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Michael Jackson Justice: Conrad Murray Ordered to Stand Trial

God: Reconnect to Him

The Conspiracy against God is about "The Word", and the profaning of His Holy Name within us. Adam fell in the garden, breaking the direct connection to God. Jesus, the "last Adam" was a quickening Spirit, the Word made Flesh, and the only one with whom we can re-establish our relationship with God. Michael's story is still unfolding. He is the one who is, is not. But Jesus is the only name given under heaven by which we must be saved. Many are trying to rewrite HIStory. We were given a help to instruct us. Learn more "here".

Wednesday, January 12, 2011

Conrad Murray Ordered to Stand Trial


January 12, 2011 – Conrad Murray Ordered to Stand Trial
The Middle Section of the Bridge



Dr. Conrad Murray is going to trial for the homicide of Michael Jackson.  During the course of the six day testimony, some surprising and very upsetting details have made their way to the press.  I have had phone calls from friends, upset by what they have heard and read.  One of the more persistent questions I keep getting asked:

“Do you still hold any hope that Michael is alive somewhere?”

My answer is, Yes I do.  I also am glad that this is going to trial (as opposed to another delaying pre-trial) because this trial is necessary in finding out what it is that did happen.

If it was not Michael that died, then who did?

Was there a death?

Was Murray responsible?

We’ve heard about testimony from the witnesses that were called.  In the time that it has taken between June 25, 2009 and this order for Murray to stand trial, we have uncovered some of the most heinous examples and evidence of press and media tampering, news manipulation, character assassination and financial sabotage enacted on a human being by his own employees and companies he employed to provide services to him as any have ever seen.

I want to caution you that the same press and media that lied about Michael Jackson is the same press and media reporting on this trial.  There is no transmission from the court room for a reason.  It will be quite revealing to learn what the media reports compared to what is actually said in the court room.

The same entities behind the direction of the media and the press are still there during the reporting of this pre-trial and the trial.  Nothing has changed.

The same little gang-stalkers who manipulated fans on the internet, sold their merchandise and solicited money from fans in Michael’s name are the same ones congregating around the court house and twittering cones to direct public opinion.

You can follow the blueprint of what led up to Michael’s trial in 2005 and this is what is happening in Murray’s case, right down to the suggestions that AEG was behind it.  Case in point:

God is His Life

THIS IS NOT IT
We wish we could thank all the fans who helped and supported us thru our thirst for Justice but especially we want to thank Samantha De Gosson for her countless work and love for Michael and also Taaj, Phonechrist, Katja, Karla, Linda among others, plus all the followers who contributed to the creation of TINI and know the real truth. Thanks to all TINI admins and moderators. Be All Strong 'cos Justice will be done.

This is the same TINI who is promoting Ron Sweet and his membership website of “rare” Michael Jackson photos and MJ memorabilia, who could only DO SO with the BLESSING OF THE ESTATE EXECUTORS.

The same TINI who had their campaigns and testimonies ready to go before June 25th, 2009 and the same TINI who’s group of happenstance “fans” managed to scrape together enough funds to afford a website managed and hosted by the same company that takes care of Sony, Universal Pictures and Warner Brothers.

Yes, let’s give it to them, they worked so hard deceiving fans into working with the very people that tried to kill Michael, steal his catalog and obliterate his message.


Every once in a while, it just gets overwhelming, the answers God gives us.  Yesterday, when hearing the verdict of Murray being ordered to trial, I thought, "here we go . . ."  This is where the lies are going to begin to be separated from the truth.  Once that happens, TINI won’t matter. 

Isaiah 28:14 & 15 - 

herefore hear the word of the LORD, you scornful men,
      Who rule this people who
are in Jerusalem,
       15 Because you have said, “We have made a covenant with death,
      And with Sheol we are in agreement.
      When the overflowing scourge passes through,
      It will not come to us,
      For we have made lies our refuge,
      And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves.”

Some highlights from the trial on the 10th and 11th include:

Evidence of Murray ordering large amounts of Propofol, Lorazepam and midazolam in a two month time span totally 255 vials of Propofol, 2 trays and 20 vials of midazolam, and 20 vials of Lorazepam.

Admission of Murray’s cell phone calls as evidence.

Entry by the defense that Michael may have drank juice laced Propofol  that Michael mixed himself.  (this is too stupid even for fiction).

 Testimony from LAPD that Murray told them that Michael begged Murray for Propofol and that with Michael’s help (pushing in the Propofol) Murray finally gave it to him.  LAPD SAID that Murray told them Michael liked to take his own Propofol.

Coroner refutes Murray’s testimony saying if LAPD was telling the truth about what Murray told them (aha!) then Michael would have been awake after 3  - 5 minutes of sleep.  (remember, under oath meant nothing to the Arvizos, what makes you think it means anything to half of the witnesses in this case).

A doctor for the coroner’s office testifies that even if Michael did inject himself, Murray is still guilty of homicide for administering and making available the drug outside a hospital setting.

The prosecution rests and a decision is made.  Murray is ordered to stand trial and arraignment is set for January 25th at 8:30am.  Source

I hold no confidence that the LAPD is telling the truth.  I hold no confidence that lawyers on either side are telling the truth and I hold no confidence that the press will get ANY of this right.

Again we are left with the responsibility of having to piece together the information that makes sense and connects. This time around, however, we are educated enough about the “patterns” of certain parties to be aware of their drama and not let it effect how we hear or see the evidence presented.  We hope.

Some of the more shocking and emotional driven testimony included:

Faheed Muhammad testified that both Prince and Paris saw Murray trying to revive Michael from a cracked door.

Faheed also testified that Murray told him that he had never administered CPR before and told Faheed and Alvarez  that he had never given “mouth-to-mouth” before but had  to because Michael was his friend.

Murray tried to cover for the drugs in the room by asking Alvarez to collect the bottles around the room.  Michael Amir Williams also testified that Murray asked him to go back to the house to put away “cream” that he said that Michael would not want the world to know about (this is something to remember, take note of this) and Williams refused.

Paramedic Sennef testified that he did not recognize Michael and that he “looked like a hospice patient”.  He testified  that Murray, even though Michael was noticeable dead, wanted him to insert a central line.  He also testified that when he went to pick Michael up from the floor, Michael was already cold to the touch.  (This is also important, as is the timing the Murray said he left the room).

Williams also testified that Murray wanted to leave the hospital to get something to eat after learning Michael was gone.  Source

Hoax believers – I checked on the euthanasia laws by state, those believing that an ill friend took the place of Michael.  Just so we get this out of the way, California is one of the 34 states that have criminalized assisted suicides, so this did not happen in this case.  Source

I have my theories on this, you know I do, but it is too soon to tell.

I will direct you to this link, as yesterday we had brought up E. Casanova and his mysterious illness and disappearance-reappearance via Myspace.

Some of the discrepancies in Michael’s body build and height/weight may have to do with this.   I am not swearing by this, I am only making comparisons.  Since I took the time to look it up, I thought I would share it.  Source

If you compare the pictures of Michael standing next to E.Casanova, you will see that Michael is slightly taller than Casanova.  On the Imbd website, Casanova is listed as 5 feet, 10 inches.  That would make the stats on Michael’s mug shot from 2005 correct at 5 feet, 11 inches.

Michael’s Arrest Photo


At 0:19 minutes THIS PUBLICITY PHOTO on E.Casanova’s original website is the same one that is the second from the left on the back center line of pictures on the Michael Jackson Memorial in Gary Indiana.



THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT E. CASANOVA IS THE ONE THAT DIED IN THAT HOUSE.

All this is, is information and a possible puzzle piece. 

We still have a lot of evidence to be presented during the trial.  I want to be very careful about judging anyone, considering the characters that have been trying to force public opinion.  Same source, same behaviors, same pattern of abuse.

You have your own mind. As we go through this, for your sake, don’t rely on theirs.

AND STAY STRONG!
WE’VE COME TOO FAR TO LOSE OUR WAY

A link someone sent me.  Michael’s knowledge and familiarity with cameras.  You should enjoy.  Ireland Interview


Remember who caused the pain!
Remember What Michael Said
Same People, Same Pattern

61 comments:

  1. Well, hmmm...
    To be honest with you its several things that doesn't sit right with me. I am simply not buying it, I almost feel that this is an insult to my intelligence. As intelligent as I know MJ is/was and the hard lessons that he learned along his journey, I am to believe that he put his life in the hands of such an incompetent, financially irresponsible, womanizing idiot of a doctor. MJ was not that desperate to risk his life and leave his beloved mother and his children to face the wolves alone. I am not buying it.

    Bonnie I am not sure that anyone died on 6/25/2010. I am not discounting that something may have happened and MJ may have died, anything is possible. Ecasanova is not dead. I saw him in an interview explaining that according to online sources he was dead yet he was alive to be interviewed.

    Its several things that just doesn't make sense to me in regards to MJ's passing or death. From the time of his concert announcement forward, it was one thing after another and then what happens...the tragic death. Then so called facts start emerging coming from every angle that can be concieved. The one thing that has really bothered me is it all seems so predictable.

    Have you noticed that its always something in the news about MJ or MJ related especially, if not mainly, online? Why online...because those following this situation closely always has something to chew on...and there are many interested all over the world and the internet is the perfect vehicle to get the info out.

    The question is, who is really behind the mask? Is it MJ, another individual or a group of individuals connected together to achieve a common goal? Sit back and think about the story being told. The child prodigy that is nothing short of a creative genius that achieves the ultimate success through hardwork and perseverance. With pressure and betrayal all around him he still moves forward with humanitarian work and a faith in his creator that is unstopable. His name is tarneshed after he is falsely accused of a crime that pierced deeper than any sword, not once but twice. He gathers himself while continuing to create. He decides on the project that will put him back on stage for the come back that is unparalleled. He suddenly dies from an overdose just days before he is due to leave. I have said many times before that truth may be stranger than fiction but....

    The many inconsistencies is the only thing that has been consistent. The symbolism wooven throughout out this situation has become more than obvious to me. Its more to this, much more. I am coming to the conclusion that this is "HIStory" continuing if it ever ended. Its about a legacy being corrected....

    Sorry for the long post. Its more, much more to this than what has been revealed thus far....

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  2. @Miss Shae - I agree with everything that you just posted. A legacy corrected or a new beginning? E. Cas. With the trickery I have seen from the TINI folks, the shennanigans with the press, I'm not convinced of the E.Cas in the interviews either. I saw those interviews (one blog back in the comments) and unless E.Cas is on steriods and managed to keep from aging over the last 10 - 15 years. The rumors of his death were not NEW, they appeared back in 2007, never corrected or attempted to be corrected until now. Fishy and I'm still watching . . . cautiously.

    Yes, I have mentioned the oddity of this practically entire story being played out online. Actually at times it has made me a bit angry. This isn't just about a legacy. You're right about there being a bigger story. It is bigger than a career and it is bigger than a catalog. However, the internet is not the only medium and the music industry/Sony are not the only players.

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  3. @Miss Shae - I just caught your first paragraph on your post (sorry, just finished dinner,still taste the chicken . . . curry . . . hmmmmm) and I have a question . . . a couple of questions:

    1. What makes you think that Katherine and the children are facing anything alone?

    2. Where did the information about Murray's womanizing come from?

    You may be right about no one dying on 6/25. Again E.Cas and that story just a piece of a puzzle of which in some capacity I am sure E.Cas. was a part of.

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  4. Hi Bonnie,

    I just wanted to say I love your blog..I think a lot of your points are right on target.
    However, I wanted to ask you why you believe that Michael is alive?

    I'll be honest, at first I was like most MJ fans thinking that Michael was gone forever. But I have recently started going on Hoax sites just to see what is said and found. And I think now I am just on the fence.

    Is there something about everything surrounding Michael and this pre-trial that makes you think MJ is still alive?

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  5. http://www.myspace.com/ecasanovafansite Not much activity at all, no shows?

    No future events or tours http://eventful.com/performers/ecasanova-/P0-001-000024246-5

    http://twitter.com/ecasanovaevans - fake

    http://michaeljacksonhoax.lefora.com/2009/08/17/e-casanova-did-not-die/ He was not at the Memorial. This picture is added from a 2002 picture, when he was much younger. Read the comments.

    More games

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  6. Curious. The alleged autopsy report listed Michael's height at 5'9". I'm inclined to believe that is accurate despite whatever doubts exist about the authenticity of that report.

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  7. Spring777 said - "However, I wanted to ask you why you believe that Michael is alive?"

    >>> That is a long answer. I didn't actually go to any of the hoax sites until I saw that they were sending traffic to my blog. I always go to see the websites that send me traffic and that his how I found the hoax sites. But I suspected before I had ever seen the hoax sites.

    First thing that broke my suspicion, believe it or not, was a kiss I got after a prayer (Read January 2009 blogs to get the full story).

    I still wasn't sure what that meant so I continued investigating the people I thought were responsible for killing him, which at the time was AEG (March, April and May blogs). However, the more I dug, the more I found evidence of them helping him.

    When I began getting attacked because of that, I kept digging.

    Long story short, Michael's own songs, in the long run, is what convinced me, along with the research I had done before hand. Things make more sense than him being dead.

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  8. Spring777 - I'm sorry I missed this one (tired). You said:

    "Is there something about everything surrounding Michael and this pre-trial that makes you think MJ is still alive? "

    >>> Everything surrounding the last 18 months + makes me think Michael is alive. And I did not come to this easily. Many a night I have been back and forth in tears, getting crushed, being elated, suffering the torque of an emotional roller coaster. I have been going so hard for so long on this, it's become my identity.

    I will tell you this, the force with which God has put me on this? It makes no sense for Him to commit me like this if Michael is gone.

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  9. SandyK said - "Curious. The alleged autopsy report listed Michael's height at 5'9". I'm inclined to believe that is accurate despite whatever doubts exist about the authenticity of that report. "

    >>> Sandy, why are you inclined to believe that report and not the one on Michael's arrest record?

    If there was indeed a body, I am also inclined to believe that the 5' 9" height is accurate, but it's not Michael's height.

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  10. @Judith - Got you loud and clear. Love you and Thank you very much.

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  11. I don't understand how can you keep the idea that Michael is alive after all the testimonies about the 6/25 and the Katherine's state, she is destroyed. Michael wouldn't allow his children and his mather to feel like that.
    And if they are aware that he is alive how can they pretend so hard?.

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  12. MissShae,

    Spot on.

    - - - -

    Bonnie, regardless of what Murray was up to with the women in his life in 2009, he appears to have left behind him a line of women and dependant children and it looks like he hasn't come to the party with supporting those children. However, I am only basing this on what I have read via the media.

    - - - -

    SandyK and all - surely if Michael weighed only 120 in 2003 then there's no way he could have been 136 when they performed the autopsy. That weight has never made sense because he looked even leaner in TII and photos taken shortly before the rehearsals. We're talking about a stone difference and visibly to me he looks way lighter in 2009. I think either somebody in the coroner's office was slack and just did a guess or they have definitely examined the wrong person. Look at his legs and the photos of him in 2009.

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  13. @Beatriz - Who said she was destroyed? Where do you think Michael got his strength from?

    The only way Michael would allow this is if they were made aware.

    Why are you fighting so hard to keep him dead? Repeating the same TINI mantra is not going to turn it into fact no matter how many times you repeat it.

    You don't know what Michael did. We are only discussing possibilities here. I believe what I believe because I researched it.

    Remember not every witness is telling the truth. There are journalists that never used to be journalist reporting out on the courthouse steps. A T.V. Camera and a microphone does not make you a prophet.

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  14. @ Karin - Not so fast on the TII photos . . . remember, some of them were doctored, but even in the footage of "They don't care about us" released a couple days after June 25 online and BEFORE Sony bought and edited the film, Michael was thin, but definitely not the emaciated person KF had tried to sell to us.

    Also something else that was brought to my attention by someone that posts here frequently. THIS IS JUST DISCUSSION.

    Michael had vitiligo. He had been through depigmentation treatments years ago, but E Cas. was dark complected. I was asked if it was possible that the cream that Murray was concerned about being in the room was in fact for E.Cas?

    It's a stretch I know, but if he knew he was dying, and Michael took him in to take care of him and Michael no longer needed those creams (in those quantities). Michael had already been through over a decade of those types of treatments. Your pigment doesn't come back. So why the creams in the bedroom? Why so many tubes?

    This is something that will probably come up in the trial.

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  15. Bonnie, I take your point about the photos. The truth is that yesterday when you raised ECas in your blog, I realised that a few of the photos that I had thought were of Michael over the years were actually those of ECas. So it tells you how little I know.

    ECas is or was a nice looking guy. That's another thing, the photoshopped ambulance shot of Michael reveals him as being younger and with a darker complexion. The paramedic said the patient in the bedroom was pale and looked like a hospice patient. So the media has pulled another swifty on the world. Apart from lying with his eyes clothes and with an oxygen mask over his face, Michael actually looks young and healthy in that photo.

    Of course we are only discussing here. None of us have definitive answers and of course Michael wouldn't put his children, mother and family through something so traumatic without their knowledge.

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  16. Just a question, Bonnie
    Do you think it is safety for him to discuss of him being alive in a public blog? I mean, i started to think of that early (nov-dic 2009) but i've never talked about openly because i was afraid that HE wouldn't appreciate , may be his haters could spy our thoughts to find him. I know it is a bit naive but i can't help...I feel a little guilty talking about it. The very first time i openly express my thoughs about it was in your blog.Notice that some hoaxes sites are that ridiculous...

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  17. Bonnie,

    I watched E Casanova do his Michael Jackson impersonation and the guy is really good!

    The only thing he does wrong, is he kicks with the wrong leg!

    Michael kicked with his RIGHT Leg.
    Casanova kicks with his LEFT Leg.

    That's how I can tell them apart.

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  18. Hi Bonnie,

    Here are my two cents to this discussion (lol)....

    My beLIEve was crumbling after reading the hearing but I told you about the German girl and her YT clips and she had a very good point. A point that had me sit right up again!

    We have all read that the person in the bedroom was cold to the touch and the feet and hands got purple already when the paramedics came in?

    Latoya told the world that after he was pronounced dead at UCLA they went in the room to say their goodbye's and he was still warm to the touch. He looked like he was sleeping, she said.

    Remember this should have been two hours later then the paramedics saw him....!?

    Pam

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  19. Bonnie, I've always wondered about that Santa Barbara mug shot reporting Michael's height at 5 11 and weight at 120, but then I think of my own situation having "shrunk" 1 1/2 inches in 4 years due to some spinal arthritis (which I believe Michael had at autopsy), still curious however. And looking at Michael's performance with his brothers in 2001, he was as tall as Jackie and Jermaine, who are 5 11 or 6 ft. As for the creams Murray wanted removed from the house, while also curious, I still think it was just his excuse to get back into the house to hide/remove evidence. Time will tell .....

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  20. Bonnie said, “I want to caution you that the same press and media that lied about Michael Jackson is the same press and media reporting on this trial. There is no transmission from the court room for a reason.” Thank you for this warning. It very important to be vigilant and dissect each news that we are going to receive from this trial since many of them contain lies and misinformation.

    I remember reading a while back that before Michael’s 2005 trial even began and the Jury had chance to hear the allegation and deliberate and reach the verdict, there were five different books written on the guilty verdict ready to be shipped to books stores around the globe. Once the Jury reach the NOT GUILTY verdict, all those books thrown into the shredding bin. Can you imagine that how horribly ours and as a matter of fact the world media is corrupted? This is why we need to be careful in making judgments based on what we hear from the media.

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  21. I've just recently returned to this site and I see that things have taken a sharp turn here.

    1. Has the first doctor to ever suggest/administer Propofol to Michael been discovered?

    2. "Faking" one's death is a federal crime. Is there a statute of limitations on prosecution?

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  22. Karin said - "ECas is or was a nice looking guy. That's another thing, the photoshopped ambulance shot of Michael reveals him as being younger and with a darker complexion. The paramedic said the patient in the bedroom was pale and looked like a hospice patient. So the media has pulled another swifty on the world. "

    >>> Yeah, those guys with the big brown eyes, E Cas, from what I've read about him, was also a faithful person, believed in Jesus. That ambulance shot has had a lot of theories follow it around from photoshopping from a Pepsi commercial, the "Leave me Alone" film to a shot of Michael in an ambulance from 20 years ago. No one can convince me that photo was taken on June 25, 2009. No way.
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    Coxib said - "Do you think it is safety for him to discuss of him being alive in a public blog?"

    >>> This is not the only blog or forum that discusses this theory by a long shot. As a matter of fact I know one of the Hoax forums is Sony affiliated. I also believe, because of the actions I've seen from Sony in regard to the Michael album and the actions of the estate with the manipulation of certain news items and their involvement with it, that THOSE people either know or suspect that Michael is alive as well.

    This is NOT something I really want to concentrate on this blog though. I put it out there to be upfront with people, not to let the topic take over the blog. It is a theory we have to consider in order for all evidence to be discussed. The MAIN purpose of this blog is to expose the people behind what happened and what was done and continues to be done to Michael.

    There is also an element of faith in all this that I believe will be an lesson in itself.

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  23. Bonnie, June 2009 I will not forget 'ever. 25, Michael has left us but my dad 'is 15 dead after so much suffering.
    Whatever happened June 25, Michael did not want to ever leave her children alone, ever. He loved his children too, would have wanted to see them suffer.
    Bonnie, when I do meditation, often, I go into another dimension and I beside Michael. He guides me. After the meditation I pray for Michael, for his children and his family.
    Ciao
    Daniela

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  24. Bonnie asked,"1. What makes you think that Katherine and the children are facing anything alone?

    2. Where did the information about Murray's womanizing come from?"

    1- The wolves meaning any and everyone that thinks they can make a $ or get a $. The negative forces...

    2- The info about Murray being married, the number of children he has, his female friends and or companions etc. It sounds and seems so stereotypical to me almost if not scripted...

    When I sit back and think about what I have learned thus far it seems unreal. Yes MJ had a lot to deal with on many levels but some of this is just simply stupid to be blunt. Laughable...I feel we are being played with.

    Again the question is ; Who is behind the mask?
    Bonnie you may think Teddy Riley lied about the vocals on some of the songs on the new Michael album but I don't. I think it was a test. The Casio's would not lie, they LOVE(ed) MJ. Yes I know Teddy has a new project coming out but I don't think he is trying to ride on MJ's coat tails. He knows and I think he has pieced it together. Remember he has worked with MJ and had the type of interaction with MJ that we only can dream and wish for. When Teddy said in one interview that he knows that MJ was stepped on from A-Z, he knows what he is talking about. In that brief appearance on Oprah he said that MJ loves confusion and that he is sitting back laughing, Teddy knows and would not have spoken out otherwise.

    I also believe that mess with Discovery was a test to see if the fans were still "Holding his hand" so to speak. The waters are being tested.

    Oprah who spoke against MJ used the same, This is it, this is the moment to launch OWN. Oh please...LOL

    Again I ask; Who is behind the mask??????

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  25. Josie said - "I watched E Casanova do his Michael Jackson impersonation and the guy is really good!"

    >>> From what I have read, Michael was really impressed with him too. Said it was "eerie" and E. Cas. on that one interview mentioned that he is a mirror image of Michael where he is left handed and Michael is right handed. Reminds me of the old acts on the television variety shows. :o)
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    Pam said - "Latoya told the world that after he was pronounced dead at UCLA they went in the room to say their goodbye's and he was still warm to the touch. He looked like he was sleeping, she said.

    Remember this should have been two hours later then the paramedics saw him....!?"

    >>> I do remember LaToya's interview, I remember things said by her, the conflicting information on what he was dressed in, Jermaine's Australian interview, Tito's and Jackie's interview. All that was tucked into my little brain.
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    June said - "As for the creams Murray wanted removed from the house, while also curious, I still think it was just his excuse to get back into the house to hide/remove evidence. "

    >>> On the arthritis, I have some in the lower spine as well, from a broken tailbone , but it has not shrunk me. I don't know anything about shrinking at such an early age. I would think if he was that bad off, he would have problems moving around and he could still move if the TII footage is anything to go by. Michael's height comparing him in photos, yes. We would have to know the height of the people he is with and some of those photos with those bodyguards of his . . . those guys are BIG! They made Michael look like a toy. Others, like Michael next to some of the Backstreet boys, he looks tall. (???) Nothing was reported about arthritis in Michael's spine until after he died. All that stuff is suspect when you think about it.

    The creams can't just be an excuse because they were reportedly found there during the search.

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  26. Mimi said - "I remember reading a while back that before Michael’s 2005 trial even began and the Jury had chance to hear the allegation and deliberate and reach the verdict, there were five different books written on the guilty verdict ready to be shipped to books stores around the globe. "

    >>> Mimi, think about that very fact outside the world of Michael. Then think about it in the political arena, the economic arena, look at what they are doing to Sara Palin because some lunatic opened fire in Arizona.

    The press and the media has been utilized to steer public opinion and usher an open isle for world powers to get legislation enacted.

    If they can plant stories using paid insiders peppered throughout the media and the press with Michael Jackson, just think about what they are doing to manipulate society through the very same methods.

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  27. @Mimi - You look at what Gloria Allred and Gery Brown did to Meg Whitman during the election! Gloria Allred!!! This is the same mal-human that tried to get Michael's children taken away! And people are falling for this garbage!

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  28. J said - "1. Has the first doctor to ever suggest/administer Propofol to Michael been discovered?

    2. "Faking" one's death is a federal crime. Is there a statute of limitations on prosecution? "

    >> Don't worry, there has been a lot of "pop-ins" lately on this blog. Is there a NAME for a first doctor that ever administered propofol to him? I would think that would be easy. When and who performed the first surgery on Michael?

    2. Faking one's death is a federal crime UNLESS that person's life has been threatened. This has been brought up before. Nothing has changed since the last time this subject came up. The U.S. Justice Dept does it all the time in cases of witness protection. I can't imagine anyone believing that Michael just up and decided to fake his death one day just for entertainment's sake. There is a purpose to all this.

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  29. Bonnie another thing, remember Joe Jackson at the BET awards? What was the name of his new record label and what technology was mentioned?

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  30. Daniela said - "Whatever happened June 25, Michael did not want to ever leave her children alone, ever. "

    >>> No, of course he didn't. But he most certainly did not want to give someone ELSE a chance to take him away from them either. And they came real close do doing that during his trial. Please keep praying for his children and him and his family. Don't give up on him. He is a lot smarter than people gave him credit for.
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    MissShae said - "1- The wolves meaning any and everyone that thinks they can make a $ or get a $. The negative forces...

    2- The info about Murray being married, the number of children he has, his female friends and or companions etc. It sounds and seems so stereotypical to me almost if not scripted..."
    >>>>>>>>

    1. I don't believe Miss Katherine and the children are facing anything alone. Watch their interviews.

    2. I agree, stereotypical

    I have long felt that we were being played. But I do not believe Michael would direct this specifically at fans. This looks like a chess game to me, with shifting and rotating pawns.

    This is why it is important for fans to pay attention to the moves, but keep your focus on Michael because he is holding that compass in this vicious maze we are going through.

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  31. To Whom It May Concern:

    Michael Jackson height is 5’11. You can search all over the web and it’s listed in many places to be 5’11.

    Here is one link - The Internet Movie Database -http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/bio

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  32. Bonnie said, "1. I don't believe Miss Katherine and the children are facing anything alone. Watch their interviews."

    Ohhh I don't either. Mrs J knows how low certain people will go and MJ educated his children well. There are people in place to make sure of that other than family members and "estate executors".

    Remember when Arnie Klein made an appearance in court in regards to the child custody? Many thought it was because he was actually the father (sperm donor) but I did not. That was done out of love and concern. Remember MJ and the children would spend private time with him and he knows things that we can only speculate about. Arnie spoke some truths about some things.

    I know you will say what about the gay lover story? Did you really believe that story? I did not!!!LOL I think that was to perpetuate the fallacy of MJ being gay because of the media and the others trying to shove that down our throats. Then who tweets about that, Elizabeth Taylor...LOL and Anderson Cooper even talked about it...LOL Don't you see...LOL

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  33. I meant outside of surgery.

    You have posted tons of entries on this blog with hundreds of comments. Unfortunately, I missed the one that discussed faking one's death and the justice system, which is why I asked.

    But thanks for your answers anyway.

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  34. The whole issue with the Propofol....hmmm
    Maybe MJ used it in the past to help with the insomnia but it was administered properly with all the safe guards in place. Who would have knowledge of that?

    Remember Arnie K discussed this on Larry King and or the TMZ live interview. He also pointed a finger at another doctor, a plastic surgeon. Remember Dr Gupta from CNN went to interview Ratner who travelled with MJ on the HIStory tour in regards to this and he did not deny it nor did he say an ill word against MJ.

    My point is MJ dying from this would be more believable, he has a past with it. As shocking as it is to us those behind the scenes that may have had knowledge from the past would believe it too.

    My question is; if MJ had been using this for as long as we are being led to believe, Murray ordered the equivalent of 4 gallons in short period of time, would this not have adverse effects on his body? We don't know how much was left of the actual shipment. It simply does not make sense to me.

    I ask myself what is the bigger lesson to be learned out of all of this? Is it to show me/us just how deep the corruption is and how the evil in the world has shaped our society and or reality? I/we have learned just how much the media lies, distorts and buries the truth. Is it that we should turn to God's word and not put our trust in man's word(s)? Hmmmm, Bonnie I agree it is a bigger lesson here...

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  35. @J - No, I don't know if any doctor being found to have originally given Michael Propofol. I don't know, outside the press, that this ever happened. I do recall a story being circulated by a nephew of one of the body guards (fake or not) saying Michael was doctor shopping and knew propofol backwards and forwards. We can also surmise that since Michael was a reader, and was admittedly into homeopathic healing that he would have researched meds that went into his body. Notes found at Neverland and in storage asking about alternative pain killers attest to that.

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  36. Miss Shae said - "Remember Arnie K discussed this on Larry King and or the TMZ live interview. He also pointed a finger at another doctor, a plastic surgeon. Remember Dr Gupta from CNN went to interview Ratner who travelled with MJ on the HIStory tour in regards to this and he did not deny it nor did he say an ill word against MJ."

    >>> The plastic surgeon you are thinking of is Steven Hoefflin. I remember that interview. Rattner never said a bad word about Michael, no I agree, but he was also associated with Malnik and not Michael's friend.

    Michael has a past with misconduct with children too, according to the press. We can't rely on this information. We are talking about a man who knew how to help children heal themselves of cancer using healthy eating, prayer and mental training and he is going to submit himself to an anesthetic to get sleep? We have to think about this.

    Jason Pfeiffer . . . I covered the twisting of THAT story on this very blog and pointed out how they made it appear that THAT is what Jason said when he didn't. I remember that lesson very well. It was one of the turning points for me in how information we see and hear is manipulated by editing, narrative and headline. Marketing is a psychological art.

    I agree with you on the adverse effects if even half those quantities had been consumed in that short a period of time. I am also questioning the conspicuous placement of that contract on the Michael's bed between the doctor/Murray and AEG. The Dr. was the only one who signed it. Michael did not and AEG did not and this was supposedly going on for two months.

    Question:

    Why did AEG not sign it?

    Why did Michael not sign it?

    Who actually put that contract on the bed?

    Look at the people pushing this theory that AEG was behind Murray, what their actions have been and who THEY are affiliated with!

    Could Murray have been another person "Inserted" into Michael's life and COULD Michael have known it and COULD that be the reason Michael never signed the contract?




    http://justjared.buzznet.com/2009/06/28/joe-jackson-bet-awards-2009/

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  37. Bonnie said, "The plastic surgeon you are thinking of is Steven Hoefflin. I remember that interview. Rattner never said a bad word about Michael, no I agree, but he was also associated with Malnik and not Michael's friend."

    Yes I am aware it was Hoefflin and he not only did work on MJ but other family members too, thus the contraversy between the two doctors. As for Ratner, at the time of the tour he was a paid specialist regardless of friendships and or connections and I am also aware of his cloudy past. When Klein heard about this, he and a few associates flew to Germany. Klein "alledged" that it was Hoefflin who arranged for the Propofol through a german doctor. I speculate Dieter may have played a part in this if any of this is true. My point for mentioning Ratner was he is trained to administer vs Murray who "maybe" had a crash course. I don't believe MJ would be so desperate to take the chance, he is/was to intelligent.

    As for the contract, I don't think either party was going to ever sign it. Ask your self why would a doctor leave his practice and begin working with out a signed contract? I don't think Murray is that stupid. Who left it on the bed? Was it dusted for finger prints? Did the paramedics or the bodyguards see the contract on the bed when they entered the room? When was the contract left on the bed? Is it a red herring?

    Is this whole thing more about the access to the Propofol??? More questions than answers...

    I mention Joe Jackson at the BET awards because of the technology that was mentioned....Blue Ray...

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  38. Thank you for your response, Bonnie :)

    And I am like you in that I feel that God has put Michael in front of me for a reason. Because I'll be honest with you...I don't and have never invested my time on any celebrity or their lives. Yes, I have always liked Michael and his music..but that was it...I don't normally focus on celebrities and their lives.

    However, on June 25, 2009 that changed...since that day I have been focusing on Michael and who he was..watching every single interview and reading as much as I can about him. Listening to every song and trying to figure him out.

    I thought I was losing my mind..but God wants me to get to know Michael which makes me think that Michael is alive. If Michael were dead I don't think God would have me so focused on Michael.

    Anyway, I wish there was a way I could private message you..there are some things I'd like to tell you but don't want to in a public forum.

    Btw, I am also a Christian and a follower of Christ.

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  39. Miss Shae said - "I mention Joe Jackson at the BET awards because of the technology that was mentioned....Blue Ray... "

    >>> Blue Ray = Sony TII Special Edition, 3D Alice in Wonderland.

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    Spring777 - Anyway, I wish there was a way I could private message you..there are some things I'd like to tell you but don't want to in a public forum."

    >>> Go to MichaelJacksonJustice.com and click on the contact button on the top left navigation buttons. Send me your email address through there. It's more private that way.

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  40. Bonnie said,"Miss Shae said - "I mention Joe Jackson at the BET awards because of the technology that was mentioned....Blue Ray... "

    >>> Blue Ray = Sony TII Special Edition, 3D Alice in Wonderland.

    Yes, so why would that be specifically mentioned???...Joe is a old school player and had his reasons for making sure that was said other than promoting his new record company, Ranch Records.

    Another thing about the contract, who benefits if AEG is found culpable???

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  41. MissShae wrote: "Again the question is; Who is behind the mask?
    Bonnie you may think Teddy Riley lied about the vocals on some of the songs on the new Michael album but I don't. I think it was a test. The Casio's would not lie, they LOVE(ed) MJ. Yes I know Teddy has a new project coming out but I don't think he is trying to ride on MJ's coat tails. He knows and I think he has pieced it together. Remember he has worked with MJ and had the type of interaction with MJ that we only can dream and wish for. When Teddy said in one interview that he knows that MJ was stepped on from A-Z, he knows what he is talking about. In that brief appearance on Oprah he said that MJ loves confusion and that he is sitting back laughing, Teddy knows and would not have spoken out otherwise.

    I also believe that mess with Discovery was a test to see if the fans were still "Holding his hand" so to speak. The waters are being tested.

    Oprah who spoke against MJ used the same, This is it, this is the moment to launch OWN. Oh please...LOL"

    I totally agree with you MissShae on the Teddy/Casio comments and your belief about the Discovery fiasco and Oprah is very interesting. I hope we find all of your points to be true some day.

    Bonnie wrote: "That ambulance shot has had a lot of theories follow it around from photoshopping from a Pepsi commercial, the "Leave me Alone" film to a shot of Michael in an ambulance from 20 years ago. No one can convince me that photo was taken on June 25, 2009. No way."

    No way is right Bonnie. Look at Michael in TII and look at the ambulance shot. I guess if we believe that it is the same person, we can be sold the Brooklyn Bridge, Conrad Murray, and the rest of it too. The picture that looks the closest to me of the ambulance pic is actually in the 30th Anniverary concert. Look at the head shot when Michael falls to the ground and lays on his back after dancing with Usher and Chris Brown. Brian Oxman said the same thing. Which ever picture or mannequin that was used, it sure doesn't sound anything like what the paramedic described. ;-}

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  42. @June you said, “...I think of my own situation having "shrunk" 1 1/2 inches in 4 years due to some spinal arthritis (which I believe Michael had at autopsy), still curious however.”

    Out of curiosity, I have done general research on the relationship of spinal arthritis and shrinkage of height. However, I couldn’t find any linkage between spinal arthritis and one’s height shrinkage. Since there are many types of arthritis affect our bodies, you did not mention what kind of arthritis on your spine affect your height and what kind of arthritis might affect Michael’s height to do specific search that might be related. What I found out though severe discs damage on one’s spine can cause height shrinkage.

    Also I found out that when we reach 40 or 50 years old (it depends on the person) we shrink half an inch of our height every ten years. The shrinkage of height speeds up when you are beyond 70 years old.

    I also learned that if you are physically active means if you are a dancer, yoga practitioner, weights lifter, or any kinds of physical exercise each day you can prevent height shrinkage when you are getting older. Therefore, I highly doubt that Michael lost 2 inches of his height from 5’11 to 5’9 because of some arthritis while he is physically active throughout his life.

    Thank you for bringing this up, it helped me to learn further how being physically active not only good for overall health but also good to have strong bones.

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  43. Bonnie said, "we are talking about a man who knew how to help children heal themselves using healthy eating, prayer, etc., and he is going to submit himself to an anesthetic to get sleep?"

    And Bonnie said, "could Murray have been another person inserted into Michael's life and could Michael have known it and could that be the reason Michael never signed the contract?"

    So Bonnie do you think that Nurse C. Lee could also be a person "inserted" into Michael's life, the one who appeared on CNN, MSNBC, NBC, and all the others after Michael died claiming he asked her for propofol months earlier, thereby setting him up as seeking the drug? She and Murray have the same story as to how they met Michael, called in to treat his kids with colds.

    If there is doubt, as you have expressed, that Michael would have knowingly used propofol and Murray could have been "inserted" into his life, what less credibility is there that Lee was also "inserted" into the setup?

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  44. Miss Shae said - "Another thing about the contract, who benefits if AEG is found culpable??? "

    >>> Oh you know . . . those lil' people behind the S-name possibly, or that lil' guy saying yes or no in Michael's name??? those people?

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    Liberian girl said - "No way is right Bonnie. Look at Michael in TII and look at the ambulance shot. I guess if we believe that it is the same person, we can be sold the Brooklyn Bridge, Conrad Murray, and the rest of it too."

    >>> I think most people agree that the ambulance shot was not true. And I think I forgot to address Teddy (R) and those 3 songs on the Michael album and I will stand by that those lead singers were not him. Michael isn't given credit on the album for lead vocals for those three songs and I believe the Cascios know it. However, I also believe that the Cascios are Michael's friends and that whatever Michael left behind was left behind for a reason, knowing Sony would mess with it.
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  45. Mimi said - "Therefore, I highly doubt that Michael lost 2 inches of his height from 5’11 to 5’9 because of some arthritis while he is physically active throughout his life. "

    >>> Thank you for looking into that. I would have had no idea to be honest with you. I would have thought that Michael would have been in a Scoliosis situation for that to have happened in such a short span of time and if he was, he would not be moving around so easily on stage.

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  46. June said - "So Bonnie do you think that Nurse C. Lee could also be a person "inserted" into Michael's life, the one who appeared on CNN, MSNBC, NBC, and all the others after Michael died claiming he asked her for propofol months earlier, thereby setting him up as seeking the drug? "

    >>> My opinion is that Nurse C Lee is lying and never met Michael. A little different than inserted. Just like June Gatling, nobody ever heard of her until after he died and nobody is verifying she was ever around him except her. Has anyone ever vouched for her?

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  47. Exodus, why do you have to be so inflammatory? I cannot post your comment the way you worded it. Not everyone involved in Michael's persecution was Jewish.

    The rest of your comment was just disrespectful. If you are not comfortable with the discussion than stop reading the blog. I don't believe Michael was stupid and I don't believe he would sit in self pitty knowing his children would be left fatherless if he didn't so something.

    I never said Murray was not involved. Of COURSE he was involved. Obviously he was THERE! I have a question for you . . . are you by chance, a journalist?

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  48. Bonnie we can agree to disagree in regards to the 3 songs and the Casio's.

    As for nurse Cheryl I question her presence too. She goes to the media first instead of the police. I believe her purpose was to specifically put the Propofol story out in the media.

    June Gatlin left me scratching my head. LOL... She is interviewed replaying the recorded conversation on a older Sony cassette recorder. I found that a little to obvious.

    Can anyone explain to me why "a fan" would have Joe Jackson's and Frank Dileo's phone number to alert them that a ambulance was at MJ's house????

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  49. MissShae, you said "she goes to the media first instead of the police." Thanks for mentioning that, I meant to. When it was found in Michael's home, her first thought SHOULD have been to go to the police, and she couldn't even keep her story straight when she told it around. She claims she visited Michael's house several times to "treat" him with her Myers Cocktail, an IV blend of "natural" medicinals to increase energy; wouldn't anyone in Michael's house recall her visits? Wouldn't the bodyguards recall her visits? How about the cook and the nanny and the tutor? Lee can't just make these claims and then dissappear from the radar.

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  50. Hi June,
    Your comment made me think of something Arnie Klein said in one of his interviews. He said there had to be someone else involved that was helping Murray with IV's and they must have lost that person, could that be good old nurse Cheryl? Of course this is pure speculation but I think it is obvious that something is definitely rotten in Denmark...I will go back and review Klein's interview.

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  51. June,
    It is the TMZ live interview were Klein Speculates and gives his reasoning behind his speculation. After listening to this interview again along with everything else that I have learned since MJ's passing, its more than obvious that lies and or half truths have been told. Then that leaves me with the question why? Is the truth that ugly? Is money and the potential for more money at the root of the lies, half truths and cover ups? Is this whole situation a lie? Whatever it is, it's sad that it came to this....very sad in my opinion.

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  52. As far as inserting people in MJ's life, reportedly Joe Jackson is the one who introduced Murray to MJ while he was in Las Vegas. "If" that is the case and MJ is actually dead can you imagine the feelings of remorse along with every other emotion that a parent feels after losing a child....

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  53. Bonnie said "in my opinion Nurse C Lee is lying and never met Michael". I hadn't thought of it that way. I figured yes, she was "inserted" into his life to make it appear he was seeking the drug before he died, but she could also have made these claims without actually having met Michael too. She said he or his "bodyguard" called her on father's day, he was hot, he was cold, so where is that bodyguard to confirm? Why has this woman not been called to testify? That's why I question why no one from Michael's house has come forth and said, yeah, I remember her coming to house the several times she herself stated, the bodyguards, the chef, the nanny, the tutor, someone???

    @MissShae, as we drown in a sea of misinformation via the press (me thinking Michael met Lee the same way Murray did, to treat his sick kids), I agree with you, if Joe J. did intro Michael to Murray, that would trigger remorse for sure. Will we ever be able to put these pieces together, I wonder?

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  54. June when has Joe publically shown remorse since MJ's passing? Remember I mentioned the BET awards in previous comments above? Just think about that....

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  55. Bonnie, didn't see your comment until today. No, I'm not a journalist and don't believe everything I read, as you don't either. I'll do my best to keep things more respectful.

    MissShae said: "Is the truth that ugly? Is money and the potential for more money at the root of the lies, half truths and cover ups?"

    Honestly... yes. The depths that some people will go to in order for a multi-million dollar business opportunity is pretty sickening. This case exempliflies that. Before June 25, I probably wouldn't have imagined that a company would actually have a man murdered to profit financially. It's cold, it's heartless and it's all about money.

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  56. Bonnie said, "Sandy, why are you inclined to believe that report and not the one on Michael's arrest record?"

    Yes, I do see your point.

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  57. Bonnie said, "Nothing was reported about arthritis in Michael's spine until after he died. All that stuff is suspect when you think about it."

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~Why would there be any reports of Michael having arthritis in his back unless he announced it? HIPPA is supposed to prevent doctors Michael worked with from announcing his medical issues. While Michael was around, even Dr. Klein behaved himself in this regard. Michael did have chronic back problems after the bridge accident of 1999. Friends of his that visited him at Neverland since that accident did say that he occasionally complained of back pain. Injury can and does accelerate arthritis. However, like you mentioned, he does appear to move well in the TII videos. Cortisone shots can help temporarily releive the pain from arthritis, however, there have not been reports of Michael getting shots like that.

    MissShae said, "The whole issue with the Propofol....hmmm
    Maybe MJ used it in the past to help with the insomnia but it was administered properly with all the safe guards in place. Who would have knowledge of that?"

    Look up Dr. Neil Ratner. It is alleged that he gave Michael Propofol during the HIStory tour in the late 90's. He is an anesthesiologist and was accompanied by an M.D. during the tour. Publically, he won't say what he did for Michael during that tour which is not surprising. Added note, Dr. Ratner is a convicted felon charge with insurance fraud. This conviction was not related to his work with Michael.

    It will be interesting to see if Dr. Ratner is called as a witness during the trial.

    Yes, his is related to Brett Ratner.

    Disclaimer, these media sources have tended to report about Michael in a negative way on a regular basis so that does cast a shadow on the reporting and should always be kept in mind, however, there is still some useful information that can be drawn.

    Source:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2000/02/09/2000-02-09_crocked_doc_won_t_say_if_he_.html

    Source:
    http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/03/jackson.wrap/index.html

    Source for Dr. Neil Ratner felony conviction:
    http://w3.health.state.ny.us/opmc/factions.nsf/58220a7f9eeaafab85256b180058c032/d37172ffaeddd52685256bff00655907/$FILE/lc148415.pdf


    Blessing to all!

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  58. SandyK - "HIPPA is supposed to prevent doctors Michael worked with from announcing his medical issues. While Michael was around, even Dr. Klein behaved himself in this regard."

    >>> This NEVER applied to Michael even before June 25th. The stuff that is out there NOW should not be out there!

    I read the stuff on Ratner (the Doctor).

    Thank you for the disclaimer. There is sad little news out there that don't sandwich "useful" information on either side with lies.

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  59. @SandyK -

    http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2000/02/09/2000-02-09_crocked_doc_won_t_say_if_he_.html On Ratner's testimony in an unrelated case.

    I have no idea what information we were supposed to glean from this posting aside from the fact that Ratner the doctor was a drug addict and another sycophant.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/03/jackson.wrap/index.html which said:

    CNN - "A nutritionist, Cherilyn Lee, said earlier in the week that Jackson pleaded for the drug despite being told of its harmful effects.

    Doctors say the drug, whose generic name is Propofol, can lead to cardiac arrest when the heart abruptly stops.

    Jackson traveled with what amounted to a mini-clinic, complete with an IV pole and an anesthesiologist who medicated the insomniac singer during his HIStory tour in the mid-'90s, sources close to Jackson told CNN Thursday."

    >>> This one just ticks me off. What information is this supposed to show us Sandy? Ratner is a drug addict who supposedly got to Michael through Brett Ratner who introduced Michael to one of the "A-Team" mobbies. The only information I got out of your post is that for some reason, even though Ratner was with Malnik and associated with that group of people that wanted to take Michael down, you want people to see a "questionable" news source stating Michael was "put down" by Ratner during a small leg of the 1997 concert tour. On top of that you quote KAREN FAYE of all people as PROOF that Michael was 5'9", as if she has told the truth about ANYTHING!

    Well here is a link for you:

    "It used to piss Michael off because he would say things like 'I saw an interview with my hairdresser and she's talking about me and my hairdresser doesn't know anything about me!"
    Source: http://michaeljacksonhoax.lefora.com/2010/11/04/david-nordahl-talks-about-20-year-friendship-with-/

    Wonder WHAT hairdresser he was talking about?

    So, what was the point of those posts and what makes you think that Ratner should be called as a witness in Michael's case? Your undying loyalty to the people insisting these rumors are true? Surely you can do better than Ratner!
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    Exodus - Your posting here is finished. Please start trouble elsewhere. I gave you a second chance, you blew it. I deleted your post. Nice try.

    You people are unbelievable.

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  60. Bonnie said, "So, what was the point of those posts and what makes you think that Ratner should be called as a witness in Michael's case? Your undying loyalty to the people insisting these rumors are true? Surely you can do better than Ratner!"

    ~~~~~~~~~~~Undying loyalty to Ratner?!? Gasp!!! Not at all!!! He is a loathsome slug in my book!!! Clearly I did a poor job of explaining myself and for that I apologize. I have been asked elsewhere a number of times my opinion about Dr. Ratner. Last year I thought he might have been a key to at least some of Michael's recent issues with Propofol. As of today I'm not so sure. That is why I feel that it would be necessary to get him under oath to get this mess straightened out once and for all. Yes, he is loathsome and has been convicted of fraud so I would not rely on his testimony alone if it were to be requested. It is alleged that Michael traveled with 2 doctors at the time. This other person would be a witness. And yes, they may try to back their stories up, but there should still exist records as to the purchase of medications despite being well over 10 years ago. Also, it has been alleged that Ratner performed this same function for other celebrity entertainers while they traveled on the road. One such incident concerns member(s) of the band Pink Floyd. To repeat, his testimony alone would not be enough by itself, but I do believe there could very well be witnesses and a paper trial that would force the truth to come to light. This would NOT cast a further shadow on Michael in my view and COULD infact show that Propofol was NOT used prior to 2009 as many believe. This is critical know.

    Nurse Lee is also questionable but not loathsome like Ratner. I still don't know what to make of her and I have NO undying loyalty to her. So many unanswered questions as to her interaction with Michael and of course, her public announcements about Michael requesting Propofol. What was that all about? As has been commented on numerous times in the last year and a half, IF he did such a thing why didn't she go to the police first instead of Larry King? Hopefully the trial will unravel that mess too.

    As for Karen Faye, all I can say is that for an instant I forgot she was essentially a taboo subject here and I wish I hadn't brought it up. My apologies. BTW, I am familiar with the Nordahl quote. It's the only time I have ever read anyone commenting on Michael's thoughts about her. As I've said before, although I don't like everything she says, I don't dislike her. I can't. Why? Very simply because of Michael. For me she is not in the same category as Bashir, Dimond, Terraborelli, Friedman, Orth, Sneddon, various members of TINI, etc. These people are beyond contempt in regards to their comments and interactions with Michael. Other than for 2005 to 2008, Michael kept calling KF back for over 20 years. That's a heck of a long time. Why did he do that? Despite Nordahl's comment, he did find something redeeming about her and he did trust her on some level. Because of Michael, I feel that I should too.

    As for HIPPA and Michael's doctor's, what I meant was that prior to Michael leaving the scene, what ever form that took, there were a number of people such as Klein who couldn't get to microphones and cameras fast enough to talk about Michael. Was there stuff out before, yes, but not like what we saw after June 25, 2009 when the flood gates opened and the likes of Klein started disgracefully jabbering on and on endlessly about Michael's personal issues, some of which we know were bald face lies.

    Anyway, hopefully I've done a better job of explaining myself this time around. Please know that it was NOT my intention to get you upset.

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  61. To comment on something completely different...:-) Just finished watching Michael comment on camera's in the video above...:-) I wish the video was longer! Wouldn't it have been great if the interview could have focused on Michael's dreams in film direction/production and where he saw his role in that industry. I would have enjoyed that very much...:-)

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