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Michael Jackson Justice: Michael Jackson Day 2 and 3 of Murray Pre-Trial

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Thursday, January 6, 2011

Michael Jackson Day 2 and 3 of Murray Pre-Trial


Covering Day 2 and 3 of Murray Pre-Trial

Here are some highlights from testimony the last two days for the pre-trial of Conrad Murray.  I am focusing not ONLY on the testimony, but the contradictions within the testimony of different witnesses, reports from the press, and the postings of  certain facebook groups.

Here we go!

“A bodyguard testified Wednesday that the doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death grabbed a handful of vials and ordered him to put them in a bag before telling him to call 911 during frantic efforts to revive the King of Pop.

Alberto Alvarez was the first security guard to reach the bedroom where prosecutors say Dr. Conrad Murray administered a fatal dose of the powerful anesthetic propofol to Jackson on June 25, 2009.

He said he was frozen at the sight of Jackson on the bed with his eyes and mouth open. He said he saw Murray place vials in a plastic bag that he then gave to Alvarez to put in a canvas sack.

"He just grabbed a handful of bottles, or vials, and he instructed me to put them in a bag," the tearful Alvarez testified.

Murray also told him to place an intravenous bag into another sack. the bodyguard said.
"Is it true that 911 had not been called yet?" Deputy District Attorney David Walgren asked.

"That's true," Alvarez replied.

The bodyguard said he asked Murray what had happened to Jackson, and the doctor replied, "'He had a reaction, he had a bad reaction.' That's all he said."

At one point Jackson's children Paris and Prince walked into the room.

"Paris screamed, 'Daddy!' and she started to cry," the witness said. "Dr. Murray said, 'Get them out. Don't let them see him like this."'

Alvarez's voice choked as he described Paris crying and he took a moment to compose himself.

"I said, 'Children, don't worry, we'll take care of this.' And I escorted them out and left the door ajar," Alvarez said.

After collecting everything and bagging it, Alvarez said Murray told him to call 911. The prosecutor then played a recording of the call.

When an operator said to transfer Jackson to the floor, Alvarez said, he grabbed Jackson's legs and Murray grabbed his upper body. He said at that point he noticed an IV in Jackson's leg and it had to be removed. Alvarez also noticed that Jackson had a urinary catheter.

Alvarez said Murray then asked him to give Jackson chest compression while Murray did mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.

"Did it appear he was breathing," Walgren asked.

"No sir," Alvarez said.

"His eyes and mouth were open?" the prosecutor asked.

"Yes," the witness said.

"Did he seem to be alive or dead?" Walgren asked.

"Dead, sir," Alvarez said.

 The testimony could provide key corroboration to the prosecutors' argument that Murray's actions demonstrated "an extreme deviation from the standard of care" by administering propofol without the proper equipment, and also concealing it and botching efforts to resuscitate the singer.

Walgren said Tuesday in his opening statement that Murray waited as long as 21 minutes before paramedics were called. Jackson died before help was summoned, the prosecutor said.

Murray was providing Jackson propofol roughly six times a week since being hired as the singer's personal physician in May 2009, Walgren said.

Murray, a Houston cardiologist, has pleaded not guilty, and his attorneys have contended he did not give Jackson anything that should have killed the singer.

At the end of the preliminary hearing, which was expected to go into next week, a judge will rule whether there is enough evidence for Murray to stand trial on an involuntary manslaughter charge in the pop star's death. He could face up to four years in prison if convicted.

The hearing was expected to include testimony from police, coroner's officials and forensic experts who will describe the mix of sedatives found in Jackson's system.

Preliminary hearings have a lower burden of proof than trials, and defense attorneys rarely present a case. Murray's attorney, Ed Chernoff, did not make an opening statement.  Source FoxNews

Keep the Faith


Today, TMZ covers Murray’s tie, but . . . why photoshop him against the background?  Take a close look at this picture.  Murray is a tall man, not to mention that there is no depth evident between Murray and this background.  Source
 
Some Twitters for today

MJJCommunity MJJCommunity
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Blount testified Thursday he was surprised to see the bottles because Dr. Conrad Murray had told paramedics he hadnt given Jackson any drugs

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Paramedic says he thought Michael looked like a Hospice patient yet, he was a picture of health for 50 concerts?

MJJCommunity MJJCommunity
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Another paramedic testified ... Dr. Conrad Murray denied giving Michael Jackson drugs as the singer lay lifeless in his bedroom

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judge being very strict...no information can be reported until

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Pretrial Hearing started w/the cross of paramedic Richard Senneff who said there were 3 rounds of meds given to revive #MJ

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Chef Kai Chase said home was usually happy but on 25: I saw gurney, housekeepers crying..energy of uncertainty, something didn’t feel good.

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Senneff: we tried a type of adrenaline to...kick start the heart. Didnt know it was MJ, with IV line to calf, thought was a'hospice patient'

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Senneff: all I can say my gut feeling, this had not just happened; this has been a period of time, I would think more than 20 mins

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Senneff: Murray said MJ was 'was practising all night. I was treating him for dehydration…..it still seemed too simple'

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Senneff: we tried a type of adrenaline to...kick start the heart. Didnt know it was MJ, with IV line to calf, thought was a'hospice patient'

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Senneff: didn't feel pulse - although Murray insisted he did. Court adjourned until 0015 tomorrow

TMZ – Conrad Murray “Loves” Michael’s Mom, Miss Katherine. Source

This is the first actual testimony (if reporting is true) where a paramedic actually testifies that they did not know the person they were treating was Michael Jackson and that they thought  he was a hospice patient.  I’ll leave my thoughts on that one in my head for now.

There was some slight deviation from yesterday’s REPORTED testimony where now, Kai Chase testifies that  Chef Kai Chase said home was usually happy but on 25: I saw gurney, housekeepers crying..energy of uncertainty, something didn’t feel good.”


TMZ – Sources say cops are suspicious of Dr. Murray's account. They say when Dr. Murray was interviewed by them two days after Jackson died -- his lawyer by his side -- the doctor's account seemed "scripted." Source

Scripted?  These people testified that Murray was panicked, yet had the wherewithal to have Alverez collect I.V. bags and medicine bottles, but two days later, sounded scripted.  The only thing missing here in this account was Murray “snapping his fingers” toward the jury.

That same TMZ article said – “Here's the problem -- when paramedics arrived the room was sweltering. So Jackson's body temperature could register in the 90 degree range, even if he were dead for a long time. But we're told paramedics did not get a read on his body temp because they were busy performing CPR.”

  - Now, according to one paramedic, Murray was sweating profusely when they got there.  I’m going to go out on a limb here and piece the room temperature and Murray’s perspiration together.  It is possible, if the room was as sweltering as one paramedic testified to, that Murray was probably not the ONLY ONE sweating.


And not that this is important, but I just had to include this Twitter from Genevieve Jackson:

genevievejaxn Genevieve Jackson
GOOD MORNING! GOOD MORNING! GOOD MORNING! :) TIIIIIIIIME FOR THIS EARLY MORNING WORKOUT :) WOOOOHOOOOOOO

My reply?  GOOD FOR HER!  I saw her twitter yesterday on how proud she was of Miss Katherine (her grandma) for her strength.  I have to agree.  Looks like she takes right after her and you know what?  This sounds like a woman who is confident that justice will be done.  Faith in God is a common trait in that family.

Yambo3003 Yamil©
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Murray also called a number of people, including his girlfriend, Nicole Alvarez, but the only record shows 1:08 PM.

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Yambo3003 Yamil©
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Murray also called a number of people, including his girlfriend, Nicole Alvarez, but the only record shows 1:08 PM.

Yambo3003 Yamil©
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This is inconsistent with what law enforcement tells TMZ -- that he was on the phone with Alvarez just after 12 noon >>>

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<<< and when Murray realized MJ was in distress he dropped the phone.

On Thursday 6th January 2011, @QuirkyDiana said:
In his cross-examination, Murray’s attorney, Ed Chernoff, questioned Williams about his connection to the Nation of Islam and about other phone calls he made in the minutes after Murray’s call. He also asked the personal assistant how frequently he went upstairs to Jackson’s bedroom, and whether his fingerprints may be found on vials, intravenous bags or syringes.

“I don’t know how that’s possible, I never touched any of that,” Williams said.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/01/choreographer-kenny-ortega-michael-jackson-too-weak-to-perform-just-before-death-.html

Faheem Muhammad was asked if he ever was fingerprinted by the cross examination. The lawyer for Dr.Murray hinted at the facts all 3 of today's witnesses were connected and the family gained control of the home later on Jan 25th. (I think they mean June 25th)

http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/a_year_and_a_half.php

Keeping in mind that not everyone testifying will be telling the truth, there is going to be a lot of contradicting testimony and there is also going to be a lot of contradicting reporting in the press/media.  On top of that you are going to have contradicting interpretation of BOTH of everything online.

I may not be able to keep up with everything, but I will TRY!

KEEPING THE FAITH




Michael was THIS STRONG – We Need to be Also

36 comments:

  1. Dear Bonnie,

    This is interviews by Raffles Van Exel with farrakhan he basically admits noi security was around MJ when he died. There is also interviews done by Raffles with Travis Payne and Frank Delio. Very interesting in one of these interviews he said MJ lawyers contacted him a week before Mj died and said he was going too lose everything if he didnt do the concerts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BepIvg6wakI&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0Ti-zRbuw8&NR=1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2o-xtdYRMs&feature=related

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  2. Mmmmmmm....and who is that behind Jermaine in the last photo????? Wasn't that taken during MJ's trial???...

    Mmmmmmm....remember CM's Las Vegas home that is/was in foreclosure, the one that was searched...what does that house and gated community have in common with Neverland???...

    Mmmmmmm....remember the connection you made with the NOI...

    Kenny O's testimony was cut off by the judge when he brought up the illusion he and MJ were to go over on 6/25.

    The paramedic said he thought he was looking at a hospice patient, he did not recognize MJ...the "reporter"(I use that title loosely, it was on Ustream)that was in the court room also said that when they asked CM why they were there CM responded with a I don't know.

    I don't want to be labeled insensitive so I will stop. Can't wait to hear what is revealed Friday.

    Mmmmmm piece by piece relates in a number of ways....

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  3. Marvelous Mary said - "This is interviews by Raffles Van Exel with farrakhan he basically admits noi security was around MJ when he died. There is also interviews done by Raffles with Travis Payne and Frank Delio. Very interesting in one of these interviews he said MJ lawyers contacted him a week before Mj died and said he was going too lose everything if he didnt do the concerts."

    >>> Farrakhan? You're going to quote Farrakhan who's SON IN LAW was PICTURED at the Jan 2004 meeting with Branca, Koppelman, Malnik and Modabber? Farrakhan is a lying, paid off troll. http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2010/12/branca-koppelman-behind-michaels-noi.html Who was Raffles before Michael's death? Farrakhan does his recruiting in prisons and feeds on hate.
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    Miss Shae said - "and who is that behind Jermaine in the last photo????? Wasn't that taken during MJ's trial???"

    >>> I thought that was established quite a while ago that the person behind Michael was NOT Murray. Murray is like 6' 4" and this man's ears are not even the same. I forget who this was . . . someone help her out?

    The rest of what you said? You're not insensitive.

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  4. @MissShae - person behind MJ and Jermaine in photo isn't Murray; Bonnie covered that a long time ago.

    Who owns NL and Murray's residence at Red Rock CC? - I believe that is Colony Capital; I'm still wondering who is paying Murray's bills as he drives around in his Mercedes and shops at Nordstroms as this prelim is moving forward. Not saying its Colony, but it's got to be some fat cat.

    I believe the paramedic thought the "scene" in the room was that of a hospice patient, and he didn't recognize Michael, because most RATIONAL people in that paramedic's situation would never think of Michael Jackson as being in a "hospice" situation.

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  5. @June - re: Colony Capital: Colony Capital is reported to have owned the country club neighborhood Red Rock, not Murray's home. However there was also another report that Colony Capital saved Murray's home from foreclosure (as they did with Neverland for Michael). It was also reported that Murray's wife is the doctor who's name that home was under, but when I did checking, she was licensed in Virginia, not Nevada even though she supposedly practices as a pediatrician in Nevanda (???) Very, very convoluted.

    Was this the only paramedic that testified to not recognizing Michael? Was there another one with him reported in the press (online) back a month or so after Michael passed?

    Here is what I don't understand. We saw footage of Michael performing two days before the 25th. Just my opinion but he did NOT look like a hospice patient . . . nowhere near.

    How did Michael get to looking THAT DIFFERENT in two days?

    On the autopsy report, the mention of tattooing and several scars but no mention of the burns or scaring on the scalp.

    Hopefully the REAL reports and not the press version will tell us.

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  6. Bonnie - this paramedic who referred to "hospice" was talking about the room itself, with the pills, vials, IV's, other uglies, words and meanings can get very distorted, don't you think? MJ of course didn't look like a hospice patient the day before he died because he was NOT a hospice patient. The paramedic was just making an observation, as if I were to say it looked like a hospital setting, IMO.

    You said there is another report that Colony saved Murray's home from foreclosure, just as they did Neverland. I can surely see trying to save Neverland, and getting cozy with Michael Jackson at the same time, but I can see no obvious benefit in Colony saving Murray's home, can you?

    Yes, all too convoluted.

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  7. @June -

    June, go back to the testimony . . . the paramedic also said he DID NOT RECOGNIZE MICHAEL. I don't know how else the words or meanings of THAT can get distorted. We have to listen to ALL the words.

    Colony: Yes, there was a REPORT. We don't know if it is true, but if it was, getting cozy with both Michael and Murray could be taken two different ways.

    Tunnel vision can be very dangerous when playing chess, even as a spectator.

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  8. Hi Bonnie,

    This blog is also very informative regarding the hearings.

    http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/01/dr-conrad-murray-prelim-quick-links.html

    Pam

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  9. Pam I have mixed feelings about leaving that link up here. Why? Because they are affiliated with Discovery Communications, LLC (Discovery Networks, Discovery Channel, etc...) And we know what THEY were involved in.

    I will leave it up for now, but if ANYONE senses anything wrong before I do, PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO LET ME KNOW.

    Thank you Pam.

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  10. Sorry Bonnie, I know you said “I’ll leave my thought on that one in my head for now” but I couldn’t leave it in my head. All your suspicious questions about the hospice is valid. “Didn’t know it was MJ, with IV line to calf, thought was a'hospice patient.”

    Okay when the paramedics arrive there, they did not know who’s house they were and who the person they were supposed to treat? Are they saying they didn’t know how Michael looks like or are they saying he didn’t look like the Michael they know? I know hospice patient looks very bad because of the prolonged disease that eats up the patient body, and I have seen one it’s pretty bad. The Michael who was dancing singing on the 23 and 24 and as “Chef Kai Chase said home was usually happy...” looked like “a hospice patient” on the 25th? What a confusion?

    How about “Alvarez also noticed that Jackson had a urinary catheter.” Did anybody know Michael had bladder leaking problem? I know that it is a normal procedure doctors use on surgery, but he wasn’t having surgery that took hours and hours under anesthesia to need urinary catheter. I need help on this one.

    @June, I understand what are you trying to say but the direct quote of the paramedics is “Didn’t know it was MJ, with IV line to calf, thought was a'hospice patient.” Do you know or does anyone know if his words is written somewhere other than twitters account? If we know that, it will solve the problem whether he said the patient or the room.

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  11. @Mimi - I didn't post it :o)

    I believe Pam posted a link to someone who SAYS they are in the courtroom taking notes, but in reading over their first day, they are missing some detail that was present in other accounts, and from what I saw on day two and three(have not re-read yet) They did not post this exact statement about that but maybe I didn't get to it yet.

    Mimi you are right, the Twitter post is sparsed so they can fit it into the post. I would also like to see the exact quote, court transcripts.

    June knows I have my suspicions about this "illusion" and I don't know how anyone could not know it was Michael, even without makeup, ESPECIALLY without makeup.

    Catheter (I HATE talking about this, this is GROSS!) is not something a person "sleeping at home" would just have administered and you have to remember that according to the autopsy report this person SUPPOSEDLY had several stints inserted at arterial points such as the groin area and neck. This is also not normal, sleeping patient procedure, this is someone that had several I.V.'s going and had been sickly for quite some time. I find it very hard to believe that Michael was on this every night (except the two days that he was well, the 23rd and 24th), and pulled all these catheters every day before rehearsal, only to have them reinstalled every night.

    I don't know if I will have the stomach for evidence presented once they do get to the autopsy report, but regardless of WHAT happened and WHO it was the paramedics were assisting, this was another person at one time. I cannot just sit here and read/write about someone like they were some nameless cadaver, so discussion on this will be HARD FOR ME.

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  12. Hi Bonnie,

    You said; Pam I have mixed feelings about leaving that link up here. Why? Because they are affiliated with Discovery Communications, LLC (Discovery Networks, Discovery Channel, etc...) And we know what THEY were involved in.


    Whoa I did not know that! I read in the discription that they are volunteering in this blog and did not get paid. He/she does this in his/her spare time according to the discription.
    Thanks for your warning though! This person also says the notes are not complete yet.

    To Mesrak; This might be difficult to read but the UCLA doctor says this;

    What is a urinary catheter?

    Urinary catheter, It’s put on the penis. For those that are incontent or when they are sedated. She observed that when he came in, he had on a condom catheter. At any time did Dr. Murray indicate that he had administerd propofol or any othe benzodiazapine? No.

    Here is the link to the article;http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/01/dr-conrad-murray-prelim-day-3-part-ii.html

    Pam

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  13. Mimi, when I first read the coroner's report last year I was taken back by that urinary catheter, but then there was also a large closed bottle of urine in the room; anyone else remember that? Michael was using flomax which increases urinary output, but aside from that I feel Murray was "treating" Michael for dehydration and pushing lots of liquids in him (in addition to the propofol?); what goes in must come out and if a person is knocked out, they will not get up to use the restroom. I know this is awful; Bonnie, I apologize; but Mimi asked. An observation I have about this is why Murray was so careful about making sure Michael didn't wet the bed, but he didn't give a damn about how many respiratory suppressants of different types he pushed into him; just like he was real anxious to get back to MJ's house to remove the incriminating "cream" (his excuse to get back to the house to hide evidence, imo), so the "world" wouldn't know MJ used it; by that time Michael was deceased and I'm sure really didn't care anymore. What a guy, this "doctor" Murray.

    I agree with your last statement Bonnie, no one has the stomach for this; imagine Katherine sitting there every day listening to all this, God bless her.

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  14. I feel pain all over by body to imagine this if the “Doctor” is really as Bonnie said, “pulled all these catheters every day before rehearsal, only to have them reinstalled every night.” Maybe this is what he was doing since he said he was giving him the anesthesia every day for whatever weeks.

    When are they going over the autopsy result, on the trial? – If there is one, and who knows what the judge is going to decide. When are we going to know on what he decided anyway?

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  15. Bonnie said: "June knows I have my suspicions about this "illusion" and I don't know how anyone could not know it was Michael, even without makeup, ESPECIALLY without makeup."

    Many people don't follow pop culture at all. Lots of people don't listen to the news or pay attention to singers, entertainers, etc. or don't even watch TV. I see this paramedic as someone who just wasn't aware of the show biz world.

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  16. @Pam who said - "Whoa I did not know that! I read in the discription that they are volunteering in this blog and did not get paid. He/she does this in his/her spare time according to the discription."


    I don't know if they are getting paid. The site has four contributors and every one of them have their own blog account. Three of them since 2008. I don't think they work for Discovery but they are link partnered with them.
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    June said - "Mimi, when I first read the coroner's report last year I was taken back by that urinary catheter, but then there was also a large closed bottle of urine in the room; anyone else remember that? Michael was using flomax which increases urinary output, but aside from that I feel Murray was "treating" Michael for dehydration and pushing lots of liquids in him (in addition to the propofol?); what goes in must come out and if a person is knocked out, they will not get up to use the restroom. I know this is awful; Bonnie, I apologize; but Mimi asked. "

    >>> God, fine . . . okay yes, I remember the bottle of urine and here is my question. Michael was supposedly awake which is why Murray was giving this additional relaxers and anti-anxiety meds. Propofol wasn't given, according to MURRAY until after 9am. So how long was this bottle of urine there and how old was it?

    Also, if propofol wasn't given until after 9am, why would Michael need a catheter, if propofol wasn't planned until after the other meds were given?

    Why so many stints for IV's? Michael was dancing and singing. Femoral catheters are not exactly the most comfortable things in the the world. You don't just jam them in there, take them out and get up and dance around. Femoral catheters are customarily used on patients who are not moving around or bedridden. They are dehydrated and not eating.

    Let me tell you, when they messed up my surgery and I had to go back in for emergency surgery, I had no food or water for eight days. They STILL DID NOT USE FEMORAL CATHETERS on me and I had major, major abdominal surgery (pretty disgusting actually). I almost died and they still did not use femoral catheters even with the massive amounts of antibiotic they had to use on me.

    That is why none of this is really making any sense.

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  17. @June - I can't imagine Miss Katherine having to listen to all this, if I can't even listen to this. I am so tired of taking part in dialog and reading this garbage like Michael was some rubber doll that didn't have a heart and soul (and I guess they think his family doesn't either). This is all WAY TOO PERSONAL and I don't know how people can do this!!! Good LORD!!!!

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  18. Mimi said - "I feel pain all over by body to imagine this if the “Doctor” is really as Bonnie said, “pulled all these catheters every day before rehearsal, only to have them reinstalled every night.” Maybe this is what he was doing since he said he was giving him the anesthesia every day for whatever weeks. "

    >>> I know how you feel. I almost don't want to come back to this blog and read all this because I can't keep the tears. All of this is INCREDIBLY disrespectful and if getting to the truth wasn't so doggone important I wouldn't even be DOING THIS! You have NO IDEA how much I hate this!

    There were MULTIPLE STINTS in the man the paramedics took out of that room. There were multiple stints recorded on the autopsy report. YOU DON'T DO THIS TO SOMEONE JUST BECAUSE OF INSOMNIA! This is someone who had multiple I.V.'s at one time. You see this in long illnesses NOT INSOMNIA!

    Even if Murray had trouble getting an I.V. started, you don't put stints in and leave them there over periods of days while the patient went to rehearsal for crying outloud, it would cause infection, bleeding under the skin and for an arterial stint? During Billy Jean? Give me a break!

    Good idea . . .I'm taking a break.

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  19. Rhoda said - "Many people don't follow pop culture at all. Lots of people don't listen to the news or pay attention to singers, entertainers, etc. or don't even watch TV."

    >>> I know, I didn't either before June 25th. I knew music and that was it but not celebrity-familiar. However, Michael is Michael and if these people knew enough about Michael to know what he was SUPPOSED to look like, how could they be shocked at what this person in the room looked like?

    It's just one of the things I am watching.

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  20. I simply cannot believe some of what I am hearing and reading about the details coming out of the prelim. Its so out there its almost laughable that a doctor that has never had a malpractice suit file against him and whose patients speak highly of would or could be so incompetent??? If this reaaly is the truth, could this have been a bad and tragic mistake. It is almost seems ridiculous....Are we in the middle of a reality movie??? Is this really the truth??? Is it really??? Wowwww....Just how bad will this get?

    Poor Mrs Jackson to set and hear this about her son. If this is what it is, lets uplift her and all concerned in pray.

    It just all seems sooo soooo surreal!!!!

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  21. @MissShae - Best thing I heard all week in this thing . . . lifting up Michael's mom/children/family in prayer.

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  22. Bonnie - you asked "how long was this bottle of urine there and how old was it".

    I don't know the answer but it was recently described as a "jug".

    I really need to take a break from all this "reality"; I'm not an MD or anything close to it, and this particular discussion is just too painful. I was only answering Mimi's question.

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  23. We've already been through the worst. The initial fake autopsy that was bought and paid for, and then later the second, more accurate autopsy, both went into some very personal detail that we should have never known about.

    What's to come here will hardly be groundbreaking stuff. It will also not be a factor at all to the outcome of the trial. I see beyond the trial and this information serves absolutely no purpose for the charge of involuntary manslaughter. What is going on here is a swerve to try and get Murray on miniscule illegalities of (for e.g.) not paying appropriate duty of care to Michael. He may very well be found guilty of this lesser charge but will not serve any amount of respectable time... correction: he will serve no time behind bars whatsoever - guaranteed.

    It's simply so the mainstream news media can report that "justice is served - Murray was charged." That won't be further from the truth... but what does truth have to do with entertainment court cases? Something to think about.

    One last thing for this ridiculously long post - if we are to believe the story that Murray gave, on record, to authorities when questioned about the events leading upto his death (e.g. he was away for 60-120 seconds in the "bathroom" while MJ was apparently asleep) - then how could he know that MJ had a "bad reaction" to the drugs? How did he know it was the drugs at all? He, according to his official statement, wasn't even in the room. Something to think about.

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  24. June said - "I really need to take a break from all this "reality"; I'm not an MD or anything close to it, and this particular discussion is just too painful. I was only answering Mimi's question. "

    >>> I can't agree with you more.
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    Exodus said - "if we are to believe the story that Murray gave, on record, to authorities when questioned about the events leading upto his death (e.g. he was away for 60-120 seconds in the "bathroom" while MJ was apparently asleep) - then how could he know that MJ had a "bad reaction" to the drugs?"


    >>> Very, very good question, Exodus. I wrote that one down! And your post was not that long at all. I have a copy of both "autopsies". I read through them for the first time last year. I can bear the thought of looking at them even less now then back then. I don't know why that is, but there is still plenty of room to shock me. The D.C. reenactment was such a shock. The people BEHIND that program, despite what I know they are capable of, was still a shock.

    The depths of the evil involved in this will forever shock me.

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  25. In regards to his drug use, we all know MJ was too smart in regards to his health to inject himself with a lethal level of Propofol. He'd supposedly been using it for over a decade, so he'd know the difference between a normal and lethal level to put him to sleep. This was no accident. The physical killer is on trial, those who plotted it are not. None will be convicted of his murder.

    You think the depths of evil extend only to some TV channel looking for a quick buck? No. Think about the largest music company in the world that sees an opening to create another Elvis. Think they're gonna take it? You bet.

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  26. June said, "An observation I have about this is why Murray was so careful about making sure Michael didn't wet the bed, but he didn't give a damn about how many respiratory suppressants of different types he pushed into him..."

    ``````````Yes June, sickening to say the least!! "What a guy" indeed!! What a criminal disgrace!!


    Bonnie said, "I don't know if I will have the stomach for evidence presented once they do get to the autopsy report, but regardless of WHAT happened and WHO it was the paramedics were assisting, this was another person at one time. I cannot just sit here and read/write about someone like they were some nameless cadaver, so discussion on this will be HARD FOR ME."

    ``````````Hard for me too. I DON'T look forward to going into these details either but it will eventually be necessary in order to get to the truth. Ugh! I never forget that Michael was a person with a heart and soul who deserved and still deserves to have his dignity respected. It's aweful that so much of his personal business has been put out there for the world to comment on.


    Rhoda said, "Many people don't follow pop culture at all. Lots of people don't listen to the news or pay attention to singers, entertainers, etc. or don't even watch TV. I see this paramedic as someone who just wasn't aware of the show biz world."

    ``````````True. clearly, the paramedic had not seen Michael in person before. People tend to be alarmed by Michael's very white skin color when they see him in person for the first time. Under the circumstances it makes sense to me that the paramedic would not initially recognize him and due to his pallor, thinness and medical paraphernalia in the room, he initially perceived the situation like a hospice.

    Exodus said, "how could he know that MJ had a "bad reaction" to the drugs? How did he know it was the drugs at all? He, according to his official statement, wasn't even in the room. Something to think about."

    ``````````Yes. Simply put the man lied. The "bad reaction" garbage is meaningless to me. Murray knew exactly what happend.

    MissShae said, "Poor Mrs Jackson to set and hear this about her son. If this is what it is, lets uplift her and all concerned in pray."

    ``````````Well said.

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  27. Exodus said - "You think the depths of evil extend only to some TV channel looking for a quick buck? No. Think about the largest music company in the world that sees an opening to create another Elvis. Think they're gonna take it? You bet. "

    >>> Absolutely not. I've stated many times who is behind this. The ones making all the money. I don't think though, that this has to do with creating "another Elvis". Michael was bigger than Elvis. Michael was more global than Elvis. This is about more than just Music and catalogs.

    Sony is not yet the biggest music company but it is in their plans. The money is a big part of it, yes, but why go through so much expense and put themselves at so much risk over a 20+year period?

    Sandy Scott said this was the fight of our lives. She's not being melodramatic. This is a fight for control of something so powerful that people's lives are changed.

    They want control of the creativity that inspires people.

    We connect music to every little moment and memory of our lives. Music can change our moods, our mentalities and there are songs out there that have changed lives.

    That is what they want control of.

    You think about Michael's messages in his songs, you think about what he wanted to do with film and music together and that is powerful stuff. They didn't want him having control of that.

    They don't want someone like Michael giving people hope because when people have hope, they are not as easy to control. This is a whole other topic that I have started on before and we will be digging more into this.

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  28. SandyK said - "Hard for me too. I DON'T look forward to going into these details either but it will eventually be necessary in order to get to the truth. Ugh! I never forget that Michael was a person with a heart and soul who deserved and still deserves to have his dignity respected. It's aweful that so much of his personal business has been put out there for the world to comment on."

    >>> The truth is going to come out on this, of that I have no doubt. Now people ACCEPTING the truth is another matter. We already have had people coming to conclusions about what Michael said or did not say to Murray about his medications and stating it as fact . . . as if they were in the room with Michael and Murray 24/7 to hear what Michael talked to Murray about.

    We had another person saying Murray was taping syringes to Michael's dead hand to make it look like Michael injected himself, this is just CRAZY!

    We have two autopsy reports. Why did the family feel that was necessary? Do we have two bodies?

    We have conflicting testimony of Michael's condition. The last two days of rehearsal, Michael was singing, dancing and in a good mood. The last day he is a hospice patient.

    Trolls are everywhere . . . they are not all journalists and PayPal merchants.

    As I was told, this is what court is for. We are not even to trial yet. There is much that does not make sense. We are not going to solve this in Pre-trial.

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  29. Bonnie said: "I've stated many times who is behind this. The ones making all the money."

    In the last sentence, I take it you are referring to the Jackson estate. Remember, Bonnie, that $ony paid $250 million to the Jackson estate for all of his work until 2017. I won't even begin to estimate the amount of profit they will make by that time but let me tell you, they weren't giving the money away as a charitable donation.

    Bonnie said: "I don't think though, that this has to do with creating "another Elvis". Michael was bigger than Elvis. Michael was more global than Elvis. This is about more than just Music and catalogs."

    I disagree to a point. As soon as the 2003 allegations hit, Michael was not bigger than Elvis. His stock had dwindled considerably. Simply put, he would never have had this level of success unless he died. Not only died, but died shockingly (e.g. in preperations for a tour.) An equally important aspect, kind of the other piece of the puzzle, is that $ony would not even be contracted in any form to him unless he died when he did. Just meditate on that for a while and let it sink in.

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  30. Bonnie, you and I had a positive interaction yesterday but you (or we) are back to the old tricks again. Disagreement may not even be the right word to explain my thoughts but let's get to the posts...

    Bonnie said: "We had another person saying Murray was taping syringes to Michael's dead hand to make it look like Michael injected himself, this is just CRAZY!"

    I didn't say those exact words but yes, it's very plausible that - while Michael was sedated - Murray simply filled up a syringe, emptied it out, placed Michael's hands around it and then threw it on the floor. You'd do the same if you were paid to kill someone. The fact that Bonnie so aggressively denies this theory and flat out calls me "crazy" makes me wonder. This is from a woman who is suggesting he faked his death and didn't even tell his kids. In my book, that's more far-fetched.

    Bonnie said: "We have two autopsy reports. Why did the family feel that was necessary? Do we have two bodies?"

    To be perfectly honest with you, I think you're trying to push the idea that he is alive. Whether you're paid to do so, I can't say. No ill feelings or trying to be rude, just a candid opinion about what I feel when reading your blog.

    To answer your question and get back to the point, the Jackson family ordered a second autopsy because the first was fake in its information. It was bought. MJ was a stick figure. He did not weight 136 lbs.

    Bonnie said: "We have conflicting testimony of Michael's condition. The last two days of rehearsal, Michael was singing, dancing and in a good mood. The last day he is a hospice patient."

    He was sent home from rehearsal on June 19 for having the shivers. He was unable to perform. Honestly, who knows what drugs he took to be able to perform on June 23 and 24, but whatever it was worked. I believe the "hospice patient" remark was in regards to the state of his bedroom, but who knows.

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  31. Hi Bonnie,
    this is Simona.
    Hope you've had a nice end of 2010 and an interesting beginning of 2011.
    I have been at the hospital from right after Christmas Day until January 8th and - wow - it's good to be back but it'll take me a couple of weeks more to fully recover. Feeling very dizzy and pretty much like I suddenly turned 97, so strange. (I have this autoimmune chronical disease that likes to remind me of its persistence every now and then, and when it happens, well, it usually means business - but I'm still standing!).
    So I have a massive catch-up to do on so many things, even non-Michael-related of course, not to mention work, house, et al.
    But as much as my first two days back home were spent cuddling with my daughter, today I felt like passing here and saying Hi, Hsppy New Year.
    The new look is soothing, must have told you before but it really is, even more now that I am still so weak. Michael's expression in that picture is - well you know what it is, we all do. He has it and that's all. Michael has kept me company on many an atrocious night over the last two weeks, he sat by me, wrapped in a blanket, on a quiet sandy beach at night. We talked, we held hands, we comapred foot sizes, we discussed children and parenting, people's insanity, cooking. And he sang me a lullaby.

    Being secluded and kept away from all the noise, all the rumours, and having to concentrate on my healing process - I was free to go back to him on my own intimate personal terms. And as usual, it was the magical experience I needed. Michael does not need anything, he encompasses it all. So much love.

    Sorry about the blabbing, and now I'll try to read some old posts, but very very slowly.
    Blessings!

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  32. Exodus - I am allowing your post because you accused me of something and I want to address it:

    You said - "I didn't say those exact words but yes, it's very plausible that - while Michael was sedated - Murray simply filled up a syringe, emptied it out, placed Michael's hands around it and then threw it on the floor. You'd do the same if you were paid to kill someone. The fact that Bonnie so aggressively denies this theory and flat out calls me "crazy" makes me wonder. This is from a woman who is suggesting he faked his death and didn't even tell his kids. In my book, that's more far-fetched."

    >>> The information I put on this blog is due to research I have done and that includes the possibility that he may not have been the one that died in that house. No amount of "positive interaction" with anyone is going to discount the research I KNOW I'VE DONE nor will it discount the truth, which will be what it is REGARDLESS of how popular it is or isn't.

    I don't do this for popularity and I don't do it for money. If you want to throw out accusations about me getting paid by someone just because I disagree with you, this will be your last comment here. I have gotten paid by no one nor have I solicited funds for anything.

    I am more than aware of certain people posting here that have an agenda than perhaps you do. For some reason it is really important to some people to know where I live and what my number is so they can call me and talk to me about MICHAEL. This is SERIOUS Exodus, this is not a game. I would not be getting these phone calls if I wasn't close. I have already posted and exposed those involved with TINI and their hell-bent on deflecting attention off the estate executors and Sony in favor of AEG and WHY.

    You said - "To be perfectly honest with you, I think you're trying to push the idea that he is alive. Whether you're paid to do so, I can't say. No ill feelings or trying to be rude, just a candid opinion about what I feel when reading your blog."

    >>> To be perfectly honest with you, I am REPORTING on the possibility, and if you will READ the past year of research I have done, you will see why I come to that possibility. I don't go to other people's blogs and do what just did. Not only is it VERY MUCH RUDE, it borders on trouble making. You are a new poster here and your motives are questionable.

    I believe Michael could have escaped them. SO WHAT. Would his being alive be a problem for you? Throw a wrench into your plans?

    You, Exodus have posted NOT ONE SINGLE RESOURCE in any of your accusations. MINE are all over this 227 blog entries.

    The POINT I KEEP TRYING TO MAKE is that THE COURT and not THE PRESS DRIVEN OPINION of these attack groups all over FB and Twitter will determine exactly what it was that Murray did and how it was done.

    If that is too challenging a concept for you to handle then please take your syringe-taping stories off my blog and somewhere else where they will be appreciated . . . like the National Enquirer . . . not to be rude.

    Thank you!

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  33. Hi Simo -

    Wow. I didn't know you had been through all that! And over the holidays too! I have another friend that had some health scares with her family. I am so glad you are okay! If you are feeling any prayers, some of them are from this household.

    Take your time and don't over-do it.

    So who's feet are bigger? Yours or Mike's? LOL! Lovely. I bet that helped in your healing girl!

    Take care and take your time. We'll be here♥

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  34. Exodus said - "In the last sentence, I take it you are referring to the Jackson estate. Remember, Bonnie, that $ony paid $250 million to the Jackson estate for all of his work until 2017. I won't even begin to estimate the amount of profit they will make by that time but let me tell you, they weren't giving the money away as a charitable donation."

    >>> If you read this blog, you will know who I am referring to. The estate executors AND Sony, since one of the estate executors . . . the one MYSTERIOUSLY PRODUCING the questionable will, has been working for Sony all along. I don't understand your point in that paragraph. Let me try another one:

    You said - "I disagree to a point. As soon as the 2003 allegations hit, Michael was not bigger than Elvis. His stock had dwindled considerably. Simply put, he would never have had this level of success unless he died. Not only died, but died shockingly (e.g. in preperations for a tour.) An equally important aspect, kind of the other piece of the puzzle, is that $ony would not even be contracted in any form to him unless he died when he did. Just meditate on that for a while and let it sink in."

    Michael's level of success surpassed Elvis's before he died. Not only had he out-earned Elvis as a living artist, he also co-owned a publishing empire and had a career that spanned 4 decades . . . Elvis did not. At the age Elvis was when he got his first recording contract, in Michael's words . . . Michael had already been a veteran in the industry.

    Lisa Marie Presley didn't have a recording contract until she was married to Michael. She was offered one by Tommy Mottola before their marraige, but was pregnant with her son at the time and had to put it off. I've covered all this.

    Lisa Marie had some very interesting things going on with hers and her father's estate during the time of her marriage to Michael. Lisa Marie was after Michael. Was Sony behind that? That is discussed on this blog as well.

    You know, I would really like you to go back and read this blog. Your comments like "just let that sink in" are really abrasive to someone who has already researched and blogged about all this, coming from someone who has obviously not taken the time to read it. And since I am not getting paid by anyone to do any of this, doing YOUR homework twice is outside my scope of responsibility.

    The focus of this blog is Michael and what they did to him, not defend myself to someone who comes here new, and without reading the history here, try to tell me I don't know what I've already posted about. Consider this your last post. I don't have time to argue with you.

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  35. Something that has always bothered me is Alvarez following orders from Murray. I thought he worked for Michael! Was he not being paid by Michael? How many of us in the same situation would have been gathering and bagging incriminating evidence to save the doctor's hide rather than immediately phoning 911 for Michael?!? Come on, something is just not right with that scenario!

    And, the whole subject of "hospice patient" sure sets off alarm bells of a possible alternate scenario. Guess I'll just have to wait and see, huh?

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  36. Bonnie said: "I am more than aware of certain people posting here that have an agenda than perhaps you do. For some reason it is really important to some people to know where I live and what my number is so they can call me and talk to me about MICHAEL. This is SERIOUS Exodus, this is not a game. I would not be getting these phone calls if I wasn't close. I have already posted and exposed those involved with TINI and their hell-bent on deflecting attention off the estate executors and Sony in favor of AEG and WHY."

    First time on the net in a couple days, otherwise would have replied sooner. Basically, I'm not here to put down your opinion. If he's alive, that would be great but it's absolutely not what Michael is about to let his kids BELIEVE that he is dead - to sob at his public memorial, to be tramatized by looking at (what they think is) their dad lying with his eyes and mouth wide open, lifeless, on the bed.

    I feel he died that morning "at the hands of another" (fact) but the court systems work differently. So do the fans. We all have different reasons for coming to opinions but that doesn't mean one is more "crazy" than another. Opinions are just opinions and since we're talking about the death of the biggest star in the world, all plasible avenues should be looked at.

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