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Saturday, October 1, 2011

More Discrepencies in Conrad Murray/Jackson Trial



Day 4 Michael Jackson and Conrad Murray Trial


Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.  13Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.  14And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.  15And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.  16Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 

17And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.  18Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.  19And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?  20To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.









Today was a bit much.  We hadn’t heard much of this information since the autopsy was released.  I’m not any less sensitive to the information as I found out today.

Geeze, Michael.  This really isn’t stuff I wanted to know about you.  I would have never been able to handle a career in the medical field, this much I am sure of.  If I hear the word “condom catheter” one more time I’m gonna puke.  How’s that for a professional attitude?

There are quite a few outlandish and in my opinion UNNECESSARILY sensational details coming out.  There are also some discrepancies in today’s proceedings.  If there is anything else I missed I’m sure someone will bring it to my attention.

I’ve also been told that I am being too mean.  I don’t know what to say to that other than I will try NOT to be mean.  It’s just that I hate sitting here for seven hours and typing things that people are not going to bother to read before telling me I missed something I DID MENTION BUT SOMEONE DIDN’T BOTHER CHECKING OR READING THE NOTES.

This blog is not a CONDEMN MURRAY blog.  Sorry but it’s not.  It is a JUSTICE BLOG FOR MICHAEL.   Justice is not a witch hunt; it is a search for the TRUTH.  If you want to burn Murray at the stake or drag him behind a pickup before he even gets this trial then go somewhere else.

Michael would not want it any other way.  If you cannot give Murray a fair trial, then you are doing the same thing to HIM that THEY did to Michael back in 2005.

We’re NOT ANIMALS, we are SUPPOSED to be human beings.  And I am SORRY Michael has to have his PERSONAL, PRIVATE BUSINESS raped AGAIN for us to get this message.

GIVE MURRAY A FAIR TRIAL – Make Michael proud.

Most of us waiting for the live feed are not privy to the order of witnesses until they are called by the prosecution.  Yesterday we had an incident where someone’s cell phone from the press went off and the judge kicked them out of the court room.  I have since found out that person was none other than William Wagener.  This is William’s version of what happened:

William Wagener on Alvarez and his Cell Phone Snafu


Wagener complained about the cross examination from Chernoff, but as we found out today Alvarez claimed some things that two paramedics contradicted.  I cover that below.

I was sent emails with links to various things . . . one of them was a picture of Janet Jackson coming to court with what looked like an “Eye of Horus” pendant.  I couldn’t see exactly what it was from the picture, but if it goes with her skull and crossbones ring, then I would say she probably should get a new fashion consultant, because I don’t think they match.  Maybe Joe made her wear it. (this is sarcasm for those who take me too seriously.)

I took notes as fast as I could.  I may have missed some things but this is what I got below.  I had to stop at one point because I was getting a little disgusted with the lack of emotion.  I know paramedics see this on a daily basis, but I don’t and I can’t talk about people like they are shells.



Court Notes for September 30, 2011

Court begins for the day.  One of Murray’s patients is called to the stand, Robert Russell.

Russell says call was 'odd' because Murray said his heart was 'repaired', but had previously said it could 'never be repaired'.  I have no idea what context this was other than Russell was discussing what it was that he and Murray talked about concerning Russell’s previous treatment by Murray.

Robert Russell's voice mail received 11.49am June 25th.

Murray was scheduled to return to Vegas the week after MJ died, prior to flying to London, according to voice mail he left Robert Russell.

Richard Russell testified that Murray was a great doctor but testified that he told Russell that Murray told him he was taking care of Michael Jackson.  If this is true that Murray discussed Jackson, this is in violation of the Doctor/patient confidence as well as various HIPPA laws.

Murray was 'highly excited' by the news. Told patient (Robert Russell) to keep it secret as he hadn't told his staff yet.  This must have been conversation that took place prior to June 25th as this would have been before Murray sent his email to his clients through the clinics.  According to day 1 testimony, Murray sent the email to his clients telling them they would be leaving Medicine indefinitely.

Murray's model, Nonin 9500, cost $275 approx in 2009. Nonin 2500A, with visual & audible alarms, cost $750 in 2009.  This was all over twitter that Murray should have bought the more expensive one, however I would like to point out the obvious . . . If Murray believed Michael needed such equipment in the first place, he had more than one clinic he could have pulled this equipment from for use.  Why would he have to go out and buy anything?

Also, IF IT IS TRUE that Murray only gave 25mg’s of Propofol, that really isn’t enough to keep anyone asleep for any length of time. I would have been more concerned about the other meds since Propofol is so quickly metabolized through the system and doesn’t stay with the patient.

Chernoff on cross examination asked Russell if he drove all the way from Vegas to court in L.A. to testify against his Dr.  He seemed to be leading to a motive.  We know Michael’s prosecutors in 2005 went across the world looking for victims and even set up a web site.  Would an entity have motive to ‘find’ and compensate witnesses to make sure Murray took the fall for them?  I thought Chernoff had every right to ask this question. 

One weird question Chernoff asked Russell about Murray:

Chernoff: 'He's sort of a spiritual guy isn't he?' Russell: 'We never discussed anything of a spiritual or religious nature.'

Russell said, 'At the end of the treatment I was dismayed. Flabbergasted. I felt left out... abandoned.' Robert Russell on Conrad Murray.  We know there are Murray supporters outside the courtroom.  No doubt the defense will have a chance to call their own patients of Murray’s.

There is a break. Chernoff asks to leave the court.

We find out later that Chernoff’s partner in his law firm was interviewed on the Today Show and was commenting on this case.  Whatever it was, the judge described it as shocking.

Richard Senneff is on the stand right now and Chernoff re-entered the court.  Brazil begings questioning Senneff, one of the first responder paramedics on the scene.

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Seneff is called by Brazil  to the stand

Time was 12:22 responded out of the station.

Time observing and entering room is – 12:26

Said patient was underweight, wearing Pj’s bottoms and open top.  Murray was frantic.  He was moving patient from bed to the floor.  He asked about a DNR and Murray didn’t initially respond.

He repeated question, there was no DNR order.  Patient is then on floor.  He saw I.V. stand and I.V. bag.

Deviation is that patient was still on bed when paramedic arrived.  Seneff testified that Patient’s torso was on the bed and legs were hanging off as Murray and Alvarez were in the process of moving him to the floor.

Senneff said he tried to talk to Murray about condition of patient.  Murray didn’t respond until third attempt and Murray said he had nothing.  No underlying condition which didn’t make sense considering what he observed.

Patient was moved to the foot of the bed with head facing far side of bed.

Other members of team are taking over starting CPR.  EKG is being hooked up.

Didn’t recognize Michael Jackson.

Blunt was ventilating to push air into patients lungs.

This was started immediately.  Goodwin started attaching stickers for EKG which shows electrical reading of heart.  This showed a flat line.

I.V. was still in place in his leg with which Senneff administer meds.  This deviated from what Alvarez said yesterday (that he had removed IV before medics got there).

Murray said he’s not taking anything, then said he gave him some Lorazapam to sleep.  He asked Murray if there was anything else and Murray said no.

Treating him for dehydration and exhaustion.

Blunt intubated the patient by putting a tube directly into his lungs.  Clear path for tube to get lungs.

Reading from Capnography reading was 16.  This is very low.  Senneff explained that this reading measured the force of exhale from lungs.

He conveyed to hospital base UCLA to report.  He spoke to nurse monitoring radio.  Age of patient, condition, down time, what he’s seen and what he’s done.

Observations were skin was cool to the touch.  Eyes were open, dry and dilated.  EKG flat lined. Capnography was low, 16.

Epinephrine and Atropine was administered.

Used left external jugular to insert IV since no success in finding vein in arms.  Goodwin attempting to get I.V. in arm.  Unsuccessful. Worked on both arms, about 5 attempts.  Unsuccessful.  It is 'significantly more difficult' to locate a vein in a person's body when their blood has not been circulating blood for a while.

Base asked if they wanted to continue trying to intubate the patient.  They said continue.  No change in patient’s condition from the time they arrived.

I.V. was not pulled out of the leg until they began administering starter drugs, by Murray who was also assisting.

Pulse was checked there was a pulse before the hospital asked if they wanted to call it.

Right femoral region was where Murray said if he felt pulse.  Senneff said he looked at EKG and saw flat line with evidence of CPR going on.  He told his crew to discontinue CPR but continue ventilation.  Clean flat line resulted.  Heart was not functioning electrically.  Senneff checked for a pulse as well as Blunt.  They did not feel one.  They checked Femoral also.

Starter Drug administered at 12:40, 3.5.  Said Murray told him patient was allergic to Thorazine.  12:57 when he was talking to UCLA is when they wanted to call it for lack of life signs.

HYD stood for hydration relation to I.V. and treatment.  Lorazapam was also written on that paper.  Sodium bicarbonate cuts down on acids that build up when patient is not breathing.  UCLA was ready to call time of death.  13:00 hours.

Recording is very muffled, but you could hear that they wanted to call it.

Dr. Murray wanted to assume care of the patient when they made order to transport.  Murray requested them to do a central line.  Paramedics are not trained to do that and it is usually performed at a hospital by a doctor.  Murray did not offer.  Senneff said Murray requested Magnesium to try and save him.  Murray did not indicate if he had Magnesium.

Shows medical report on all patient contacts.  Senneff explained he filled out the run sheet.  Date of Birth reads 8-28-1958.  They administered Sodium Bicarb right before transport because some time had lapsed.

Patient was transported on backboard downstairs. Fire captain, Goodwin, Blunt and myself and engineer McGandy.

Senneff witnessed Murray picking up things and putting them In the bag.  Senneff returns to bedroom once MJ is downstairs to retrieve his equipment. has bag in hand. Picking up items from the floor.

Eyes were still fixed and dilated. Skin still tinged blue.  Patient was given further started drugs.  No change in his condition. 

Murray remained in the bedroom when Senneff went back downstairs. Murray later joined them in area near ambulance.

Testified to Murray talking on his cell phone in back of ambulance.  Senneff testified to no change in condition in patient’s condition from the time he arrived at Carolwood to the time they arrived at UCLA.

1:13 they arrive at UCLA.   Brazil verified further all the testified information.  She added if Murray had ever mentioned Propofol to Senneff during the time they were in contact.





Mr. Gordjion cross examines.

Senneff testifies that the patient was so underweight that he could see his ribs.  He looked like someone with a chronic illness.

Discrepancy from yesterday was time and that Michael was still on the bed in the process of being moved.  I.V. was still attached to leg and Murray, not Alvarez removed the I.V.

No witness of Alvarez’s testimony that Murray was giving Michael Mouth to Mouth. 

Yesterday Alvarez testified that he and Murray moved Michael to the floor and he testified that he moved Michael DURING 911 CALL!

Alvarez also testified that HE removed the I.V. before paramedics got there, NOT DR. MURRAY AFTER PARAMEDICS BEGAN WORKING ON HIM.


COURT BACK IN SESSION

Gordjion is now cross examining Senneff and is reviewing info from earlier in the day.

From the time Senneff walked in he testified to Murray doing his best to help bring Michael back.

Murray was picking up wallet and glasses, Paramedic did not see what it was.

Senneff said only a minute or two that Murray took to join him at ambulance.

Senneff – No change in Michael’s condition during transport.

Senneff – Common that fractured ribs would possibly occur during chest compressions but Senneff was not aware that Michael had sustained those injuries.

Electrical, pulse less activity on a monitor is measuring electrical impulses but not actively pumping.

If Patient is PEA, there is protocol that still need follow.  Would NOT shock if patient is PEA.

Asks if Senneff would have done any different treatment if he had known about Propofol.  Objection to this sustained.

Brazil re-cross.

Said Murray was surprised to see paramedics.  Surprised that someone else walked into the room.  Said Murray had a trash bag in his hand.

During 40 minutes Brazil asked if Senneff had seen any signs of life

Gordjion asked if he could determine how long Michael had been in arrest.  He said approximately 20 to 20 minutes.

Gordjion asks again that he didn’t see what Murray was retrieving from the room.

Brazil – re-recross asks again about the 20 minutes to an hour that Michael had been in arrest.

Mr Senneff said previously arrest could have been anywhere between 20mins and an hour. Defense mis-stated testimony.

Gordjion – asked about surprised look.  He did not stop doing what he was doing.  Just continued to get his stuff together.



People call Martin Blount.

Brazil questions.   Blount became paramedic in 1999.

Brazil asks about the call from Carolwood.  Rescue ambulance. Parked inside gates near front door.  Went inside residence.  Who directed?  Bodyguards on staff.

Other rescue were Senneff, Mills, Herring, Goodwin, on fire truck parked on street outside gate.

What he saw upstairs:

- gentleman laying on the bed. Fully on the bed.  Saw Conrad Murray
- Herring and Goodwin helping Murray get Michele off bed and onto the floor. (differs from Senneff’s testimony early today).
- Murray was flustered, agitated, sweating profusely
- Murray said, Need help, could he help him please.
- Blount said he is considered patient person, initial treatment and assessment.
- Seneff is the communication to hospital
- Said he recognized Michael Jackson as soon as he went in the room.(differs from Senneff again).
- Saw colleagues relocate Michael to foot of bed.
- Medical box and defibrillator in hand

Started basic life support/cpr on patient.
Started giving breaths to patient, started breathing for patient.  He is responsible for providing air for Michael.

Used tongue depressor, to hold tongue from going to back of throat.  Head tilt back, chin up.  Use ambulatory bag to push air into airway.  (Lord!)

Use oxygen with the ambu bag to Michael’s face.  Their own oxygen they used.  Took only minutes to perform all this.

Advance life support.  Endotrachea tube to get air directly into the lungs.  No assistance from others to do this.  This was attached to oxygen tank as well.  About 45 seconds.

Intubation considered advanced and learns early on in career.

Physical condition:

- non breathing non moving
-eyes fixed dilated, open
- he felt Michael was dead at that time

Saw oxygen tank, long tube w/ nasal canola for oxygen. (goes into nose and around the ears . . . oxygen tubes.  Was on Michael’s face.

Other medical equipment, IV attached to right leg, 1,000cc bag attached to IV stand.  No EKG or pulse oximeter near or on Michael.

No rhythm on heart monitor.  It was flat lined. 

Did he hear Senneff ask Murray about Medications.  Said Murray said no meds.  Said Murray reply no to meds.  Said Murray said patient was healthy 50 year old male.  Normal saline.

- said Murray said Michael was dehydrated after 16 hours of rehearsal.
- testified to starter drugs administered.
- Starter drugs were atropine and
- Goodwin tried to administer drugs to veins and was unsuccessful
- Jugular to administer starter drugs (another round?  How did they get first round administered? No one catches this.)

- Administer Lidocaine (heart drug) this was not the paramedics medication. Never heard Murray say he had given Jackson Lidocaine or Propofol.

(This could be because Murray did not administer these drugs to Michael or at least the Lidocaine.  Propofol he later testified to 25mg).

Did not hear Murray provide any information on meds he gave Jackson.

Did not hear Murray say he felt a pulse.

Refreshed on testimony on Murray.  Said he heard Murray feel pulse in groin area of Michael Jackson.  Compressions then stopped to see if that pulse is artificial or on the patient’s own.  No independent pulse was found.

Blount heard base say they were prepared to call time of death.  Blount did not have any reason to believe Jackson was still alive.  Saw no signs of life.

Said Murray assumed control of patient.  Jackson was then placed on backboard.  Was then taken downstairs.  All paramedics assisted.

Blount saw Murray scoop three bottles of Lidocaine into a black bag.  This happened near far side of bed, on wood part of the floor, near t.v.  Murray did not hide this nor did he ask anyone to leave room when he did this.

Sat next to head of Jackson in ambulance.  Blount said additional starter drugs were administered.  No change in Jackson.

Saw Murray on the cell phone in ambulance.  Heard him say “It’s about Michael, it doesn’t look good”.

Blount said he saw a condom catheter and noticed this while Murray was saying he felt femoral artery.  Heard Murray said Michael was down for one minute.

Michael still felt warm in the bed, he said, skin was cool to the touch.  (which is it???)  Said it didn’t make sense that Jackson was only down for one minute.  In his medical experience he said Jackson was down for a longer time.


Mid afternoon break . . . Latoya is not tweeting,  This may have to do with the gag order Judge Pastor gave attorneys and jurors of any media discussion of case thanks to Chernoff’s partner and Good Morning America Interview.  Piers Morgan probably scrambling to find another guest to fill his evening slot on Fox.


Gordjion cross examines.

They verify where Michael was when he entered. Head on pillow, still on the bed.

-IV attached to leg, nasal cannula attached to face and condom catheter was in place.

- Very pale, very thin
- Murray sweating profusely, frantic, please help he’s not breathing
- Jackson was after, moved to the floor, part of his team did it, Goodwin, Murray and Herring

- Murray was treating Jackson for dehydration, no recreational drugs.  Illegal drugs.
- Murray said no to other drugs
- Did not hear Murray tell Senneff had administered Lorazapam
- Did not hear Murray tell Senneff he gave Michael Loraz to help him sleep
- did not hear Murray say Jackson was down for a minute prior to calling 911
- Verified in charge of ventilation and Herring was in charge of compressions
- Verified AMA changed compressions more important, but 2009, breathing was primary.
- Murray asked for assistance for CPR is common.
- Skin cool, eyes fixed and dilated, down for a while.
- Epinephrine and atropine
- UCLA wanted to call it, Murray did not.
- Noticed Lidocaine bottles on floor by foot of bed.  Not hidden
- Murray never mentioned Propofol.
- Jackson was in asystoline the whole time, never in PEA.


Brazil redirect exam

- no further questions.

People call Dr. Richelle Cooper to stand

Walgren Questions

- goes over her background, specialty anatomy of movement, neurological
- MD in 1994, residency program in E.R. program
- (just my opinion, but she looks medicated herself, slow blinking, eyes are wide, like she is fighting to stay awake.)
- is involved in teaching faculty academic emergency to residents.
- board certified in ER medicine.  Works on a rotation basis in E.R.
- Bay station for mobile intensive care nurses, work with paramedics to direct care over phone.

- she authorized them to pronounce patient dead at 12:57, she didn’t know who he was at the time, based on info from the MIC nurse.

- was informed patient was intubated, epinephrine and atropine was still asystolic.
- then authorized them to pronounce patient dead.
- was then informed patient had personal physician who was taking over.
- Directed doctor would have to accompany patient to hospital if they are taking over bay station direction.

- She took over when they arrived and brought Jackson in.
- She could see ambulances coming in.
- verifies back hallway where two trauma bays are end is ambulance arrival at doors.

- Trauma room to right is where Jackson was taken
- 3 resident and 1 to check and assist, they would assign nurses and a pharmacist and a couple of technicians.

- respiratory specialist responsible for bagging patient when they arrive.
- scribe nurses record what happens.
- other nurses, draw blood, obtain IV access etc…
- Social worker assist to gather info to contact family or primary care physician.
-  charge nurse assigned to cover all patients and assign staff to different rooms.
- doctor, 4 residence, 2 techs, resp. therapist, social worker, charge nurse, scribe nurse and pharmacist.

- additional people for privacy
- Someone brought Murray to her to introduce as personal physician, she identifies.
- Asked Murray what happened
-  Jackson working long hours, was dehydrated, IV and gave him two different doses of Lorazapam

- She asked several questions about patient care.
- Murray reported had not been ill but working hard and dehydrated.
- Told was given Lorazapam through IV and had a second dose.
- Was never told about other medications by Murray
- Said he witnessed arrest
- Said Murray said he witnessed the actual arrest.
- Murray presented her with no medical records or documentation
- Asked about other meds, Murray said Flomax and Valium
- Flomax for individuals with large prostate or kidney stones
- she asked other med problems, cardiac history, clots, drug use
- Murray said no to all of them
- Asked further about seizure activity, was told no.
- No physical signs of trauma
- Jackson’s conditions were as described.  Clinically dead, no pulse, no heart rhythm, heart muscle contractile, eyes fixed and dilated, no respiration, no palpable pulses

- They did attempt to revive.
- endotracheal tube was correct (through vocal chords?), had breath sounds from manual breathing
- initiated CPR, and gave meds to resuscitate.
- Used ultrasound to examine heart
- Shows picture of ER room, trauma gurney and she describes equipment in room
(trying to figure out why all these pictures are necessary of ER room if the question of his death happened at the residence.  ER doctor not on trial, is she?)

Judge calls council to bench.

Evening and weekend adjournment.



Will continue with Richelle Cooper on Monday, still Walgren questioned.

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I did not watch any commentary on this. There was so much information on this, especially once Dr. Cooper was interviewed.  I then went out to dinner with my husband so he would believe I still love him.

I have some things to type up tomorrow, but after viewing all this today, I want to know what, if anything, the fans are supposed  to figure out with this court case.

I can tell you from what I have witnessed?  I hate Hollywood.  I hate the media and I hate anything to do with fame.  If you want to be dissected before you are dead, and you want people to know everything about your anatomy AFTER you’re dead, just become a celebrity.

I really do not want to watch any of this anymore.  I don’t care if the person they found ISN’T the real Michael or not.  Whoever it was is still being laid bare to the public IN THE NAME of Michael.

Aside from that, there are so many lost opportunities for DIGGING by both sides, I have a real hard time believing this trial is even real.

What I see:

A bunch of cannibalistic, sub-human, drooling and salivating beasts on talk T.V. appearing to make a parody of the way their own industry handles the death of one of their own.

This is starting to look like a televised, extended version of “Ghosts”.

I will update you on some of Jermaine’s book this weekend.

Love you guys . . . Love you Michael.




59 comments:

  1. Hi Bonnie - I hope you do not mind that I post this on today's blog. I originally posted on the Day 1 Trial. I just want you to know I thought about your question and answered (and you could see it since it was several days ago). I posted about the picture. You asked me "what is the convincing factor for you that he's dead?" To be clear, I am convinced that Michael Joseph Jackson is dead - I am just now completely conflicted about the Michael Joe. It is not the photo itself that has me convinced; rather this photo is the trigger. I know it may make absolutely no sense to anyone else, and I admit it is purely an emotional reaction, but there are several things at work: First reaction, I cannot wrap my mind around how anyone could look at that face as shown and not recognize who it is despite the descriptions (thin, frail, skeletal, hospice patient etc.) Second reaction, the visual triggered all the information, mis-information and conflicting detail surrounding June 25 2009, pulling the pieces together like an Escher drawing of impossible constructions. I have recently heard (and loved) Obee’s video Life is a Movie. Given the recent timing of the release of that video and my viewing of it, the line “what do you see when you see me” keeps running through my head. So that phrase exploded the emotional balloon when I saw that photo (and I HAVE to answer that question now, faced with this visual “reality”). Finally and as very correctly stated, the overall photo is “off”. But it is not just the fuzziness and physical proportions. It is the setting, and I speak this from my experience. Both of my parents are deceased. Both passed in a hospital approximately 5 years apart. I was with each one (I was in my early-mid twenties so remember it well). At NO time was either ever in a gurney unattended or situated in a way that could present itself as a photo opportunity in this manner. There are no shots of anyone else anywhere in that picture including glimpses of arms, legs, shoulders, feet – nothing. There is only a solitary gurney and a body. We know through testimony he was surrounded and attended when he was brought into the facility. If family/friends were to come in to see the body, to mourn, assist, say goodbye– as has been told by Latoya and others – after the pronouncement of death, medical staff would have ensured that a blanket or sheet was properly covering the body for the family’s sake. If this were a morgue shot, the sheet would be covering the body completely and the body would be positioned, not splayed. This photo is off in so many ways.

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  2. (continued )- Add to all of this that, given my daily work perspective, I have always considered that there could exist a small possibility that Michael Joe - a legal entity as defined by drivers license, passport and court documents - had deconstructed the “brand” – the entertainer superstar and entity as defined by documents and/or personal reference - for whatever reason(s) that only he would know and be well reasoned to do so. Brands are created, deconstructed, recreated, retired, and archived all the time ; think Naptha soap or Citrus Hill juice – the brands no longer exists, but the product formulations can still evolve. I found myself asking myself in this whole case, this conflagration of information, what is the one thing that is true – and, sorting through the totality as I can find is that the one thing is that Michael Joseph Jackson is indeed gone. Michael Joseph is the brand continuing to be marketed as post-mortum profit. Michael Joseph is indeed the subject of the autopsy. By inference: Michael Joseph is the picture…..certainly the recognizable superstar. Beyond that….. I just want to encourage you to continue doing what you are doing and hold on to what I have found to be an ever present guide ”Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen “(Heb 11:1 KJV, AKJV) My prayer is simply that all of this heartache is not in vain. I hope you know how your work points towards a greater purpose through all of this, and I know it is so hard some days. God bless you always.

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  3. Bonnie, I don't write often but I visit your blog daily. I love the extra information you give ,I love your personalised comments etc. Since the time zone is different for my country I get to see very little of the streaming live trial and that too if I stay up late. I have to depend on news (not accurate),videos and blogs. Yous is the one blog which does not fail to deliver.So do not get discouraged Bonnie, remember there are people who read and re-read your blog. Thank you so much for all your effort.

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  4. BONNIE : " If you cannot give Murray a fair trial, then you are doing the same thing to HIM that THEY did to Michael back in 2005."

    Correct. Independently from the worldwide Michael fans'emotion, C. Murray deserves a fair trial. But after the end of the witnesses'hearings, I am curious to hear what for a "fair plaidoyer" the Defense will serve to Michael next ! OK the Defense is for C. Murray, not Michael, but we all know that Michael is now again targeted as "suicidal junkie" or "drug addict" : a term already casually "dropped" yesterday by the Defense Attorney Nareg Gourjian to Richard Senneff. What does an acute Propofal intoxication causing death in 2009 has to do with a patient's 2003-2005 legal file treated by Geragos & Geragos Law Firm ? N. Gourjian was in the early 2000's Co-Counsel to Mark Geragos & thus had access to Michael's file on the 2005 Trial before Mark Geragos was replaced by Tom Mesereau.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/14/conrad.murray.lawyer/index.html?section=cnn_latest

    How come C. Murray came specifically to Nareg Gourjian who is now managing, apparently with relatives, the Gourjian Law Group (Vared Gourjian worked formerly with another law firm, the name of which also includes the name "Rothman" : the same as Barry K. Rothman, ex-lawyer to Evan Chandler in 1993 ? How come Judge Pastor came to agree with the participation of N. Gourjian ? Who will pay for C. Murray's Defense Attorney fees ? Himself (?), the US taxpayer or a "generous anonymous donator" ?

    http://www.gourjianlaw.com/

    Isn'it a small Sony world ? But I maybe I am wrong !

    As to Kai Chase, yes, a problem : A horrible failure only or more ?

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  5. They were detailing all the equipment in the ER room because they will use it to contrast all that was available at the UCLA to save lives.... contrast that with what Dr Murray had in the bedroom. Also because all this equipment and expertise could have been available if only someone had dialled 911 quicker.

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  6. Bonnie Hi.My thoughts exactly.Nobody's testimony is adding up.It's almost as if they all went to a different location.I also agree with your assessment on the talking heads and Hollywood(in general).They're feeding off each other.I can't watch the commentary myself,it makes me sick to my stomach.Also,(not a popular view),I can't help feeling sorry for Dr.Murray.It reminds me too much of when Michael was on trial,and the hate and lies that were told.(For the dollar signs they were seeing.)Peace.Linda
    P.S. Just saw an advertisement for Piers Morgan...John Branca interview on Monday night!

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  7. Gingerod said - "To be clear, I am convinced that Michael Joseph Jackson is dead - I am just now completely conflicted about the Michael Joe. It is not the photo itself that has me convinced; rather this photo is the trigger. "

    ..... Forgive me, I will have to go down through your post in pieces . . . lots in their to address. But before I do, I wanted to ask you . . . Have you read Jermaine's book yet?

    1. Photo - That photo is not something that would convince me that Michael is dead. Why? Because TINI is not the only people that know how to photo shop. The photo is in such bad quality you can't see anything. The legs on his person do not fit the size of the upper body, the FACE looks like a younger Michael but again, I can also take into consideration the poor quality of the detail of that photograph.

    If Michael were going to put some people in their place, he would very much use the same weapons they used against him.

    2. Joe and Joseph - I believe Michael used both names for a reason, but his legal name is Joe (middle name, sorry). He also had other aliases so this is no surprise.

    3. To be continued . . . after breakfast . . . BRB,

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  8. I have watched only several hours of this trial thus far but have most of yesterdays proceedings recorded to watch over the weekend...when I am in the mood to face the dread.

    I certainly understand your disgust, Bonnie. I don't think anybody here would blame you for not watching the entire trial. Your documenting and insight is really appreciated though!

    I got really agitated watching Brazil's questioning, thinking 'God, what happened to our justice system?". Is she an intern or a 'seasoned' lawyer? I am seeing such a dumbed-down version of what America once was. Sometimes she doesn't even appear to know the meaning of her own questions. The repetition was excruciating. Geez, it's all on record the first time she asks...and the 2nd & 3rd. Then she missed obvious opportunities for clarification...as you have said.

    Gingerod said:
    "there could exist a small possibility that Michael Joe - a legal entity as defined by drivers license, passport and court documents - had deconstructed the “brand” – the entertainer superstar and entity as defined by documents and/or personal reference - for whatever reason(s) that only he would know and be well reasoned to do so."

    Thank you for that, lots to think about in your comment!

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  9. @Gingerod -

    4. The recognizability of the photo, I agree with you. I still hold that any part of that photo could have been "shopped" in any combination.

    5. You bring up good points of exactly what a post-mortem patient, people around him, positioning etc . . . plus this does not look like the E.R. room we saw pictures of in court Friday. This looks like a gurney left in a hallway. There is nothing of contrast, color, equipment or as you said, people's legs or portions of people who might have been attending to him.

    OBee's Video - Another good point.

    I have not had the opinion that Michael was dead probably since late last year where I was almost 100% sure he's alive. The more I see of this trial the more I believe that. However, this gut-wrenching PERSONAL info about medical conditions, physical conditions, what aparatus was on what part of his body is way too, TOO MUCH information. I know this information would not be out there WITHOUT Michael knowing about it, but I want to cover my ears every time I hear them talk about this and it makes me angry that he would even have to do this to get a message across. (Princess Diana - "One of you still wonder why, one of my friends had to die, to get the message across that yet you haven't heard . . .")

    You said - "”Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen “(Heb 11:1 KJV, AKJV) My prayer is simply that all of this heartache is not in vain. I hope you know how your work points towards a greater purpose through all of this, and I know it is so hard some days. God bless you always. "

    ...... THAT . . . made me cry. ♥♥♥ God bless you.

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  10. Malcy said - "I get to see very little of the streaming live trial and that too if I stay up late. I have to depend on news (not accurate),videos and blogs. Yous is the one blog which does not fail to deliver.So do not get discouraged Bonnie,"

    .... Awww, thank you Malcy. I'm not discouraged about Michael, but about the people in the media/press and what I said in my comment back to Gingerrod. I know the time zones are a problem for people so I try to get every moment of this trial - the TESTIMONY as well as what I hear conflicts with previous testimony. There is a lot being said that people are not catching, certainly not the media. I also find it very, VERY encouraging that Jermaine's book it in itself a clue of sorts and I am reading to keep time with the trial. I will write on that before Monday but If I don't get some housework done, my husband is going to banish me to the garage!

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  11. Line said - "I am curious to hear what for a "fair plaidoyer" the Defense will serve to Michael next !"

    ......... Me too! I see the whole "Michael is a drug addict" defense, but much of this was built up in the press BEFORE the trial even started. So we do not know if that is actually the defenses position. Their position seems to be THUS FAR that it was someone OTHER THAN MURRAY who gave the lethal dose. That is what SEEMS TO BE where they are going with their questioning.

    It does not help the prosecution that their witnesses are thus far not in synch with each other. Three different people (Alvarez, Senneff, Blount) testified to three different versions of where Michael was when paremedics came in, who took out the iv from Michael's leg and who moved Michael to the floor from the bed. Blount seems more believable to me, and I like that he is very polite and respectful.

    You said - "N. Gourjian was in the early 2000's Co-Counsel to Mark Geragos & thus had access to Michael's file on the 2005 Trial before Mark Geragos was replaced by Tom Mesereau."

    ......... I missed part of this (bthroom break), but someone did email me about that too and yes, I am watching. Lots of these lawyers have worked around and with other lawyers in the past. That is kind of hard to escape. That's like saying Stevie Wonder has to be a sinister person because he's in the music industry, so I try to give everyone the benefit of a doubt as we go through this. BUT . . . that's not to say that Chernoff doesn't have possible plants working with him. He was stressed yesterday and did not seem to be aware that his partner was going to be interviewed about the case on the Today show.

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  12. Monika said - "They were detailing all the equipment in the ER room because they will use it to contrast all that was available at the UCLA to save lives.... contrast that with what Dr Murray had in the bedroom."

    .......... I don't necessarily agree with this only because nobody expects an E.R. room with all equipment to be in people's homes. Many people die in emergency rooms and we don't see people in there taking tons of pictures to prove cause of death. Calling 911 quicker, I agree but I want to see what the defense comes up with when they begin presenting their case. Thus far we have only seen them cross examine the witnesses from the prosecution.
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    Linda said - "I can't help feeling sorry for Dr.Murray.It reminds me too much of when Michael was on trial,and the hate and lies that were told.(For the dollar signs they were seeing.)Peace.Linda
    P.S. Just saw an advertisement for Piers Morgan...John Branca interview on Monday night!"

    .......... I know it's not a popular view . . . now you are banned from the blog! LOL! (sorry, just kidding). I am looking at Murray's face and I'm not feeling it. He looks very sleepy most of the time. Someone emailed me about him looking like he has no muscles in his face and I just cracked up laughing because of the way she said it (so sarcastic).

    One of the most interesting comments came from Chernoff in the opening arguments - "During this trial, you are going to find out who Dr. Murray REALLY is . . ."

    I can't wait!

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  13. Linda - Sorry, I forgot to comment about Branca . . . Piers Morgan.

    Ugh.

    There's my comment.

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  14. @BONNIE : Many thanks also for your great Day 4 reporting : A precious tool indeed but please give up if you feel you fall apart. Last, Conrad Murray guilty or innocent, I only wish like you all we know soon what REALLY happened, if God will !

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  15. Hey Bonnie
    Something was discovered I think that you may already know about. Not sure what to think about this or if this is only on the TMZ feed but right before the trial starts they show the Official seal of California. If you count the stars above Eureka the number is 32. There are only supposed to be 31 stars on the seal. Kind of reminds me of all the weird seals on the autopsy reports.
    Here is a link for the info on the seal. Maybe you the super researcher can figure this out if you want to take it on. Not like you have anything else to do right!
    Thank you again and again for all you do for Michael and the fans who read your blog!
    http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/seals/ca_seal.htm
    With Love
    Mjsmessengers

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  16. Dear Bonnie,
    I hope you are having some rest. You need it. And we need you healthy...Thank you for the reporting and thank you for your answer on Day1 reporting. You are so kind and your work is very helpful for us (for me). God bless you.

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  17. Bonnie,
    I believe the manner in which firemen and medics talk about patients, is a way of dealing with things they see every day. I recently had to care for a sick relative, and I can't tell you how important it is to give correct data to paramedics on their arrival at the scene. It can lead to a wrong diagnosis and wrong patient care if an error is made and not corrected. I am not a medic and my words almost led to a wrong diagnosis, which could have had serious consequences for my relative. So the news that Murray allegedly gave medics the wrong data upon arrival at Carolwood really stood out for me. That plus the discrepancy over WHO and WHEN the patient was moved to the floor - as if you'd forget that kind of detail.

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  18. Line said - "A precious tool indeed but please give up if you feel you fall apart. Last, Conrad Murray guilty or innocent, I only wish like you all we know soon what REALLY happened, if God will !"

    ............ Give up? What? Nooooooooo, I just wish they would stop with the catheter stuff. That's all they can talk about on HLN and I'm telling you! Nancy Grace and her FANTASIES of "Michael surrounded by his own..." (I can't even say it, but you know if you've heard her!) Where is she getting this garbage??? Can't someone superglue her lower lip to her forehead or something? Even if this wasn't Michael this was SOMEONE! What does she thing she will be doing when she's 90-something and has to use a walker to get her teeth from the sink across the room? Her "Depends" days are not that far behind!

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  19. MJSMessengers said - "If you count the stars above Eureka the number is 32. There are only supposed to be 31 stars on the seal."

    ........ Hey! You're absolutely right! The very first discrepancy I miss it, LOL! I need you guys, I can't possibly catch all this by my lil' lonesome. I have some others I will post that people emailed to me.

    Now I'm thinking, if that seal is a purposeful phony and it's meant to clue us in on something, is it possible that the Jackson's are walking into a court house, but we are possibly watching a previously taped trial? (How else could the Jackson's agree to a Tribute over the course of a trial?) This is just theory though . . . We'd have to figure out if the press in the court room was "meant" to be there and those on the outside of the courtroom (that didn't get the "lottery" drawing to be in the court room) are actually the real press.

    That seal is a big deal.
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    Coxib35 said - "Thank you for the reporting and thank you for your answer on Day1 reporting."

    ......... You're welcome. I'm trying to keep up, it's not fair! I mean I love Jermaine's book but it's like my workload has doubled because there are things in his book that coincide with some of the clues in this trial. I know what I'm gonna do! Hehe, I should have done this from the beginning. I will have to go back and sticky note some pages.

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  20. Princessglam said - "So the news that Murray allegedly gave medics the wrong data upon arrival at Carolwood really stood out for me. That plus the discrepancy over WHO and WHEN the patient was moved to the floor - as if you'd forget that kind of detail."

    ........ That's exactly it, Princess. There is something not right and when you consider that the paramedics gave different versions of who moved Michael and where Michael was when they got into the room, compared to Alvarez's testimony. There are links to the transcripts at the top right of this blog. Go back over the security and William's testimony when you get a chance. I can catch things I didn't hear when watching because I had to take a break or something.

    Remember, Michael was not in his normal bedroom . . . why?

    Michael was described as extremely thin, looking like a hospice patient, very underweight and none of the family can "figure out" how this happened in three weeks? (Ferrigno saw him two weeks prior and said he was healthy).

    Aside from that, as someone said above, what the heck is up with that Courtroom "State of CA" seal?

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  21. People -

    I sent this in response to Diane when she emailed me asking about the photo and the rectangular blocks on the wall in the security photo and the band on his wrist:


    "No, I didn't see reference to a tag or a band on his wrist. The gurney in that room on the day 4 photo I posted (the security photo) I see the wall and the markings you are talking about but there is no one on the gurney in that room and the gurney is pulled away from the wall. The picture I posted of "Michael" on the gurney on the Day 1 blog update shows a similar rectangular marking on the wall, but when I was looking at that, I also noticed a difference in color on the wall looking through the bed bars and the wall at the foot of the bed. It could very well be that Michael's "upper" body was "shopped" into a picture with a person on a gurney with "shorter" legs. The composition is definitely off.

    Michael's wrist with the band on it . . . Look how small his wrist is . . . no wrist bone and we know he has a very prominent one.

    Also you're typical "gurney" is 81 inches long with mattress length being 75 inches long http://www.labx.com/v2/adsearch/detail3.cfm?adnumb=407134

    Even if the real Michael is 5 feet 11 inches tall, that is only 72 inches. If he is 5 feet 9 inches tall, that is 60 inches. Look how long is torso is in comparison to the length of the gurney? I think they "shopped" Michael onto this gurney. This is why his legs look so small compared to his body . . . those are not his legs.

    Take a look. I'm posting this."

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  22. Hi Bonnie. About the photo. His arm, wrist and hand look very weird to me. Especially the wrist. If they gonna fake stuff, why can't they at least do a professional job. The paramedics said that MJ was wearing a surgery cap on his head. I wonder why? Kaiser Chase, what's wrong with her head. Get help, get security, get Prince. And she sending Prince up to the room to be traumatized. Then she went into the kitchen to prepare his lunch!! Is this for real? Or is it a sick joke? Susanne

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  23. Hi Bonnie. LaToyas explanation for not having an open casket was that MJs face got messed up when they were trying to save him. Does his face look messed up in the picture? Then Karin Fay, Michael Bush said that it took them nine hours to do MJ's hair, makeup and clothes. WHAT DID THEY DO WITH HIS HAIR FOR NINE HOURS? And what for? A closed casket? Or was it an empty casket? Susanne

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  24. BONNIE : "Nancy Grace and her FANTASIES of "Michael surrounded by his own..." (I can't even say it, but you know if you've heard her!)

    Honest, I didn't & I won't. Al these TV viragos are tiring & bring nothing..good.

    Michael on the gurney : Michael was dissected till the end with utmost indecency. But Gingerod & yours's relevant remarks make sense too. Only, set-up or real : it's horrendous ! Mrs. Katherine Jackson's expression while reaching the Courts was like she was returning to grab her son Michael a second time ! If that pic didn't give her the rest ?!

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  25. Hey Bonnie, I posted while you were at breakfast, between your responses so I understand how you missed it. My timing sucks!

    I would like your thoughts on this part:

    "I got really agitated watching Brazil's questioning, thinking 'God, what happened to our justice system?". Is she an intern or a 'seasoned' lawyer? I am seeing such a dumbed-down version of what America once was. Sometimes she doesn't even appear to know the meaning of her own questions. The repetition was excruciating. Geez, it's all on record the first time she asks...and the 2nd & 3rd. Then she missed obvious opportunities for clarification...as you have said."

    In general, could this also be something Michael is trying to bring to our attention since so many like me have been unaware of our court system? A lot of time is wasted on repetition at tax-payer expense - asking the very same question multiple times in succession, for example. I could understand if they came back and asked the same question later on to see if the story was consistent though.

    Very very interesting revelations about the Eureka seal and gurney photo!

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  26. Hi. Bonnie. First when you just cast an eye on the picture everything looks ok. But when you look closer you thinking, are they kidding. Maybe that's why it took so long for the trial to start. They weren't finished and pleased with the picture yet. To me it looks like MJ's head, Frank Di Leo's upper body/chest and I don't even see any legs. He must have gain some weight on the way home from rehearsal that night. Because his chest is much smaller in the rehearsal footage. I take it as an insult that they think we are all blind and have no brains at all. Susanne

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  27. Hi Bonnie. Now when everybody's pockets and bank accounts are full with money everybody starts to admit that MJ was loosing weight and wasn't well. Why don't they just spit on us and get it over with. And if he lost alot of weight in the last weeks of his life, then the earth song could not have been the last rehearsal that he did. He look much thinner in all the other rehearsal footage from the film. ITS ALL ABOUT GREED! ANYTHING FOR MONEY! ITS DISGUSTING! The fans filled up their pockets with money. What do the fans get in return. LIES A LOT OF LIES!!! They can't even spell the words truth and dignity. ( I hope they will burn. . . ( just kidding!)) Susanne

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  28. Hi again Bonnie. Kenny and Randy Philips sat infront of the camera saying, don't worry, MJ is in a great shape and we are having a blast. If they had told us the truth they would have taking the risk of fans returning their tickets and they would have lost a lot of money. MJ dies and people keep their tickets as a memory. Then the film, DVD. . . .Now Kenny is sitting in court as a witness and saying MJ was physically and mentally ill and he was soo worried about him. But he couldn't help MJ because Dr. Murray told him not to. What is your opinion about that? Susanne

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  29. Hi Bonnie. If Ortega was so worried about MJ, why didn't he tell the family about his concerns and worries about MJ's health? Because someone told him not to?Susanne

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  30. I said this above about the gurney:

    "Even if the real Michael is 5 feet 11 inches tall, that is only 72 inches. If he is 5 feet 9 inches tall, that is 60 inches. Look how long is torso is in comparison to the length of the gurney? I think they "shopped" Michael onto this gurney. This is why his legs look so small compared to his body . . . those are not his legs.:"

    5 feet 9 inches is 69 inches, not 60 inches. Sorry.
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    Susanne said - "Then she went into the kitchen to prepare his lunch!! Is this for real? Or is it a sick joke?"

    ............ You know, it could very well be a lesson in critical thinking . . . something they don't teach in school anymore. See how many people can be bullied into accepting what the media hands you compared to who is willing to look for the truth. You know what is scary? Michael Jackson is not the only news item the media has lied to us about.
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    Susanne said - "WHAT DID THEY DO WITH HIS HAIR FOR NINE HOURS? And what for? A closed casket? Or was it an empty casket? "

    ......... This is what we were debating last year and earlier this year. I get what's going on (I think) in the building on this a little at a time.

    If God gives us all the answers, we don't learn anything and have no opportunity to reap the rewards of faith. We also have less tendency to believe what we are told unless we get the information in pieces, finding some of that information ourselves.

    What is going on has more than one purpose I believe. Exposing the lies while revealing the truth, and as many as has been told? If someone were to write a screenplay like this with the purpose of involving the audience, I don't think they could have done a better job than this. What a way to engage people to finally take action to make the world a better place?

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  31. LIne said - "Only, set-up or real : it's horrendous ! Mrs. Katherine Jackson's expression while reaching the Courts was like she was returning to grab her son Michael a second time !"

    .......... It IS horrendous. I'm having a lot of trouble with the sensationalized information and to be honest with you, I really don't like the drama surrounding one person. I wonder if even he cringes at the way the media is handling this (if still here and watching all this, wherever he is). How many times can someone roll their eyes before they get dizzy?
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    Truth said - "A lot of time is wasted on repetition at tax-payer expense - asking the very same question multiple times in succession, for example. I could understand if they came back and asked the same question later on to see if the story was consistent though."


    ........... Awww, I feel horrible! I missed your whole post! How do I feel about what Michael is showing us about the court system? Well, I can see that. Maybe a mirror of how things were handled during the 2005 case and this is his way of revealing it?

    Also the 'repetition' in questioning mirrors exactly what the press and the media do with lies until people accept it as truth. They do the same thing in the court room to cement in the minds of the jurors the information that may or may not be true.

    The object of a trial is not to find the truth, it is for one side or the other to win an argument.

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  32. Susanne said - "ITS ALL ABOUT GREED! ANYTHING FOR MONEY! ITS DISGUSTING! The fans filled up their pockets with money. What do the fans get in return. LIES A LOT OF LIES!!! "

    ....... Don't get too upset yet. These people are not the ones in control. What we will get in return is the truth. That's why we have to keep the faith and let this play out.

    Kenny Ortega did not say Michael was physically or mentally Ill. That's what they want us to believe. What he said was that he was sick THAT DAY he sent him home. Not the day after. That email Ortega sent did not name the artist he was worried about. He also never said Michael was sickly thin. Only that he did not look well and was shaking - but he said "artist" in the email.

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  33. Hello Bonnie,
    I have been reading your blog for awhile now. This is a wonderful blog and you have been doing such great research for and about Michael. My Husband and I love Micheal Jackson and have been doing our own research of him for over a year now. I do not usually leave comments on the blogs I read but I do read everything I can find concerning justice for our dear Michael. My husband and I have learned so many things when researching Michael. A wealth of knowledge is out there to find when one follows the heart of Michael Jackson.
    I am leaving this comment today because of something I watched on television last night and was wanting to get your opinion on this. Last night my Husband and I were watching an interveiw with Jermaine Jackson on HLN. Jermaine was talking about Michael and he slipped up his words. He said, " I know Michael is well protected and is We know where he is. He said, " We know where he is" twice. My Husband and I could clearly see Jermaines expressions and how he stumbled up his words.
    My Husband and I are so confused now. At first we thought Michael may be alive and then with this court trial going on we were accepting that Michael passed away but now.. we seen Jermaine on television in the middle of the night saying He that Michael is well protected and he used the word WE .. we know where he is.
    Where ever Michael is I pray he is in peace. He is a beautiful soul and spirit that this world does not deserve. I will always love him and what he stands for. May he get justice and get it now.
    Love from Bobby and Sheri.

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  34. @BONNIE on Michael on the gurney : It looks like Michael's face but not his own body. I am among the ones who hardly believe Michel is alive but still give it a little chance : with Michael we never know. But the pic makes that, "Michael alive" believers or not, we are all left disturbed. To cut any speculation : the Jackson family. Can they help the world fans to sort this out ? Because now the pic is out, we all better know to make peace. The Justice should know that the people have enough to be driven like sheep.

    The Prosecution intended to create on Day 1 a shock. Was the Jackson family, especially Mrs. Katherine Jackson, warned in advance on this pic presentation ? or did the Jacksons give their prior agreement ? if not, very brutal.

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  35. BONNIE said : "
    The object of a trial is not to find the truth, it is for one side or the other to win an argument."

    :o( Alas. But let's keep the faith. What else ?

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  36. Hi Bonnie –What I am convoluted-ly saying is that I agree with you! I had a total turn-around when I saw the photo. When I say I am conflicted about the Michael Joe, I had never separated the man from the brand before, choosing to believe that Michael Jackson had died and most likely was murdered. I am doing a huge 180 degree mind-shift. I think that we have known and adored the brand; the superstar whose name is promoted as Michael Joseph. And, unless someone is family or personal friend we truly do not know the real man behind the brand, the one whose name on documents of record is Michael Joe The public/fans know of his spirituality, his humanitarian and kind heart, and how he reveals and communicates so much of his soul through his music and lyrics. But our knowledge generally is filtered through the perception of the superstar. It triggered such an "ah-ha" for me when I saw that "off" photo. And just to clarify, I do not believe nor am saying/implying there are 2 separate individuals. I did read Jermaine’s book. He is quite clear that the man, the person behind the brand, is Michael Joe. I am (almost) convinced we are witnessing the demise of the brand, not of the man behind the brand. At least for now, and for me, to see and absorb this situation from this perspective is making a lot of sense out of all the nonsensical. I just tend to be "windy" in my explanations, so I thank you for having the patience to wade through it. Again, God Bless you and keep the faith.

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  37. With the gurney picture... he is propped up. The upper part of his body is higher than the lower part. That is why it looks a bit distorted.
    Also... people are saying the California seal in the court is wrong. It has 32 stars and not 31.

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  38. Bobby and Sherri said - "Last night my Husband and I were watching an interveiw with Jermaine Jackson on HLN. Jermaine was talking about Michael and he slipped up his words. He said, " I know Michael is well protected and is We know where he is. He said, " We know where he is" twice. My Husband and I could clearly see Jermaines expressions and how he stumbled up his words."

    .......... Someone else told me about this last night. I very rarely watch T.V. unless I know ahead of time that something pertinent is going on. Back in 2009 Jermaine gave an interview to Larry King and he said very much the same thing, that he was "in a safe place" and people were talking about it in the Hoax forums, then it died down as things progressed.

    That prayer I said back in August of 2009 in bed that night was me asking God angrily "Why didn't you protect him!" And I immediately got an answer. Whoever got the idea that God was some untouchable, abstract idea that couldn't possibly feel any empathy is dead wrong. That night, that whole day leading up to that night told me who God is and THAT is love in the most pure form anyone can imagine.

    For someone like me to get an answer like that, in that way? It answers every question you ever had about God . . . He knows us as individuals, he knows who we are and he knows exactly why he put us together the way he did.

    I remember Michael's line in the song "You Are My Life" . . . the line that goes, "Love is the answer to all that I am . . ."

    That night, God told me the same thing. He answered every question I asked him during that prayer with one kiss on the cheek.

    I don't know exactly how everything is going to happen, but I know why it's happening. I just want people to understand what Michael was trying to tell us, and that what he was trying to tell us is the reason they tried to stop him.

    It is very hard to oppress people when they know they have hope, that they are loved and that they are empowered with a specific purpose.

    So I'm crying again thinking about that and I have to go now and fix up before I can answer the other comments . . . Everyone, say "Thank you Bobby and Sheri" . . . (thank you Bobby and Sheri . . .) :o) ♥♥♥

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  39. Hello Bonnie,
    This is Sheri's Husband Bobby,
    We both thank you for re-posting what my wife Sheri recently posted to you. We're Real Truthers looking for answers and reasons. As we've been doing a lot of follow ups on Michael Jackson.
    We had just Turned on the television and flipping through the channels when we came about the recent proceedings listed above. Took us by a real shocker listening to Piers Morgan & Jermaine Jackson on HLN channel here. Then that just jotted another memory of Jermaine Speaking out in an interview Just after Michael Jackson had died( or did he..?) and said, " We Know where he is in a safe place" after commenting on a subject of "proceedings of incidents at the airport" and then Jermaine immediately changed the subject.
    There is too much leakage going on within the Murray's trial atm as well. 'bout who was really there at Michael's place at the time of the incident. Then with recent updates finding out that somehow the security tapes had been erased b4 the investigators showed up.. Who is behind that. We're still trying to find out more details 'bout this now.
    So my wife and i are searching for more leakage upon anyone who has crucified Michael mentally/physically so justice may prevail and he, his family, friends & fans can be free of such stress. Justice for Michael is what we stand for and Justice shall be the Light of Love through-all.
    Thanks again, Hugs from, Bobby and Sheri :-) <3
    P.S. Keep up the excellent Blogging as you're doing and somewhere someday all will be out the more that all can come to better understandings that Michael and his gift of Music was a gift to us all to help us all see and understand.. <3

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  40. LIne said - "The Prosecution intended to create on Day 1 a shock. Was the Jackson family, especially Mrs. Katherine Jackson, warned in advance on this pic presentation ? or did the Jacksons give their prior agreement ? if not, very brutal."

    ......... I agree, very brutal regardless if the family knew in advance. The fans certainly didn't know. Most of us were agast, then after we calmed down we're like, "wait a minute...."

    I believe the Jackson's are in their own way, trying to help us sort things out, but they are doing it the way the need to. We don't know what party knows how much of whatever it was that was done, so some of this may very well be discovery on their part as well. Remember that Michael was kept from his family for a long time and some of the information was new even to them. That's why I think it is important for the fans too, to give the Jackson's a point of view as far as what we have seen and noticed. The Jackson's probably aren't aware that Erin Jacobs "Justice4MJ" group was on Blog-talk radio singing Sony's praises or that the stalker girls were being directed by Karen Faye or causing dissension in the fan base, they can't watch everything. Some of the behavior out there may also be by design to fool the deceivers into thinking they have the upper hand. You never know.

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  41. Gingerod said - "What I am convoluted-ly saying is that I agree with you! I had a total turn-around when I saw the photo. When I say I am conflicted about the Michael Joe, I had never separated the man from the brand before, choosing to believe that Michael Jackson had died and most likely was murdered. I am doing a huge 180 degree mind-shift. "

    ...... I got what you were saying once I got further down on your post. I just wanted to make sure I addressed everything, so I answered in pieces. 180 degree mind-shift is a very good explanation. Probably why I have so many headaches . . . that kind of makes you dizzy!

    I remember while back and I don't know which blog topic it was, but I believe it was before the turn of 2011, I said that "Michael the King of Pop" died, but not Michael the man". I think it was one of the "Who Killed the King of Pop?" series. It was when I first started getting into the conspiracy (and my opinion on that has not changed). I still have more of Jermaine's book to go through, but I have it littered with sticky note book marks now. My husband said, "Now his book has 'Bible Salad' in it", LOL! (My Bible looks like it has lettuce coming out of it with all the book mark sticky notes).
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    Monika said - "Also... people are saying the California seal in the court is wrong. It has 32 stars and not 31. "

    ........ Yep, I posted further up that one of my readers emailed me that info and it was something I missed right off the bat.

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  42. Hi Bonnie. I read that the estate hope that justice will be done. ??? What do you think about that? Susanne

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  43. Hi Bonnie. In the Piers Morgan show Jermaine said: - What I saw was not my brother. He must have been in a bad shape for Jermaine to say that or what is your thoughts about that? The other day I thought MJ was alive. Today I think he is dead again. I wonder who Dr.Murray called in the ambulans saying: - It's about Michael. It doesn't look good. The Paramedics said that he was already dead when they got there. They were trying to bring him to life for over 40 min before they put him in the ambulans. And Dr.Murray then called somebody and said it didnt look good!!?? Fans outside the house have claimed and wondering why the ambulants didn't put the sirens on if it was an emergency? Maybe they didn't because he was already dead. Why drive like a maniac with sirens on to the hospital if the patient is dead? Susanne

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  44. Hi Bonnie. Maybe you will think I am nuts. On MJ's first anniversary they were airing a couple of documentaries about MJ. In one of them this Majestic Guy said that Joe got a call. Joe said they are taking MJ to the hospital. It doesn't look good. Joe said on Larry King that Dr.Murray fell asleep or something. Dr.Murray is a fall guy. How does he know that Info. Was it Joe that Dr.Murray called in the ambulance saying, It doesn't look good. What if someone put something in Dr.Murray's glass or in his food. Dr.Murray falls asleep. Someone gives MJ an overdose of propofol when MJ is sleeping. Then Dr.Murray wakes up and MJ is dead. Dr.Murray Panics and realize that someone set him up. And then the tapes disappears. Maybe i have been watching too many movies. I don't know. Susanne

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  45. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob5sbMmzcfQ
    check this out. someone did some digging about the gurney
    Mjsmessengers

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  46. Bonnie, the more I look at that "death" photo, the more I'm inclined to think "photoshop". I just have one question, no two actually. Is that a tube in his mouth? I see the outline of a short tube there. Also, why on God's earth is he propped up? Medical personnel DO NOT work on patients in a propped up position. They are laid flat. If this was taken after he had been worked on, why was his dead body then propped up? It makes no sense whatsoever. I'm inclined to think his head was photoshopped onto someone else's body. A decidedly "younger than 2009" head/face at that.

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  47. Wow Bonnie! this really is some video...it may be like I emailed you. that photo Michael looks so alive...I think it really could be from years ago , one of the times he had a surgery and somebody took a picture with a cell phone...THIS really makes things get very very very strange now.......that video seems reliable..very well done. I love it.....he looks so young too....that's my guess...

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  48. Hi Bonnie. Where are you? I guess I will have to buy that book too. Susanne

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  49. Hi Bonnie. Another theory. Jermaine said: - What I saw was not my brother. The paramedic said: He looked like he had a cronical disease. He was underweight. I could see his ribs. What if MJ was in such a bad shape that they just couldn't show the real picture. They faked a picture were MJ look ok to protect him and his dignity. Just a theory. Susanne

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  50. Susanne said - "Hi Bonnie. I read that the estate hope that justice will be done. ??? What do you think about that?"

    ........ I hope the estate knows what it is asking for . . . As for the Piers Morgan/Jermaine interview, there could be another reason why Jermaine said "What I saw was not my brother..." because it wasn't.

    Joe could have been the one Dr. Murray was talking to . . . good catch! Majestic - I don't think he's a family friend.

    Lots of people don't believe that picture of Mike on the gurney is real. I don't think Michael looked bad on June 25th. It's really starting to look like Michael and Micheal are two different people. Lots of things are wrong, like the birth date listed on the paramedic's report and the spelling of Michael's first name with the "a" and "e" switched. These are really horrendous mistakes and lots of people are catching them. I have a list going right now and if things keep going at this pace I am going to run out of hard drive space before the trial is over.

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  51. mjsmessengers said - "check this out. someone did some digging about the gurney"


    You know what I found even more interesting? As far back as the Kennedy assasination they were faking pictures. The woman in the video about that talks about the shadows under the nose of Oswald compared to the shadow cast on the ground by the person in the original photograph.

    This is the same type of evidence I cited when I charged the pictures taken with Michael were fake posted by DeGosson and her fan stalker friends.

    Tomorrow should be interesting - cross exam of Dr. Cooper.

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  52. Deb Said - "I'm inclined to think his head was photoshopped onto someone else's body. A decidedly "younger than 2009" head/face at that. "

    ......... Congrats! You're not the only one that thinks that :o) See video that MJSmessengers posted above. Like I said earlier I started a list. Will post that when I clean it up.
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    Islandisle said - "I love it.....he looks so young too....that's my guess... "

    ........ You may have been the one to send that to me. I keep forgetting who you are in email, LOL! Yeah, the men always age better than us. Sickening isn't it?

    I read the part of Jermaine's book where he talks about Michael's adherence to the Bible when it came to relationships. I kind of already got that idea between his songs, speeches and quotes, but it's nice to see it verified by family. I wrote THIS in July of 2010 - http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2010/07/michaels-perfect-soul-mate.html

    You wouldn't believe how many people got mad at me for writing that! What in the world is wrong with a man being a gentleman? I don't get it?

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  53. All tthe above is very interesting and my lovely wife Sheri and i have been doing some more diffing up on about MJ and all and this Gurney pic is totally fake we believe as well. What paramedic or doc will usher a (supposedly dead) person in the upright position and why would they even insert an reciprocation unit onto a dead persons body....? Also the Gurney/stretcher MJ(supposedly him) was on is an old "RENAISSANCE SERIES" that UCLA has gotten rid of long ago and using Prime Stryker series now as found out in recent studies.

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  54. Don't feel horrible Bonnie, it's ok.

    "If someone were to write a screenplay like this with the purpose of involving the audience, I don't think they could have done a better job than this. What a way to engage people to finally take action to make the world a better place?"

    Yay!

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  55. Bobby and Sheri said - "All tthe above is very interesting and my lovely wife Sheri and i have been doing some more diffing up on about MJ and all and this Gurney pic is totally fake we believe as well. "

    .......... There is even more as I go through Jermaine's book. Got to the section about the taped phone conversation between Chandler and Schwartz during the 1993 allegations. It reminded me of something. He also mentions Victor meeting Robeson on Venice Beach prior to those allegations, which leads me to believe that the whole Chandler affair was a set up but with a different intention in mind then what happened in 2003.

    Keep the Faith . . . right?
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    Thanks Truthbtold . . . Trial day today. Gotta get my typing fingers on. (and ears on)

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  56. BONNIE said : "Remember that Michael was kept from his family for a long timei.."

    In this instance, nothing we ignore, but did you already read what David Williams,ex-guitarist to Michael, says about the past enablers, above all a certain past "Nanny" & Security guards. Or was the last Nanny also an enabler ?

    http://newsblaze.com/story/20111002112510ente.nb/topstory.html

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  57. @ BonnieL.. Keep the faith and nothing but high standards on the truth of what MJ's served a purpose for. Justice for Michael!

    @ Truthbtold... we totally agree with you. ^^^Hands Up with Justice for Michael ^^^.
    Also in a statement we found bout screenplay/prop setup/acting. There is this Chief Coroner called Craig Harvey who specifically works for the movie industries for such stated. For example: Hew would make sure that the clientele's being used were properly fitted for any injured or death scene in a movie prop.. So a real good fixer-upper like the staged funeral ceremony they had for MJ. Do you think it is a bit strange to receive and invitation to the funeral ceremony stating that on ur Tickets " Congratulations You are Invited to MJ's Funeral Ceremony" and within this, they called it a "SHOW". LOL what a gimme of info we say.

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  58. It's me Bonnie...Cathy from emails.....I'm Islandsisle here and the on twitter I'm LaughingPelican

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  59. Line said - "but did you already read what David Williams,ex-guitarist to Michael, says about the past enablers, above all a certain past "Nanny" & Security guards. Or was the last Nanny also an enabler ?"

    I suspect Nanny Grace yes. Most of those around him at that time. See, Michael was not a drug addict. Jermaine was right about that. But I fully believe that THEY drugged him to try and keep him under control.. Just look at his eyes in thos Geller pictures!
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    Bobby and Sheri said - "There is this Chief Coroner called Craig Harvey who specifically works for the movie industries for such stated. For example: Hew would make sure that the clientele's being used were properly fitted for any injured or death scene in a movie prop.. So a real good fixer-upper like the staged funeral ceremony they had for MJ. "

    ....... Have you seen the videos on Youtube pointing out the set backgrounds used for the "funeral"?
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    @Cathy/Islandsisle/LaughingPelican - You just have all kinds of exotic names don't you? I'm jealous! I'm just plain ole Bonnie Cox! LOL!

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