “Woman, let’s talk about the REAL truth here!  Let’s talk about the TRUTH about the industry in which you belong, working so hard twisting people’s lives around stakes before you burn them!  Let’s talk about what YOU DID to an innocent man  and LET’S TALK  ABOUT your obsession with running shows about Pedophiles right after interviews about Michael Jackson!”  And Lisa plays right into this.

Did either of these two women READ the autopsy report?  Oprah, we know you and Sony practically have carnal knowledge of each other (which would explain why she and Stedman never worked out).   Perhaps you could practice a little subtlety because that condescending gripping-the-chin thing just isn’t cutting it!

9:46 on part 2, the first of several contradictions (aside from the drugs) rears its ugly head.   Oprah asks Lisa Marie where Michael asked her to marry him.  She says in front of the fireplace, in the library at Neverland and she THINKS he got on his knees and proposed (she THINKS.  Lady if you cannot remember HOW Michael Jackson proposed to you, you are more self-involved that most thought!)  However in a previous interview with Diane Sawyer , Lisa Marie said Michael proposed to her over the phone and that is even documented on Wikipedia by a third party.  At 2:08 on this video you can hear both Michael and Lisa say that proposal was over the telephone.


At 11:43 on part two and after a lovely glimpse of part of the “You are Not Alone” video with Michael and Lisa Marie, Oprah asks Lisa if there was a lot of pressure for her to have a baby.  I watched her face intently as she talked about this.  Lisa’s response was that there was a lot of pressure from the time they got married.  She said she did want to, but was afraid of future custody battles and she didn’t want to go “head to head” with him.  This sounds disingenuous coming from someone who earlier in the interview stated that she did believe they were going to be married for keeps.  This story also contradicts her “I got outta that one” in a magazine interview and the “I thought he was too immature be a father” interview, which is also mentioned on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_relationships_of_Michael_Jackson

Next Oprah brings up the divorce.  She then asks Lisa how she felt when four months later, she finds out that Debbie Rowe is pregnant.  Lisa Marie explains this as a retaliatory act “on his part”.  So now Lisa Marie reduces Michael’s long desire to have children to an act of revenge?  Lisa Marie . . . you were divorced.  You told him you didn’t want to have children.  Michael discussed CRYING about that in previous interviews.  Are you telling us now that the only reason Michael had children was to get back at you?  This sounds more like something YOU would do, not Michael.  (breathe, doggone it!  Breathe!!!)



Michael, wherever you are, I am sure you now can see the BLESSING in disguise her answer was.   Oprah then offers that this is what Lisa Marie meant when she said she felt “disposable” because Michael would tell her that Debbie Rowe would do this for him.

{{{Let’s hypothesize here for a minute.  Let’s assume that aside from the reasons Lisa Marie gave for telling Michael to take a flying leap when he wanted to have children (after all, she already had children, why should she bother to make her husband happy), the facts are basically what she says.  Lisa Marie says “&*$%^#$ no, I’m not having your children”,  Michael begs her for the first mmmmm, let’s say six months or so that they are married and finally a few months before they divorce, Michael pours out his heart to his dermatologist, who has pretty much been one of the few steady people in Michael’s life.  Debbie Rowe, the nurse there, hears Michael or hears about Michael’s problem and tells Michael, “Well if she won’t I will”. (We’ve heard this happened from other sources.) 

Michael tells Lisa, “Look, I want children.  If you won’t be my wife, someone else will.”  Considering Lisa Marie’s privileged upbringing, she should totally understand this tactic.  I’m not sure Michael even worded it this way, but if he did, GOOD FOR HIM!}}}

Contributed from Josie again:  "Her not wanting to give MJ children ALSO played a big part in their Divorce, but she doesn't say this.   Only that she didn't want kids from MJ for fear of a Custody Battle later on.”

Lisa talked about Michael not understanding Lisa’s first husband going on vacation with them. (truth be told I didn’t understand that either.  My ex-husband does not go on vacation with me and we also had two children together.)  She told Oprah that if Michael felt uncomfortable or vulnerable, he would “ice you out”.  She said, “he would push you away and ice you out.”

Lisa . . . psychology 101 . . . People do that when someone is hurting them.  I was an expert at it when I was a child. That is called a DEFENSE MECHANISM.   I’ve seen Lisa’s face and I can tell you that is where the ice is.


Part 3

At the start of part 3, Lisa Marie is finishing her explanation of Michael’s insistence of “his-way-or-the-highway” or you were “out”.    Michael, according to his songs that he wrote as early as 1991 (before Lisa Marie) knew what was going on or just beginning to understand the surface of what was going on around him in regard to his music and the catalog.  He was not yet aware of Branca and his own then accountants, but his lyrics reflect some form of awareness.

She also states that four years after the divorce they still traveled or flew around the world to see each other.  This despite that Michael was married to Debbie Rowe?  There is nothing mentioned in the press about this (they would have been all over it) and Lisa Marie doesn’t even mention Michael’s children if this at all happened.  I find this very odd.  I also noticed that Lisa Marie was not among the invitees to the Jackson house, but Debbie Rowe was.  Just an observation.

Lisa Marie talks about Michael calling her in 2005 to “throw out a line” and feel her out as to where she was.  She doesn’t say if this is before, during or after the trial, but according to her recollection of the conversation, it could have very well been after the trial.  Michael is getting ready to leave the country or is making plans to.  Michael is mentally cohesive enough to discuss with Lisa Marie where she is and if she still loves him.  She then, without any tears or hesitation, tells Oprah that she told Michael she was “indifferent”, that Michael said he didn’t like that word, and that Michael cried.    Someone as dynamic as Michael, that she was married to, that she realized how much she loved him after he died (like many of us) and she talks about hurting him and making him cry like she just told him no, no cookies before dinner.

Michael Jackson Crucified - Lisa Marie Coddled

Something weird happens in this video at 4:04.  There is a break right before it, and then Oprah’s voice begins asking Lisa Marie about her standing at the casket, and almost right as she says “casket” this very deep, male voice says lightly “weigh” or “weight” in a low, baratone.  I went back over this seven or eight times and I cannot make out what it is or where the voice comes from.  Tell me you hear it, please!

Next, Oprah just has to ask the question . . . again, for the infinitively obnoxious number of times, “Did you see Michael do anything inappropriate with children.” 

Oprah . . . DID YOU?  Nobody ever has!  Got that?  Not ANYONE YOU’VE EVER INTERVIEWED ABOUT MICHAEL SINCE 1993!  If this fetish of yours is that intrusive then please . . . by ALL means call Roman Polanski and interview HIM on your show if that is the ONLY way you will EVER exercise this DEMON of yours!  Please!  How much did Sony pay you for THAT question?

Lisa Marie then says that during the Bashir documentary, MJ was either High or Sedated during that interview.   That is a crock.  I saw a Michael in pain.  I saw a Michael that was on the defensive and I saw a Michael was trying to joke around with someone he really did not know.  I saw a hesitant trust but I also got a sense that Michael was drawing himself tight for a blow he suspected may be coming. That is honestly what I got out of Michael’s demeanor during that whole documentary.  Could Michael have been drugged during part of it?  Certainly possible, considering who his “pals” were at the time.  Lisa Marie was right about one thing.  There were vultures around him, picking at him constantly even though he was still alive.  Lisa Marie also takes a lot of liberties in comparing Michael to her father.  Lisa Marie was nine years old when her father died.  Just how much did Elvis allow his daughter to witness his drug taking?  I just can’t picture that.  Lisa Marie lived with her mother most of the time.

Again, Oprah mentions Michael saying during the Bashir interview that it was okay to sleep with young children.  Oprah, you are disgusting.  Someone should have you investigated.  You talk about this so much one has to wonder how much you really wanted this to be true.  The obsession is bordering on criminal.  What kind of magazines do you have in YOUR house?

Lisa’s answers here were admirable in that she describes Michael as defiant, angry about the accusations which prompted him to say (paraphrased) “Yeah, I had children in my room . . . lots of them . . . at one time!  And we threw popcorn at each other and had a pillow fight.  So what!”  She also does describe the “manipulative and nasty” way in which the documentary was edited to do what was done to Michael.

Oprah asking Lisa Marie about what it felt like to stand next to his casket during the private funeral, Lisa Marie’s reaction was in a word . . . weird.  Just weird.  She scratches her head and says . . . “that was . . . uhmmmmm, that was . . . another . . . . six months to recover from.”  I guess indifferent is still a word she wants Michael to remember.  I don’t understand that answer, the reaction or the body language at all.  Bereaving?  Not a description I can even stretch to give to her. 

Michael’s Note found at Neverland During Raid . . . No Addictive Drugs


Again, toward the end of the interview, the issue of drugs and if Lisa Marie could have stopped it or saved him.  I want to know just what it is these two women think they are selling us.

The autopsy report listed no drugs.  For a human being that was SUPPOSEDLY high all the time during the eight months the Bashir interview was shot, and for the suggestion they want to put forth that drug abuse killed him, where is the evidence of this, Lisa Marie, Oprah, in the autopsy report ?  Where was all the damage that would have had to be evident to his body after a 20 year drug binge???  His organs were in good condition. The ONLY THING they found was what that DOCTOR GAVE HIM INTRAVENOUSLY that night. And what KILLED HIM was the Propofol! 

Just what is the motive here for this interview?   Because I can tell you, love?  Not there!  Indifference?  Detachment?  Yes it is there.

I also caught the rest of that Diane Sawyer interview posted above . . . does it strike anyone as odd that Michael himself said that he asked BRANCA to get in touch with Lisa Marie in 1993?    Just another thought.  Everything that guy seemed to touch pre-humously concerning Michael turned to crap.

They closed the interview laughing after Lisa Marie said this was the last one she was doing about Michael.  The only thing missing from this interview what the “high-five”.

Fine if you want to move on.  But the sincerity left a lot to be desired.

I felt physically ill after watching this interview.  The only thing Lisa Marie defended Michael on was the child molestation issue and the Bashir documentary in relation to that subject.  I had a hard time believing there was any affection from Lisa’s in regard to Michael.  Completely unconvincing.

Oprah’s questions were textbook tabloid.  Lisa’s answers could have been typed out from Sony Pictures Studios . . . here . . .say this, and say this, defend him here, but push the drug thing and don’t forget to use your father as a comparison.  Yes, that is exactly how I felt watching this.  Charitable of me?  No it is not and I admit it.  Lisa Marie lied.  Why?   She lost any integrity with me with the first mention of the drugs and then when she couldn’t even remember where and how Michael proposed to her.  It was a deliberate lie and considering the complete disrespect in adding the “on the knee” thing.  I have to wonder if she can’t even remember how Michael proposed to her just 17 short years ago, just who it is that needs to be tested for drugs?

The purpose of this interview is one of two:

  1. Oprah and Lisa Marie needed to sell the “drug addict” story to the public to cover someone’s a**.

  1. Oprah covertly exposes Lisa Marie as the selfish, soul-less narcissist she is to the rest of the world in preparation for the TRUTH that will come out during her interview with Miss Katherine.

I would HOPE number 2, but on this planet unfortunately, I vote for it being number 1.

***UPDATE***

I will be amending this interview as I get time.  I am in the middle of a relocation out of state, and trying to get these blog updates in on newsworthy interviews in a timely manner is becoming difficult.  I want to be fair and I am allowing those who see things I  miss or don't cover enough on this particular interview to provide feedback.  It is important enough to take the extra time to go back over this interview with that in mind.

Anyhow, please forgive me.  I'm not trying to be quick to judge.  I wrote this while still angry and like I said, the information I am getting in from a few friends is important and I want to review this interview again with that in mind.

This is why your CONSTRUCTIVE feedback is so important.

One of the issues brought to light is the editing done with these interviews, someone pointed out three camera's and some initial reactions from Lisa Marie not caught on certain questions . . . very important things like that in which I am missing because I'm rushing due to lack of time (thank you Hope, Spotlight, Simo and CathyL . . . all of you).   I love you for caring and for the very sweet and tender way you let me know some of the parts of the interview that need more of our attention.

God Bless You . . . and Lisa Marie, wherever you are out there, please lend me your patience.  I don't agree with you, but you deserve a fair review on this interview. 


Just to give you an idea of the PRESSURE my husband is putting on me now this move is upon us.  I have NOT helped him much until this weekend SOOOOOO, I wanted to share with you what my husband LEFT me in my email this morning . . .

I woke up one morning and THIS is how I found my wife . . . .
I was rolling when I saw this!  Message Recieved, LOL!



Michael Jackson Victim of Indifference


146 comments:

  1. Lisa,remains indifferent,thanks Bonnie.

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  2. Thank you Bonnie,
    I just wanted to say - about Michael and Lisa's continuing relationship after their divorce - there's plenty of photographs of the two of them (in South Africa, London, etc) and Michael himself talked about that to the very honourable (not) Rabbi Schmuley... they were on and off until 1999 at least.
    And, to be more precise, Michael recalled how Lisa would write both him and Katherine desperate letters declaring how she would carry nine of his children, she'd do anything to have him back.... but (Michael's words again) "he had closed his heart by then", because he had felt so betrayed by how she lied about the pill.
    This is what Michael stated, and I don't see why he would lie about that. I guess after 1999/2000 she really grew cold out of defence, and she detached from him and their past in order to get on with her life. I can relate to that, in all honesty.
    Also, about the marriage proposal - call me clueless but - idk, maybe yes, he proposed over the phone AND then he also did the real thing by the fireplace, I would not think that so strange... my opinion, of course.
    But the drugs - the drugs. Oprah sounds like She is the one with an addiction issue, the way she constantly kept going back there. So unnerving.
    Blessings!

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  3. Mabela - Yes, I agree. Something is wrong here.
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    Simo - Hi! Several things:

    I could not link to anything in regard to Lisa Marie and Michael "back together" and the "Schmuley" interview seemed kind of slanted at that part about Lisa. I did remember the information regarding Michael saying Lisa was trying to get back with him, but again, I had nothing to link to. The only place I had heard that was on Karen Faye's page (have to look at Schmuley's book again) and of course I wasn't sure whether to add it or not because I thought Karen and Lisa did not get along and Karen may have just said that. I was trying to be fair. If you have a link already available or saved I will definitely add it to the blog.

    Proposal - In the Diane Sawyer interview they said nothing about a fireplace, on one knee or a library. In this particular Oprah interview LMP said nothing about over the phone, or "what would you say if I asked you to marry me". Why would you assume that both happened if it is not recorded anywhere?

    You are right. Oprah was on the addiction issue AND the "inappropriate with children" issue.

    Thank you!

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  4. Bonnie, here are my feelings on the interview (drumroll, please.....LOL!):

    I can’t comment on all of that lovey-dovey stuff because I don’t know them personally, but I will say that I am PROFOUNDLY DISAPPOINTED with her answer regarding the allegations. For her to say that only MJ and Jordie/Gavin know what really happened is tantamount to saying he’s guilty! If she was so unsure of his innocence, then why did she marry him and allow him to be around her kids? I’m surprised Oprah didn’t follow up with that question!

    LMP should know EVERYTHING about that case (especially since she was telling him he should settle the civil case), and her defense of MJ’s innocence should be UNEQUIVOCAL, not that wishy-washy crap that she displayed yesterday.

    And if Oprah even has to ASK if there was any inappropriate conduct, then that shows that she too has doubts about MJ’s innocence. If she has doubts, then why on earth is she interviewing his parents and (possibly) his kids? Why did she promote “This Is It” last year?

    I don't know if I'm more upset about LMP's ambiguous answer, or Latoya HUGGING Victor Gutierrez earlier this year! Both of them are in a position to know FAR MORE about the allegations then us fans, yet they both exercised poor judgement in their actions. LMP should have just given an emphatic defense of MJ, and Latoya should have SPIT in VG's face when she saw him!

    And one last thing: I want to show the hypocrisy of people who still call their marriage a "sham" or "publicity stunt": In August 2002 LMP married Nicolas Cage, but he filed for divorce in November 2002, just a little more than 3 months later. The divorce was finalized in May 2004, almost 18 months later! The divorce proceedings lasted 6 times as long as their marriage! How come nobody calls THAT a sham?

    Oh, that's right, because Nicolas Cage is "normal"!!!

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  5. From Mesrak - (Mimi)

    Bonnie - every time I want to post, I get this error code. BX-88IZUV. I don't know what it means. Do you? In the mean time, can you post this for me?
    Bonnie - I will wait until you put the blog up about Oprah and LMP. But I want to emphasize though about the very good Point you made. "It WAS the point of the interview and maybe for Lisa Marie to redeem herself to Michael's fans since she is working on a album."

    That is the most significant one of all the interview. when Oprah asked her on the start of her interview why she wants to do this interview, she talked about her upcoming record release and she wants to do this to clear everything. To clear everything of what? Not to clear anything but to gain Michael's fans so they can run and go to buy her record. She failed as you said miserably in the eyes of many fans while 95% of her interview making Michael look like a DRUG ADDICT. I am desperately hurt.

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  6. Mimi - You and me both are hurt by this. I could not believe it. I know some want to give Lisa Marie the benefit of the doubt, but when you sit there and bald-face lie to someone about Michael's death and her father's death being "identical" when everyone KNOWS the circumstances are QUITE different. No one was charged in Elvis's death and No one threatened Elvis's life over a multi-billion dollar catalog. You would think Oprah would have dug into that but she didn't.

    Now, the fact that they did NOT cut that out of the interview is very, very interesting. I am wondering about that (who did the editing of this???) That little piece of un-pursued information is going to play a part in something. You wait and see!

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  7. Lisa's Record Label:

    # Audio CD (April 5, 2005)
    # Number of Discs: 1
    # Format: Explicit Lyrics
    # Label: Capitol

    Capital Records was bought by EMI (a past Bandier Company) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Records

    Sony put in bid for EMI in May of this year:

    ""We are in a position that allows us to seize every opportunity in the market - including EMI," the head of Sony Music, Rolf Schmidt-Holz, was quoted as saying by German Sunday paper Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung." Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE64808T20100509 and also here:

    http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i44a6d765a3ffecb1b12e65d7d691df4b

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  8. I don't want to argue, but it is common knowledge that Michael and Lisa were together until 1999. His marriage to Debbie Rowe was more of a business arrangement, but he and Lisa were still trying to work things out. Michael said in the Life magazine interview that Lisa regretted that she wasn't Prince's mother.

    The press was indeed "all over" their post marital relationship. Every time they were seen traveling together the speculation on the tabloid TV shows would run rampant.

    When Lisa flew to London with her children to join Michael on the History tour, the press wrote that they were very cozy, holding hands and staying at the same hotel. There are several youtube videos to back this up.

    In fact, just as Lisa said on Oprah, she and Michael traveled all over the world together. When they traveled to South Africa, they were joined by Katherine, Joseph, Omer and Lisa's kids. There is video and photos showing them para-sailing and attending functions together. There have been some people that call themselves insiders that say that Michael wrote Break Of Dawn about the time he spent with Lisa there.

    When Debbie was pregnant with Paris, Michael took Lisa to The Ivy Restaurant to celebrate her 30th birthday. They were photographed snuggling and kissing outside the restaurant. After the pictures broke in the tabloids, the press went wild. A very pregnant Debbie went on one of the tabloid shows and said the Michael and Lisa were still very close and it was fine with her. She said that her friendship with MJ was the most important thing and she wanted him to be happy. This interview is also on youtube.

    In the recent Oprah interview I was pleased to hear LMP finally admit to what we already knew, that she and Michael were lovers and in love for many years after the marriage was over.

    Thank you.

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  9. Bonnie, hi to you :)
    thanks, I'll try and look for links regarding what Michael related to the Rabbi about Lisa's desire to get back to him - I distinctly remember having heard it from Michael's very voice, no doubt about that. It could have been on the Rabbi's website, there were audio clips from the book. Or maybe another site, but they were definitely audio clips from the book. I'll get back to you as soon as I find something (it was a few months ago anyway).

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  10. Bonnie, I put a comment about this LMP interview with O on your blog last night about Mrs. Jackson. I'm sorry for going off topic there, but I was just so angry about that interview and wanted to vent.

    Not that I'm any less angry today, but at least I'm posting on the correct blog!

    Simo refers to LMP's pursuit of Michael for four years after the divorce, which she herself Lisa stated during the interview; trying to work out how they might get back together. Don't know if that part is true (trying to get back together - she probably more likely "stalked" him realizing the mistake she had made) but there is at least one visual of them together post-divorce of which I am aware, an ET youtube vid of Lisa and her children backstage in Europe during the History tour (clip says she was his "guest").

    LMP's comment about Michael collapsing before the HBO show at the Beacon in NYC, she says there were differing stories as to what happened to him. His treating physician at the NYC hospital is on record as stating he was dehydrated, had a virus, and it's 14 years ago, what's the motive NOW for claiming this was "drug related"?

    The Bashir doc - where does she get off saying he was "high". I repeat what I said on the other post. That vicious interview was done over an 8 month period. Michael never looked high during any of it. He looked troubled and unsure in whom to place his trust. God, he opened his door and his heart to this charlatan, and now, his former wife sticks this "drug" knife in his back.

    I'm old enough to remember Elvis and the circumstances of his death pretty well. Elvis Presley was discovered at about 20 years of age; had a great ten year career, but by 33 years of age, in 1968, he made his "comeback" special. From 1968 through his death in 1977, he toured and became the toast of Vegas. LMP was born in 1968; Elvis was not around her much; Elvis and Priscilla divorced when Lisa was 4 or 5; Lisa lived with Priscilla; Elvis tried to reconcile with Priscilla but she did not want him back. Point being, what does Lisa know of her father except through arranged visits to Graceland when she was a small child, what Priscilla has told her and what she has read about him?

    At 33 years of age, the same age Elvis was in the "comback" special, Michael was at the zenith of his career. Michael's career consumed 45 of his 50 years. Elvis was a flash in the pan by comparison.

    Lisa, finding similarities in the outcomes of both lives, shows how little she knew about her father, and how much less she knew about the man to whom she was married and who loved her deeply.

    Michael's death was a homicide, the only drugs in his system being those pumped in by Murray. Elvis Presley accidentaly overdosed by his own hand. This should be the focus.

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  11. CynthiaL - You have a lot more information in your post then I've been able to find online. You are allowed to post these if they are relevant to the subject we are talking about. I have been unable to find anything verifying the exhorborant amount of time you say they spent together. I did find reference of Michael stating that Lisa Marie did try to pursue him, but this "love"? Michael really entertained Lisa after those God-awful interviews in which she trashed him right after they divorced? Post some links because I'm not buying this.

    You also said -

    "In fact, just as Lisa said on Oprah, she and Michael traveled all over the world together. When they traveled to South Africa, they were joined by Katherine, Joseph, Omer and Lisa's kids. There is video and photos showing them para-sailing and attending functions together."

    Post them because I have been unable to find them. What did you search under?

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  12. Hi Simo - Hi. Thank you. I found what Michael said in the book. If you can find the link to the recording, that would be more effective to post I think. I'm looking . . . I thought I had these but my bookmark library is now huge (sigh).

    I can believe Lisa Marie tried to get back with Michael, but for what reason? I believed he loved her, but did she love him? I see it in his face but not hers. I am trying!

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  13. Okay, I found two videos on You Tube from a dateline interview with the Rabbi (eeww).
    the first:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owu1bkBtTbI
    I recommend skipping directly to 2.00 minutes in, where Michael speaks about Lisa for a few seconds, the ignoring the rest of it since the rabbi and the journalist do way too much talking and comments...
    now I can't seem to find audio for the rest, but here http://www.etonline.com/news/79246_Michael_Jackson_s_Marriage_Heartbreak_Lisa_Marie_Didn_t_Want_Children/index.html
    you find it written down just like I remember hearing it.

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  14. There, it says a little more:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5YZ3xkwUc8

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  15. Lisa Marie with Michael (and his family) in South Africa, late 1997
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGo_PgKDYCM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JptAwFCRyL8&feature=related

    there's quite a lot of picture from that trip that show Lisa Marie.
    Love, I promise I'm finished posting links, afraid I took up too much space, lol.

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  16. Oh yes I remember listening to the tapes were he, MJ, talked about how his heart had closed to
    Lisa becaused she lied about having children. Yes they did spend time together after the divorce for years but it was never on the level as it was in the beginning. In fairness to her I am sure she regrets some of her decisions in regards to her relationship with MJ as most of us may have experienced in our own personal life. We must remember that she has a new husband and while he may be supportive of her purging her feelings in regards to MJ they are married and need to move forward in thier relationship.

    Bonnie I believe in fairness. As much as we, his fans, would have loved her to say more in support of MJ in certain areas we must remember that this interview was edited as well. We don't know whats on the outtakes. We must remember that she is entitled to some privacy in regards to the relationship she had with MJ and we are not privy to everything. I believe she has struggled with her feelings and continue to do so. This may be something that she will carry the rest of her life. I do hope she finds true peace in her life.

    I am still very suspicious as stated before. Although I believe she has the right to move forward in her life, I feel she did this interview to get this out of the way before her new CD comes out so it will be about her and not her past relationship/marriage to MJ. If there is a backlash from his fans she rather deal with it know rather than dealing with it when she is promoting her CD. Thats understandable but I am still suspicious.

    I am curious to see what else comes to light before the "trial".

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  17. I'll start by saying Oprah is disgusting with her leading questions, filling in blanks and Harp-o-ing...bullDOGGING the drugs and allegations issues. We knew the subject of Michael's humanitarianism would not be breached since Oprah has been crowned the #1 black philanthropist...of all time!?!

    "In 2005, Business Week named her the greatest Black philanthropist in American history."

    http://www.biography.com/articles/Oprah-Winfrey-9534419?part=1

    "Oprah's $151 million in gifts and pledges to various charities earns her the distinction of being the first African-American on BusinessWeek's list." (So...how does that measure up to Michael's giving?)

    http://www.urbanmecca.com/artman/publish/article_174.shtml

    lcpledwards74's statement - "her defense of MJ’s innocence should be UNEQUIVOCAL, not that wishy-washy crap that she displayed yesterday."

    I agree. If she would have stopped prior to that statement it would have been ok. Not great, but ok. It seemed to me that she was feeling pressure, which resulted in her saying too much on several occassions. I wish she would have had the guts to shut Oprah down on some questions. But who knows what ended up on the cutting room floor.

    Aside from those things, I probably have an unpopular view here. Apart from Lisa Marie's ignorance about the drug issue, (perhaps stemming from a predisposition as a result of issues surrounding the loss of her father?) I do not feel or see much negative coming from her in this interview. I see a lot of love for Michael. I like her, appreciate her perspective. I'm just not convinced that she's a bad person with an agenda.

    I was glad she skirted Oprah's question about standing next to Michael's casket. That's how I see her answer - she avoided, didn't want to tell the world. A wise and very personal choice in my opinion.

    The two proposals...

    Diane Sawyer's questions:

    1:13 - "Who proposed, how did marriage get discussed?"

    Michael backtracked to when Lisa was 18, didn't answer the question.

    1:55 - "What was the countdown to your marriage, tell me who said the word marriage first?"

    Michael said "I did", Lisa said "He did. On the telephone, he first asked me. He said what would you do if I asked you to marry me? I said, I would."

    Come on now, that is not a true proposal. But, in front of a fireplace at Neverland with a ring is. I don't see the discrepancy.

    I appreciate and respect her revealing her feelings and new insight on Michael. Minus the the two things I previously mentioned.

    Overall, I see a much more mature and grounded Lisa Marie from her 2005 interview with Oprah. It's true, she has lost her insulting bitterness and hostility toward Michael, which was very apparent in 2005. Now, she just has some more to learn about destructive campaigns, Michael's heart and his mission.

    My opinion...subject to change at any time! :o)

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  18. Talk About Keeping It "ALL IN THE FAMILY!"

    LMP had her 1st Ex. Husband and kids along with her Mother stand up for her 4th Wedding!

    In Japan!

    Her 1st Ex. Husband was the Best Man and her Daughter was the Maid of Honor, her Son was a Groomsman and her Mother gave her away.

    There are also some interesting quotes from LMP.

    Click link below:

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1070086/bio

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  19. I will answer more of you questions when I get home.

    Lisa and MJ in South Africa
    starts at 1:21

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGo_PgKDYCM

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  20. Lisa and Michael in London during the History Tour-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaX607Grc8E

    Michael and Lisa at the Ivy-
    starts at :31

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uw9JJUsIk8

    Debbie's interview-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an3121VHROI

    These are just the ones that I could find in just a few minutes. Be back later.

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  21. Simo - Okay on this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owu1bkBtTbI (I almost did not want to post this one it is so degrading and miserable. Rabbi No-Teeth . . . I fast-forwarded to 2minute mark: Listened. Yes, he wanted babies . . . He said Lisa Marie did not want children. So she lied both to HIM and to US in saying she did want children but worried about custody.

    And at the etonline link it says:
    "The Jackson tape goes on to say, "After we got divorced, she would hang out with my mother all the time. I have all these letters she sent: 'I'll give you nine children. I'll do whatever you want.' And, of course, the press doesn't know of these stories. And she just tried for months and months, and I became too hardhearted at that point. I had closed my mind on the whole situation."

    This does not verify that Michael and Lisa were together (at least not in this part) only that Lisa would hang out with Michael's mother and that LISA would try to get back with Michael. Funny in this Michael says HE is the one who grew hard-hearted.

    This link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5YZ3xkwUc8

    Yes, exactly what I needed and I will post thos one above. However, I hate how they cut the tape and Schmuley adds his own narrative at 2:23. Michael does not mention in any of these that he and Lisa Marie try to get back together or try to work it out, but he does say that SHE attempts to.

    The African Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGo_PgKDYCM Shows Lisa Marie, her children and Omar but where is Michael's son Prince? The poster of the video says the video is late 1997 but no date on the video itself and it is posted in August of 1997 and prince would have been about six or more months old (depending on when this was.) So where is he?

    Prince was born February of 1997 and THIS was going on during that timeframe: "The album was promoted with the successful HIStory World Tour. The tour began on September 7, 1996, and finished on October 15, 1997. Jackson performed 82 concerts in 58 cities to over 4.5 million fans, and grossed up a total of $165 million. " source
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson


    This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JptAwFCRyL8&feature=related Was posted on August of 2009. It is "titled" Michael and Omar Holidays 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JptAwFCRyL8&feature=related I saw Miss Katherine but not Lisa Marie.

    Someone is sending me something else so hang in there . . . .

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  22. Everyone - Thank you for posting the videos. So much more helpful this way. Why did Michael not mention any of this in previous interviews? (says LMP wrote him letters afterwards).

    Something else . . . I'm running out of time to view all these. CynthiaL, I have your two previous posts I have not moderated yet so I can look at the videos when I get back on here, then I will post them.

    There is also a video I remember having but now it's been removed. Not sure when it was but both Michael's sister Janet and LMP were in the audience. LMP looked thoroughly pissed and Janet was in awe of her brother. I think they were still married. Lisa looked totally cold or angry. Not sure what tour it was. Anyone remember this?

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  23. (To Me) there was NO "Setting The Record Straight" in this interview, at all!

    It seemed more like a ploy to establish Michael Jackson as a Drug Addict.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Sony was behind this entire interview!

    Oprah is the ONLY ONE Lisa would talk to!

    THAT FACT alone Speaks Volumes! (To Me)

    I DON'T TRUST OPRAH!

    And Now,

    I DON'T TRUST LISA!

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  24. Bonnie said

    There is also a video I remember having but now it's been removed. Not sure when it was but both Michael's sister Janet and LMP were in the audience. LMP looked thoroughly pissed and Janet was in awe of her brother. I think they were still married. Lisa looked totally cold or angry. Not sure what tour it was. Anyone remember this?


    Josie says: Yes Bonnie, I remember Lisa mentioned this in her 1st Oprah interview in 2005.

    She said she hadn't seen Michael in weeks and the next time she saw him was when he appeared on stage.

    He acted like nothing was wrong and it made her mad. He wanted her to just pick up where they left off, like everything was fine.

    I think she also mentioned there were times when she had to make an appointment to see him!

    Can you imagine having to make any appointment to see or talk to your Husband!?

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  25. I do understand LMP up to a point.

    She mentions how MJ would disappear for weeks on end and then suddenly appear again and wanted her to accept this.

    Like I said, in my opinion, being married to MJ was probably like being married to a Corporation

    He was very busy and in demand from so many people.

    Lisa was tired of having to go through the chain of command, just to see her Husband.

    I can understand this.

    And this is exactly what I meant when I said being married to a "Corporation."

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  26. As far as the marriage proposal goes, I can see where Lisa may have told the truth.

    Maybe Michael didn't want to tell the world he proposed in a romantic way. He was raised to believe that things like that, are NOT to be shared, even with Family.

    That's why his family never invited each other to their weddings. They didn't believe in it.

    So Lisa may have been telling the truth only, I wish she would have clearified this for us.

    I'm trying to remember where I got this information from.

    It was the book Moonwalker.

    I'll find out the page number and post it.

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  27. Bonnie Said:


    There is also a video I remember having but now it's been removed. Not sure when it was but both Michael's sister Janet and LMP were in the audience. LMP looked thoroughly pissed and Janet was in awe of her brother. I think they were still married. Lisa looked totally cold or angry. Not sure what tour it was. Anyone remember this?
    _________________________________________________



    Bonnie, this link should answer your question.

    Oprah talks about this toward the end of the tape. Around 4:00.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7HUfwdtaXo

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  28. Bonnie, the vid you are seeking is from the 1995 MTV VMA's; Michael was amazing, one of his best performances, yes Lisa didn't look very happy.

    You asked where Prince was, if that video with Lisa, her kids and Omer reflected events in September 1997, you are right, Prince would have been about six months. Probably home with Debbie.

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  29. @lcpledwards - "nd one last thing: I want to show the hypocrisy of people who still call their marriage a "sham" or "publicity stunt": In August 2002 LMP married Nicolas Cage, but he filed for divorce in November 2002, just a little more than 3 months later. The divorce was finalized in May 2004, almost 18 months later! The divorce proceedings lasted 6 times as long as their marriage! How come nobody calls THAT a sham?

    Oh, that's right, because Nicolas Cage is "normal"!!! "



    LOL!!!! You do have a point!

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  30. June - Thank you ma'am! It's not that I wanted it to see Lisa's face so much as I just LOVE Janet's reaction to Michael's performace. I could just FEEEEEEEEL Janet's "I-can't-believe-he's-my-brother" look on her face.

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  31. Thank you Josie♥ for the link. I am awaiting some confirmation of something before I elaborate and if it is significant I WILL ammend this blog to reflect additional information.

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  32. Everyone - There are some things that I should have also included in this write up but I was rushing (trying to move too) so I will be ammending this. I want to add some information to see what you all think. A friend of mine mentioned some of these things I missed or just touched on within these videos and added her comments. I think they are important.

    Yes, this information could change how I feel about LMP except maybe the drug issue. Geeze, I wish I had MORE TIME to look uninterrupted at this but I don't and I'm sorry, so I have to rely on you guys to please help me with the things I miss. This is going to get tougher throughout the next two weeks as we are moving into our new home.

    Forgive me? ♥

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  33. Bonnie, thank you for this excellent blog. I'm giving this link to let people know what really happened there.:)

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  34. Dear Bonnie, All I can say is thank you, and from the bottom of my heart I could not have said what you said in your blog one word better. Standing strong for Michael and his children, forever and always. Leslie Mercer

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  35. Bonnie, that was a great "play by play" analysis of a ping-pong match where both players fixed the game ahead of time! Your interpretations of Lisa Marie's body language, tone and shallow delivery really hit the mark. The back and forth exchange seemed scripted, as if Lisa Marie was waiting for cues from Oprah. Another annoyance is how Lady O interrupted LMP several times to finish the answer for her, at times even interpreting what Lisa wanted to say!

    Having seen enough LMP interviews over the years, in my opinion she is one of the most boring individuals I have ever listened to! Were it not for the fact that she was married to Michael and we want to hear what she has to say about him, I cringe at her inability to speak in complete sentences. She does a lot of "ummm," looking down and away, pauses, choppy phrases and "I don't know." One would think LMP had enough time to think things through and be prepared to articulate effectively. I am actually surprised that Michael could have found LMP a compatible mate in terms of meeting on similar intellectual and philosophical planes. Sorry, Lisa, you could have fooled me!

    LMP's speech pattern lacks emotion - the note scale that either makes a voice pleasant to hear, or gets you in the pit of your stomach! Some would describe it as monotone, but I call it "flatline." I'm not being critical for the sake of criticism, but we are trying to analyze Lisa Marie's demeanor and body language insofar as her relationship with Michael is concerned.

    The interview would have been relatively harmless and uneventful had it not been for the fixation on Michael's drug use (by both LMP and Oprah), which is starting to unnerve me! As you said, have they read the autopsy reports? How many times are we going to hear these outright LIES being perpetuated about Michael's drug addiction when the reports totally contradict a drug overdose? Yes...Oprah's hand-on-chin gesture when asking if LMP didn't want to face the truth "about the drugs...?" (barf bag at the ready!).

    Did you feel an icy chill go through you listening to Lisa talk about people wanting to kill Michael? My God, she threw it in, and dismissed it like some casual side remark! Forget that people were out to harm or kill Michael when there are more important things to rehash for the umpteenth time! Lisa Marie sunk to an all-time low when she hung Michael out to dry with that ambiguous innuendo, "only he and Jordie/Gavin know what really happened!" To say this after adamantly defending him on Diane Sawyer? Now suddenly she's not really sure? There are too many blatant distortions and inconsistencies, and the more I think about it, the more I see SONY rearing its ugly head!

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  36. Some items of interest:

    ##
    Here is the video of Michael performing YANA at the '95 MTV Awards, looking absolutely gorgeous - sexy sweat and all! LMP is seen at 3:48 with a really crummy expression on her face.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO82sxXBQkM&feature=fvsr

    *Regarding that famous TV kiss in the photo above, just for the record, I would have given anything to have Michael's arms around me that night, whether it was spontaneous or not. Just to be in the embrace of a man whose heart, soul and passion were as big as the universe would have been a joy beyond compare. To hear Lisa talk about that night and complain that Michael used her to stir up the audience, give me a break! You're in show business, King of Rock 'n Roll's daughter - and Michael WAS show business! You don't marry a man like Michael Jackson and bitch about being in the spotlight. Stop being so full of yourself!

    ##
    In one of the videos you posted on your previous blog in defense of Ms. Katherine, the interviewer, Daphne Barak asks her the following question (paraphrasing here):

    "Michael has had some relationships with woman and girlfriends in his life. Which one did you like the best for your son?"

    Katherine paused for just a second and said, "NONE OF THEM." That would mean she included Lisa Marie in that answer! Mothers watch for certain signs that a lesser trained eye would not see. Perhaps Katherine saw that Michael was not "happy." We know he wasn't.

    ##
    Did you read what Michael wrote on that drug note you posted above? It's amazing how little things make me cry and this note did, maybe because it's written in Michael's handwriting, and it shows how human and vulnerable he was. His misspelled words (in caps) make him all the more precious to me, and so sad that someone could have taken better care of him, but didn't:

    "Buprenex does the same as demerol, the only difference is you cannot become an addict on buprenex. Buprenex - synthetic demerol. 2 VILES I would feel safe having it, in case of AXIDENT."

    Just seeing the word "accident" spelled with an X really tugged at my heart. Michael was concerned enough to research a drug for dependency risks and it breaks my heart that he didn't have the proper medical specialists managing his health and pain issues.

    ##
    The photo above of LMP standing over Michael's casket was at the "private" funeral. It wasn't the Staples memorial on July 7th nor the Sept. 3rd televised funeral at Forest Lawn. Wasn't the private funeral for the "viewing" of Michael's body? Once again, this is a CLOSED casket. Just wondering when the actual viewing took place. How many private funerals were there? Still finding it hard to believe that such a beloved entertainer would be prepared and dressed like royalty for his final resting place, and yet no one got to see him one last time?

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  37. Bonnie-
    Here's the link to the video of Michael singing to Lisa.

    Starts at 3:23-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqgmaxyhdxc

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  38. I MUST SAY:

    I may have been wrong about Lisa on 2 counts.


    1.
    THE MARRIAGE PROPOSAL may have been both on the phone and later a romantic fireplace - Offical Proposal.

    Like I said before, Michael's family did not believe in sharing these intimate moments with others. Not even family members.

    So this may have been why Michael never mentioned this fireplace romantic proposal in the Diane Sawyer interview in 1994.


    2.
    THAT KISS, it may have been that Michael didn't tell Lisa he was going to kiss her in front of all those people at the MTV Awards, until just before they went on stage.

    That would mean, Lisa had NO SAY in the matter and at THAT TIME, she may have felt Michael was using her.

    I can understand Lisa on these 2 counts and Now I realize she may very well, have been telling the truth.

    I will give her the benefit of the doubt here.
    ________________________________________________

    BUT.................

    I disagree with Lisa implying that Michael was a Drug Addict.

    That I simply DO NOT BELIEVE!

    And because of that and the fact that she is friends with Oprah...I Do Not Trust Her! (Lisa)

    I think Lisa did more Harm than good to Michael's REPUTATION and NAME!

    I wish this interview NEVER happened!

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  39. Here is what Michael said in his book “Moon Walk” right after he wrote his song “Heartbreak Hotel” when people making connection "Heartbreak Hotel with Elvis song “This Place Hotel”:

    “By the time our song (Heartbreak Hotel) come out, people thought that if I kept living in seclusion the way I was, I might die the way he (Elvis) did. The parallels aren’t there as far as I’m concerned and I was never much for scare tactics. Still, the way Elvis destroyed himself interest me, because I don’t ever want to walk those grounds myself.”

    This shows Michal did everything not to fall in drug addiction trap. Of course he took some pain killers to alleviate his pain just like any one of us do but to actually took legal drug to get high is completely false.

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  40. Bonnie, when I first watched the interview I honestly didn't know what to make of LMP. Oprah of course was her usual boring self like a dog with a bone on the drug issues. She just wasn't going to let it go.

    I really felt that LMP had an opportunity to share more with us about her life with Michael but really she gave very little out and was closed. I personally think she played a game with him by leaving him and divorcing and she lost. Michael was very clear in his conversations with the Rabbi about the fact that his feelings had changed. He also elaborated by saying he didn't think he was good husband material and was more of a rolling stone which I thought was very cute. So yeah obviously they saw each other after the breakup and maybe they discussed getting back together but most people who are still in love with each other would simply find a way to make it work. They didn't and I believe Michael when he said that he closed his heart to her.

    There were so many departures from what's previously gone on the record that I was just plain confused. I have no doubt that LMP was so bitter over her bad decision in leaving the marriage and not being able to get it back that she remained obsessed and that turned to bitterness. That of course wouldn't be love but probably more ego related which would explain why she worked so hard at becoming indifferent, angry and detached.

    The most fascinating thing for me in all of this is the 2005 conversation when Michael mentioned names to her about his fear of being murdered for the catalogue. Wouldn't you love to know just who he named? Shouldn't she be called as a witness or something if she has information. I wonder if she has shared this with the police? If she hasn't then she's still letting Michael down.

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  41. Just a little perspective...

    As Oprah put it, Lisa Marie was not "star-struck" over Michael because she also somewhat grew up in the public eye. So in that way, they were similar, equal in the relationship.

    Too many times hurt, disappointed and let down leads to a hardening for emotional survival. Both Michael and Lisa Marie apparently went through this. It can become tit for tat, which hurts both parties and sets the marriage on a downward spiral.

    I know the indifference that Lisa speaks of. In my opinion, her voicing it to Michael could have been a last hope. (Come on ladies, we know how we are...right?) It's possible at that point to be reversed depending on Michael's reaction. His crying may not have touched her because she had dropped so many tears that he did not acknowledge. She may have needed to hear strength, direction, a way forward past it. Or, she was already beyond all that and the process of shutting down had already taken place while he was not paying attention to her words and feelings. Been there.

    It's unfortunate but common in today's society to not stick with marriage through the tough times. There's a huge tendency to cut and run.

    Then Lisa Marie goes on the talk show circuit and publicly airs her marriage grievances, oozing sarcasm and belittling their very private and even special moments together. A very public release of pain and disappointment for what could have been. A REALLY BAD move! If Michael had not already shut down emotionally toward Lisa Marie, that surely was the final blow. I have a great deal of respect for him for not lowering himself to that level.

    The very sad thing is that they both went through much the same processes but at different times. They were out of sync through this, which seems to be quite common.

    Death has a way of softening perspective. Been there too.

    I understand life going in circles...lessons repeated over time, offering yet another opportunity to get it right, to see and change self and reactions. So, I get what she was saying about the similarities of her experiences of her father and Michael. Though, I believe she has more to learn about the differences in circumstances. She would need to step back to see that.

    We, looking in, are viewing from a different perspective, knowing what we have spent a lot of time learning about Michael. Unless Lisa Marie has done her own research, she does not have the benefit of that information. Being so close to Michael does not automatically mean she knew the intricacies of what was going on around him even though she saw some of the players and motives. It does not even mean she knew the depths of his mission even though she knew him much better personally than any of us could. I rather doubt Michael would have laid that out for her, she would have had to recognize it herself.

    Hopefully now she will become informed as to the depths of Michael and what was going on around him. That is my hope for Lisa Marie. If she does that, then this may not be the last we have heard from her on Michael, even though at this point in time she may believe she has laid it to rest.

    Now I'm off to look again at something that struck me in this interview...

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  42. Thank you spotlight, Mimi, Truthbtold, Karin, Josie and CynthiaL.


    I severely misread this interview and I want to go back but taking a break from loading right now. One thing I want to point out:

    Lisa Marie mentioned the 2005 conversation with Michael in which he told her that people were trying to kill him for his catalog. Oprah asked if he mentioned names and Lisa Marie said yes, but she didn't want to say anything at this time.

    This is monumental and I did NOT pay attention to it because I was angry about the pushing of the "drug addict" character. BUT . . . did anyone notice that they left this in the interview?

    Oprah LEFT this in the interview. It wasn't elaborated on and the subject wasn't pushed. This actually gives me a LITTLE HOPE that just Maybe we are going to start hearing more about this.

    Also, on the drugs . . . I will cover that later as I will be devoting a whole blog update to counter this one. But I want to leave this up because I want people to see what I did and what happened to cause me to misread this.

    Monday . . . give me some time, okay? Thank you everyone for contributing to this and helping me out.

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  43. I've just completed reviewing LMP's interview. I feel for her although there were parts of the interview that made me cringe, there were also parts that moved me. Bonnie, I see that you are re-evaluating LMP's interview. I'm glad to see this and look forward to your revised comments. I'm in process as well.

    Please see my comment that I left here. Thank you.:

    http://whatmorecanigivenow.blogspot.com/2010/10/this-article-addresses-my-thoughts-on.html

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  44. Did everyone notice the big vase of sunflowers on the table between O and LMP???? Continuing the theme.....

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  45. My worries with this interview all stem with the motives and agenda of Oprah. I’d like to believe that Lisa-Marie used Oprah’s show to relieve herself of some of the guilt she feels “failing” at saving Michael. In her maturity she may also want to take responsibility for her share of the failed marriage so she can in turn forgive herself and move on. Oprah, on the other is not to be trusted and has an agenda I’m sure. She has used Lisa-Marie to throw together a cocktail…. Using drug addiction, a very ugly word “manipulation” which they unnecessarily used to describe Michael, and then the conspiracy Michael himself talked about. This cocktail is shaking about in the blender right now, and how it pours out is what scares me.

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  46. MissShae said, "Did everyone notice the big vase of sunflowers on the table between O and LMP???? Continuing the theme....."

    Yes, I did notice this MissShae.

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  47. Bonnie said, "Lisa Marie mentioned the 2005 conversation with Michael in which he told her that people were trying to kill him for his catalog. Oprah asked if he mentioned names and Lisa Marie said yes, but she didn't want to say anything at this time.

    This is monumental and I did NOT pay attention to it because I was angry about the pushing of the "drug addict" character. BUT . . . did anyone notice that they left this in the interview?

    Oprah LEFT this in the interview. It wasn't elaborated on and the subject wasn't pushed. This actually gives me a LITTLE HOPE that just Maybe we are going to start hearing more about this."

    This did catch my attention and makes me wonder if anything more will come of it. The cynical side of me knows that there will be some that will view LMP's recollection as a sign that Michael was perhaps delusional and unstable. (Please know that I don't agree with this!!) It made me wonder what O was thinking in regard to this subject? I'm glad she didn't make any comments about it! I'm glad it was left in!!! Although it would be concidered hearsay, I wonder if LMP's recollection could be used as evidence in some way during Murray's upcoming trial? Especially since she said there were names Michael mentioned that she didn't feel at liberty to repeat. It also struck me since there were others in Michael's family who said similar things. In an interview Jermaine did on CNN a few months ago, he made similar comments about un-named persons that Michael felt threatened by. I'll look for the link to that interview.

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  48. Cathy, I think your "cocktail" analogy concerning O's views was excellent. How it "pours out" scares me too. I'm still not clear as to what O's agenda is. During the 2005 trial she pretty much appointed herself Michael's judge and jury and convicted him in her own mind long ago. She is so incredibly hardened to him. (When she does make positive comments about him it comes across as condescending.) Thankfully the jury at that time saw the truth. Something O has no clue about. I worry about the damage she might do this time around with her interviews about Michael and conclusions she my draw in a public forum. I wish she would stay out of it concidering jury selection hasn't even begun in Murray's case!

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  49. Karin said, "The most fascinating thing for me in all of this is the 2005 conversation when Michael mentioned names to her about his fear of being murdered for the catalogue. Wouldn't you love to know just who he named? Shouldn't she be called as a witness or something if she has information. I wonder if she has shared this with the police? If she hasn't then she's still letting Michael down."

    I agree. But if she is believed to have relavant information, she may be compelled to reveal that information. Things could get complicated for her in the next few months unless she has already been asked to reveal that information. I would imagine she would not want to acknowledge that publically.

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  50. Poor Michael Sweetheart!

    So on his final conv with LMP in 2005 (the worse year of Michael's life), he made a sort of appeal to her .... & she remained INDIFFERENT when he cried. Even when love on her part wasn't there anymore she might always have told him a few kind words.

    HOW CRUEL ! But I'm no perfection myself either: couples all have their issues. Only at her place I wouldn't have got the guts to reveal that particuar topic on worldwide TV : Michael's Mother in particular may have been hurt again by her comments since she lost her son & also attended all 2005 Michael's trial days. It shows also how Michael was sensitive as a human being.

    With the LMP drama I'm thru and all of you on this Blog already have already elaborated on the subject. Not everything on the videos was so bad as expected but however partly damaging for Michael. He deserved much better than that.

    Hoping Michael is now freed from the burden of loneliness & lack of love (affection mainly) he experienced in his adult life, I pray for him & his whole family.

    God bless!

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  51. Well, it appears that likely due to the numerous responses to this blog entry my comment came up missing somewhere. It's okay. I blogged about it anyway. So, to spare my arthritic fingers having to endure any more pain, you can find it here:

    The Oprah/LMP Interview: Now For the Ugly Side of Things...
    http://ladyaquarius62.blogspot.com/2010/10/oprahlmp-interview-now-for-ugly-side-of.html

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  52. Others mentioned some of this but I am just going to list as I watch the videos again.

    Part 1

    * 4:55 Inaccurate - Oprah said: "They had not spoken for nearly a decade when Michael was found dead..." 4 years is not even close to a decade!

    * 5:09 Lisa Marie speaking on previous interviews about Michael: "I really didn't speak well...I'm barky and I tend to want to skirt out of it and I would find quick little exits defensively out of it." ... "Because I didn't understand my relationship with him."

    It would have been nice if she would have recanted some of it. But, I'm glad she explained that she was uncomfortable with the questions previously asked by Oprah and took a little responsibility.

    * 5:40 Talking about Lisa's blog post and how people viewed their marriage - Oprah -"The rest of the world thought it was a big staged publicity something."

    Something that bothers me about this is that we are talking about someone's personal choices and private married life. When did that become the world's business...famous or not? Oh yah, when the media grabbed the reins of our brains by somehow making gossip and opinion an important part of our lives.

    * 6:30 I understand that because to some degree he was a master at manipulating...a little bit, with the media." "Nobody really knew who I was so they just assumed that I was going along with something he would be doing. That's one of the things I wanted to clear up in an interview, this interview."

    Then Lisa gives us some insight into Michael's background and explains "manipulation" in the context of him being conditioned to succeed, "where he needed to go for his career, for his talent". I find her explanation reasonable and helpful for understanding.

    "He became very good at making and creating and puppeteering(?)..."

    I wasn't sure of the last word because Oprah interrupted, jumps in and interjects "manipulating", (keep pounding those keywords Oprah!) which Lisa went along with, as she seems to throughout. This about Oprah really Ps me off because it is suggestive and LEADING! It makes me want to jump up and scream "Objection...leading the witness!". Why can't she shut her big mouth and just let us hear what Lisa has to say, her answers...uninterrupted?!?

    Puppeteering in this context is more of an art, manipulating is more about control. A fine line, maybe.

    8:15 She was in England, had been crying all day, trying to work, went home, crying trying to eat dinner. I find this interesting because it shows a deep spiritual connection to Michael. Let's say "all day" begins even as late as 3pm. That is 7am Pacific Time, indicating that Michael was in trouble long before the time we were told.

    11:26 There's a faint high pitched ooooo.
    11:30 There's a faint female(?) voice in the background.

    11:32 Here we go...Oprah and the "drug problem".
    This is where I think Lisa is hypersensitive about drugs.

    They talk about his December 1995 collapse and Klein's office. There absolutely could be "indications" while in the hospital. Whatever it was, it would have been while under a doctor's care...in the hospital! Klein's office, she says it herself - the treatments were painful. Pain and other meds can do things to people. So.........?!?!

    I was surprised Oprah switched to marriage communication. I really enjoyed hearing about MIchael in this segment.

    Still looking for that thing that struck me...I forget now what it was!

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  53. Theme to videos I've posted:
    Alledged drug abuse, others being involved in Michael's death and the idea that Murray is the fall guy.

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    CNN: Jermaine with Larry King

    "Was Dr. Conrad Murray a 'fall guy'? In June 2010, Jermaine Jackson said his family believed Michael Jackson was murdered."

    Jermaine said, "It's higher up than just the doctor, and if you squeeze him hard enough he will talk."

    Jermaine said, "We want to do everything in our power as a family" to find justice.

    Source:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWIf_DQ_OfQ&feature=channel

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    CNN: Don Lemon on Michael Jackson story and his alledged drug use.

    I added this video because of Jermaine and Deepak Chopra's comments regarding this issue. Unfortunately, Terriborelli is also briefly on this video at the end. Since he didn't have direct interactions with Michael, unlike Jermaine and Chopra, I disregarded his comments. Jermaine has maintained that his brother didn't have a drug problem. Chopra mentions an attempted intervention and a defensive, even angry Michael being confronted on the issue.

    Source:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmhgrkYIKRg

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    CNN: How did Michael Jackson really die?

    "Dr. Murray's lawyer tells Murray's version of what happened the day Michael Jackson died. CNN's Ted Rowlands reports."

    I include this because of Dr. Murray's lawyer, Ed Chernoff's comments. It reinforces the fact that Michael had more Propofol in him than what the doctor said he gave him. Of course this serious issue remains unresolved. This is just to give a level set and is not meant as an endorsement of his comments on my part.

    Source:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXItKqkUKFI&feature=channel

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    CNN: Newsroom: Michael Jackson's kin wants murder charge.

    "Michael Jackson's brother (Randy Jackson) says first degree murder would be 'appropriate' for the doctor's role in the pop icon's death."

    Randy very confidently states that Murray's not the only one involved in this. As with Lisa Marie, Janet, Latoya and Jermaine, Randy wouldn't comment specifically on who else was involved. He seemed confident in the investigation though.

    Source:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSlAiSL3IRA&NR=1

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  54. Wow, Lady. I read your blog post. It's hard to comment on the issue you present. It does paint an ugly picture based on circumstantial evidence. I agree that the very idea of the ex traveling with Lisa and Michael while they were on vacation left me utterly speechless. Michael would have every right to be upset, no, down right livid is more like it. The conclusion I drew from this intrusion was the ex's possible distrust of Michael around his two young children. The '93 allegations were still fresh in everyone's memory and I would imagine that no matter what Lisa said to the contrary, this guy may have bought into the lies, and not trusted Michael. I wonder if their were any direct conflicts between Michael and the ex? These ugly thoughts are extremely difficult to entertain.

    I'm reminded how ugly things were said about Michael and his interactions with children based on circumstantial evidence. We know the lies and we know it's easy to accept that he is innocent of such behavior. I want to give Lisa that same benefit of the doubt. I understand that she is a very different personality to Michael. She being more "me" focused as opposed to Michael's more "other" focused world view. In the interview she commented on how "intoxicated" she was with Michael and how he was like a "drug" for her. She also comments on how her experiences with him were some of the most profound in her life. I do believe this and would find it hard to believe that she would "entertain" someone else, to put it as delicately as possible. It just seems way too bold.

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  55. truthbtold2all said, "Oprah said: "They had not spoken for nearly a decade when Michael was found dead..." 4 years is not even close to a decade!"

    Very true and I did notice this and was confused how this was missed during editing.

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  56. truthbtold2all said, "Oh yah, when the media grabbed the reins of our brains by somehow making gossip and opinion an important part of our lives."

    I'm afraid to say that gossip and opinion are a basic human trait that crosses all cultural, ethnic and religious boundaries. Human beings have been telling stories and gossiping about each other since the dawn of time. The press didn't start this, "we" did. At the end of the day, the press is "us"! "They" don't print it unless "we" demand it. And "we" do! Please know that I say "we" and "us" generically.

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  57. truthbtold2all said, "8:15 She was in England, had been crying all day, trying to work, went home, crying trying to eat dinner. I find this interesting because it shows a deep spiritual connection to Michael. Let's say "all day" begins even as late as 3pm. That is 7am Pacific Time, indicating that Michael was in trouble long before the time we were told."

    I found this comment interesting because I saw an interview with Janet Jackson where she had a similar unexplained response to something that was happening in Michael's life, before she knew something was happening. This interview occured around the time of Michael's trial.

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  58. Ladyaquarius62
    "Now For The Ugly Side of Things" link. I read it : tough but good!

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  59. Bonnie said, "Lisa talked about Michael not understanding Lisa’s first husband going on vacation with them. (truth be told I didn’t understand that either. My ex-husband does not go on vacation with me and we also had two children together.)"

    Yes, this is incomprehensible to me, even bizarre that Lisa thought this was O.K. and that she expected Michael to be O.K. with it as well. YUK!!

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  60. Ugh - taking a break and trying to catch up.

    SandyK - Yes, re-evaluating. This is a bit harsh and not very fair. As soon as "drugs" were mentioned I was on the defensive and it colored everything else I heard in that interview. I feel bad, it wasn't fair. On LM's mentioning of the catalog, since she has never spoken of this before, and someone brought it to my attention, I put that together with some other things she said in the interview and it explains the "drug" issues mentioned. I don't like the term "yes men" used because I believe these "men" . . . well, I'll hold off until I write this up. Cynical is a word I would use in reference to Lisa's use of the word "manipulation" of the media.
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    Miss Shae - Yes I did and I remembered! I have a picture of a field of those things that were growing close to where I live and I will put it up on the update.

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  61. @ Lady,
    I read your blog and you're sooo correct, we all are on the outside looking in. You got a little frank in your blog but trust may have been out the window due to her taking the X on vacation. Hey look, when you are on the outside looking in its easy to assume when you don't know "all the facts". What we heard was edited and we don't know what else that she may have said to explain that part of her life. Yes it sounded bad but haven't we all made decisions that we may later regret. Actually for her to admit it took guts especially when she knew the world would watch the interview. Basically she is admitting that some of her decisions may have caused problems in their relationship. Having said that, she was adamant about her taking care of him and she loved doing it. I give her props for that.

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  62. @ lineCH: "Ladyaquarius62
    "Now For The Ugly Side of Things" link. I read it : tough but good!"

    Thanks. I was nice with my 1st blog, but I was "stewing" about a few disturbing things that had also come out in the interview that in turn had prompted me to write the current entry as well. The things within the current blogging are what had angered me.

    Yes, I believe that Lisa Presley did somewhat try to set things straight. At least from her end. But, she still failed to realize that she was burning the proverbial candle at both ends. She allowed Winfrey to "lead" her in her answers frequently, and that bugs me too.

    For example: Winfrey asks LMP, "Do you think you didn't want to see the issues of drug abuse? (of course in reference to MJ)" I'm sorry, but if it were me and Oprah would've pulled that one on me? I would've slapped her. At the very least, I would've stomped my foot on the floor and slammed my fist on the armrest of my chair, and openly stated, "NO! Will you please take your head out of your bottom for a moment? If not, I refuse to answer."

    What would have made a statement like that so darned hard??? Especially, when you consider the fact that Lisa Presley DID insinuate that Michael was often "incoherent" after coming out "of a certain dermatologist's office" (and we all know that was none other than Dr. Arnold Klein)!!! Instead, she wimped out and went along with the whole "Michael was a drug addict" crap, which again... we all KNOW via his toxicology and autopsy reports is UNTRUE and UNFOUNDED. Geesh!!!

    Did I gain or lose respect for Lisa Presley? Nope. I don't hate her, but I still believe that rather than taking a good look at her own flaws, and placing some of the blame of her failed marriage to Michael onto herself, she prefers to simply blame it all on Michael, and that's unfair.

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  63. @ SandyK: "Wow, Lady. I read your blog post. It's hard to comment on the issue you present. It does paint an ugly picture based on circumstantial evidence. I agree that the very idea of the ex traveling with Lisa and Michael while they were on vacation left me utterly speechless. Michael would have every right to be upset, no, down right livid is more like it. The conclusion I drew from this intrusion was the ex's possible distrust of Michael around his two young children. The '93 allegations were still fresh in everyone's memory and I would imagine that no matter what Lisa said to the contrary, this guy may have bought into the lies, and not trusted Michael. I wonder if their were any direct conflicts between Michael and the ex? These ugly thoughts are extremely difficult to entertain."

    I felt bad when I had to address that "ugly" possibility on my blog, but it was something I felt needed equal consideration. Michael was a man after all. So yeah... having to deal with LMP's Ex being along for the ride frequently would be an area of concern.

    Yes, I also agree that perhaps Keogh didn't trust MJ being around his children, and may have very well playing out the "protective parent" role. But, the fact that LMP was divorced for only 50 days prior to marrying Michael, and her admission that she had "broken up her family in favor of being with Michael" disturbed me. It does lend a bit of credence to the possibility of her being a bit of a "tramp" who hopped from one bed right into another. Not good...

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  64. Cathy - Thank you for posting. I'm trying to catch up on posts so forgive me. I have ONE DAY to do Lisa's update and I get four things emailed to me about other stuff going on. This is more important right now. I don't trust Oprah either and whoever edited Lisa's Interview BUT I also have a little more faith in the Jackson Family then some others seem to out there. This worries me what is going on now.
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    LineCH - I don't think Lisa said she remained "indifferent" when Michael cried. She said Michael cried when she TOLD HIM she was indifferent when asked if she still loved him. Like you I cannot imagine saying that to someone like Michael. I don't even know if she would have succeeded in saying that had they been face to face and not on the phone.

    I am trying to put myself in Lisa's shoes because her ability to shut down emotionally is ME not even ten years ago. That has to hurt and like me I would not cry in front of people, so for me to completely mot see this in her... There is enough pain to go around in this. I feel like I just hurt a child.
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    Lady - Your comment somehow got tagged as spam. I clicked "not spam" and it disappeared. I thought it posted but I guess it did not? I'm sorry :o(

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  65. Hey Bonnie. Don't know if you'll see this, as you will be busy. Your husband, that picture of you :), so funny. You must reward him for being so clever. Hope your move is not too stressful. Good luck.

    I do not know the purpose of that interview with LMP, but be assured, there was some underlying purpose.

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  66. Truth said - "Something that bothers me about this is that we are talking about someone's personal choices and private married life. When did that become the world's business...famous or not? Oh yah, when the media grabbed the reins of our brains by somehow making gossip and opinion an important part of our lives."

    You know what? Amen to this! Seriously! That was THEIR BUSINESS! The questions these two people got during interviews . . . a NEWLYWED couple! "Do you have normal physical relations?" "Do you have sex?" The kind of questions that even as someone watching the interview, unacquainted with this couple and it made my stomach turn inside out with embarrassment. I can't even imagine being able to sit there and listen to the answer let alone having the inhumanity to even ASK that question! This is what they had to put up with all the time! And Oprah's response in 1993 to Michael not wanting to answer the "virgin" question . . . "Because I think people want to know..." SO WHAT! When did celebrity demand providing fixes for voyeurs???

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  67. Truth - Long post lady, LOL! You said "I wasn't sure of the last word because Oprah interrupted, jumps in and interjects "manipulating", (keep pounding those keywords Oprah!) which Lisa went along with, as she seems to throughout. This about Oprah really Ps me off because it is suggestive and LEADING! "


    There may be another reason for this. I agree with you, but there may be something more to this than we're seeing. I will have more "what if" pros and cons in the next post. I'm going to look like I am completely contradicting this post so just be prepared.
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    SandyK - Thank you for the videos you posted. Jermaine has maintained pretty steadily that Michael was not addicted to drugs as have others who had been around Michael. Chopra, if you listen to him, may have been talking about a specific period in Michael's life which could have been the early-mid 1990's or could have been "helped" by others. The family members (other than Jermaine) mention "interventions" without using "drug" next to it. So many times I have seen this word enacted that another type of intervention could have been attempted at various times. During the 60 minute interview, Michael appeared (to me) very frightned. He did appear medicated in that video even though there was very much pain and fear in his face and voice. I believe there is a possibility that Michael may have been drugged off and on BY those around him and something would happen where someone that cared noticed it, tried to talk to Michael and Michael denied it or even got angry (because he just fired someone he didn't trust, there couldn't possibly be another one doing the same thing!) That would definitely be a possibility. There is some editing in the areas Lisa Marie talks about this (other people, those working against her and Michael, even though she doesn't come right out and say this).

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  68. SandyK said - "She being more "me" focused as opposed to Michael's more "other" focused world view. In the interview she commented on how "intoxicated" she was with Michael and how he was like a "drug" for her. She also comments on how her experiences with him were some of the most profound in her life. I do believe this and would find it hard to believe that she would "entertain" someone else, to put it as delicately as possible. "

    I thought this was a brilliant description from Lisa Marie of the effect Michael had not only on her but what pretty much everyone else describes who has met or been round him. This part of the interview actually made me realize the Lisa Marie was NOT completely disengaged and she recognized this "something" that Michael had. Lisa had also been with him and seen him with children in the hospitals . . . the most profound experiences of her life. She is very guarded in even this. I wish she could be "unlocked".

    SandyK said - "Yes, this is incomprehensible to me, even bizarre that Lisa thought this was O.K. and that she expected Michael to be O.K. with it as well. YUK!! "

    -------Particularly hurtful to Michael when Lisa refused to have his children, but insisted on carting her ex-husband and her children around with them. Michael wanted a family so bad and here the woman he loves makes him feel like a third wheel with her "family". I have a really, really hard time with that.
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  69. Bonnie,
    Lisa said she wanted children but wanted to be sure they were truly united because of what they would be up against and did not want a custody battle with him if it came to that. I find that much understandable.

    They were up against more than just each other on having children I think. It was some racism heavily envolved. I watched a video a while back were that was discussed. Her uncle plainly stated that although Elvis was not racist he did not believe in interracial dating/marriage and if they had children they would catch the brunt of the racism. So there you have it. I think alot was at play in the background that was not said publicly. Much much more. Just think how Elvis's followers were reacting and how that would affect his legacy and the $$$$$$$. Its an ugly fact but a fact none the less. Love is not always color blind.
    LMP still tried but we all know how that turned out....

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  70. Bonnie, I admit also that some of my comments were based on an emotional knee jerk response after hearing the word DRUGS, which turned the entire interview into a negative for me. The last thing any of us want is to join the ranks of those who prejudge with a closed mind. You have taken the high road as always in deciding to revisit the interview and look at it from another angle. In all fairness, I, too, will watch it again with an objective eye and see if I come away with something different.

    We should keep in mind that the mainstream media was despicable in its reporting of Michael's marriage to LMP, which held them BOTH up to ridicule (remember Diane Sawyer's lemon face?). That had to be as upsetting to Lisa as it was to Michael. Maybe what we interpret as cold about her demeanor is actually a form of recoiling and being on the defensive. Also, being married with a new life and having twins in October 2008, one can hardly expect Lisa to display an outpouring of emotion and grief for a former husband. We "want" to see and hear that because we need to know that Michael was loved, but this is not our life being played out before the world. After the interview, Lisa went home...to Michael Lockwood.

    Thank you, Bonnie. Time for a time out and a re-screening to get a fairer perspective on Lisa Marie (sorry, Ms. O - you had your chance!).

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  71. Miss Shae - Okay, with Lisa Marie, sticking with ONE REASON she wouldn't have children with him MIGHT have been helpful, but she's given a myriad of reasons with every interview it was asked to her (ie: he was too immature to be a father, she didn't want a custody battle, vitiligo, etc...) These reasons don't exactly mesh when you consider that she had no problem having children with her previous husband and the husband she has now.

    What did she expect Michael to do? Stay married to her never having his own children with HIS wife while she carted ex-hubby around with HER FAMILY with Michael in tow? Was she married to Michael or not? She didn't come up with that reason until THIS Oprah interview.

    She is trying to make it sound like there was something wrong with Michael because he didn't enjoy her rubbing her "family" into Michael's face with her ex husband with them while refusing to give Michael children. This is what I don't understand. Is Michael selfish because he wanted children of his own? Is Michael selfish because being told "no" by his wife while the one his wife divorced was told yes?

    How do you think Michael felt, sitting next to his wife, her ex husband and THEIR children while Lisa expected Michael to "understand" that she was never going to have them with him? Does this strike anyone as particularly sadist? And then Michael is "retaliatory" because he found a woman who would have his children? I bet that was a warm, fuzzy feeling for Michael. All he ever wanted was a family. He didn't have much of a family life at home because he was on the stage all the time.

    He does everything the "right way", doesn't sleep around with people having children in ever continent like many of your pop stars and he finally marries some one he LOVES and she tells him "No, but you can share my children with my ex husband as long as you agree he can come on vacations with us."

    He didn't deserve that! Of anything else in that interview, that ticked me off royally. I can swallow the "wounded little girl" bit and give her the benefit of the doubt, except for this. She might as well ripped his soul out when she did this.

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  72. Spotlight - Yes I had a knee-jerk reaction the first mention of the drugs. The thing about the no children for Michael and the ex-hubby accompanying them on vacations is now my new knee-jerk. I am having a lot of problems with this one.

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  73. MissShae mentioned: Basically she is admitting that some of her decisions may have caused problems in their relationship. Having said that, she was adamant about her taking care of him and she loved doing it. I give her props for that."

    I do too. That's why I was nice in my first blogging. To be perfectly fair here, I saw equal parts of good and bad with this interview. My first blogging was the good. My 2nd described the bad.

    I tried to be fair and place blame on BOTH she and Michael equally. Yet sadly, in the 2010 interview, LMP still preferred to attempt to transfer the blame mainly on Michael, and I still believe that to be unfair of her. I guess I'm just one of those people in this life that believes that it takes TWO to make a marriage succeed or fail. I fail to see Presley accepting her end very often. :(

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  74. All points are well taken but we must remember we are only hearing one side of the story. Why she took her X on vacation is her business whether we like it or not. That is a raw fact. We do not know all the circumstances of why she came to that decision no matter how it leaves us with a bad taste. We do not know what role if any MJ had in that decision. We as woman can do things that often makes no sense to no one but ourselves. We simply do not know all the circumstances surrounding that situation.

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  75. Bonnie said,"How do you think Michael felt, sitting next to his wife, her ex husband and THEIR children while Lisa expected Michael to "understand" that she was never going to have them with him?"
    Michael knew she had baggage when he got with her. Michael was man and had the choice deal with it or leave. He wanted children badly yes but we simply do not know all the circumstances. We only know what she said and thats subjective. MJ shared some of his feelings on this with Schmuley but he didn't go into deep detail. I am sure he was hurt and disappointed without a doubt. Before we bash LMP we she know both sides and really its not our business to know all the facts. Yes she put it out there and her reasons conflict but have you ever thought its all those reasons plus more? We may never really know....

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  76. @Lady : I enjoyed reading you blog post. Thanks for showing us different perspective, and your explanation also is very compelling.

    I too was really surprised hearing her saying her X-husband was hanging around with her and Michael. I was watching the interview with my son and he even made comment saying “that’s cold and no one does that in a marriage his/her X’s going vacation with the couple.” He insisted I turned off the TV do something worthy than watching as he said these two phony ladies.

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  77. Well I sort of do feel guilty when I start wondering about Michael's private life with his ex wife but then you know, Oprah is the one who throws those intrusive questions at her subjects. We, the audience and devotees of Michael Jackson the man, cannot help but be drawn in because he is so fascinating. Questions like "Are you a Virgin" and "Do you Have Sex" really cross the line though and are insulting. Winfrey and Sawyer had no right whatsoever.

    I did get the impression that both Winfrey and LMP were putting a lot of responsibility on Michael's shoulders. The major blame came from Winfrey by raising the drug thing over and over. This was despite the fact that LMP told her Michael feared for his life five years ago. You'd think Winfrey would have been a little creative at that point and perhaps dropped the drug issue and looked at other possible reasons for Michael's death but she chose to skim over it as if it wasn't at all relevant. If I was a journalist I would latch onto that as it is the sort of issue that would attract ratings. Why didn't she and why is she so convinced that drugs destroyed Michael's marriage and his life when the autopsy report doesn't corroborate long term drug abuse?

    You know, personalities are personalities and moods are moods and what LMP was mentioning about Michael's icing people out is really kind of common in a lot of marriages. Lots of people shut down when they are unhappy about something or don't get their way. Yeah, maybe it's immature but it's not uncommon.

    We've also got to bear in mind that by his own admission Michael always said he wasn't good in one on one relationships because of his shyness. Coupled with that to our knowledge he had not had much experience in long term relationships and if you're going to make a marriage work you do need some wisdom in that area. Sounds like LMP also lacked wisdom if she wanted her ex going on holidays with them.

    I am busting to know who Michael named in that 2005 phone call. Do you think we'll ever find out?

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  78. Bonnie said, "He does everything the "right way", doesn't sleep around with people having children in ever continent like many of your pop stars and he finally marries some one he LOVES and she tells him "No, but you can share my children with my ex husband as long as you agree he can come on vacations with us."

    Bonnie if you go back and listen after your anger settles you will hear LMP say that MJ called and she to him that her X was with her and the children on vacation.
    In fairness MJ started with a married woman and emotional baggage comes with that. LMP said she never felt good about leaving and breaking up her family to be with MJ. Unless you have been in that situation you may never understand those type of feelings. I don't like the fact that MJ got hurt but it is a reality. Yes MJ should have been upset, angry, jealous etc but how do you think her X felt. Love can be a battlefield.

    Ok Bonnie lets look at the other side of the coin. In an earlier interview LMP and her mother had with O her mother tells how MJ called her and asked her and LMP out to dinner. LMP was only sixteen and still in school. Priscilla said no. As a mother I can understand that. Its a ten year age difference. When MJ and LMP finally met she was already married with two children. Know if MJ had interest in her years earlier how do we know if his motives were completely pure. We don't really, he never shared that to my knowledge. If I am wrong please correct me. MJ took a risk and got burned. Lets not forget he did covet another mans wife. I can't blame her for being overly cautious and the same for him. As much as I want to stand up for MJ we must point it all out.

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  79. Bonnie ~ "Truth - Long post lady, LOL!"

    I know...sheesh, can't help myself sometimes! LOL
    Hhmmm, I look forward to your other reasons for Oprah pounding keywords and leading Lisa Marie. I'm sure glad you are going to revisit your initial interpretations of this interview. I was actually very surprised at the strong initial emotional reactions voiced here. But, it does give good insight into how the interview affected some people.

    Oh, and I LOVE that photo your husband sent you! ROFL!

    Spotlight ~ "Maybe what we interpret as cold about her demeanor is actually a form of recoiling and being on the defensive."

    Well said. And I applaud Lisa Marie for not laying everything out to be dissected. Some things need to remain only ours, protected within our hearts and not shared.

    My impression is that, at least in an interview, Lisa Marie is unable or does not want to be confrontational so she skirts issues and puts up a wall rather than just come out and say "I'd rather not answer that". Other times, it seems to me out of discomfort or compliance, she says too much.

    SandyK said something on her blog that struck me so I am copying that and my response here:

    SandyK ~ "Oprah has obviously gone to great lengths to build a relationship with LMP with activities, such as a hiking trip, to at least appear to be a safe and trustworthy person for her to talk too. (I'm seeing Oprah as more of a wolf in sheep’s clothing who lulled LMP into a false sense of security!)"

    That is an absolutely EXCELLENT point!

    I believe Oprah or somebody on her team was very good at reading Lisa Marie. Yes, she lulled her into a false sense of security and it showed every time Lisa Marie followed Oprah's lead or said too much. Lisa Marie had previously said she is naive and gullible and I do believe that about her. Oprah took advantage of her very nature."

    We need to remember that just because Lisa Marie is famous doesn't mean she doesn't have some of the same challenges and internal struggles we all have.

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  80. Part 2

    Notice Oprah's voice inflections, emphasis at 14:05 when she says "20 days later...". Sounds like judgment, condemning to me.

    14:10 - Talking about divorcing Danny for Michael:

    "When I was with Michael I was still trying to process what I had done. I could never feel good about it. How could I have done that to somebody and I had these two little ones? Danny was still very much a part of my life. Michael didn't quite know what to do with that sometimes. That made him uncomfortable and I understood that. Michael would wonder why are you in Hawaii with Danny...take a vacation and Danny would go. Michael would get upset and where are you? Then he would disappear for a couple weeks and I couldn't find him."

    Ok, I transcribed that because she never said Danny accompanied she and Michael on vacation. I believe Lisa Marie could have been acting out of mixed-up guilt toward Danny. I also refuse to read any more into it, such as an affair with Danny just based on this.

    It could be that Lisa Marie was setting the record straight here and taking some responsibility for what she said in a previous interview where she made it sound like Michael disappeared for weeks for no reason, but never gave us the why. This is the why.

    I also wonder where Michael was when Lisa was planning and left for this vacation. If he had been there then why is he wondering where she is? Could she have felt like he was neglecting her so what's the big deal, why would he care? My point is, we shouldn't be rushing to judgment, marriage can be very emotionally complicated.

    Blindly defending Michael is not a great way to discover facts. He made mistakes too. The bottom line for me is that their personal married life is really none of our business and an area where I refuse to judge either of them.

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  81. Lady, forgive me for revisiting your blog post about Lisa and certain ugly allegations. It's really bothering me. This is why:

    Michael:
    Amusement park + young boys + sleep overs + alledged inappropriate and even criminal behavior = ugly allegations based on circumstantial evidence and misperceptions.

    This gave us the 16 year long media crucifiction of an innocent man. Despite his PROVEN innocense we know there are still those convinced of his guilt. I'm sure none of us can imagine living with such ignorance!

    Lisa:
    Ex on vacation with MJ/LMP + the Pill + no babies for Michael + alledged inappropriate but not criminal behavior = ugly allegations based on circumstantial evidence and misperceptions.

    Potential vilification of an innocent women. She is first innocent until proven guilty. I'm NOT going to put her on trial. I don't want to try and prove anything in this regard. This shouldn't be pursued.

    Please, please, please, lets not do to Lisa what was done to Michael. They are different personality types and many don't have the same affection for her as for Michael, but that shouldn't matter. I do respect you Lady and enjoy reading your comments and perspective, but this one is really bothering me and is an issue that has nothing to do with justice for Michael. Although I have expressed my shock at the idea of Danny Keough being on vacation with MJ/LMP and speculated that the ex was perhaps being an over protective parent, I will go no further than that. Going any further enters the realm of tabloids and we know how pre-occupied they are (and the public) with what happens in peoples bedrooms. That's their bread and butter. Lets not go here, please.

    Peace and L.O.V.E.

    Sandy

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  82. Bonnie – thank you so much for all your work. Please don’t be hard on yourself. It’s okay if you miss something from this interview. We all human remember. And as you said you will revisit and make an amendments where it its necessary. We all love you and support you and appreciate your dedication.

    I think we need to focus and elaborate on what she said Michael told her about his fear for some people were after him to kill him for his catalog and estate and also the emphasis she did about the drug use.

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  83. This is off topic but I just finished reading this article and wanted to share it. It's about a doctor who treated Michael after he collapsed after a rehearsal for an HBO special in the mid 90's. He was rushed to a nearby Hospital. The doctor who treated him was Dr. William Alleyne II. This man exemplifies what a health care professional should be. He treated Michael like he did all his patients, with dignity and respect. The article was printed a few weeks after Michael's death.

    Dr. C. Murray, and other profit driven doctors, please read and LEARN.

    Source:
    http://www.lipstickalley.com/f227/doctor-who-helped-saved-michael-jacksons-life-after-1995-rehearsal-collapse-201778/

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  84. Truth, Miss Shae - I maintain that I do not, absoLUTELY do not understand how LMP could SAY YES to someone she had no intention of giving children to, then turn around and take the ex on vacation (ex-and lisa without Michael not a whole lot better situation).

    Lisa wanted both worlds. She should have told Michael that so he could at least rescind the offer if he was going to be "uncomfortable" with it. It was cruel. Michael didn't marry her or ask to marry her while she was still married to Keough. She said YES when Michael did ask. She agreed to children until he wanted to start having them. She lied about the pill, then told Michael she would NOT have children when caught all the while taking vacations with Keough while Michael was working or touring.

    MIchael's "yes" people were not "yes" people, they were the people trying to control him. Yes, they probably worked on her to get them apart because they did NOT want Michael married. THIS SHOULD HAVE HAD MORE ATTENTION PAID TO IT, but alas, it wasn't because the IMPORTANT thing to harp on was the drugs and the "inappropriateness" with children. We had the fill the program with THAT garbage instead of the REAL REASON HE DIED.

    This interview was for Lisa's benefit, no one else's. They did Michael no favors. They MENTIONED the "catalog" and the "Michael said someone was trying to kill him for it". One request for names from Oprah and everything else was about asking people to understand Lisa Marie's treatment of Michael.

    Can someone tell me one way this helped Michael out at all?

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  85. Bonnie "We had the fill the program with THAT garbage instead of the REASON HE DIED". This interview was for Lisa's benefit, no one else's."

    Bingo, Bonnie !

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  86. @ SandyK: "Potential vilification of an innocent women. She is first innocent until proven guilty. I'm NOT going to put her on trial. I don't want to try and prove anything in this regard. This shouldn't be pursued."

    First, I am not, nor was it my intention to put LMP "on trial." My reference to such here is simply, that Presley too has her flaws. Plain and simple. I wish I could spend time digging up reference points, but this is NOT the first time that she'd been accused of such a thing, from what I've come to know. But...that is her business...her life. It's not my problem.

    My problem with her was simply allowing Oprah to "lead" her answers, and give into the whole "Michael was a drug addict" speel, when she herself has had a history of drug issues btw. However, note how "nicely" that subject and finger-pointing back at her own self gets neglected. Hmm...

    I do think that in this newest interview, LMP did attempt to set the record straight, but she dropped the ball by preferring to place more of the blame onto Michael rather than keeping a proper balance in perspective. It takes TWO to make or break any relationship. Lisa still fails to fully comprehend and admit to that and prefers the "blame game."

    I'm sorry that my "bad gut hunch" reasoning in my blog disturbs you, but is LMP capable of such? It is possible. Especially since she admits to feeling guilty about the breakup of her 1st marriage in order to be with Michael. She was carrying a TON of regret there. This also I believe is the underlying reason as to why her marriage with Michael failed. It set the pace for the rest... :(

    But again, nobody has to agree with me. I merely put it "out there" as a possibility. It is NOT an absolute, and it's doubtful it'll ever come out. But nonetheless... Michael was NOT the only person in their relationship who had "skeletons in the closet." LMP had plenty of her own too. I'm just sad that Lisa failed to place equal blame, rather than put most of it onto Michael. That was and still is unfair.

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  87. Bonnie said: "This interview was for Lisa's benefit, no one else's. They did Michael no favors. They MENTIONED the "catalog" and the "Michael said someone was trying to kill him for it". One request for names from Oprah and everything else was about asking people to understand Lisa Marie's treatment of Michael.

    Can someone tell me one way this helped Michael out at all?"

    Agreed!!! This interview was NOT about Michael outside of mere referencing. Rather it was more about Lisa Marie, and that's where it all starts and ends. But yes...she did reveal herself quite well, I thought. She revealed herself to be "indifferent", and THAT'S a key issue point, I believe.

    Then, she wonders why she had to go through this whole issue twice in her life. Well gee... I think that there are plenty of great answers for that one found here in the comments already. But, my thought is that the reason for going through it twice is:

    A.) When Elvis died, she was still very much a little girl. A VERY privileged one, and probably somewhat spoiled.

    B.) When Michael died, the only thing that seemed to change was her age. The rest is still there (privileged and spoiled). Like I said...the only thing that changed was she aged.

    This interview did NOTHING to help Michael, except one thing...

    It showed that he was very much a normal man, with normal feelings, and normal desires. It also showed that he was prone to mistakes, and that unfortunately, he also chose the wrong woman to marry. That's all it did. Other than that, it still remains a more subdued, but nonetheless a "bashfest Oprah style."

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  88. Bonnie, I put a comment up here when your blog about the interview first went up, and I see a few have also mentioned since what I considered to be of such importance.

    The most significant element of Lisa's interview, IMO, is her revelation of the 2005 conversation with Michael about those being "after him" and him giving her names, but she would not say who. I can surely understand why she would not say the names, but I can't understand Oprah leaving that gaping hole there for all the world to see without a reason! Unless Lisa has already given those names to the "authorities", she should be subpoenaed if Murray's case EVER gets to trial.

    I see so many parallels in Lisa/Michael, that existed with Priscilla/Elvis. Michael needed Lisa, she walked away; Elvis needed Priscilla, she walked away. Both for the same reasons, stated to be those with whom Elvis/Michael surrounded themselves. IMO, they both, Priscilla and Lisa, didn't try hard enough, particularly when Lisa makes such a point of saying how she left her husband (Keough) for Michael, something I had not heretofore heard. Wouldn't Michael have been worth the extra effort?

    I don't know if I believe Michael wanted Lisa back, but I do believe they did continue to see each other for whatever reason after the divorce. Remember she said Michael was "intoxicating"? Yes, he surely was! And she didn't leave Michael for "someone else", which makes it much easier to fall back into familiar patterns.

    To reiterate, there must be a reason for Oprah allowing that "I don't want to give names" comment to stay in that interview, when it easily could have been edited out. Oprah does anything for ratings, so maybe it's just that simple, or maybe there's more to come from it.

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  89. Dear Bonnie

    I saw all the interviews done by Lisa regarding Michael in the past and the last one with Oprah and I also saw all the pictures taken by her and Michael and I can only say that she never loved Michael.

    For me the only reason LMP married Michael was because she wanted to get hold of Elvis songs that are part of the CATALOG (the ones that are missing from Graceland). Here is the link for the guided visit she did with Oprah at Graceland.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9lSDI0KS3I

    Love your great work.
    Looking forward for the next post.

    LYM
    Anapassionheart

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  90. Hello Bonnie,
    I will say again, we do not know all the facts of their relationship. We can speculate and read between lines all we want but we simply do not know all the facts from both sides.

    LMP said she did want to have children but wanted to make sure they were united because of everything they would be up against. Actually I think that was wise. She knew something that we don't and it's not our business to know everything whether we like it or not. Micheal wanted children period. We simply do not know what else could have swayed her decision not to. Have you ever thought she may have been a voice of reason. We don't know everything that was going on. In my earlier comments I said it was more going on in the background than we are privy to. I am thankful that she did not put all MJ's business out for it to be picked apart.

    Bonnie whoever said that this interview was about helping Michael? LMP has the right to speak out just like anyone else. Michael could have spoke out in the past but chose not to.I can understand his reasons for not speaking out but he still had the choice.

    The more I think about it she did help Michael. She confirmed that he feared for his life and that the conspiracy against him was to take control of his catalogue and estate. She confirmed that it was doctors in and out while she was a part of his life. No she did not go into details which I think she wise not to because we do not know what is going on behind the scenes. We don't know who she may have talked to since MJ's passing.

    It was a reason for this interview and may not be what we all are speculating. Lets just wait and see what else develops....

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  91. @ June: "I don't know if I believe Michael wanted Lisa back, but I do believe they did continue to see each other for whatever reason after the divorce."

    I believe that for a time Michael DID want Lisa back. The only problem? He couldn't TRUST her anymore. I believe that Michael did love Lisa, but I also believe that he was not one to allow his heart to rule his head either. He was intelligent enough to "perform mathematics" about other issues (things we the public still are unaware of, and are likely to never know) regarding Lisa as well. In the shorthand? He sadly came to realize that she was NOT the person he had initially THOUGHT that she was, especially when she started the whole "bash Michael" crap in interviews with Diane Sawyer and Oprah. Do you think he wouldn't have "tuned in" to those? He sure as heck would have, and here's Lisa now wondering WHY Michael had "iced her out." Oh, good grief... you really just can't fix stupid!

    "The most significant element of Lisa's interview, IMO, is her revelation of the 2005 conversation with Michael about those being "after him" and him giving her names, but she would not say who. I can surely understand why she would not say the names, but I can't understand Oprah leaving that gaping hole there for all the world to see without a reason! Unless Lisa has already given those names to the "authorities", she should be subpoenaed if Murray's case EVER gets to trial."

    Yeah, this would be interesting. I wonder if she'll tell the Defense or the Prosecution "I'm indifferent." Where's my spitball straw??? Ugh!!!

    "I see so many parallels in Lisa/Michael, that existed with Priscilla/Elvis. Michael needed Lisa, she walked away; Elvis needed Priscilla, she walked away. Both for the same reasons, stated to be those with whom Elvis/Michael surrounded themselves. IMO, they both, Priscilla and Lisa, didn't try hard enough, particularly when Lisa makes such a point of saying how she left her husband (Keough) for Michael, something I had not heretofore heard. Wouldn't Michael have been worth the extra effort?"

    I agree with the parallels. To many of us, not just myself, I know that we would've been likely to make a special effort. But, we're talking about Lisa's apparent incapacity to think and feel that way. By her own admission, she's not "normal."

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  92. JUne - You are right about the significance of the mention of a 2005 conversation in which the catalog and those trying to kill Michael was mentioned and that Lisa had names. That is probably the one thing in this whole interview that made me want to revisit this interview.

    I am having such a hard time getting past the pain of this whole relationship on Michael's part. Why? The biggest thing is just the thought of him crying over being told "no" to giving him children while she and hers run off to vacation with the ex. That is so flipping unfair!!! I'm sitting here and thinking how very THANKFUL for Debbie Rowe I really am!

    I saw the past interviews with Lisa Marie (with Michael . . . Diane Sawyer) and LMP seemed more compassionate THEN than she does now. I can see she was maybe nervous, but I also saw irritation (could have been with Oprah).

    I am not feeling good about this interview, I'm sorry. I am trying. Did anyone go completely through this Diane Sawyer interview? Because something Michael says is really bothering me in the 1990's interview with LMP. REALLY bothering me. LMP says something else that really bothers me.

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  93. Alright, here it is . . . I'm going to say it.

    In the Diane Sawyer interview with BOTH LISA MARIE AND MICHAEL . . . they are asked WHO popped the question . . . who brought up marriage?

    Both say, "Michael". Then Michael continues with this story of how he asked his lawyer THEN JOHN BRANCA if he knew Lisa Marie Presley. MICHEAL THEN SAYS, "John says, well I represent her mother Priscilla".

    Elvis Songs are in the catalog that Michael owned!

    Now MICHAEL may have believed that it was his idea . . . but lets look at what Lisa has said:

    She LEFT DANNY FOR MICHAEL . . even with children. Why?

    She refused to have children with Michael. Why?

    She still maintains family with Danny. Why? Who iced who out?

    She says she left the marriage but then she follows him around and writes him letters afterwards . . . why? Because she loved him or because he still owned the Elvis songs?

    She didn't seem to care that Debbie was going to give him children before they split. After they split then she chases him down. Michael may have entertained her (because of her children), but I think he was quite done or they would have been back together.

    I do not believe the 2005 conversation happened. I believe that was said for the benefit of fans and to maybe throw out a jab for anyone close to Michael who was listening.


    In the Schmuley interviews, Michael also talks about how manipulative women are. He wasn't around his brothers long enough to see all this happening although he could have, but what if he were talking about LMP?

    I know this is going to inflame alot of people, but the hard sell on this love affair and the lack of . . . oh a SOUL from Lisa Marie coupled with who else John Branca happened to represent at the time they miraculously got together and the rest will be in the update tomorrow.

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  94. Anapassionheart -

    I saw your post, thank you. You feel that way too?

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  95. Bonnie said, "Can someone tell me one way this helped Michael out at all?"

    I was struggling to answer this question myself other than what Lady said and that was, "It showed that he was very much a normal man, with normal feelings, and normal desires. It also showed that he was prone to mistakes, and that unfortunately, he also chose the wrong woman to marry."

    I also found this from another blog where the blogger states the affect on neutral viewers, that are neither haters nor fans. I thought this was interesting and worth repeating.

    From AllForLove blog:
    "So I think we can safely say the interview helped humanize Michael in that regard, and perhaps finally brought some closure to the speculations of Michael as a man who only married his wives for publicity stunts. I think what emerges from all of this is a picture of a man who did want to be a real husband and father. I think most people by now at least accept that he was a great father, but many still have problems coming to terms with whether he ever desired a real family. Although this wasn’t news to the fans, it was an important revelation for casual viewers."

    How does LMP's interview hurt Michael? Well, I think we already know the answer to that but I found AllForLove's response interesting.

    AllForLove also acknowledges the OVER emphasis on the "drug" issue during the interview. She primarily blames this on Oprah. She says, "Oprah, not to anyone’s surprise, made it such a focal point of the interview. This subject has already been hashed out in numerous other blogs and reviews of the show, and I can’t add much here except to say I agree. My biggest concern is how this mis-information will ultimately affect Michael’s legacy and, more immediatly, the outcome of Murray’s trial. Interviews like this, in which family members and people close to him like Lisa Marie, continue to feed into the “drug addict” line, can ultimately affect the trial’s outcome if enough people come to believe that Murray was simply a pawn in Michael’s own addiction and downward spiral. And yes, interviews like this can be entered as evidence, if the defense requests it and the judge grants it!"

    UGH!!!!!!!

    Source:
    http://allforloveblog.com/?p=4279

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  96. Thanks for the youtube link Anapassionheart. That changes a lot for me!

    That aired on 10/10/2006. Lisa and her husband Michael flew to Graceland from Hawaii just to open Graceland for a private Oprah tour and gave her what seemed to be complete access to all Elvis' vaulted private collection. It's location is so secret that Lisa Marie would not allow the camera to show us where it was. But Oprah and her crew can know. She lays out a big buffet of Elvis' favorite foods for Oprah. They sit around Elvis' table where nobody but family has eaten since he died. Oprah reveals that it really is true that her grandmother was a Presley.

    Could this get any more complicated?!?

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  97. From the same blog, someone made an important comment concerning LMP's suggestion that Debbie Rowe's pregnancy was a "retaliatory" act.

    "Also, calling Michael’s decision to have children with Debbie Rowe a retaliatory act – did she not think about how his 3 children might feel?

    I am happy Michael had his 3 children who he loved and who loved him unconditionally, and I would hate to have this statement hurt them. Lisa basically reduced their existence to an act of petulance. That was a petty thing to say."

    I admit that LMP's statement here rubbed me the wrong way. She may very well have felt this way at the time, but she needed to soften the blow, as it were, concidering who may be watching. I don't think she would ever intend to hurt MJ3 but her comment was very unfortunate and potentially hurtful.

    MJ3 and Michael were/are a blessing for each other and a wonderful living example of his legacy.

    Source:
    http://allforloveblog.com/?p=4279

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  98. Bonnie- "In the Schmuley interviews, Michael also talks about how manipulative women are. He wasn't around his brothers long enough to see all this happening although he could have, but what if he were talking about LMP?

    I know this is going to inflame alot of people, but the hard sell on this love affair and the lack of . . . oh a SOUL from Lisa Marie coupled with who else John Branca happened to represent at the time they miraculously got together and the rest will be in the update tomorrow."

    THANK YOU!!! (Big hugz too.) You have just echoed my entire reasoning for why this recent interview has made me heartsick. In soooo many ways, I feel that Michael's proverbial "last straw" in the trust department when it came to women can certainly be directly pointed in Lisa Marie's direction. Even worse, because like I'd stated earlier, Michael was NOT one to allow his heart to override his head, it IS extremely likely that this is also the source of LMP's true bitterness. Not only did Michael "ice" her out, he NEVER let her back in either!

    I have trouble believing the legitimacy of the supposed 2005 phone conversation too. Why? I remember LaToya having stated in a past interview where she was asked about LMP and Michael, that the ONLY reason why LMP was still allowed to accompany Michael here and there was due to their appearances being booked (via appointments) prior to their divorce.

    But, also noteworthy... LaToya had also claimed that there marriage was NOT for love. Rather...it was a business agreement, in return LMP would be helped launch her own career. I don't know what to think of that part though. LaToya HAS been known to stretch truths and tell "whoppers", so I don't know if that part can be believed. I believe this interview is still on YT somewhere.

    In any case, what if Michael had believed his relationship was "real" but LMP was only going along with things due to a contract with Branca and/or Sony??? Worse... did Michael eventually "catch on" to the BS??? Hmm...

    One more thing, the Michael tapes, Michael also states, "Lisa knows her own mind." He says little else about her. He seemed more emotionally animated while discussing Brooke Shields than he did LMP! WHY, if there was oh so much love between them? Hmm...

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  99. Oh Yes Bonnie you are getting to the meat of the situation....I look forward to your next Blog!!!

    PS...Check out LMP's interview with Larry King and how she responds when the topic of molestation is discussed.

    PSS...I just want tell you once again I truly appreciate your hard work and dedication!!!!!

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  100. Bonnie, with all due respect, it is true that Lisa can be clumsy and careless in her words and immature in her actions but I do believe she loved Michael and I don't believe their relationship, on her part, can be reduced to her scheming in order to take ownership of her dad's songs from Michael. We all know that Lisa was the one who filed for divorce, and according to the Schmuley tapes, did not receive any money from that divorce. Michael says in the tapes that he was impressed with how Lisa "didn't ask for a dime" during the divorce. They did have a prenuptial agreement that wasn't made public. It would be VERY interesting to see what the terms were in that agreement in regard to the catalog and estate.

    Also, I do believe the phone call in 2005 did happen. One may want to doubt the phone call if it was just Michael making a simple social call, but she claims that he wanted to discuss his fears concerning his life as it related to his catalog and estate. She says he lists names. As we can all appreciate this is very serious as it relates to Michael's homicide investigation. Her video testimony could be brought in as evidence and the phone call verified. I think we're all aware that even though it was 2005, electronic phone records would still exist as to what phone numbers Michael was using at the time and who he called in 2005. It wouldn't be difficult for investigators to prove the existance of such a call. Of course they wouldn't have the audio portion of the call.

    Peace and love to all.

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  101. O.K. To add a little fuel to the fire. Concerning the Elvis songs in the Sony/ATV catalog. Elvis did a song called "Viva Las Vegas." That song is in the catalog and apparently Michael gave approval for the song to be used in a certain advertisment for a medication marketed to men. Of course the song was re-recorded with a new title to match the add campaign. In a past interview (I don't have the source handy) Lisa said that she and Michael got into it over the use of some of the songs, in particular the use of "Viva Las Vegas." Lisa didn't want her dad's music to be used to sell something "disgusting and vulgar" or words to that affect. It was used any way and I'm sure we've all seen the add. It ran for several years.

    Anyway, I thought I'd add that interesting piece of trivia.

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  102. Bonnie, perhaps I didn't look closely enough at the link posted by Ana, but I saw no mention of "Elvis" songs when they toured the secret room. So are you saying Lisa married Michael just to get at those songs? They why did she divorce him? I look forward to your update on this. Michael says they first met when she was seven and he was 17, although the relationship didn't commence until years later. He, Michael initiated it, not Lisa.

    That YT clip did touch on a few things though; interesting for one that Elvis had a pet chimp, so who knew? But when Michael acquired and kept Bubbles, he was vilified for it. Elvis' life was much more hidden in the 50's and 60's. Elvis' "secret room" contained so many invaluable memories, which now belong to Lisa, she commented how happy she was to have them.

    Look what is sadly happening to Michael's possessions (hopefully not all) - sold at auction, let's hope his children get some "memorabilia" of their father.

    Elvis died at his home, his father was still living, his "invaluables" were put under lock and key, and Priscilla and the caretakers have protected Elvis' legacy. Michael died in a rented house, and who knows where his "invaluables" wound up. Who in his family is protecting Michael's legacy? So sad to think about it. Wonder what happened to his countless awards. Let's hope they, at least, are with the family for his children.

    As for the 2005 conversation between Michael and Lisa not happening, that could easily have been edited out by Oprah if it wasn't true, because of Oprah's opening comment that M&L hadn't been in contact in more than a decade.

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  103. @SandyK - I just posted my same thoughts as you have more eloquently expressed about the reality of that 2005 call between L&M. I do believe it occurred, and can be confirmed in the manner you have suggested. Question is, how deep is the investigation going into such details?

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  104. Lady said, This interview did NOTHING to help Michael, except one thing...

    It showed that he was very much a normal man, with normal feelings, and normal desires. It also showed that he was prone to mistakes, and that unfortunately, he also chose the wrong woman to marry. That's all it did. Other than that, it still remains a more subdued, but nonetheless a "bashfest Oprah style."

    Sure in deed he chose a wrong woman to marry. I feel sorry for him. He deserved a better wife. Well, I guess we humans sometimes get attracted and fall in love to a wrong person for a mate.

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  105. June - You want to know what is sad? LMP sold 85% of Elvis's estate to Robert Sillerman (SFX Entertainment) in 2005. LMP maintains 15% of it but why did she sell it? (This does not include Graceland which she still owns 100% of)

    Oprah is not interested in editing "untruths" out. If she were, she would have ommitted all the drug talk or most of it. The 2005 conversation could have been Michael's goodbye because soon after he DUMPED everything, including management, employee-sycophants, accountants and moved to Bahrain IF there was even a phone call. Nobody has mentioned Lisa Marie in the family at all. Not during 2005 or beyond other than the Latoya interview.

    Michael was vulnerable after the 1993 allegations. He was also being syphoned by other legal challenges, employees, his label, etc . . . I do not believe Michael wanted Lisa back as she says. And it seemed real important for her to let people know she said something hurtful to Michael. I won't let too much out here but I have done some digging tonight.

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  106. SandyK - Posting that information about the viagra commercial (I remember it) and I don't believe Michael would have done such a thing to dishonor that song unless it was specifically done to jab Lisa Marie. And for Michael to do that, he had to have had a particular loathing for something she did.

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  107. SandyK - "I think we're all aware that even though it was 2005, electronic phone records would still exist as to what phone numbers Michael was using at the time and who he called in 2005. It wouldn't be difficult for investigators to prove the existance of such a call. Of course they wouldn't have the audio portion of the call."

    ----And IF of course . . . they CARED.

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    Miss Shae - This interview? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eImhVa7nKEk Yeah, that was LOVING of her!

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  108. Miss Shae - Thank you. I'm getting a migraine again. Why???? I didn't want to FIND THIS!!!!

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  109. @ SandyK: ""Also, calling Michael’s decision to have children with Debbie Rowe a retaliatory act – did she not think about how his 3 children might feel?

    I am happy Michael had his 3 children who he loved and who loved him unconditionally, and I would hate to have this statement hurt them. Lisa basically reduced their existence to an act of petulance. That was a petty thing to say."

    I admit that LMP's statement here rubbed me the wrong way. She may very well have felt this way at the time, but she needed to soften the blow, as it were, concidering who may be watching. I don't think she would ever intend to hurt MJ3 but her comment was very unfortunate and potentially hurtful."

    Oh, I don't think that she meant any hurtful words toward MJ3 either, at least directly. But it sure shows her lack of consideration and possible jealousy (for not having kids w/Michael-- in spite of only having her own self to blame) in that area as well.

    "Concerning the Elvis songs in the Sony/ATV catalog. Elvis did a song called "Viva Las Vegas." That song is in the catalog and apparently Michael gave approval for the song to be used in a certain advertisment for a medication marketed to men."

    Ahh yes...Viva...VIAGRA! Now...now...let's be fair. THAT commercial beats out "smiling Bob" by a long shot! ROFLMBO...

    @ June: "As for the 2005 conversation between Michael and Lisa not happening, that could easily have been edited out by Oprah if it wasn't true, because of Oprah's opening comment that M&L hadn't been in contact in more than a decade."

    That concerns me because Opie clearly states that LMP and Michael hadn't been in contact for more than a decade, but LMP talks about a 2005 incident, where she admits to making Michael cry because she had the soul-less ability to say, "I'm indifferent." to a man who's literally fighting for his life.

    Karma sucks, and it did hit in her direction, when Michael died. Most fans tended to take offense at her roleplay of the "grieving widow". Hence, they were "indifferent" to her.

    Maybe it's possible that the 2005 conversation IF it truly took place, really wasn't much of a conversation at all. It could've been one of those calls that lasted maybe 5 mins. and that was it. Who knows? In my mind, outside of LMP's admitted cold-heartedness, the whole speel is a moot point.

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  110. Lady - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eImhVa7nKEk Check out the love in this video. I'm livid. I can't post anymore tonight. She almost seems GLEEFUL. I have to go, OMG. This is just too much! Every single time I turn around! Lisa Marie! I used to be her advocate! Blind!

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  111. SandyK said - ""Also, calling Michael’s decision to have children with Debbie Rowe a retaliatory act – did she not think about how his 3 children might feel?

    I am happy Michael had his 3 children who he loved and who loved him unconditionally, and I would hate to have this statement hurt them. Lisa basically reduced their existence to an act of petulance. That was a petty thing to say."

    No she didn't. As a matter of fact Lisa Marie says NOTHING about Michael's children even though she SUPPOSEDLY traveled with him for four years. I agree with whoever posted about LMP's and Michael's PUBLIC OBLIGATIONS because I saw nothing after 1998 of them being together. Four years after the divorce would have taken them into 2000.
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    Truthbtold - Thank you for your comment on Ana's link. I may be using it in the update to deepen the research.

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  112. Bonnie- "Lady - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eImhVa7nKEk Check out the love in this video. I'm livid. I can't post anymore tonight. She almost seems GLEEFUL. I have to go, OMG. This is just too much! Every single time I turn around! Lisa Marie! I used to be her advocate! Blind!"

    I know about the whole Larry King interview. That's another reason why I can't fully trust a word that comes out of her mouth, unless I do some checking. She's either a chronic liar, a fake, or a drama queen. Or worse... ALL of the above! I say we should nominate her for an Oscar. Her performance of a wannabee human being is simply astounding!

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  113. Anapassionheart - Again {{{♥♥♥}}}

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  114. Bonnie- "No she didn't. As a matter of fact Lisa Marie says NOTHING about Michael's children even though she SUPPOSEDLY traveled with him for four years. I agree with whoever posted about LMP's and Michael's PUBLIC OBLIGATIONS because I saw nothing after 1998 of them being together. Four years after the divorce would have taken them into 2000."

    I was the one who mentioned "public obligations" per an old interview with LaToya Jackson. I did a search on YT again for it, but it appears to have come up "missing in action" primarily in favor of all the "Oh, LMP loved MJ (and vice versa) soooo much crap videos." In any case, I'm unsurprised. So, if anyone finds that interview featuring LaToya talking about MJ's marriage to LMP being a "business arrangement", go ahead and let us know! Thanks!

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  115. OMG ! what a tremendous blog activity on this LMP/Oprah "show" ! Thank you Bonnie & you all for the very interesting analysis comments on that subject.

    A bit high with emotion I was too but the more I read about it the more I think : the "show" was BAD, driven by selfish ego if not by Sony, Scientology & Co., without real respect for Michael (a man with his own defaults maybe but generally a good man).

    Much more important is what the Jackson family now has to say or will undertake for Michael & what the future trials will bring for Justice. Only thereafter may Michael's family & all true fans come out of mourning while keeping a very fond memory of him.

    Till then, Good week to you all !

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  116. Oops-sorry ! "Much more important is .." should read "much more important than LMP's comments is.."

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  117. Guys, check out these pics from 1998. The two of them look very close: http://presleyjackson.freepowerboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=55

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  118. Bonnie, you said "Oprah is not interested in editing untruths out" in reply to my statement that Oprah could have edited out the statement from LMP about her 2005 discussion with Michael where he said he feared for his life and gave her names.

    Respectfully, we do not know this statement by LMP is an "untruth". Anytime in 2005, either before or after the trial, was a hellacious time for Michael, who could have been reaching out and hoping Lisa would help him. Or, as you say, he could have been saying goodbye.

    However, whether LMP's statement about this 2005 talk is true or not, LMP MADE the statement; whether it's considered hearsay or not, LMP MADE the statement, and I don't think it should get lost amongst discussions of who traveled with who and when, rights to Elvis' songs, what LMP said in past interviews and, yes, even how her statements may affect MJ3.

    Lisa said (I'm paraphrasing) that Michael gave her names of people who he thought were trying to kill him and, as SandyK has said, a record of the convo can be tracked. Why is that subject not at the TOP of everyone's agenda rather than becoming lost amid who hurt who and who said what in a certain interview?

    I don't use twitter or facebook but if I did I wouldn't hesitate to spread THAT word! If LMP's statement about this 2005 call is a lie, then she needs to be called out on it; if it's the truth, it's VERY meaningful at THIS time, IMO.

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  119. I still don't want to believe this about Lisa Marie BUT...

    That Larry King interview in 2005 made me sick. Michael fighting for his life and she WOULD NOT comment?! Interesting she didn't have any trouble refusing Larry King, telling him she wouldn't discuss it. Blows my previous thoughts out of the water about her being lead by Oprah due to being gullible. (I must be the gullible one!) Benign? More of a malignancy for Michael. And yes, her glee is disgusting, cold-hearted. It had been 10 years since their divorce and she hadn't softened a bit.

    The thing about the many hours conversation in 2005 that nags at me is if she was so indifferent (also keep in mind her attitude on LK in the same year) why would she stay on the phone to him for so long? And why would he want to when he would have picked up on her steely attitude?

    It's ironic she is married to a "Michael". It was surely to some degree hurtful to Michael that she gave her new Michael children.

    Adding to my comment on the 2006 Oprah tour of Graceland - LMP & Oprah have been cozy for years! Oprah even called her "cousin". So much for her being manipulated by Oprah in the recent interview. Surely they would have discussed in detail prior to the interview what would be covered. Perhaps on their recent hiking trip? And, it was Lisa who began with discussing "manipulation", though she seemed to keep in the context of the press...at first.

    So much for giving Lisa the benefit of doubt. I'm beginning to see where she may have been clearing the way for her upcoming album.

    So, how does LMP and Oprah being related play into the Presley's prejudice issue? Does it matter? I found a website citing that where their families intersect is 14 generations back. If they are related then it is so distant that I too may be related to Elvis!

    Bonnie said: SandyK - "Posting that information about the viagra commercial (I remember it) and I don't believe Michael would have done such a thing to dishonor that song unless it was specifically done to jab Lisa Marie. And for Michael to do that, he had to have had a particular loathing for something she did."

    Michael was very clever with his jabs, didn't have to say a word. This reminds me of him buying Eminem's songs after he insulted Michael. So...I wouldn't be surprised if "Viagra" has significance in this incident. Perhaps Lisa insulted his sexuality?

    Another thing, there is not even a chance Michael did not know that he was living across the street from Elvis' summer home. Another calculated jab at Lisa? Surely he chose that home to rent, I wouldn't think it was chosen for him.

    Wow!

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  120. I've been looking for the Latoya video for her comment about the marriage, but no luck. However, in searching Google "web" for past news items (not videos) there are a few hits where Bob Jones and Ian Halperin mention in passing that Michael's marriage was a sham. I didn't post the link because there was nothing to corroborate that statement, which renders it useless for our purposes. Both of these people have an agenda that is unfavorable to Michael. Jones for being fired, so he decides to write a tell-all book. Halperin is pure tabloid, whose unnamed sources (like non-existent!) talk about Michael's homosexuality. Claiming proof without substance is a contradiction, but a familiar recipe for slander. End of story.

    Getting back to Latoya, many people have labeled her a scatterbrain who makes up stories to get press coverage. Maybe some of it is true, although I think it was more prevalent years ago when she was in that horrid marriage with Jack Gordon. When she talks about it today, she still gets emotional, and I believe Latoya has redeemed herself with regard to Michael. She has also been the most courageous along with Joe Jackson in speaking publicly without fear about their suspicions regarding Michael's death.

    If we go by our instincts and the majority of opinions on this blog, all indications point to Latoya possibly being correct about Michael and LMP. A marriage for financial reasons, convenience, mutual publicity, or to deflect a negative press would require at least a mutual "friendship," but not necessarily a deep love or commitment.

    From what has been reported, Lisa had separate living quarters at Neverland, which, I assume included her own bedroom as well. She made a conscious decision not to physically "move in" to Michael's home, and had no intention of moving out of her own home. In essence we're looking at a situation where LMP pretty much lived at Neverland as Michael's "guest" during the marriage. How odd, that a newlywed would not want to spend every waking (and sleeping) moment with her new husband, in HIS living quarters, in HIS bedroom, in HIS home! For all intents and purposes, the marriage showed classic signs of being temporary. I don't know, are all Hollywood marriages like this?

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  121. I don't say this to infer anything negative against Michael or LMP. It just means that when that deep level of emotional commitment is absent in a relationship, chances are you will not be able to convey what was never there to begin with. If the marriage was for publicity, or perhaps to help Michael get the vicious media off his back after the 1993 nightmare, it simply means Lisa is not the best actress. If she was hoping to convey this great love for a man who was, in her words "intoxicating," she failed miserably.

    But I feel LMP went beyond failing as an actress in that she revealed an empty void where her heart is, at least where Michael was concerned. Body language is very telling, and I still stand by my first assessment regarding LMP's demeanor with Oprah. Whatever "vow of commitment" she made to the marriage, and for whatever reason, it did not include her SOUL.

    When they married, Michael had offered Lisa a record contract, which she claims she refused because she was not looking to get anything from Michael. Perhaps not, but like it or not, Lisa will now always be known as the ex-wife of Michael Jackson, and one couldn't have prayed for better publicity than that! She may not have taken the record deal then, but thanks to Michael Lisa ended up with something better. More media exposure than she could ever hope for. With her new album, she can thank Michael for putting her name on the map. Yes! When it comes to branding, the Presley name in my view is exclusively ELVIS. But for Lisa Marie's career, the JACKSON name is golden and trumps them all. I am convinced that if her sales are good, it will not be because people want to hear Lisa Marie PRESLEY, but curious to hear Michael Jackson's wife. Excuse me, EX-wife. Excuse me...house guest.

    Sorry if some think I'm being over the top, but until we see some redeeming reasons for LMP giving this interview, I feel this was totally self serving. There is not one person who came within arm's length of Michael during his entire life who did not benefit from him in one way or another. For me, Lisa Marie is simply one more.

    I have cringed so many times watching her speak of Michael with such a ridiculing and mocking tone that I cannot comprehend what drives her personal philosophy. She comes across completely unsympathetic. From the mother-daughter bashing, to telling Larry King it was all "benign" while laughing as Michael was in a fight for his life, to this latest interview. LMP has done all she could to distance herself from any connection to Michael, and left me feeling empty. Once again, and tragically, for the last time, someone has managed to strip Michael of his dignity.

    Hey LMP, didn't you thank God that you never have to mention Michael's name again for as long as you live? You can relax now, because we're pretty sure he will never be calling you, or anyone else again! Good luck with your album. It's all about priorities, isn't it?

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  122. JUne said - "Lisa said (I'm paraphrasing) that Michael gave her names of people who he thought were trying to kill him and, as SandyK has said, a record of the convo can be tracked. Why is that subject not at the TOP of everyone's agenda rather than becoming lost amid who hurt who and who said what in a certain interview?"

    It is all over the internet and common knowledge that Lisa Marie is NOT THE ONLY PERSON Michael gave names of those trying to kill him. It was a statement made by Lisa Marie during this interview AFTER IT HAS ALREADY BEEN HEARD FROM OTHERS. If it was so monumental then why isn't Oprah out there interviewing everyone else about it? (Because it's not monumental to her).

    Why did Lisa bring it up? It was kind of stuck in there as an after thought and after everything she did to him I guess they needed to make it "believable" that he would call her or have the long conversation with her she says they had. And I agree with whoever posted that MICHAEL JACKSON never stayed close to anyone who hurt him before, why would he hang on the phone with Lisa . . . as SHE says, after telling him SHE WAS INDIFFERENT? I'm sorry, but I am not buying that.

    You look at all these other interviews with Lisa Marie . . . I'm sorry, but there is NO LOVE THERE for Michael Jackson . . . none. I wish I did, I really do, but I do not see it. I have tried.

    June, the truth is with Michael not Lisa Marie. I believe Michael loved her yes. But he's not stupid and he's not going to continue running after someone who not only hurt him but seemed to take pleasure in doing so. Michael talked about it without mentioning names in the Schmuley tapes, he was interviewed and only mentioned Lisa Marie once in an interview I saw after they divorced where he said, "Lisa knows her own mind". He was never publicly unkind to her and DID think of her children. Lisa Marie? No way. They way she talked about him when his trial was going on? They way she talked about him in MOST INTERVIEWS afterwards and this latest one? An attempt to redeem herself, without taking blame, while plugging an album and covering her rear end.

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  123. Truthbtold2 - I didn't want to believe it about Lisa Marie either. I FOUGHT myself I am still fighting myself over this. But you have everything she's done from the time of their divorce slapping Michael in the face and we're supposed to believe her over one Oprah Interview that she is admittedly giving to "clear things up" because she has a new album coming out?

    Think about this . . . If Lisa Marie and Michael DID have this conversation in 2005 and Michael REALLY asked her if she loved him and Lisa Marie's response was "I'm in different" and Michael "cried" . . . why would Michael have not gone back to Lisa after the letter writing Michael said she did? Why not after this "four years" (which I think was Lisa-stretched) of traveling together?

    Discovery period during the trial was between the latter part of 2003 through 2004 before that trial actually began early 2005. When did that Viagra commercial come out with the "Viva Las Vegas" song? But before then even did Michael know something?

    We are also being sold on the idea that it was LMP that broke up with Michael. Michael never publicly badmouth's anyone. People still want to believe that he didn't know what was going on, just because he didn't shoot off his mouth about everything he knew.

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  124. Thanks Spotlight! I remember this too... "If we go by our instincts and the majority of opinions on this blog, all indications point to Latoya possibly being correct about Michael and LMP. A marriage for financial reasons, convenience, mutual publicity, or to deflect a negative press would require at least a mutual "friendship," but not necessarily a deep love or commitment.

    From what has been reported, Lisa had separate living quarters at Neverland, which, I assume included her own bedroom as well. She made a conscious decision not to physically "move in" to Michael's home, and had no intention of moving out of her own home. In essence we're looking at a situation where LMP pretty much lived at Neverland as Michael's "guest" during the marriage. How odd, that a newlywed would not want to spend every waking (and sleeping) moment with her new husband, in HIS living quarters, in HIS bedroom, in HIS home! For all intents and purposes, the marriage showed classic signs of being temporary. I don't know, are all Hollywood marriages like this?"

    As full of drugs, sex, and the Universe only knows what, Tinseltown marriages are FAR from anything like the Jackson/Presley union. Yes, it's true that LMP would visit Neverland, it's also been storied that she maintained her own home elsewhere, and Michael would visit there as well. What normal newlywed relationship maintains TWO separate households??? Also, it must also be stated that Michael bought a home for Debbie Rowe while she was married to him, BUT we all can understand that one.

    "With her new album, she can thank Michael for putting her name on the map. Yes! When it comes to branding, the Presley name in my view is exclusively ELVIS. But for Lisa Marie's career, the JACKSON name is golden and trumps them all. I am convinced that if her sales are good, it will not be because people want to hear Lisa Marie PRESLEY, but curious to hear Michael Jackson's wife. Excuse me, EX-wife. Excuse me...house guest."

    Oh yeah! I agree with this except "With her new album, she can thank Michael for putting her name on the map." Let's clarify a bit, shall we? With ALL of her albums, she can thank Michael for putting her name on the map!

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    Bonnie said- "We are also being sold on the idea that it was LMP that broke up with Michael. Michael never publicly badmouth's anyone. People still want to believe that he didn't know what was going on, just because he didn't shoot off his mouth about everything he knew."

    Another "Thank U!!!" Yes, I DO believe that LMP was the one who filed for divorce, but for all intents and purposes, Michael had already "exited the stage door right" on her long before she did.

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  125. TODAY IS THE 25TH - remember to light a candle for our sweet angel. Michael, we remain forever vigilant, until justice for you is served...in this life, or the next. My heart is with yours.

    ♥ ♥ ♥

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  126. One more thing... Who else remembers that when Michael had collapsed prior to the HBO show, which landed him in the hospital for 6 days (Lisa concurs about this), that Lisa Marie was FAR from being the concerned, loving WIFE when she showed up at the hospital??? I remember reading reports that Lisa Marie was in fact, THROWN OUT of the hospital because medical personnel claimed that she was upsetting their patient (Michael). Now, put that one together with a short time later, she'd filed for divorce. Hmm... In any case, I quote: "Following several more troubled months, Jackson ended up in hospital; he had collapsed while rehearsing for a concert in New York. Presley arrived to meet her ill husband and yet another heated debate ensued. The argument ended after Jackson warned her that she was making his heart rate go up and asked her to leave. She obliged, being admonished by a doctor and Jackson's mother Katherine along the way.[30] Once Presley had left the building, she returned to Los Angeles. Upon being discharged from hospital, Jackson went to Disneyland Paris to recover. Defying his wife, the singer had at least six children accompany him.[30]"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_relationships_of_Michael_Jackson

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  127. On the other hand-- a bright spot if you will... THIS was a good relationship (it's an old article dating back to July 8, 2009): http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/07/08/michael-jackson-elizabeth-taylors-friendship-spanned-decades/

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  128. Thank you lady for the report from the HBO Special and Spotlight thank YOU for getting the "25th" on there.

    It is with a very, VERY heavy heart that I have to post this blog today.

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  129. The timing of Viva Viagra:

    Apparently it first aired in March 2008? (see comment) & auditions (In Nashville) were "a couple months back", so January?:

    http://sistasmiff.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/viva-viagra/

    What else was happening in March 2008? Well, the first report (Star Magazine) and photo of LMP pregnant with twin girls (Daily Mail) for one! VERY pregnant so I imagine she had been showing for awhile even though she was only 4 1/2 months along.

    http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=%22star+magazine%22+lisa+marie+presley+twins&d=4695679290509028&mkt=en-GB&setlang=en-&w=2b28d951,2b5dc265

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-536748/Pregnant-Lisa-Marie-Presley-expecting-twins-U-S-magazine-claims.html

    "Lisa Marie, 40, was then engaged to rocker John Oszajca before marrying Lockwood in Japan, in January 2006."

    Photo caption:
    "The first picture of Lisa Marie pregnant, taken at a lunch in LA in March. Her agent confirmed a baby was on the way the following week"

    June 2008:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1025013/Pregnant-Presley-Lisa-Marie-shows-bump.html

    August 2008 LMP confirms she's expecting twins:

    http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/news/celebrity/269208/lisa-marie-presley-expecting-twins.html

    One of those articles states that LMP and her husband had been trying for a year. I'm sure Michael could have heard about that. Maybe he was trying to help...give them a boost?

    LOL! Sorry, couldn't resist. :o)

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  130. PART ONE: Lisa Marie on Michael: Was He Manipulative and Callous?
    by Johanna Williams on Monday, October 25, 2010 at 2:32pm

    After watching Lisa Marie on Oprah, I was deeply disturbed and had a sick feeling in my stomach all day. I'm glad that Lisa has managed to get over her anger and 'stuff' after Michael died, but with this interview, she inadvertently created a negative image and even more misconceptions about Michael.

    She made it out like Michael was an awful person, showing us the "human side" of him that only she got to see behind closed doors. This was very disturbing, partly because I don't like to think of Michael that way, but also, something didn't feel right.

    She flat out called him a manipulator. That's not the Michael I know. The love, the gentle demeanour, the kindness - that was not put on. People who manipulate others by being nice always comes off as insincere. Michael never did. Someone who is that genuinely loving and kind cannot be a manipulator. You simply can't be both at the same time. You would need a hard and cunning heart to do that, and Michael was anything but.

    This whole manipulation thing stemmed from one thing -

    Quote from Lisa's interview in Rolling Stone (2003):
    (http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/interview_lisamarie_rollingstone.shtml)

    "At this point, she was still married [to Danny Keough], and they [Michael and her] were yet to become boyfriend and girlfriend. 'He called me a lot', she says. 'Confided in me a lot. Which could be very manipulative--I don't know. I hung out with him more, and I made the mistake of saying I was not happy in my marriage, and the courting started. And I left my marriage probably quicker than I would have, and that was probably one of the bigger mistakes of my whole life.' "

    She was not happy with Danny, but instead of making an effort to work things out, she ran off with another man. She blames Michael for manipulating her by being very charming and and 'sucking her in'. A man calling up a woman he likes and sending her flowers and candy is not manipulation, it's courtship! But in her mind, it was Michael who made her leave Danny, because this is easier than looking at yourself in the mirror and seeing someone who left her husband for another man, isn't it? Looks like Miss Lisa still has some growing up to do. But the world wouldn't know this, would they? They would just take her for her word that Michael was a manipulative SOB.

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  131. PART TWO

    She also said that Michael treated her like she was disposable. Again, you'd have to be a very hard-hearted person to do that, and Michael was anything but hard-hearted.

    Michael was highly sensitive to rejection, having been abused. So, as a defense mechanism, he would push people away before they can push him away. This way, he would always be safe because he can never be rejected. Lisa herself said how "he would ice you out if he felt vulnerable". Right there - she said it!! But unfortunately, she didn't understand what she said.

    It was not a healthy coping mechanism, to be sure. He was not conscious of why he behaved this way (or else he wouldn't be behaving this way). If your partner acted like "I don't need you", would you be begging to go back? Probably not. He iced her out to protect himself from great imminent pain - now he's the the dumper, not the dumped. If they had gone for counselling, they could've figured this out, but they didn't.

    It's very unfortunate that Lisa hung all this out in public because now the world will think that "the private Michael" was actually a callous and heartless person when in fact he was not. He was very emotionally fragile. He desperately wanted to be loved, and he was merely acting out of fear of not being loved.

    They both had their issues. However, this was a private matter between them and should've stayed that way. Did Michael go round the talk show circuit discussing what she did wrong?

    But now this too shall also be added to the heap of misconceptions that the public has of Michael.

    Must they continue to hurt him so? Will this never stop?

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  132. This little Tweet has sure stirred up a bit of "witch's brew"! Let's put it this way, Karen Faye doesn't speak too well about LMP:

    https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BxaHBrGpwZvhNzE1ZDU0MmMtNjU2ZC00OGNiLWJkOWQtYzE3MTVjOTNmMGE4&hl=en&authkey=COXQr-IE
    https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BxaHBrGpwZvhZTIyOTcyYjctZTc2My00NDQ3LWE3ZmEtNTI2MWEyNzI1NjIw&hl=en&authkey=CNvShM4G
    https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BxaHBrGpwZvhMjgxZDdiNjMtMDljYy00Yjk5LWE0YjYtNGE5YjM4ZjdjZDQ5&hl=en&authkey=CP7Yv-IE

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  133. @Lady,Thanks for sharing the links....

    Hmmmm Karen was speaking from her perspective and I believe its alot of truth in her words.

    Know we understand why Lisa is on her 4th husband. Jealousy and Control...It also explains why she now claims she knew Michael tried really hard with her more so than any other woman he dealt with.

    Michael was a gentle spirit but he was not a whipped puppy and thats why she got iced out. I bet Michael thanked God they didn't have a child together once he realized the spoiled, jealous, vindictive little control freak she really was. I bet she would drink and chain smoke and raise pure hell....Whewww

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  134. Lady ~ "This little Tweet has sure stirred up a bit of "witch's brew"! Let's put it this way, Karen Faye doesn't speak too well about LMP"

    Great...opposing pirates battling over the treasure. Just what is needed, more drama!

    Interesting Karen Faye mentions LMP using Michael to promote her album, seems to be a parallel there with KF and her cosmetic line, huh?

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  135. More info on the "Viva Viagra" advert. It first aired in July 23, 2007.

    "The latest ad ran last night on NBC Nightly News. It featured a boomer boy band (see screen shots below) singing to the Elvis tune of "Viva Las Vegas" only this time it was "Viva Viagra" they were shouting."

    Source 1:
    http://pharmamkting.blogspot.com/2007/07/viva-viagra-ad-is-no-cure-for-morte_24.html

    Source 2:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aOofz4dqdjHU&refer=healthcare

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  136. I found this interesting comment. It discusses another reason that may have prevented Lisa from having children with Michael and that had to do with her being a Scientologist and Michael not being one and not wanting to be one. (No disrespect is meant to those that are Scientologists. This is for information only.)

    "...but there’s one element that I haven’t seen discussed anywhere – what role does Scientology play in this? Lisa Marie is a long-time Scientologist, as were her first husband, and her present husband. MJ was the big one who got away. No way was he going to sign away his money and his personal autonomy to the Scientologists, especially after distancing himself from the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    It’s been theorized that Oprah is a secret Scientologist, and I believe that idea has merit. Look at who gets fawned over in multiple guest shots on her show – John Travolta, Lisa Marie and Priscilla Presley, Kirstie Alley, Tom Cruise, all big-time Scientologists.

    MJ wouldn’t succumb to Lisa Marie’s efforts to convert him, so that made him fair game for destruction of his public image."

    Interesting thought which I think has merit.

    Source:
    http://allforloveblog.com/?p=4279

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  137. This is regarding my previous posting about what Karen Faye had written in an email about LMP. Unfortunately, this is what happens when Karen Faye gets caught in her own BS stew...

    @wingheart Karen, there has been some HATEFUL comments that you've made about LMP going around, can you confirm if you wrote them or not? about 5 hours ago via web

    @wingheart Alright, but can you confirm if you wrote this or not? about 4 hours ago via web in reply to wingheart

    @wingheart Well, can you confirm it? about 4 hours ago via web in reply to wingheart

    @wingheart The hateful comments you've made about LMP have been going around since 2007...it'd be great if you'd finally confirm/deny them.. about 4 hours ago via web in reply to wingheart

    @wingheart Yes, but when I read those comments, they just make you look like a huge hypocrite. (no offense) about 4 hours ago via web in reply to wingheart

    @wingheart Okay, but is it true that you hated LMP at one point? Going as far as saying "Lisa Marie is a very evil little girl." (excerpt) about 4 hours ago via web in reply to wingheart

    @wingheart The excerpts also said MJ was the most miserable man ever when he was married to LMP & she was horrible to him. Is THAT true? about 4 hours ago via web

    @wingheart Oh my goodness, I'd just like a nice yes or no. Not a game at all, why are you becoming so defensive? So, they must be true then? about 4 hours ago via web in reply to wingheart

    http://twitter.com/InfinityFusion

    Karen's responses...

    @InfinityFusion I did say things I believed to be true. But once LMP and I spoke & shared info, we came to understand things more clearly about 5 hours ago via TweetList! in reply to InfinityFusion

    @InfinityFusion no I can't, I have not read what is being passed around. I do not intend to either. I am not interested in this fan game. about 4 hours ago via TweetList! in reply to InfinityFusion

    @InfinityFusion LMP and I are clear, and that is what is important to me. We have made our peace &through understanding, became close about 4 hours ago via TweetList! in reply to InfinityFusion

    @InfinityFusion People change when they can open up and see the bigger picture. If you call that hypocritical, I really don't care. about 4 hours ago via TweetList! in reply to InfinityFusion

    @InfinityFusion I call it "enlightened" about 4 hours ago via TweetList! in reply to InfinityFusion

    @InfinityFusion I am a better person now, and so is LMP, because we each have grown and learned. Neither of us is perfect yet ;) about 4 hours ago via TweetList! in reply to InfinityFusion

    @InfinityFusion what part don't you understand about: I AM NOT GOING TO PLAY YOUR FAN GAME about 4 hours ago via TweetList! in reply to InfinityFusion

    http://twitter.com/wingheart

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  138. Duh!!! http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2010/10/lisa-maries-mom-shared-michaels-ex.html

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  139. I find this very odd. I also noticed that Lisa Marie was not among the invitees to the Jackson house, but Debbie Rowe was. Just an observation.
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    Bonnie, please explain this because Katherine Jackson stated in the most recent interview she had never met Debbie Rowe. Debbie Rowe was NOT invited to the September 3rd Memorial service, she did not attend the July Memorial at staples, but she made herself very assesible to be photographed in her barn crying. Sorry, but I question Ms. Rowe. I like you and others who read this Blog live in the real world and Debbie Rowe made a life decision to benefit herself, to never have to work, to life off the money Michael paid her to be a surrogate. Their are stories of why he married her, that was never in the original deal. Who knows where she will remain as the years go by in the lives of the kids. I think like an adopted child who finds the biological parent, sometimes they remain friendly, sometimes not. I tend to think it all depends on what Prince and Paris find out about Debbie Rowe, things she has said, how she strong armed their father financially, and the comments she has made that are all available on YouTube about not having them to be a mother.. it was for Michael to be a father. In my life, that would seal it for me.

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  140. Jenn said, "Their are stories of why he married her, that was never in the original deal."

    You're right. In the research that I've done over the last year+ Michael never intended on marrying Debbie. She was to be a surragate and that was it. From what I've read, Katherine (Michael's mom) insisted that Michael marry the mother of his child. She was not happy with the surrogate scenerio. Also, life was getting very complicated for Debbie once the media learned that she was carrying Michael's child. In an interview Debbie said that there were offers being made of over a $ million for pictures of her pregnant. She says that one of the main reason's she split from Michael was to get her life back and be able to do ordinary things like buy groceries without being hounded. She didn't want to be a "celebrity."

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  141. hi Bonnie,
    I recall that there was a You Tube
    video of Michael and Lisa back stage at one of his concerts after they divorced. I cannot look at You Tube videos from where I am but you can do a Google search for: "lisa marie and michael jackson backstage" and it all should come up.

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  142. Bonnie - I am pleased and admire you for your willingness to listen to others point of view and possibly amend your point of view. I agree with much of what Truthbtold2all has said and pointed out. I think it is impossible to "read" what LMP really meant or what she didn't say, etc. There is SO much we don't know about their relationship and never will. However, I do believe that in every video or picture I have ever seen, I have seen nothing but love and adoration in LMP's eyes when she would look at him. Except of course at the MTV Awards which was so near the end of their relationship, and I believe she was angry and hurt. I believe it is very natural and normal to come to a new awareness about someone after they pass away. Imagine if she loved him as she said she did, and regretted "taking a stand" and then having to follow through and leave. The pain of all of it would come flooding back when the realization that he was gone forever really hit.

    I certainly "cringed" as someone else said, at certain parts of the interview, but I would hold Oprah so much more responsible than LMP. And as many have said, who knows what is on the cutting room floor. I personally came away from the interview believing all the more that she loved him and he loved her and it did my heart good to know MJ had that in his life, if even for a moment. I believe he was born to give to the world, and probably could not have sustained a marriage with anyone for any great length of time. He had a much higher purpose and love.

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  143. most fans dont understand that interviews r always pre-done, ppl act like oprah just went all the way over there set her camera crew up and started the interview right then and there NO!lol thats not the way it goes ppl... whenever celebs do interviews they know exactly what the journalist is gonna ask they do a pre interview before the interview is even taped so they can rehearse and alot of times the celebs arranges what questions they want them to ask and what not to tlk about, so most of the questions oprah asked lmp was what lmp told oprah to ask and bring up.... do u really think oprah cared to bring up debbie rowe?!?! she brought her up because lmp told her to make sure she ask her about debbie cause shes clearly still bitter and jealous and wants ppl to think that debbie was this horrible person who was tryna break up there marriage and once again its "oh poor lisa... if it wasnt for debbie" lmp knew the questions oprah was gonna ask... she practically wrote them herslf, they had been rehearsing the interview for along time

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  144. Bonnie,

    You posted your latest blog "Finally! And Then There was Light!" at 11:11AM.

    If one is to recognize the spiritual significance of this number message than one is aware that there is certainly Magic at work here.

    Michael Magic perhaps...


    (((hugs)))

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