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Wednesday, September 28, 2011

Murder Trial of Michael Jackson Day 1

Conrad Murray Trial Murder of Michael Jackson 
Opening Arguments



1 Peter 1:7
That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:


From the Prosecution – David Walgren

Murray cardiologist not board certified
Met Michael in 2006 saw him periodically between 2006 and 2009

Put life in hands
Misplaced trust

Powerpoint presentation with background of Michael on gurney????


Pre TMZ Cleanup



Post TMZ Cleanup



I fail to see how this would have even been allowed in a presentation of an opening argument.  Never saw anything like that before.  Miss Katherine couldn’t attend/view her son during his funeral yet she has to look at that picture with the WRONG SPELLING of Michael’s name in the foreground?

MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON
1958 – 2009


Jermaine Jackson’s book, “You Are Not Alone” early in the first couple of chapters, then again on page 334 when he talked about Michael’s wedding to Lisa Marie in the Dominican Republic – “The fewer people who knew about it, the less chance there was of the press finding out.  Had Mother been there, she might have reminded the officiating minister that her son’s name was not “Michael Joseph Jackson”, as was said in the vows, much to Michael’s amusement.

So after seeing that on the screen, I truly wanted to turn off the T.V. (I switched to OTRC online live feed later), but I didn’t.  I wanted to see what else I could catch.

Other pictures that were shown were pictures of:

Center staging
The Forum
Staples for last couple of days of rehearsals to “replicate the show”

Discussion during Walgren’s opening argument was

- Michael requested Murray

- Murray demanded 5 Million which was rejected
- Murray was offered $150k a month
- Contract was drafted for:

- general care
- general emergency care
- reasonably required services

Murray would receive:

- $150K a month
- Air Fare to London
- Housing

Contract never signed by parties.  Murray signed on 6/24 – (and left on bed according to press, on the 25th)

Murray sent email telling patients at clinic and clients to find another doctor he had lifetime opportunity.  Told them he would be “leaving medicine indefinitely”.

Properties of Propofol discussed:

- is used for general anesthesia agent, hypnotic used for sedation not sleep agent
- used in Hospital w/ proper monitoring equipment
- quick sedation
-rapid recovery
- minimal nausea

Unfavorable properties:

 - Cardiovascular depression
- narrow window between light and deep sedation that would require life monitoring equipment

- loss of ability to maintain breathing/airway which could lead to death.
- need continuous monitoring
- risk of apnea

2 vial sizes 100 ml and 20 ml. and that 100 ml = 1,000 mg
20 ml = 200 mg

Murray lied to “Applied Pharmacy” in Las Vegas about his “clinic” in L.A.  had Propofol sent to apartment of girlfriend “Nicole Alverez”.

On April 6, 2009 Murray ordered 10, 100 ML’s of Propofol and 25, 20 ml of Propofol for a  total of 15,000 mgs of Propofol.

(unfortunately the defense and the media –aka, HLN is trying to convince us that Murray didn’t start working as Michael’s doctor until that May 10th morning he made the recording.  However, he was ordering Propofol by the boxloads as early as April 6, 2009).

On 4/28, another order of 40 x 100 ml bottles and 25 x 20 ml’s for a total of 45,000 mmg.  Also ordered 10x Lorazipam and 20x Midlazapam.

On May 10th at 9:05 a (day/time stamp) recording Murray made on his I-Phone.  This was presented by the Walgren which surprised me.  This could easily (and would be) used against them.  The recording itself sounds to me like somebody messing with a vocal recording in a studio, because the tone sounds different than Michael.  In this court recording, Michael is slurring words, but why add the words “go..go” then another sentence and then “go”.  It sounds like he’s giving direction for a taping or filming.

His thoughts are very much complete, he just appears to be slurring badly and the “go . . . go” and another sentence before adding another “go” is odd.

Murray’s Recording?


We’ve heard a phone recording of Michael (supposedly under influence) speaking to Dieter Wiesner and it does not sound the same.


Michael’s (worn out) call to Wiesner

Even this tape, the end does not sound like Michael, it changes.  Recordings can’t even be believed.  I hesitate to believe that recording presented in court.  Judging by observed reactions of the Jackson’s in court when that recording was presented, they didn’t even know this existed and it was THEIR SIDE that presented it.  It may not have been him.  The Michaelized voice (what else do I call it) mentions his desire to use the money for a children’s hospital.

Prosecution states that Murray recorded this phone conversation (fails to say why he would do such a thing) and goes on to say that two days after recording that Murray orders another box of 40 x 100ml’s of Propofol and another box of 25 x 20ml’s of the same.

On June 10th (my b.day, some present) another box of 40 x 100ml’s and this time 50 x 20ml’s of Propofol equaling 50,000 mmg’s.

On June 16th Murray ordered 10 ml’s of Lorazapam and 20 of Midlozapam.

The total of Propofol they surmised came to 4.9 gallons of Propofol.  Walgren stated between April 6 and June 25, that would come to 1,937.5 milligrams a day.

Prosecution describes the events of June 19th where Michael came to the Staples not feeling well (according to Ortega), had chills, was rambling and was shaking.  Kenny sent him home.

During the meeting on the next day that we’ve all heard encompassed Ortega, Phillips, Murray and Michael, the doctor was described (by Ortega) as telling Ortega that “I’m the doctor, not you” and “you direct the show . . .

I thought the wording of that was something to pay attention to.  Was Murray complaining or was Murray arguing over a script?  That is the impression Walgren’s description gave me.

Walgren described that on June 20th, 21st and 22nd, Michael was not at rehearsals, but on June 23rd, Kenny described rehearsals went well.  Michael was described as engaged, rehearsals went perfectly. The 24th Michael was described as “energized” and “excited” about the “Illusion” that was going to happen the next day.

(The “illusion” was mentioned before in witness questioning last year by Kenny Ortega and for some reason has been completely ignored except by the “hoax” people.)

The evening of the 24th Michael is described as excited about the illusion.  He arrived home close to 1:00am and security outside the home was “debriefed”.  Other details were that Michael “died” in a room other than his own bedroom, where the Propofol was administered were vocalized by Walgren.

(as I am writing this Karmen someone posted this:  “KarmenJackson Karmen Legazpi - There you go. Confirmation from Anthony McCartney: the pic of Michael in a gurney is real).

Other points I took from Walgren before Micheline called me (twice, LOL) was:

Medical bags, bottles of Propofol and syringes left in the room, on night stands and on the floor even with testimony previously that Murray had the body guard “clean up” the “evidence” of the bottles.

Now, There is more notes I have, but I am cradling such a headache right now, I cannot go on and will have to continue this tomorrow. 

The defense tried to pin Michael’s death on Michael in his opening statements, Chernoff said that Michael took six Lorazapam tablets and washed it down with Propofol (ridiculous, I was laughing) and that Michael died rapidly, too quickly to even close his eyes.  (Then how did he get back to the bed after fishing the room for drugs in the whole two minutes Murray was gone???)

I have notes on Kenny Ortega, the cross examination, and Paul Gongaware.  I noticed that Gongaware also left a lot of open ended and vague statements that could be interpreted by Hoaxers (okay, label me if you want to, but common sense tells me things aren’t making sense), to a possibility that Michael’s “problems” originated from something other than medications.

Chernoff played on comments like “Michael had big plans”, and “you will hear who Murray REALLY is”.  In all honesty Chernoff’s comments were making me smile.  I took more notes during his opening statements then I did during Walgren’s and I will bullet these tomorrow, but my head is killing me tonight and it will not allow me to finish.  Maybe I just took too many notes.  (Michael, are you a speed writer?  How’d you do all that writing???  Jermaine?  Did he take shorthand?)

I liked Chernoff’s description of Michael’s compartmentalized relationships.  I had mentioned this in a blog last year, describing Michael’s “shell game” with the managers to prevent a paper trail from one employee to the next.  Smart.  But when Chernoff said the word “spokes” like in a wheel, I immediately thought of the Biblical reference to the Cherubim and the wheels that lifted them up.  All spokes lead to Michael but are not directly connected to each other . . . again, very smart.  Paints a picture.  If I didn't know any better, I would say we are in the Michael Jackson School of Visualization.

I will summarize that Kenny said something in his testimony that I caught and wrote down.  Kenny answered questions about the nature and length of his professional relationship with Michael, his own career history and made it a point to mention again working with “illusions”. 

Kenny was then questioned about Michael’s condition on June 19, 2009.  Kenny testified to Michael not being well, having chills, rambling and shivering.  Kenny mentioned being very concerned and writing an email to Randy Phillips before leaving the Staples in the wee hours of June 20th.

HLN had the audacity to go to commercial break as Kenny was beginning to read his email to court.  After exclaiming out loud, I went to “On the Red Carpet” live feed and turned off the stupid t.v.

Thanks for Posting, TMZ

In this email, Kenny reads this email but he doesn’t mention Michael by name he says “the artist” may not be able to rise to the occasion.  Ortega says this again, when he reads “I was told by our choreographer that during the Artist's costume fittings with his Designer . . .”  Remember this.

Ortega was questioned about Michael’s condition when everyone returned to rehearsals after a break on the 23rd of June. 

Ortega says on June 23, barely 4 days after Michael was sick, he came to rehearsals full of energy. Ortega said "it was a different Michael." Source

On the Cross examination, Ortega was asked about concerns of Michael missing rehearsals to which he replied he was and had talked to both Phillips and Gongaware about it.

Weird point here was the questioning  from Chernoff about Michael’s involvement and control of every aspect of the show (showing what?  That he wasn’t a victim?) but the wording is what got to me.  I thought this odd coming from defense.  Chernoff specifically used wording “was he the boss?” and “was Michael in control?”

If you are trying to portray a drug-addicted, sickly and dependent man, why  portray him as being “in control” of the show and being “the boss” involved in every aspect of the show?  It is kind of like taking the screws out of the supports for your bleachers.

Before I got pulled away (because first and foremost I am a housewife and hubby was hungry) to make dinner, I looked over the felt boards showing the schedules for the concerts at the O2.   Considering the “unreal” schedule that was sold to us by Faye, her “coven” of vampire biker chicks and TINI vultures, I was surprised to find the following:

(I missed July because Micheline called again, LOL!)

August:  only 10 shows in the month and (9?) rehearsal days
September: 9 shows, no rehearsals
October through December: no shows or rehearsals because O2 was booked for other acts.

January: 10 shows, 3 rehearsals
February: 10 shows, no rehearsals
March: 3 shows, no rehearsals

If any other months were covered I missed the rest running to attend to dinner and back again to the T.V.


The court adjourned until tomorrow morning 11:45 am EST / 8:45 am PST.

I had turned HLN back on the t.v. and caught interviews with both Oxman (who still claims to be Joe Jackson’s attorney),  then Raymone Bain, then Erin Jacobs and some girl named Robin.

I was surprised Raymone Bain agreed with my assessment that the recording of Michael’s voice may not have been Michael’s.  I did not agree with Bain’s assertion that Michael was kept away from her (we had been told she was fired, and she sued Michael unsuccessfully), but I agreed with her other statements.

Jacobs and Robin I didn’t listen to much because it was dinner time, but I caught enough of it to hear that they both thought Bain was wrong and that the voice on the recorder was Michael’s voice.  This is coming from a woman who on Catherine Gross’s blogtalk radio show, shilling for Sony and the Michael album, asking the listeners “I don’t understand what Sony did that was wrong ?”, so we know how she got her ticket into the trial.  Say high to Dimond and Grace for us, Ms. Troll.

That’s it for tonight.  Got some more songs for you tomorrow.

Biggest take-away from this trial today? 

Affirmation that Michael Joseph Jackson and Michael JOE Jackson are not the same person.  At least, not according to Jermaine’s book.

Biggest shocker?

That picture of Michael on the gurney looks like a younger Michael.  Either that or they did his eyebrows for a photo-op, but it really is not a clear picture.

This trial I am beginning to believe, is going to reveal a lot more than just Murray’s role . . . in that I completely agree with Latoya.

God Bless and please, PLEASE have patience and stick with family.

Keep the Faith!
Because it is a trial, and what if the sword contemn even the rod? it shall be no more, saith the Lord GOD.



43 comments:

  1. Jermaine's post on Twitter:

    Today has been very distressing for all of us, and I'd like to thank you for your prayers at this horrible time. I would also like to remind some in the media that the voice recording of Michael does not show/prove he was "an addict" -- and this leap to agree with the defense is unfair and inaccurate. The prosecution said my brother "was under the influence of UNKNOWN agents" at the time of that recording by Murray. That some people, Jane Valez Mitchell HLN and Ted Rwlands CNN, make statements saying this shows my brother to be "a drug addict" is not what was said in court re that recording. Events are upsetting enough without correspondents adding their own interpretation (or back-dating events to 1993). No-one can rule out the prospect that Michael was groggy because of something administered to make him relax/sleep. That does noke him an addict. I would also add that Murray was by his side "observing" as well as recording so it can have nothing to do with drug depdency because Murras case is that he was unaware of any drug dependency. One more reason why "addict" is a leap to assumption in these circumstances. Some networks need to make this distinction clear and correct this imbalance. Bottom line: Michael did not kill Michael. http://tl.gd/dbc67m

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  2. @BONNIE : Many thanks for your Trial Day 1 summary. Please take care of yourself & Hubby !

    "Michael on Gurney" broke my heart too : I think of the Jacksons, Miss Katherine & MJ3 in particular. The pic circulated all over the world (in my country papers too this morning). Real or fake, even for a Justice's purpose, it is HARD. With the coming Tribute, Miss Katherine added a lot of burden on herself ! Hope she & MJ3 get back safe & sound (the show is on a week-end).

    Being now in C. Murray's shoes is painful but Michael was the VICTIM so I support Michael. Some 10 days after 06.25.2009, Michael would have been freed from Sony & made a huge comeback min. till 2011. Murray's recording : Not Michael's voice even under sedatives, I think either.

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  3. Hi Bonnie. I said I wouldn't make any more comments. But i have to comment on this. I have a video where MJ is saying and spelling his name. He says that his name is Michael Joseph Jackson. MJ is also slurring in his voicemails to Dieter. So whatever MJ was taking it has been going on for many years. The man that should be on trial is Joe Jackson. He messed MJ up from the beginning. There is a reason for Joe not being named in MJ'S will. I know that you don't agree with me. Just look at him. He looks like a pimp. I hope Joe Jackson Burns in hell the day he dies for what he did to MJ. Susanne

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  4. Bonnie,
    I'm glad to hear that Kenny showed concern for Michael in the email, because up until now, it didn't look like anyone was. Just as Kenny says in the email - who was taking care of Michael? I could not comprehend, if Michael was being given propofol and other things daily, he must have been displaying side effects, and people at the rehearsal and Murray have never admitted seeing any, until now. Only TINI mentioned the day he was incoherent.
    I really don't know what to think now, and I'm fearing the worst.

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  5. Hi Bonnie. When you got lupus it will affect your kidneys and liver and other organs too. MJ had lupus for many years. Latoya said on the View that propofol leavs your body immediately. But because MJ had kidney and liver problems the propofol remained in his body. That means that there is something wrong with the autopsy report then. Maybe that's why Dr.Murray didn't mentioned the propofol in the beginning because he thought it would have left his body so it wouldn't show up in the tests. Kenny Ortega said he emailed Randy Phillips and said to him that MJ needs help he is not well. What did Randy Phillips do with that information from Ortega? The tapes are gone. That can't be an accident. The police are not clumpsy like that right? Oops, we erased the tape! If Dr.Murray is a scapegoat I feel sorry for him being called a murderer. I am sure the picture of MJ has been photoshopped. Susanne

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  6. Line said - "Real or fake, even for a Justice's purpose, it is HARD. With the coming Tribute, Miss Katherine added a lot of burden on herself ! Hope she & MJ3 get back safe & sound (the show is on a week-end)."

    ........ I agree with this (photo - hard). I kissed his forehead - don't care what anyone thinks. Good point on Sony (Latoya said follow the money . . . they all said that last year. Just spoke to Mich on the phone. She seems to think the voice on the recorder sounds like Klein's voice under the influence.
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    Susanne said - "I have a video where MJ is saying and spelling his name. He says that his name is Michael Joseph Jackson."

    Show me the video and I'm going by what JERMAINE said in his book and what the Judge at the 2005 TRIAL SAID when he called to order the PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CA. VS MICHAEL JOE JACKSON. Birth certificate says Joe. Michael deliberate putting confusion out there does not surprise me.

    The voicemails to Dieter do NOT SOUND THE SAME. I have it posted above . . . LISTEN TO IT.

    Listen to the voice of Klein on Larry King Interview where he appears to be under the influence . . . SOUNDS THE SAME.

    JOE JACKSON IS NOT ON TRIAL. If you are going to adhere to PRESS vs FAMILY on Joe Jackson then please refrain from posting here. This blog is for Michael. Another Diane Dimond I do not need. We've been over this. Thank you.
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  7. SUSANNE said - "There is a reason for Joe not being named in MJ'S will."

    .... Susanne, who presented this will? Who has control of it? BRANCA. Thank you.

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  8. BONNIE said : " I kissed his forehead - don't care what anyone thinks."

    I too on his cheek ! We were millions to do it ! Micheline may be right : It is important but who is now to communicate this to the Justice ?

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  9. PrincessGlam said - "I'm glad to hear that Kenny showed concern for Michael in the email, because up until now, it didn't look like anyone was. Just as Kenny says in the email - who was taking care of Michael?"

    ........ My concern is he does not name Michael in the email . . . do you know how many "artists" were working for this show? We have doubles, we have dancers, backup singers, musicians etc....

    TINI'S testimony (which will not be in court) is for one day. They made it sound like it was every day. I will rely on testimony in court on that.
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    @Susanne - Autopsy report says healthy kidney and liver. Where are you getting your info that he had kidney problems?

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  10. From Amir Williams's tel. recorder : C. Murray NEVER called the 911 until the last min. of Michael's life !

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  11. @Line - Murray never called 911 period. He had Alvarez call. All Murray's voicemail to Williams said was "call me back right away." We didn't hear any other voicemail from Murray to Williams.

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  12. Mimi wanted to post but had problems for some reason so I am posting for her. She sent this to me via email:

    Bonnie – here is what I want to post:



    Bonnie – you are right on that recording the sentence is complete except slurring. The slurring part can be done by slowing the tape, and I think that’s what happed, the tape is slowed.



    You are right again, Kenny also said he has never saw Michael in that state and situation except that day, so Michael was rehearsing perfectly with no problem until that day.



    My question is do the prosecutors have more other surprise evidences just like they did of the recording? Will we hear anything what the family are talking and all of us talking about there must be somebody behind all this? From the opening statement, the prosecutors did not give any clue in that matter so I am afraid we might not hear anything who is behind beside the doctor.

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  13. @Mimi - This is only day two of the trial. Murray is the only one on trial so any peripheral parties involved in this are not going to be in opening arguments . . . if it is brought out it will be as a result of witness questioning.

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  14. Hi Bonnie. Who gave you the right to compere me with Diane Devil, God? No he didn't and what you said is an insult. You have to respect that people have different opinions. And I don't always have to agree with you! Who are you, Mrs Know it all? You always have to be right or what? That is not godlike. You don't know me and have no right to judge me. I have a deposition video and on that video Michael is saying that his name is Michael Joseph Jackson. So now you want me to believe that MJ is lying or that everybody know MJ'S real name except MJ? Latoya is saying that MJ had kidney and liver problems on The View Interview she did to promote her book. And I think she told the truth because if his kidneys and liver was normal the propofol would not apeared on the test. Because if the kidneys and liver are normal propofol would have left his body almost immediately. I am all about truth. I am on MJ's side not Joe jacksons side. When people start to defend him I am boiling inside. Its like spitting in MJ's face and abuse him all over again. And he have no regrets about it. He said he would do it again if he could turn back time. And I'm sure the whole family wasn't always present to watch Joey in action. And I am sure MJ went through things that he never told a living soul about. MJ I will defend you til the day I die. And if that means that people are going to dislike me, be rude and calling me ugly names so be it. Susanne

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  15. BONNIE said : "Murray never called 911 period. He had Alvarez call."

    Oh yes I had forgotten !

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  16. Susanne - Do you have t he right to judge Michael's family? These people RAISED MICHAEL. They are FAMILY. You are across the world judging them, picking and choosing your TRUTHS.

    I have a recorded interview where Michael said he was told to lie by his record label about various things like age etc . . . Jermaine says the same in his book. So YES, I'm telling you Michael has lied and probably for PROTECTION.

    Michael also had various ALIASES . . . that's not the truth either. So before you go chastizing me on JUDGING YOU maybe you should look in the mirror.

    Latoya vs. autopsy report. Who's telling the truth? Both Latoya and Jermaine have testified to not having contact with Michael sometimes over a period of YEARS . . . so how would THEY KNOW what is in his medical records?

    You can have a difference of opinion. But I DISAGREE with you being the only one allowed to JUDGE people.

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  17. Bonnie - At the risk of seeming completely morbid I have to say I was/am fixated on that guerney picture. The reason - in the pre-trial testimony the paramedic Senneff (sp?) testified that 1) the man he saw was pale and thin and 2) his first thought was that the man was a hospice patient. The recognition of the decedent as Michael Jackson took a little while. Looking at the picture presented - who would NOT have known that was Michael? His face is so reminiscent of the 90's - at least from the angle photographed.Then - I remembered an image of the Emergency Medical Report in the Remembering Michael Commemorative magazine on the 1st year anniversary of Michael's death - page 61 (I had to look it up to be certain) - on which the weight was listed at 150 lbs. Now, I understand that weight is subjective, but Senneff also helped move MJ and paramedics have a good handle on size/proportions of people just because of their experiences. And - 150 is not particularly "thin" on a 5'9" person (based on autopsy height). I also have just read Jermaine's book and the "Joe" was so predominant and emphasized. Just as in the movie "The Jacksons: An American Dream" - when Katherine is holding her baby boy and coming up with names, in the movie - produced by Jermaine and Margaret Maldanado - Katherine says 3 times "Michael JOE Jackson". These things and so many others began racing in my head as I looked at that photo and have not stopped! I work in a large company that markets many consumer good products, so I do know something about "brands" and "re-branding". I have always had a bit of openness to the possibility of MJ being alive - witness protection or other - just given so much conflicting information and details surrounding his death. But I had decided no - he was a victim and most likely murdered. But that photo - I am now 100% convinced that Michael Joseph Jackson is indeed dead - but I am not so sure about the "different" Michael. You think you have a headache? Oh my living heavens... It is contagious to be sure!!

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  18. Hello. You say this in your blog:
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    (as I am writing this Karmen someone posted this: “KarmenJackson Karmen Legazpi - There you go. Confirmation from Anthony McCartney: the pic of Michael in a gurney is real).
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    I am sorry if i am stupid... but who is Anthony McCartney????

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  19. @Susanne - I'm not going to intrude on the dialogue you are having with the manager of this blog - Bonnie. What I will say is I ask if you read Jermaine Jackson's recent book? The reason I do so is because he gives an insightful perspective on Joe Jackson. When I listened to how the media portrayed Joe and when Michael was dealing with the truth about his upbringing, I too found myself deeply sad. After reading the book and understanding Joe better, as well listening to Michael Jackson's words in his later years about his forgiveness, I am able to view Joe Jackson with greater compassion. If you are unable to - well that is that but please know that there are those who don't have resentment and hate regarding that man. I actually feel compassion for him in a big way.

    Onto Michael Joe (Joseph) Jackson's name. I have no doubt on his birth certificate it was Joe - yet I also know he used Joseph (via deposition he gave). I think it's neither here nor there. Perhaps he used Joseph during the deposition as his own way of saying (in his mind) that he has the upper hand. He could use a different middle name as a way of giving the finger to the court. I'm just guessing because we don't really know. But, here's the deal - I'm going to go by the family at this point. They do love and care for their brother in a deep way. As well, we have been manipulated by the media so much - I don't know if I'm coming or going. Bonnie - Thank you for your summary. I'm trying to catch what I can. My heart breaks and I'm trying to stay in the higher truth of all of this. With Love~LorLor

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  20. Bonnie. Wait a minute. I wasn't judging you. You judged me and compered me to Diane Diamond of all people!!!!! And you didn't have the decency to apologize for it. I have never judged the whole Jackson family!! Only Joe Jackson. HE ABUSED HIS SON PHYSICALLY AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY. I cannot defend him for what he did to his son! Trust me I look in the mirror everyday!! I am very upset and angry with you. But I will still wish you well and God bless you. We all love MJ and his message was L.O.V.E not H.A.T.E. And how can you forgive Joe when he doesn't regret what he did to MJ. Susanne

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  21. Hi Bonnie. I just uploaded the video for you on YouTube : MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON. You can also watch: The View - LaToya Jackson on YouTube. Susanne

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  22. My God, Bonnie, that photo...I can't believe that is already on internet. Michael is dead, but he deserves respect, I don't know, maybe I'm exaggerating....and that phone recording, when I heard it makes me cry. So you think that phone tape is fake?

    This is way too hard. God bless Jackson family and everybody.

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  23. Gingerod said - "But that photo - I am now 100% convinced that Michael Joseph Jackson is indeed dead - but I am not so sure about the "different" Michael."

    ....... So with all you just stated on your post what is the convincing factor for you that he's dead? That picture is not convincing to me. It's not a clear picture, the gurney is propped and he doesn't look "dead". He's not covered, his mouth is open, he has medical tape still on him . . . why and who took this picture?
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    Monika said - "Anthony McCartney????"

    ......... LOL, I don't know! That was that Karmen person's post. He could be one of the paramedics but I don't really know.
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    @LorLor - Your welcome LorLor. The birthcertificate is about as truthful as you can get. Thank you for trying to explain to Susanne. I don't think she's read either of the books by either Latoya or Jermaine.
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    Susanne said - "You judged me and compered me to Diane Diamond of all people!!!!! And you didn't have the decency to apologize for it. I have never judged the whole Jackson family!! Only Joe Jackson. HE ABUSED HIS SON PHYSICALLY AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY."

    ....... I didn't judge you. You sounded just like Dimond in your diatribe against Joe Jackson and I told you that is what you reminded me of. I don't want family attacked on this blog. You want to lecture me about love and hate after posting on MICHAEL'S BLOG that his father should burn in hell? Please explain the hypocrisy because I do not get it.

    Michael's father did not kill Michael. Michael forgave his father. What gives you the right not to?

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  24. Susanne one more thing . . . Michael's father was THERE FOR MICHAEL'S TRIAL EVERY DAY! Lisa Marie was not. Lisa Marie MALIGNED HIM in just about every post divorce interview she gave. Why defend her and not Joe?

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  25. Line said - "I too on his cheek ! We were millions to do it ! Micheline may be right : It is important but who is now to communicate this to the Justice ? "

    ......... Michael must have a very damp forehead by now . . . :o)

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  26. Susanne said - "Hi Bonnie. I just uploaded the video for you on YouTube : MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON. You can also watch: The View - LaToya Jackson on YouTube. Susanne "

    ......... I've seen these Susanne. Have you seen the birth certificate? Have you listened to Youtube of the 2005 trial . . . LEGALLY it is Michael Joe Jackson. Michael has many aliases but LEGALLY his name is MICHAEL JOE JACKSON. This is what the COURT POSTED ON THE PRESENTATION.

    Latoya quoted one autopsy report (the tabloid one) the copy I have says healthy liver and kidneys. Jermaine says perfectly healthy.

    So who's lying Susanne? Jermaine or Latoya? There were two autopsies performed. Which one is for Michael JOE Jackson?

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  27. Liberian Girl said - "So you think that phone tape is fake?

    This is way too hard."


    ......... I know, Jermaine said this was going to get rough (for fans and for family).

    The photo is too blurry to be conclusive but a couple of people have pointed out that a propped gurney for a "deceased" person is not the norm, nor is leaving him uncovered, nor is leaving medical tape on his lip or his mouth open. I also question what happened to his right leg. You can see part of his left leg before it goes outside the frame of the photo but where is the lower part of his right leg?

    I am not the only one that thinks that recording is fake. It could be Michael but it is definitely produced. I agree with Raymone Bain that it should be analyzed.

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  28. Hi, Bonnie
    I would like to thank you for reporting here. My internet connection didn't work for the past 3 days and i was "dying" for not having news. You know we can't trust the press.Plus, english is not my native language then i just read it.I don't understand it very well when spoken. Thank you.
    I am with you on the picture. Maybe i am on denial but it doesn't seem real to me. Even the voice on the tape. I'm not sure that it's him but even in that case it doesn't prove anything like Jermaine said. Anyone just awakened from a deep sleep (plus sedatives) can talk like that, especially if the tape has been slowered.
    So many people have fallen into the trap of the media (and their mandators) about the Jackson family and especially Joe Jackson...It's so sad that they don't understand that the final score is to discredit the same Michael.
    I slightly disagree with you on Kenny Ortega. Have you ever heard of this e-mail? I don't feel it. It is like fake or was written after. Is it possible to write an e-mail and backdate it? I don't trust Kenny Ortega ( i know you do). May be i'm wrong though...
    Anyway thank you very much and i send you healthy thoughts and prayers. I need you to be strong and healthy. Otherwise how can i be informed about what happens in court? LoL...
    God bless you and all the Jackson family and Michael and give all of us strenght.

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  29. Hi Bonnie. I admit I took it to far when I said that I hope Joe burns in hell. I take that back. I dont want nobody to burn in hell not even my enimies. Exuse me, I am not perfect. I am only human. But I still don't like him as a person and what he did to MJ. I have never defended Lisa. Who gave you that idea? I don't know what to think of her. I just said one time that I like her song "Dirty Laundry". I thought the lyrics were great. I didn't know it was a cover until you told me so. In the video he hold up his hand and say yes when he's asked to tell the truth the whole truth............this was a deposition for a lawsuit. Is it legal to have two different names? Seems like he lied a lot then. Why? I thought MJ was a honest person. I dont understand. Susanne

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  30. "Murray's Recording?":

    I think he's saying "no no" not "go go". It's flat, doesn't have the tone of ordering someone either.

    I agree with you Bonnie about the voice and studio equipment.
    It's made to sound like he's on heavy sedatives.

    Exploring: Is it Michael?

    * It could have been pre-recorded, no proof it was a live voice on the other end of that phone. (Was it a conversation? Was the entire recording submitted to the court?)
    * He doesn't identify the show he's talking about.
    * The way it's worded it could be anybody who was doing a show and intended to donate the profits to a children's hospital named after Michael.
    * It could have been a Michael impersonator talking about his own shows then commenting about Michael Jackson being "the greatest entertainer in the world". (EDIT: He says "He's" not "Michael Jackson is" (non-specific). I left my first impression because it shows a bit how our brains go 'automatic' interpretation. Well, how mine does and I can't be alone.)
    * It could have been Michael with blocked nasal passages with voice speed, and therefore tone being electronically manipulated.
    * Would Michael say "never seen nothing" or "never seen anything"?

    At first, it just doesn't sound like Michael...except, twice he says "world", which to me VERY closely resembles Michael's inflection (No, it sounds just like him!) - build-up then tone drop and draws out his L, doesn't enunciate the D at the end of that word. Go listen several times, paying close attention to the end of the word "world", see if it sounds familiar to you.

    "end of (the word) world". The clue to the answer?
    Nevermind, my brain working overtime.

    Seems odd Murray would record that on his phone and keep it so long. Why? Have we just seen why but don't yet know the significance?

    Is the world a stage? Is This It...the show?
    Have we just stepped into Michael's world?

    Did we ever establish what happened to E'Cas?

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  31. HI Bonnie. If there is two MJ's. Which one was the memorial for? Didn't the memorial program say Michael Joseph Jackson? Susanne

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  32. Hi Bonnie. You said: Who is lying Jermaine or LaToya? My answered is: I have heard doctors and experts saying that propofol leaves the body immediately and will not be found in an autopsy. So when LaToya said that MJ had kidney and liver problems I thought it sounded logical. Because that would be the reason why the autopsy test showed that he had propofol in his body. And if you have Lupus all of your organs can get affected by the disease. And MJ had lupus for many years, right? I am not saying that's the reason for his death. But maybe that's the reason the propofol didn't leave his body and therefore could be found in the autopsytests. But if you saying that the real autopsy said that his kidneys were healthy. How could they find the propofol in his body? It is supposed to leave the body immediately. And many hours went by before they did the autopsy. Susanne

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  33. Hi Bonnie. When Amy Winehouse died. There were a doctor who said that if a person who is addicted to drogs or medication suddenly stops taking it. It can be very dangerous. You have to stop slowly not immediately. Also if a person starts taking drogs or medication after they have been clean for a while it can be very dangerous if they take the same amount/dose as before they stopped. Having Lupus there is a lot of physical pain. No wonder he had to be on painkillers. Lupus must have made him suffer a lot. To say he was an addict is not fair. He probably was depended on medications because of his disease. Susanne

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  34. Hi Bonnie. Another thing I thought about. Didn't MJ have lung problems because of his Lupus disease. And IF he did, shouldn't a doctor be even more careful when giving propofol to his patient under those circumstances. Susanne

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  35. Hi Bonnie. Wouldn't it be a good thing for the prosecutors if infact MJ had those Lupus issues? That would make the doctor look even more reckless!! But the autopsy report says that he was perfectly healthy. My question is, how can you be perfectly healthy if you have had Lupus for 10-20 years? Lupus attacks the immune system and the organs in your body. Susanne

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  36. Coxib35 said - "My internet connection didn't work for the past 3 days and i was "dying" for not having news. You know we can't trust the press.Plus, english is not my native language then i just read it.I don't understand it very well when spoken. Thank you."

    ........ You're welcome. Forgive me for taking so long to answer. I try to keep my ears/eyes on the live feed during the trial hours and they are 3 hours behind me, so I'm on here until at least 7pm my time (EST). Today is the first day in a week I have NOT had a headache. I am so happy!

    I think the picture, facially LOOKS like Michael, but things are off about other portions of the picture. It is such a bad quality picture that picking out detail is hard, but from what I see, he looks like a sleeping version of himself. Reports from paramedics say the person they picked up looked like a hospice patient and they did not recognize him as Michael Jackson. This picture above LOOKS like him in the face. The rest of the picture though, size of his wrists (where's that tell-tale wrist bone?) and the missing bottom part of the right leg. Michael has long legs . . . this looks like a bigger body attached to short legs.

    The recording - processed but could be Michael's voice. Sounds like something Sony would pull on fans, doesn't it? Kenny's email: Not sure he's talking about Michael. Why wouldn't he name him in the email? Very odd. I think Kenny is close to Michael, but I can't guarantee this email is about Michael.

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  37. Susanne said - "Hi Bonnie. I admit I took it to far when I said that I hope Joe burns in hell. I take that back. I dont want nobody to burn in hell not even my enimies. Exuse me, I am not perfect. I am only human."

    ......... Me too Susanne. I'm not perfect either. I mentioned this on the blog I just put up tonight. Everyone has been waiting for this for two years. We should do better at keeping positive thoughts for the family.

    Yes, I think it is legal to have aliases especially as a celebrity. Stephen King writes under different names. Prince recorded music under various different names, but one name is attached to that social security number and that birth certificate. Some of those taped depositions may very well be staged. The 2007 Drug depo. I always thought was suspect. I posted docs over there for you. ♥

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  38. Truth said - "I think he's saying "no no" not "go go". It's flat, doesn't have the tone of ordering someone either."

    ...... I go back and forth on that all the time. Either way it still sort of sounds like he's giving direction.

    I suspected this:

    "It could have been a Michael impersonator talking about his own shows then commenting about Michael Jackson being "the greatest entertainer in the world". (EDIT: He says "He's" not "Michael Jackson is" (non-specific). I left my first impression because it shows a bit how our brains go 'automatic' interpretation. Well, how mine does and I can't be alone.)"

    The way things are worded reminds me of Kenny O's email to Phillips. No mention of Michael's name only "the artist" in an informal email?

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  39. Susanne - "HI Bonnie. If there is two MJ's. Which one was the memorial for? Didn't the memorial program say Michael Joseph Jackson? "


    You got me! Michael had more than one double/impersonator. This is one of those questions that will not get answered right away. You can bet one thing. If there is another Michael, there was a huge reason this was done the way it was done. ♥

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  40. Hi Bonnie. You and LorLor was wondering if I have read Jermaine and LaToyas books. I haven't done that yet. I am going to read them after the trial. I am very curious about Cascios book. I might as well read that one too. Susanne

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  41. Bonnie,
    Not only are they implying that Murray started working for Michael on May 10, they are completely overlooking other evidence that Murray notified AEG that he had started his services, on May 15.

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  42. BonnieL said...
    Bonnie said "@Mimi - This is only day two of the trial. Murray is the only one on trial so any peripheral parties involved in this are not going to be in opening arguments . . . if it is brought out it will be as a result of witness questioning."

    Bonnie, sorry this comment is being posted so late. I tried to post the other day but lost my comment & got frustrated. I'm back now ;)

    I'm in a trial prep class & we've been going over opening statements. I learned that the opening statement is telling the jury what your case is all about. If either side in this trial were going to bring out anything about a conspiracy or anyone else involved in this murder, they would have said something in opening statements. That would have been the perfect opportunity for the defense to say "we will show that Dr. Murray was not the only one who could have done this" or "we will show that so & so did this & that". There can be no surprises in a trial unless the attorneys are so incompetent that they don't know what the witnesses are going to testify to: that rarely happens. There can be no surprises because all witnesses have been divulged to either side; exhibits have been divulged; and like I said above, unless the attorneys are very incompetent both sides know the opposition's theory of their case.

    My gut feeling is that nothing about a conspiracy or others involved, etc. will come out in this trial, (or very, very little...nothing that's going to make a difference one way or the other as to who gets punished). If the family wants to get all that on the record I think they're going to have to file a wrongful death suit.

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