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Michael Jackson Justice: Day 8 Testimony - Michael Jackson's Privacy More Than Violated

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Friday, October 7, 2011

Day 8 Testimony - Michael Jackson's Privacy More Than Violated

Day 8 Testimony –
Michael Jackson Conrad Murray Trial




The word for today is “evidence”. 


Jeremiah 32:10
And I subscribed the evidence, and sealed it, and took witnesses, and weighed him the money in the balances.

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.


Try to Get me to lose the man I really am



A Quote from Jermaine’s Book –

Pg 410 – “When I spoke with my brother at the Indian restaurant, there was no question that he was fit, healthy and focused.  He was skinny, but only in an athletic sense, and the photos that still stand on an end table in my living room confirm it.


Today’s testimony at first began to look good for the defense.  Especially when they called Alyssa Fleak back in to “clean up” her testimony only to have Chernoff again point out inconsistencies in her answers.  Then came the audio tape of Murray being questioned by detectives on June 27th, 2009.

This is how the day started:



Flanagan is still cross examines Dan Anderson


This was going rather boringly until conflict between what it consisted of medical evidence number two began to surface.  Dan Anderson does not know if Medical evidence number 2 which was four components of an IV system, but it was not connected when Dan Anderson received it, was the same as the IV system taken from the Carolwood home on June 29th.

Anderson testified the Bag tested no medication whatsoever.

Anderson said the bag was disconnected from the long tubing when he got it.  He stated the spike was not inside the bag.

Anderson was not there when it was taken to the laboratory, he didn’t sign it in.  Criminalist Linton (Linton Guest?  Related to David Guest?  Never mind), received it and indicated in notes that it was separated.  Flanagan tries to determine through Anderson if it is the same IV system that was at the house on the pole.

Lidocaine and Propofol was indicated in tubing and syringe and Flumazenil.

Flanagan then asks about Propofol and what dosage would cause the levels in Michael’s blood that were found.

Walgren objects saying the question is beyond Dan Anderson’s expertise.  The judge over rules it and lets him answer and Dan says it’s beyond his expertise.  I found it odd that Walgren suddenly became Anderson, answering for him.  How does he know what is in Anderson is qualified to answer in the forensic field?  Was this Walgren’s way of cueing Anderson that he doesn’t want him to answer that question?  I  thought that was weird.  I hope the jurors took note.



Walgren Recrosses Anderson


Gastric Contents


The Lorazpam found in the stomach equals to 1/43 of a tablet as Walgren has Anderson confirm.


Recross Flanagan

Flanagan asks again to get Anderson to confirm that chemicals found in the blood is closer to current administration and chemicals found in the urine would be more historical.

I am trying to understand how Anderson cannot answer certain questions concerning concentrations of items in the blood or bladder.  Anderson admits that higher concentrations in blood compared to stomach would generally mean more recent medication administration and higher concentrations in the bladder compared to concentration in blood may indicate administration that could include administrations from days ago.  But Anderson cannot answer on Propofol.

If Anderson is not qualified to answer these questions and it is “beyond his area of expertise” as Walgren keeps interjecting for Anderson, then how in the world do they determine cause of death if he is unable to determine the relationship between the administration of the drug and the concentrations in the blood and/or urine?  Who makes this determination?

Uh-oh . . . Anderson rolls his eyes.  Flanagan is still trying to get an answer on absorption rates of Lorazapam and Propofol.  Hopefully a coroner can answer these questions.

Walgren calls Fleak back in to clean up the mess she left yesterday.

Walgren gets Fleak to clarify some of her “errors” and “omissions” from yesterday.  This had really hurt the prosecution yesterday.


Chernoff crosses.

Chernoff asks Fleak about her coming out of a room into a hallway, then he asks her if one of the pictures she took is of a bathroom. 





 
Bathroom






Bedroom pics  Master Bedroom


She doesn’t know who took pictures

She doesn’t know who took pictures of pill bottles

Pill bottles are not on the same counter in bathroom in another picture.

This is very interesting, pill bottles have been moved within the same day, on the counter in the master bathroom. 




Detective Scott Smith is called by Prosecution

Walgren examines and gets Smith’s background and career history.  He then prepares to play the video tape of Murray’s questioning.

Parking lot vid.
This tape shows Murray walking through hallway at 5:02
Both videos are time stamped at the top.


However the tape shown at court by Walgren shows Murray actually leaving a waiting room and coming outside the door and the time was 4:36.  The Detective draws on the diagram where Murray is from the arial photo of the hospital.

The video being shown of Murray Leaving ER at 4:36.


Pick of parking lot


Picture of Murray’s trail out of hospital


Smith talked to Faheem Mohammed very briefly.  Smith explains a “chrono” is a list of checks that they complete as they go through investigation.

Smith describes they collected information about their locations ect…

Smith said Mohammed said he was employed by Mr. Jackson and got his basic contact information.

Same information for Alvarez adding that he went up to the room to assist Dr. Murray.  Smith testified that Alvarez told him that Murray told him to call 911.

Any other interviews done at UCLA?  No he said.

Smith arrived at 7:15 – 7:30pm at Carolwood.  Smith said he was not able to get any information at the scene.  At that point it was just a death investigation . . . a coroner’s case.  A Homicide murder investigation the detectives would then take full responsibility for that investigation.

Smith answers Walgren that at that point it was just a death investigation the evening of June 25, 2009.  They were just there to assist and report for the Coroner.  So the Coroner was currently in charge of the scene.

Smith answers Walgren the evening of June 25th, that evidence was collected.  They were there same time as coroner investigator.  They had a photographer there and they were there to assist Fleak.

Detectives focused their attention on the upstairs bedroom where decedent had passed away.  Smith said he cleared the scene at 9:30 PM (Latoya said she, Jeffrey and another detective got there around 11:30pm as she wrote in her book on page 296).

Smith said they released the house at the request of the Jackson family TO  security.

June 26, 2009, Smith attended autopsy of Mr. Jackson.  He was present for entire autopsy.  He did not learn of definitive cause of death at that time.  Following autopsy Smith said they were awaiting toxicology results and the results were deferred.

June 26th they returned to Carolwood.  They responded to Ed Winters when items were recovered by the Jackson family.

They took custody of those items.  Consisted of degraded cannabis in a shaving kit, lotion, paper, fed ex envelope, misc. debris.  None relevant to cause of death.

On June 26th, the found discarded, empty prescription bottles from the master bathroom area of Michael Jackson’s bedroom NOT where he died!

Detective Smith and Ed Winters received this shaving kit allegedly from members of the Jackson family (which ones?), which contained the empty Tamazapam bottle made out to Omar Arnold.

Additionally extra prescription pills and Ballizone ointment made out to an Omar Arnold by Dr. Klein, empty pill bottles Lorazapam 2mg to Michael Jackson 4-2-2009 by Conrad Murray, empty label partially removed Diazapam 10mg 4-14-2009 (no doctor?).  The ointment was recovered from the master bathroom as well as the Lorazapam and Diazapam bottle.

(Oh God, as series of photos)

Taken June 25, 2009

Photo master bath
SMITH MASTERBATH

Masterbath 4





June 26

MJ 2011 Trial Smith masterbath 5 26th

Previous pic of closeup of ledge with empty containers.



Smith put them on the ledge, so they could be photographed.  They were not recovered there he said (answers one inconsistency of Fleak’s).  They were recovered in the vanity area (no photo of them recovered there though!  Did he and Fleak go to the same school of collecting evidence?)

Smith said no other things of note were recovered that day on the 26th.

Smith said defense attorneys wanted to set up a meeting on Saturday June 27th, 2009 through Michael Panya.  He talked to Detective Martinez

Smith said Martinez made the contact for the arrangements.  The time and date was arranged for 4pm at the Ritz Carlton on 6-27-09.

Dr. Murray’s attorneys chose location for the meeting.  Orland Marinez and Smith attended this meeting with Chernoff Murray and Panya.

Smith states that the clinking that will be heard in the background was silverware and that the small office room they had the meeting was adjacent to a banquet hall.

Walgren plays the interview on CD in the computer.  The transcripts are presented.

Transcripts have certain redactions.

Recording:

Took place June 27th 2009.

After they all greeted each other over very noisy background noise, We learn from one of the detectives that Dr. Lakshmanan (or a similar sounding name) was actually  the coroner that performed the autopsy NOT Ed Winters!


*Dr. LUXBERGER PERFORMED THE ACTUAL AUTOPSY*

Detectives asked for Murray’s information, where he lived, his home phone, his business address which is the same that appears on some of the already submitted documents, his business phone and his cell phone.  I wrote down his home addresss, phone and cell but I am not publishing them because these are probably redacted on the actual transcripts, but I did write them down just in case they release the transcript and they are NOT redacted.

Murray was informed that the detectives that took notes were not handling the case.  I am not sure which detectives they are talking about.

Murray answered questions pertaining to his relationship with Michael Jackson and this is what he said:

- He met Michael in late 2006.

- He did not know of Michael’s other doctors but assumed he had some because he saw Michael infrequently and because Michael traveled so much.

- Michael was referred to him through the father of one of Michael’s security guards named “Francis” (is that the guard’s last name?)

- A Michael Amir  called Murray in 2009 and said Michael Jackson wanted to speak with him, that Michael would be going on tour and wanted him to be part of the concert trips.  Michael Jackson then spoke to him and asked him to be on his team.

- Murray was under the impression initially that he would be working for Michael Jackson.  But he learned AEG would be paying his salary.

- Murray understood that he would indeed by Michael’s employee, but his salary would be paid by AEG.

The court breaks for lunch until 1:30

Commentary makes a good point. At this point it is just an interview, not an investigation because at this point, that second search had not happened yet (that happened on the 29th of June) where they found the medical bags with the pill bottles.  So no toxicology report had been released yet and no reason to suspect the doctor as of the time of this interview.

This doesn’t release the jury from reasonable doubt however, because regardless of the reason, the house was unsecured from June 25th until June 29th over a space of time that evidence was left open to the possibility of contamination and compromise.

When they came back from their afternoon break my husband was just coming home from work and learned that one of his favorite people at work had a major accident and had to be flown via chopper to a trauma unit.  This isn’t someone I had ever met personally but I had heard enough about him from my husband that I very much liked him.  I never got back to the rest of the testimony that day because of what Ed told me had happened.  We prayed for him then went out to get some things for him.

What I did take notes on right before my husband came in was:

Murray went through times that he administered the dosages of Versed (2mg) and another at 7:30am and Michael was still not asleep.

- Around 10am Murray said Michael was still not asleep.  Murray was checking the tubes and checked the sheets to make sure the medications were not leaking from the tube onto the bed before it got to his veins.

- Murray said Michael began complaining about needing to sleep and that rehearsals would be thrown off if he didn’t get some sleep.  Around 10:30 when Michael asked for his “milk” which Murrays said was “Propofol” when asked by what sounded like Chernoff’s voice.

- When One of the other voices asked Murray what Propofol is, Murray responded that it was a sedative that was also used for anesthesia (Okay, now Murray should know that this is NOT a sedative, it is anesthesia, period!  That bothered me, he should know this.)

- Murray said that at about 10:40 am he finally relented and administered 25mg of Propofol through the I.V.

That is the last I heard when my husband told me what happened at work.

I did find a video below, which covers some of the later parts of the interview I did not get go hear.  So you can watch this below.  Obviously the commentary is not mine, but I will comment on my thoughts below.





@1:19 the commentator said that Murray remarked about Michael have the “veins of an old man” and had puncture marks “in his ankles and between his fingers.”  You can also hear someone ask “Now the first time ‘milk’ was used on him, was it your idea or his idea?” To which someone who sounded like Murray said, “his”.

(I cannot comment on this because I did not hear Murray’s voice testify to this, only that the commentator said that Murray said this.)

Why did the questioner refer to this as “milk” when Murray had already explained to him what that was?  This could very easily be misinterpreted especially since there is no video to be able to read expressions or who is actually talking.

Timeline started on the tape at 1:52:

- 1am Jackson gets home and showers.  Murray gives him a rub down with the cream to treat his skin condition.

- By 2am Jackson cannot sleep and is given his first sedative.

- At 3am a second different sedative is administered to the port in the IV.

- At 4:30 a repeat dose of his first sedative.

- Sunrise and Jackson is still not asleep.

- 7:30am a repeat of the second sedative.

- By 10:30 a “desperate Michael Jackson is asking for his old friend, Propofol”.

This quote below on the site that had this video:

Murray, at times, described his friend as a chemically addicted man who had a deep "pharmacological knowledge." He told police Jackson's veins were "dried up" like an old man's, making it difficult to find sites to inject an IV.

And this:

Of Jackson's health, he said that the singer was "very thin," had trouble with his right hip and suffered from a toe fungus.Source

I do not recall any information on the autopsy report in regard to any hip injury nor a toe fungus.  That was  the only problem I had in consistency with regard to Murray’s comments and the autopsy report.

I am only going to put what they quoted Murray as saying on this tape. Since we had a sort of emergency here with the events that happened at my husband’s work, I need someone to please verify that this is indeed what Murray said if you listened to that part of the audio played in court.

If there is anything you can add I would also very much appreciate that.

Continuing Murray’s quotes:

"That was not my purpose of joining his team," Murray told police. "I was there to help him, and I was going to be available should something go wrong.”  (This was supposedly in addition to his remarks about not knowing he was going to be administering drugs to him six days a week.)

"What I was recognizing was Michael Jackson might have had a dependency to a substance," Murray added. "I was trying to wean him off."

This is the first time I have had to consider two things.  Either Murray is a doctor to a completely different Michael (one different than the one described by Jermaine and Lou Ferrigno and two “TII” witnesses already on the stand.  (Kenny Ortega did say Michael came in sick that one day, but then came back on the 23rd  as “another Michael”).

– OR it WAS the same Michael (our sweetheart) but someone came in when Murray left the room and administered the killer propfol another way

- OR, Murray is lying about what he actually gave him and caused his death.

There was this quote further down:

Jackson told Murray that he was tired and felt fatigued. He told the doctor, "I'm treated like I'm a machine. ... Let me just have a quick shower and change and I'll come back to you."

I don’t know if this is what Murray said on that audio or not so if someone could verify for me please?

This quote:

I said: How about if you try to meditate?" Murray told police. "Let's change the lighting of the room, let's lower the music ... let me rub your feet and try to relax."

Just for the record, I rub my husband’s feet and his back when he comes home sore from work, but would a doctor normally do this?  Not one I ever had.  Maybe If I paid him $150K a month he would . . .

This quote:

After 10 a.m., Jackson told Murray, "Please give me some milk so I can sleep because I know that's all that works for me."”  (I did hear this part on the audio.)

“"I made sure that there was oxygen on the bedside. ... I had a pulse oximeter ... that shows the amount of oxygen that he has in his blood and also allows me to look at the heart rate," Murray told investigators.

According to that same article which again is here – Source – the oxygen tank was empty.  We also know from both the testimony of Detective Smith and Coroner investigator Fleak that the house was NOT secure between June 25th and June 29th, so any apparatus left in the house and not collected the FIRST TIME could have been messed with.

Other contradictions from the article:

Murray said he immediately began trying to ventilate Jackson through CPR and mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. He added that because Jackson didn't have a landline, it made it difficult to call for help.

We have several pictures of a nightstand next to the bed with a multi-line phone sitting on it.  While it is possible the phone was not working, I fail to understand why a phone would be installed if it was not going to be used OR why a house that was previously empty before Michael became a tenant would have phones left in it with possible personal numbers stored in it.

He said that he felt a pulse in Jackson's groin area and administered CPR on Jackson's bed because he couldn't move him to the floor alone.

This made me laugh out loud.  Murray is six-foot-five and two-twenty pounds.  He couldn’t move Michael, who is reportedly five-foot-nine and only 136 pounds to the floor himself?  Why not?  That did not make sense to me at all.

Smith added that the day after Jackson died, Jackson's family alerted him and the coroner of additional evidence found in the master bathroom of Jackson's mansion.

Not once in either the part of the recording I DID hear, nor when I heard him talk on the stand before the recording, did Detective Smith identify the Jackson Family member that contacted him or turned over the “other evidence” of the black bag with rotten cannabis or the three empty pill bottles.  WHO ARE THEY?

There was someone running around the internet last year that was affiliated with the stalker girls and TINI who claimed that Michael invited her into a room in the lower level of the house that had no security cameras. She said they slept on the floor together.  Perhaps police should start talking to THESE people making these claims because it is obvious that  we have an open house that has not been secured, and security guards watching over it that can’t seem to get their stories strait.    Maybe they should check THAT GIRL for the unidentified fingerprints?

Last but not least -

“Pictures of the master bathroom showed a messy space with drawers open, notes taped to windows and things covering the floor.”

According to Latoya in her book, this room in question looked like it was torn apart and not the way Michael would usually keep his house.  This is the same bedroom that is DIFFERENT than the one Michael was actually in on the 25th.  Again, why a different room.

Some observations from a couple other people:

From Diane:

Elissa Fleak just said she went into a bedroom that yesterday she said she just popped her head through the door,are they talking about same room?

bonnie
did you get a pic of Fleak with her head out the door looking into the hallway?That pile of clothes,it looks to me like those the kids wore when they did that sky diving (controlled ) you know what i mean lol, there is even a blur helmet!!! have they been before Michael's passing as well as after???


You can see THAT picture above.  It is the photo where investigator Alyssa Fleak is standing in a door way, looking into a hallway.  Good observation, Diane!

So that is all I have for tonight.  I will be writing up something for Sunday on some of the things I learned from Jermaine’s book.  There are some issues I do have with Jermaine’s reported incidents but since readying Latoya’s book, I have stopped looking at the books from the Jacksons as a source of answers, and more of a source of stepping stones across a creek.   I think we are supposed to fill in the holes, a little bit at a time.  I should have some of that done by Sunday.  I will have the book finished tonight.

God Bless you.  Keep the faith and remember, read between the lines.  This trial is in the court room, NOT on Twitter and NOT in the media.  We have to look at EVERYTHING, not just the media’s slanted version of it.

Have a restful weekend.

48 comments:

  1. I am reading the parts of the transcript now so I may be adding to or ammending this blog. We had an upsetting situation here at home today with a friend.

    I am finding inconsistencies in previous testimony vs. Transcript of the parts of the Murray interview I had to miss.

    1. Murray said that he was the one that recommended the autopsy. - in Day three of the trial Dr. Cooper said SHE was the one that ordered the autopsy.

    2. We thought Ed Winters had performed the autopsy but it was Lakshmanan (how do you pronounce THAT?)

    I'll post more as I find them.

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  2. Murray said Michael did a PARTIAL performance on the 25th but mostly had meetings when Amir called him to update him on Michael before they returned home after rehearsals late 24th/early 25th. I thought Kenny had testified that Michael had run complete songs, but not sure. Anyone can jump in here.


    - Murray stated he spent EVERY night. Nicole had stated he had various nights off, usually one or two nights a week.

    - Murray said no one was allowed to go into the room on the left. (the master bedroom. The one that looks a wreck in the pictures, same as the bathroom).

    - Murray told detectives that the "propofol" was a "sedative that is also used as anesthesia". Now who the heck told him that???

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  3. Hello Bonnie. You can get the whole Conrad Murray Police Interview at TMZ. It's a PDF file, 125 pages I think it is. Susanne

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  4. Bonnie, You must be exhausted! Thank you for watching and commenting on all of this. I am unable to watch so really appreciate your eyes and ears AND your efforts to report as concise as you can. Everybody else - thank you too for your support and comments to further the search for Truth. This "trial" is especially grooling!

    I can't help thinking in looking at the condition of these rooms pictured above, no wonder Michael was having trouble sleeping. Not only did he have the weight of the shows on his mind (and who knows what else), he had to come home to this? If these rooms were not the result of being ransacked after his "death" - how could anyone sleep in such disarray? Not a peaceful environment to say the least!

    Why would Michael be in a surgical cap trying to go to sleep? Is that a requirement when you have an IV stuck in your leg? All this is just bizarre.

    My heart hurts over all of this.

    Bonnie, thoughts and prayers go out to your husband's co-worker wishing him a speedy and complete recovery!

    In all things pray....pray....pray

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  5. Page 62 to the top of 63, Murray says when explaining propofol to Chernoff at this meeting:

    Dr. Murray - "But there's also - used in patients who, you know, are very ill and they need to keep them completely sedated. You know, it's being used."

    Why would Murray need to explain that? Michael wasn't "very ill" and he didn't need to be "completely sedated".

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  6. I'm sorry, I'm wrong . . . whoever told me that the Flumazenil reversed the Benzodiazepines was right. Read that in the transcripts just now.

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  7. Susanne said - "Hello Bonnie. You can get the whole Conrad Murray Police Interview at TMZ. It's a PDF file, 125 pages I think it is. Susanne "

    ..... Thank you Susanne, The link is actually posted above in BLUE letters called "transcript" I still haven't finished reading it yet. Page 94. Finding interesting things in there. Oh boy!
    Jermaine's book . . . Thank you Jermaine. I got mad at you for a second but I kept reading and GOT IT. Latoya's book has sure come in handy in going over some of this testimony. I'm tired.
    -------------------------------------------

    @Blake - LOL! See comment above. Yes very tired. Husband tired of ME LOL!

    Those rooms - That is how my mother used to keep house. Thankfully she enslaved me when I was younger, so my house does NOT, but I wonder how much of that was POLICE and how much was Michael? I remember seeing picks of Neverland. That man got more pictures, CD's, Videos, DVD's and poems sent to him than anyone I will ever know. I don't think he threw any of them away. But I bet his stacks of gifts were more organized than that.

    Clues . . . I'll be back on that. Murray transcript has some interesting pieces of info that I will present to you all later for your thoughts. My head hurts too. I've been up for 23 hours now. I feel like I'm ON versed.

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  8. Hi Bonnie. In the police Interview with Conrad Murray they are mentioning a dective Porche. A man with grey hair and a fedora hat. The old man with grey hair and fedora hat at the memorial and the old man with grey hair and fedora hat at the funeral doesn't look like the same person. It is so weird. Susanne

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  9. Hello Bonnie. Oh, I am sorry I missed the transcript in your blog. Now I am embarrassed. Susanne

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  10. Bonnie,
    Yup it was me who said Flumazenil reversed the benzos. It was also me who questioned WHICH saline bag and drip was tested!! If Alvarez took an IV bag off the IV pole, was he packing it with the other vials that Murray gave him, before the paramedics arrived?
    Some other things I heard Murray say on the tape:
    Michael was spending a few days in Las Vegas and called Murray. Some time had clearly lapsed since they last spoke. We know Michael went to LV on 4 April 2009 and stayed at the Wynn. He saw ‘La Reve’ with Kenny Ortega. (This is in the timeline on the first post in my blog).
    Michael asked Murray for propofol and Murray gave it to Michael at his clinic in LV. At some point Dr David Addams got involved and was with Murray and Michael during this time. Murray learnt that Michael had been going to a cosmetic surgeon for propofol, for ‘sleep’, and that this surgeon had insisted that Michael had cosmetic procedures whilst he was ‘asleep’ to pay for the use of the office!!!!!!!!! Murray did not name this surgeon, but I was thinking Klein. According to evidence given on Day 1 of this trial, Murray ordered his first box of propofol on 6th April, so this all ties in.

    On the other points you made:
    I don’t remember Murray saying Michael had the veins of an old man, he used a medical term to describe them, (I can’t remember it but it began with an ‘s’) saying they were damaged due to long-term IV usage.
    I didn’t hear all of the Murray tape so I can’t comment on the hip and fungus problems.
    Murray did say he had given Michael propofol regularly. When he was asked how regularly, Murray said ‘ there are 30 days in a month. Every Day’. Murray then said he stopped for 3 days prior to death, as he was weaning Michael off. This would be the 22/23/24 June when Kenny talked about a ‘different Michael’.
    I didn’t hear the part about Michael being treated like a machine, as I didn’t hear all the tape.
    Murray did ask Michael to meditate, and he said Michael went to sleep for about 10 minutes – this was around 3-4 am from my memory.
    According to the Sony status report on the rehearsal footage that was requested by the prosecutor and the defense, Michael rehearsed ‘Dangerous’,’Thriller’ ‘Earth Song’ ‘We Are The World’ on 24th June. So only a partial rehearsal. More had been rehearsed on 23rd. If you watch ‘This Is It’ then you can tell what was filmed at The Staples Center because they have the LED screen behind them. This was not erected at the other rehearsal venues. I have listed the songs rehearsed on 23rd on my blog. I am still working on my list of which venue TII was filmed in, and there is no footage of Michael on the stage at Centerstaging. You see film of the singers and dancers onstage there, cut into the other footage, but none of Michael onstage. This is probably because he was still putting it all together and I suspect he didn’t rehearse with the others at all until The Forum.

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  11. My thoughts on the messiness of Michael's space (if not created by police/investigators etc.):

    Artistic types often = organized chaos and know where to find things so long as nobody else is tidying up/moving things.

    I am guessing that he would not have trusted anybody (hired help) to be alone in his space to clean up/organize his belongings.

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  12. Suanne said - "Hi Bonnie. In the police Interview with Conrad Murray they are mentioning a dective Porche. A man with grey hair and a fedora hat. The old man with grey hair and fedora hat at the memorial and the old man with grey hair and fedora hat at the funeral doesn't look like the same person. It is so weird."

    ...... I am still reading the transcript because I did not get that far in the audio. We had a bad day here yesterday and I tried but was up intil 5am and had gotten to page 94 of the transcript and I just couldn't stay up anymore. Aside from that there is something here in this transcript that reminds me of something that Jermaine brought up in his book. My stomach is CHURNING!

    It's one thing to have theories about what was going on with Michael. It's another to have it verified by discovered history. This is the ugliest, UGLIEST thing I have ever seen, ever. It must have killed Jermaine to write this book. How do you hold back when you witness or have been a victim of certain things? I am furious, disgusted, I have never felt such pain for another human being in my life and I just PRAY and plead that God is as just as his book says he is. At the same time I am FIGHTING with myself not to let this cripple me.

    I KNOW WHAT THESE PEOPLE DID!

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  13. Bonnie, I hope you & your husband can rest this weekend & that this work colleague will make it !

    "They treat me like I'm a machine" : Page 16 of the Transcript.

    Pages 60 to 64 : On 06.25.2009 at around 10:50 am, just after the slow injections of Propofol & Lorazepam, C. Murray stated he monitored Michael long enough ; when he felt comfortable with Michel sleeping at last, he went to the bathroom which, including his return to Michael's room from the bathroom may have taken about 2 minutes. This is when he discovered Michael had problems !!!? He NEVER mentioned his personal call at 11:15 to Sade Anding. Through the pages following P. 64, IMO Murray also took too long to call himself the 911 as he first insisted to ressuscitate Michael & later also insisted that the paramedics continue the reanimation process, before the transportation to UCLA finally started. Precious time was wasted even if it is unsure if the UCLA could really save Michael. Or did Michael die long before the time (10:40 or 10:50am) C. Murray pretends he gave the Propofol injection ? Now Mr. Anderson's toxicology results can't say much more ? I am disappointed.

    @TRUTHBTOLD - On Michael's untidy bedroom : explanation given by C. Murray on Page 18 of the Transcript.

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  14. Hello Bonnie. Now you make me very curious. What did you find out reading Jermaine's book? It seems like it it something you don't wanna know by your reaction. Today is the tribute right? I cant wait till its over. Susanne

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  15. PrincessGlam - "If Alvarez took an IV bag off the IV pole, was he packing it with the other vials that Murray gave him, before the paramedics arrived?If Alvarez took an IV bag off the IV pole, was he packing it with the other vials that Murray gave him, before the paramedics arrived?"

    Remember, Alvarez's prints were not found on that whole apparatus. Four fingerprints of people not in that house that morning were found on that bag.

    You said Dr. Addams got "involved at some point"? He got involved before Murray would even agree to this according to the transcript.

    Cosmetic surgeon? Not Klein . . . Klein is not a surgeon he is a dermatologist. That would be Steven Hoefflin. He is Michael's cosmetic Surgeon that did most of the surgeries on Michael's face. You remember, him, right?

    Princess said - "Murray did say he had given Michael propofol regularly. When he was asked how regularly, Murray said ‘ there are 30 days in a month. Every Day’. Murray then said he stopped for 3 days prior to death, as he was weaning Michael off. This would be the 22/23/24 June when Kenny talked about a ‘different Michael’. "

    .... Okay I got to this part early this morning. Yes that ties in. I am also reading what Murray is saying about how irregular this is and how uncomfortable he is with doing this . . .

    Princess said - "This is probably because he was still putting it all together and I suspect he didn’t rehearse with the others at all until The Forum. "

    ........ Yes, I remember hearing that Michael didn't rehearse at center staging, this was all during the meetings and the collaboration/conceptualizing stage. Supposedly the Dancers were not even auditioned until mid-April. I am working on another timeline because there are things that Jermaine mentions in his book that also tie in to what Murray testifies that MICHAEL told him what was going on with him.

    These people had been doing this to Michael for a LOOOOOOONG time - the drugging. The IV's repeatedly for years. This is where all the crap is going to start hitting the fan. Murray is naming names including another doctor involved with the Lakers . . . Another part of the entertainment industry.

    Remember the drugs administered to Ivan in the Rocky IV movie?

    This is not an isolated incident. I want to see it ALLL come out!!!

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  16. Truthbtold said - "I am guessing that he would not have trusted anybody (hired help) to be alone in his space to clean up/organize his belongings."

    ........ You know, for some reason, this is just cute to me. I worked for an envirnmental banking firm once on a temporary basis, helping them to reorganize their filing system because they were beginning to branch out a new business. One of the lawyers I created powerpoint presentations for was this scruffy-haired, completely aloof but intensely focused individual who was pretty much legendary in this office. He knew environmental banking and forest/land management backward and forward and the law surrounding that. I learned a lot from him. But he was also legendary for the mess in his office.

    One day as I began working on the recoding and tabbing of the files in his department, I found a lot of the files were missing. I asked the other lawyers and the two accountants that worked in that section and they said "Check Bob's office" (sudden fear . . .) He was away and sure enough, the COLUMNS of paper stacks on the floor in his office were the ones i was looking for. So I took them to my desk bit by bit, went through them and coded them accordingly.

    While I was working on it I found a picture of a diagram of the Unites States with tons of hub lines criss-crossing the country. It was a picture in an ad for United Airways. I printed it out, taped it to his door and wrote underneath "Bob's Itinerary next week" to which the whole office got a good laugh (he was always traveling across country to look at property and evaluate wetlands and tracks of forests).

    When he got back, he loved the "note" on his door, but then I got the dickens . . . because I had "ORGANIZED" his "mess" he couldn't find anything, LOL!

    That guy reminds me of Michael.

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  17. Bonnie,Hi,Linda here. Yep! ..it's about to hit the fan. What I caught..Germany,doctor's high fiveing(Morphine).Dr.David Adams(black doctor in Las Vegas),carries his bag with him to different locations. A Dr.Lee(she),(CherieLyn?)providing a cocktail through the veins,who works with the Lakers.
    Some other tidbits...carbon monoxide(present more likely in smoker's),the detective's receiving items from the family including empty cigarette packages(certainly not Michael). One other thing,in the pictures the saline bag is full.Is this a second bag(not mentioned)? They had a "lot" of urine on hand!Peace.Linda

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  18. Transcript P. 34 - C. Murray said about Propofol : "it is a sedative that could also be used for anesthesia". Noooooo!

    If Murray said the truth on Michael's medical past, those doctors who before him eventually treated Michael's sleep problem with Propofol knew perfectly they not only defrauded the medical standards but also endangered their patient's health. Arnold Klein, sorry, I do not trust him : corrupted. As Debbie Rowe once said (in other words) : "For Klein, unless you become his patient, you are nothing !"

    The Murray's case is very confused for now but Michael, who could still have accomplished great things, was somehow a DAMAGED man, morally & physically. As you said, Bonnie, ...for a looooong time !

    Michael's rooms : saddening. Maids, chef, guards, personal doctor, nanny, exclusive mansion, Louis XV furniture, but except for his children, Michael dies somewhat like an abandoned child. Hollywood is EVIL.

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  19. Bonnie said "Murray is naming names including another doctor involved with the Lakers . . . Another part of the entertainment industry."

    This must be Cherilyn Lee. I watched an interview with her - she said she was with Michael in March and April 2009, advising on nutrition and insomnia. She was providing some kind of vitamin mix via IV. Apparently, Michael was trying to sleep with the light on, music playing and the television on at the same time! He asked her about propofol. She did not give it to him and instead asked him to turn off the music etc, but he still couldn't sleep, so I think that is the reason he stopped using her services! She is also the person that was called on June 21 2009, when Michael was hot on one side of his body and cold on the other.

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  20. Hi, Bonnie

    If you want to watch again all the trial since day 1, I have found this youtube channel who has everything.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/JustMeSTKK

    I am watching it live everyday through OTRC livestream.

    I have changed my daily schedule to be able to watch it all, since I have the London time zone and when it starts in LA at 11am it is 5pm here in Portugal.

    I think that the prosecution is doing a very wonderful job and if nothing extraordinary happens until the end of the trial, Murray is going to serve the 4 year sentence.

    A very good weekend to you and your husband and to everyone else who reads your blog.

    Much love
    Ana Tavares

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  21. Line said - I hope you & your husband can rest this weekend & that this work colleague will make it !"

    Thank you very much Line. We think he will be okay but it will take long time to recover.

    "They treat me like a machine..." Yes, they've done that to him all his life. Remember page 324 in Jermaine's book, he talks about the family walking past Bob Jones who was trying to block him from seeing Michael, saying he was sleeping. When they got to the room, Michael was awake, glad to see them and hooked up to an IV bag. I will get more into that later, but we've covered this stuff before. . .

    Michael is not the only one they did this too.

    Murray's personal call to Sade Anding? Wasn't it SHE who called HIM? And according to her, Murray didn't do much talking, she was talking to HIM when she realized he was no longer on the line. After reading that transcript I'm not convinced that Murray is the bad guy here. The more I go over that transcript, the more I am seeing the value in the information it contains as to what kind of slugs were around Michael even before Murray was ever in the picture.

    Now according to both Murray's police interview AND the bodyguard Alvarez - THEY are the ones that lifted Michael from the bed to the floor. Listening to the 911 tape you can HEAR the EMS dispatcher TELLING THEM to move Michael to the floor BEFORE the paramedics got there.

    However, each of the two paramedics that testified TOLD A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT STORY as to where Michael was when they entered the room. Why? They even differed from each other.

    Paramedics work for the LA fire department. They get their direction from the UCLA medical center.

    Murray says he is the one that ordered the autopsy. Dr. Cooper said SHE is the one that ordered the autopsy. Dr. Murray's explanation of events in his questioning makes sense.

    On page 91 and 92 Murray discusses with Detectives WHY he suggested to the family that they order an autopsy. At this time remember NO CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION HAD BEGUN. If Murray had done anything wrong and thought he got away with something, why would he even bring that up?

    On page 95, Murray said that Jermaine, Randy Phillips, Frank DiLeo and a couple of lawyers wanted him to look over a press statement that Jermaine was going to make.

    All the people that were in the house on June 25 have thus far been unable to explain why THEY didn't call 911, how do we know that Murray did NOT yell to Kai chase to call 911 before rushing back upstairs? If he was busy working on Michael and had called or tried to get help from other people in the house (and security) and he BELIEVED IN GOOD FAITH that they HAD gotten help, that COULD explain why MURRAY HIMSELF didn't call 911.

    Kai Chase was asked to get security and didn't do it, how do we know she neglected to get 911 too?

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  22. Susanne said - "Now you make me very curious. What did you find out reading Jermaine's book? It seems like it it something you don't wanna know by your reaction."

    ......... Oh, EVERYTHING in Jermaine's book is what I want to know. It just shocks me that certain things are verified and they are ugly. You would have to read back to about June/July of this year in my blog to know why . . . Probably April and May too.
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    Linda said - "Yep! ..it's about to hit the fan. What I caught..Germany,doctor's high fiveing(Morphine).Dr.David Adams(black doctor in Las Vegas),carries his bag with him to different locations. A Dr.Lee(she),(CherieLyn?)providing a cocktail through the veins,who works with the Lakers."

    ......... Oh yeah. I can't comment further on this yet but there is a connection to them and something/someone else too. I don't think it's Cherilyn, she is a nurse practitioner. This other Dr. Lee I am currently researching now. I KNOW what they are talking about though - these concoctions. I remember reading about the vitamin B shots, but it's not always just vitamin B. Be back later on this stuff.

    When Murray said that Michael told him "They treat me like I'm a machine" . . . just picture it. This isn't AEG or JUST AEG he's talking about. AEG didn't have him long enough for this. Think History and Dangerous.

    The smokers - I got notes on that. No, Michael did not smoke. But someone else probably did. Since the bodyguards were never allowed in the house, not even to go to the bathroom? Who else would have been up there?
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    Line said - "Murray said about Propofol : "it is a sedative that could also be used for anesthesia". Noooooo! "


    ......... I agree, but remember, Murray is not an anesthesiologist. According to HIS testimony he had to get in touch with this Dr. Addams before he would even do it. It wasn't something he used on a regular basis and he's not an anesthesiologist so he very well could have been repeating what this other doctor told him. He mentions over and over that he doesn't like it.

    Line, this is all happening for a reason. Remember if they were doing this to Michael, he is NOT the only one. (Jackson's song . . . Torture. Go look at the video and find the lyrics. Tells you some things they already knew.)

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  23. Murray called Sade Anding, not the other way around. She testified to it at the preliminary hearing and at the trial.

    Murray said in the interview that he didn't call 911 because he knew the address to the house, but he didn't know the zip code! He also said that security wasn't allowed in the house and they had to use the bathroom at the gas station. Actually they were allowed in the house, they weren't allowed upstairs, and they used the bathroom on the first floor.

    Murray said that he didn't ask Michael Amir Williams to call 911 because "he would want to know what it was about". Maybe all the people in the house assumed that the doctor had already called 911, since he didn't ask anyone else to do it until Alvarez was in the room.

    There was no choice about who would order an autopsy. At that point Dr. Cooper was MJ's doctor, not Murray.

    Dr. Adams' attorney said that he will sue Murray, that he never said the thngs Murray claimed, and that he warned Murray about using propofol.

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  24. Ana Tav said - "I have changed my daily schedule to be able to watch it all, since I have the London time zone and when it starts in LA at 11am it is 5pm here in Portugal."

    ..... That trial IS my daily schedule, LOL! Michael has been my daily schedule for the last two years plus (save a family function here and there). My husband would really like me to find something a little more lucrative but I can't ignore what happened to me and how I was led to seek the truth.

    I'm not that confident that Murray is going to spend any time in Jail and the prosecution, although at times a little less irritating than Flanagan, has witnesses that are not credible. Reasonable doubt the size of a cavern exists just on the fact that the house was left unsecured for four days before they finally ruled it a crime scene. Anyone could have gotten in there and added, planted or contaminated evidence. To be honest with you, I am more concerned with what was BEHIND Murray and Michael's past. We have officials in California that have been PROVEN to be for sale. What makes you think any of that has changed just because Sneddon is no longer D.A.?

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  25. @Anonymous - "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhRehuyidn4

    Okay she is the one that Murray called (not the one that called Murray and didn't get him). Judging by this testimony, Murray was in the room with Michael when he called her because they weren't on the phone long when she realized he was no longer on the phone, he had dropped it.

    The bathroom issue with the security - Didn't Murray say in the police interview that the security were allowed in to use the downstairs bathroom AFTER he talked to Michael about that?

    Also - Security testified to helping Michael carry gifts he would get from fans and paperwork he took home with him, and leave them on the bottom two stairs of the stairway going upstairs. (I can't imagine Michael not letting people use the bathroom either.)

    You said - "Murray said that he didn't ask Michael Amir Williams to call 911 because "he would want to know what it was about". Maybe all the people in the house assumed that the doctor had already called 911, since he didn't ask anyone else to do it until Alvarez was in the room."

    ...... Good point, but if Murray was giving chest compressions SOMEONE had to call 911. I agree that NOT calling 911 just because you don't know a zip code is a really stupid reason. Murray said he told (he thought the cook's name was Rosie) Kai Chase to get help and call 911 on the transcript. Not sure who I believe on that one because Kai Chase lied too.

    You said - "There was no choice about who would order an autopsy. At that point Dr. Cooper was MJ's doctor, not Murray."

    ...... No not a choice, Murray SUGGESTED to the family to order an autopsy. Come to think of it weren't two done? One ordered by (whoever wants to take credit) and one ordered by the family?

    You said - "Dr. Adams' attorney said that he will sue Murray, that he never said the thngs Murray claimed, and that he warned Murray about using propofol."

    ......... You believe Dr. Addams? I don't. It is more than evident that Michael was IV'd throughout his whole career practically. Jermaine testifies to it in his book WAY BEFORE MURRAY WAS IN THE PICTURE.

    You're going to see a lot of reactions like that anonymous because people that have been HURTING MICHAEL FOR DECADES are now finally getting their names mentioned!

    It sounded to me that Murray absolutely did not want to do this! And Michael had doctors way before Murray feeding him cocktails. I'm PISSED!!!

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  26. Folks - I hate to devote ANY time to Charles Thomson, but he's now posting a "first time released" press conference he says he did with James Brown in 2006. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm6pV-QkHD0

    The problem with this is, James brown looked like THIS just a month after:

    http://www.starpulse.com/Music/Brown,_James/gallery/SPX-004540/

    While attending a UK Music Hall of Fame on Nov. of 2006. http://www.starpulse.com/Music/Brown,_James/gallery/SPX-004541/

    And this one: http://www.starpulse.com/Music/Brown,_James/gallery/SPX-004539/

    Check that photo above and the video stopped at 0:50.

    Who is the guy in the video because it's not James Brown. It doesn't even sound like him.

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  27. This is from MIMI who is having trouble posting:


    Bonnie – we have heard from some for so long how Michael was sick and no one was caring for him during the time of him being prepared for the concert. But now this trial confirmed to us that Michael was not sick with some kind of bodily diseases; what Michael had was SLEEP DEPREVATION.

    Of course being deprived of natural sleep can give symptom of fatigue, felling cold or hot, confusion and lose of appetite. We human suppose to sleep naturally with having deep sleep with rapid eyes movement. However, Michael, according Dr. Murray tape, was sleeping (put under) with the propofol for at least three month almost every night. This practice under any circumstances would NOT give him the natural sleep that his body desires, and that was why he experienced as Kenny Ortega said cold, hot, fatigue.

    The point I want to make is those who think they know him concluded as if he had some king of disease without specifically telling us what was that he was sick of. This erroneous assumption “he was really sick and pushed to continue the rehearsal by those who want to profit from the concert” was debunked with this trial. His SLEEP DEPREVATION wasn’t detected by anyone who was around him during the rehearsal. When Kenny noticed Michael wasn’t feeling well, he immediately addressed it as we learned from the trial, but he did not even know Michael’s problem was not having enough natural sleep like we all have each night. Dr. Murray should have come at least tell everyone concerned about him having difficulty not having a good night sleep naturally each night when he was approached to talk to him what was going on. Instead he pushed them away not to address the problem. At least that’s what Kenny testifies in court that Murray told him to mind his business and to live Michael’s health to him.

    Each night I go to sleep, I think about Michael and say what would be the reason he lost his ability to sleep, and he has to rely on pharmaceutical medicines to get his rest. That is so sad to me, and I hate medicine.

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  28. BONNIE said : "Remember if they were doing this to Michael, he is NOT the only one."

    Correct & I too referred to it previously. So I too am now perplexed on C. Murray. Nevetheless, I think that not only he made some lies but also did not reveal all the truth. C. Murray required/recommended an autopsy : good point for him, but don't you think that Michael Jackson's death - with or without C. Murray's recommendation- could be botched like that without any autopsy ?

    Another built-up scenario of mine now : Murray worked mainly during the night & early part of the morning for Michael (not easy) so could it be that after the fatal injection of June 25, 2009 he fell asleep & when he woke up, it was too late ? Instead of calling immediately the 911, he first tried to reanimate Michael while calculating after how exactly he was going to react with people upon the fatal discovery in order to minimize his responsibility ? Could Murray have made up his frantic shouting at Kai Chase when in fact Michael was dead long before ? Again, I'm not sure at all of this but should it even be that way, Murray would be guilty of non assistance to endangered person.

    Michael Flanagan's cross examination of Kai Chase Day 3, Part 16 Get security, get help, get Prince

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v4DDCh_c78&feature=related

    Mr. Flanagan may have reptilian eyes & use manipulative silences at times but his cross-examination was actually good : Chase's version is fishy. Had you seen this hearing's part already ? I just found it this morning.

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  29. Mimi said - "what Michael had was SLEEP DEPREVATION."

    ......... True, and we're not even sure this was ever an issue during rehearsals. Historically Michael had sleep problems (according to Jermaine in his book) during PERFORMANCES . . . AND not during his Jackson 5 days. He only heard about this during his solo career? Why would he not get dehydrated during his Jackson5 and The Jackson's days and only during his solo career?

    Why did he only need IV's during his solo career?

    Why did sleep problems only crop up during his solo career?

    Jermaine said in his book he was SHOCKED when he walked into Michael's hotel room on a surprise visit (after Bob Scummy Jones tried to stop him) and was surprised by what he saw . . . Michael hooked up to an IV! So this was NOT THE NORM! (I'm getting angry again, God help me!)

    Mimi said - "However, Michael, according Dr. Murray tape, was sleeping (put under) with the propofol for at least three month almost every night. This practice under any circumstances would NOT give him the natural sleep that his body desires"

    ....... Yes, which tells me that Doctor Murray was at least CONCERNED. He also testified that Michael had extensive knowlege about pharmaceuticals . . . I put that into the back of my mind for later. I don't believe Dr. Murray was a willing participant in drugging Michael and was indeed concerned about it.

    Mimi said - "When Kenny noticed Michael wasn’t feeling well, he immediately addressed it as we learned from the trial, but he did not even know Michael’s problem was not having enough natural sleep like we all have each night."

    ...... Kenny's testimony, I'm going to assume, because he wasn't questioned about Michael's past habits yet (possibly defense time), that Kenny KNEW that Michael had sleep problems in the past. I also cannot discount Kenny's "when he came back he was energized, he was focused, he was another Michael". He wasn't the only person to say something like that.

    Remember we don't know what Murray told or tried to tell people. He wasn't asked about that during his police interview and he hasn't had a chance to testify yet, nor the witnesses for his side.

    We will see what Murray's witnesses will fill in during that Carolwood meeting. I'm real interested in that.

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  30. Line said - "I think that not only he made some lies but also did not reveal all the truth. "

    ..... I agree that Murray did not reveal all the truth. But if it were you sitting there being asked these questions and you didn't know you were a suspect yet, Would you have been able to recall every detail of every second of what happened as you were trying to save someone's life, including times you did certain things? I wouldn't! I would have been too frazzled. My focus would have been on trying to revive NOT what time somebody came up the stairs or what time 911 was called.

    I used to think Alvarez was the one that was lying, but now I think it is the paramedics because they replayed that 911 call and that disbatcher was CERTAINLY telling Alvarez that they needed to "get him on the floor" and this was BEFORE paramedics arrived!

    Did Murray and Alverez put him BACK on the bed, take him off, put him back on the bed, and then let each paramedic see something different as they came in the door? I don't think so. (This is NUTS!)

    You said - "he fell asleep & when he woke up, it was too late ? Instead of calling immediately the 911,"

    ......... This can't be the case, because he was on the phone off and on during this time.

    He may have falsified his "frantic" call to Kai, but she is the one that admitted that she did not get security after SHE SAID that Murray told her to get security. So between the two of them I believe she is the one that didn't do what she should have done. She testified that she told Prince "I think something's wrong with your father" yet she doesn't get security? Like Prince could drive his dad to the hospital? That makes no sense to me.

    We also don't know if she was drugging Michael's food on top of everything else because none of THAT was tested. Latoya testified to seeing crumbs from a sandwhich and soup left on a dresser outside his room. Kai testified that she left soup that was untouched by either Murray (she cooks for Murray?) OR Michael and she thought that was strange.

    We know that the "crime scene" was unsecured for four days before they DEEMED it a crime scene. Anyone could have planted or altered evidence.

    I agree. Flanagan did a good job cross examining Chase.

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  31. Hi Bonnie. Maybe it was all his plastic surgery that started the drog/medicine dependency. It started during his solo career. I guess he was introduced to propofol when he had plastic surgery. Don't forget that Lupus is a painful disease. So the sleeping problem wasn't the only issue. He had to take painkillers to deal with pain because of plastic surgery and Lupus disease. Susanne

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  32. Bonnie said "Latoya testified to seeing crumbs from a sandwich and soup left on a dresser outside his room. Kai testified that she left soup that was untouched by either Murray (she cooks for Murray?) OR Michael and she thought that was strange."

    Oh yes, I didn't even think about that - Kai said she made Tuscan bean soup for Michael for that morning. Remember Kai also said in an interview that he liked his lunches Saran wrapped - I wonder if that was because he was worried about people drugging his food?
    I wonder if he had his breakfasts and dinners Saran wrapped too?

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  33. Bonnie, what I find highly suspect is the fact that a lot of people were saying that Michael wasn't sleeping because he was worried about this tour and it all stemmed from his financial situation and really the underlying reason for even doing this tour was supposedly his dire financial straits. But, that recording that Murray made had Michael saying that he was going to give millions to the children that he loved and that he was going to build a Michael Jackson hospital for those children which would take millions to build I'm sure. If he was indeed worried about his finances wouldn't that fact have been uppermost in his mind? I'm sure that would have been what he would have been talking about if he was in that half drugged state and not giving away millions of dollars. But in fact he talked about what was really on his mind, how he loved children and how he had lost his childhood. I think those stories about him not sleeping because of this tour and because he was worried are just that: stories to cover up a planned murder. Someone or someones were drugging him and planned to kill him. The cover up is the story about his worrying and self medicating. Find out who those unidentified finger prints belong to and I think you might have the killer. Also, why were no finger prints found on so many items that should have had finger prints on them? Sounds like someone wiped the stuff so that there would be no finger prints and they missed a few. Don't want to sound all "CSI-like" but what other explanation is there? This is such a convoluted mess.

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  34. Bonnie, and another thing....that tribute concert. I've looked at a few pictures and read a few articles about it this morning and all I feel is....disgust. Why now? I read a comment that said the participants wanted to take everyone's mind off Michael's death and focus it on his music?? Now?? I thought it was in bad taste when I first heard it and my opinion hasn't changed, in fact, I'm even more disgusted now.....unless.....the only way it makes sense to do a tribute concert now is if Michael is in fact alive. And his kids... I'm sorry, but from the very beginning, Michael's kids have adjusted to him being "dead" so well. For him to have been the only parent they knew, they have adjusted to him being gone amazingly well...too well, in my opinion....unless....again the only way it makes sense is if Michael is in fact alive. And then they took part in this tribute too. I swear I don't know what to think, really, but if this isn't another fact pointing toward Michael being alive, I don't know what is...it totally doesn't make sense any other way....I continue to try to figure this all out and my head continues to spin.

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  35. Hi Bonnie. I thought about that too. The soup was in the fridge, the soup was outside MJ's room. But MJ was not in his bedroom. He was in the so called propofol room. Dr.Murray said he was hungry when he left the hospital. Maybe he went back to MJ's house and ate his soup, ha ha. Jermaine said that MJ was a master of manipulating the press. That statement makes you go hmmmmm. In what way did he manipulate the press? Didn't Lisa say the same thing. In the police Interview with Murray they are mentioning a detective Porche with gray hair and a fedora hat. There was a man with gray hair and fedora hat a the memorial and also at the funeral. Was the man at the memorial/funeral detective Porche? If that is the case, why did they invite a dectective to the memorial and the funeral? And why does the man at the memorial and the man at the funeral look like two different persons? Susanne

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  36. Hi Bonnie. Kenny said that one night at the rehearsals MJ repeatedly asked Kenny if he was going to leave him. Kenny said that MJ acted like a lost boy that night. It reminded me of MJ saying that his dad once said that if you ever stop singing and dancing I will drop you like a hot potato. MJ said, - You don't say that to a child. And I never forgot that. You said that you didn't recall Kenny saying that in his testimony. He wrote it in the email to Randy Phillips. What Kenny said makes you realize that MJ'S childhood really messed him up and gave him deep emotional wounds that never healed. Susanne

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  37. HLN's coverage of the Conrad Murray trial is reality TV at its best. Its not just a convoluted mess but a "HOT CONVOLUTED MESS"!!!!

    Friday was the clincher when the court room camera zoomed in on the corner of the deputy cubicle were a toy laughing/grinning donkey or hyena looked back at the camera. It actually looked like that costume head that Michael put on in Speed Demon, big teeth and all. Not to mention the large elephant with tusk on the filing cabinet and the small elephant with its backside facing the camera when the clerk swears in witnesses. I also saw a pink panther on the counter behind the defense attorney on the first day. I mean really??? LOL

    You mentioned Dr Adam's attorney calling in and his voiced changed briefly during the interview. Hmmm LOL

    Not to mention the fan Sharon who thinks MJ may have been kidnapped. That is the fan that called Joe on the 25th. I believe Sharon is actually Joe's daughter Jovonnie Jackson.

    It is so many other things with this trial that makes it crazy. The autopsy report didn't mention the burn on his head so was the body actually Michaels?

    Jermaine said on Joy Behar that they knew were Michael was and that he is safe. Jermaine also asked her again if she called his brother a pedophile. This is the second time he asked her that question.

    If you watched the interview of Branca and Weitzman they confirmed that Michael was not in debt but his estate is worth billions. The ATV and MiJack catalogues are the "cornerstone" of his "vast" holdings.

    A Dr Farshan(sp) was on Dr Drew trying to explain Michael going through rehab before the children were born but he was drowned out. GOOD NEWS DOES NOT SELL, remember who said that?

    I feel that truths are being revealed in this trial about Michael and the system that he worked in and with but also his reputation is being restored.

    Have you seen Sony's new ad? Here is a youtube link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z18BOdZK2Ss

    Listen to what they are saying...also the burning clown head....and the phrase, "long live Michael"...Hmmmm

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  38. @Bonnie - "The bathroom issue with the security - Didn't Murray say in the police interview that the security were allowed in to use the downstairs bathroom AFTER he talked to Michael about that?"

    He said that security wasn't allowed in the house, even to use the bathroom, and he thought that was inhumane. But they were always allowed in the house. They weren't supposed to go upstairs.

    "I agree that Murray did not reveal all the truth. But if it were you sitting there being asked these questions and you didn't know you were a suspect yet, Would you have been able to recall every detail of every second of what happened as you were trying to save someone's life, including times you did certain things?"

    Murray knew he was a suspect. That's why Chernoff was with him during the interview. In going back to read the transcript, I noticed it's Chernoff who introduces certain subjects and people, not Murray. The interview was just two days after Michael died. No reason why Murray could not have recalled everything that happened. Murray never mentioned any of the phone calls, but he probably remembered them.

    "I don't believe Dr. Murray was a willing participant in drugging Michael and was indeed concerned about it."

    Then why do you think he did it?

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  39. Hi Bonnie. Was the police Interview recorded in a restaurant? When you listening to the Interview from the court you hear all kinds of noices in the background. Laughter, People talking loudly, whistling, music etc. Dr.Murray disappeared for a couple of days so he had time to come up with a story. When he is talking to the police he sounds like he was talking about the weather. If you didn't know what happened you would not think he was talking about a dead man. He also seems to blame everybody except himself for what happened. Susanne

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  40. Susanne said - "Maybe it was all his plastic surgery that started the drog/medicine dependency. It started during his solo career. I guess he was introduced to propofol when he had plastic surgery. "

    ........ I wouldn't be surprised if that was also something he was 'talked into' by various handlers. Everyone that has ever had surgery has probably been subject to propofol. You don't get addicted to propofol and that is what people keep forgetting. It is not an addictive drug. It is out of your system as fast as it takes affect to put you to sleep. It wasn't propofol that he was dependent on.

    In the research I have done thus far, other issues with drugs have cropped up . . . performance type drugs and "energy" concoctions that Murray started to touch on in his taped conversation with police. I believe we will hear the rest of that tape on Tuesday. (Holiday here in the U.S. Columbus Day - no court)

    When someone "infuses" you with something that races your adreneline, you need something to bring you back down . . . This is probably what they were doing to him during his tours that enabled him to put on a show, go back to the hotel, visit children's hospitals and dignitaries of countries, etc... Propofol may very well have been the only thing that would put him down. Murray said something about Michael telling him he required 15 to 18 hours of sleep . . . NOBODY needs that kind of sleep. I will get more into that later.

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  41. PrincessGlam said - "I wonder if that was because he was worried about people drugging his food?
    I wonder if he had his breakfasts and dinners Saran wrapped too? "

    ....... I like my lunches saran wrapped too. I saran wrap my husband's lunches . . . although he takes his to work with him. Does this mean there were two soups? Because one was supposedly still in the fridge untouched, and then there was one bowl upstairs on a dresser outside his room with the crumbs of a sandwich (and which room was it outside of?)
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    Deb said - "Michael wasn't sleeping because he was worried about this tour and it all stemmed from his financial situation and really the underlying reason for even doing this tour was supposedly his dire financial straits. But, that recording that Murray made had Michael saying that he was going to give millions to the children that he loved and that he was going to build a Michael Jackson hospital "

    ........ Yes, things start to appear with more clarity, like his true financial situation. Stories made up to cover a planned murder? Yes! Now look back at who was spreading those rumors with gusto - TINI? Stalker babes with the crazy eyes? Look at that campaign they had ready to go the day he passed? The interview they had on CNN. The web site hosted by the VIP company on Sony servers! Who had the most to lose if Michael was killed? Certainly not AEG. The got nothing if he died. But Sony? They got a catalog that their buddy Branca, with his fake will could make millions controlling and managing for them.

    to be cont.....

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  42. Deb said - "Find out who those unidentified finger prints belong to and I think you might have the killer. Also, why were no finger prints found on so many items that should have had finger prints on them?"

    ......... I agree with you, there are prints (more than one) on that bag and they need to test more people. I'm of the opinion that there wasn't a real murder but that doesn't mean that one wasn't planned. Michael had known they wanted to kill him for years because they would lose everything. I remember Jermaine's interview where he told Arabian T.V. that Michael "got too powerful". I wonder what me meant by that? I don't think it had to do with just his humanitarian efforts. Michael used to talk about the power of the human mind and prayer. I want to know what it is that he learned. He was a major threat to them, the knowledge he has of what they were doing and planning to do. I think we are going to see something incredible.

    Deb said - "I feel is....disgust. Why now? I read a comment that said the participants wanted to take everyone's mind off Michael's death and focus it on his music?? Now??"

    ........ Deb, I cried when I saw those pictures of his children on stage. That was my first initial reaction. All kinds of things run through your mind when you see Michael's children on stage, acting like this trial doesn't even matter. I saved a picture of Blanket with a tear coming out of his eye and I lost it. I was going to do a blog on it and thought better of it. I don't know what they are doing, but since I believe he is alive and I remember Prince saying during the childrens' first public appearance with Lionel Ritchie that he thanked God for protecting them in the last "couple of months".

    Yeah . . . God's involved in this.

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  43. Susanne said - "The soup was in the fridge, the soup was outside MJ's room. But MJ was not in his bedroom. He was in the so called propofol room. Dr.Murray said he was hungry when he left the hospital. Maybe he went back to MJ's house and ate his soup, ha ha."

    ......... That's cute. Yes, yes, yes . . . Michael was in the propofol room, so who's soup was outside the room that no one was allowed to go into? Why was no one allowed in that room? It was a bedroom! Michael had office space for what he didn't want people to get into.

    I also remember Murray commenting on security not being allowed in the house. Is this reminiscent of what he had to put up with at Neverland and didn't trust security detail inside his house? Did he know they were indeed working for someone else and not in his own interests? Or did he just want it to appear that way? Manipulator? Let's just say that the video of him playing chess with Prince being put on Youtube was probably no accident.

    Man in the Fedora. I couldn't believe the detective said that. Big smile in this face when I read that.

    Did you ever read my "Curtain Call for Norma Jean" blog post? It's linked up on the right navigation bar.
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    Susanne said - "What Kenny said makes you realize that MJ'S childhood really messed him up and gave him deep emotional wounds that never healed."

    I don't doubt that Joe said things to his boys out of fear of them turning up dead in Gary somewhere, or to keep them motivated. Right or wrong he probably did say some mean things. But I don't recall Michael ever needing drugs or IV's for hydration when he was performing with the Jackson 5 or as "The Jacksons" either. Seems to me Joe wasn't as much as a slave driver as the people that were around Michael later. But I do think there were times that Michael blamed Joe for making him feel that dependent on approval that these people were able to manipulate him.

    I don't believe Joe would have ever wanted his son dead or driven to death for a buck. And I know from past interviews with Joe that he KNEW people were trying to split up the family and harm Michael. Joe was also asked during an interview if there was anything he regretted and he said "getting them into the entertainment business". This family has been ravaged. Joe just wanted his boys to be a success. He didn't want this.

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  44. Anonymous said - "Friday was the clincher when the court room camera zoomed in on the corner of the deputy cubicle were a toy laughing/grinning donkey or hyena looked back at the camera. It actually looked like that costume head that Michael put on in Speed Demon, big teeth and all."

    .......... Yes I saw that. Bunch of fruitcakes, LOL! You have a lot of issues to address in your post. I'll have to do it paragraph by paragraph:

    You said - "Not to mention the fan Sharon who thinks MJ may have been kidnapped. That is the fan that called Joe on the 25th. "

    I don't know who this is. Everyone that says they are a fan that is close to the family I have made it a habit to ignore for the most part. That's only because most of them have seemed to have self interests in getting close to the family. I don't trust all of them.

    You said - "The autopsy report didn't mention the burn on his head so was the body actually Michaels?"

    No, and it didn't mention a scar on his leg from a spider bite either. Good points to consider.

    You said - "Jermaine said on Joy Behar that they knew were Michael was and that he is safe. "
    .......... He said this on Larry King days after he passed too.

    You said - "Branca and Weitzman they confirmed that Michael was not in debt but his estate is worth billions."

    .......... I did watch that interview and that's not what I heard. They sort of sidestepped this issue of his "debt" by stating that the "catalog being the cornerstone" of his wealth along with mention of the Mijac. Most know Michael has much more than that. Branca has hired bloggers that have attacked Michael's family. I don't like him.

    "A Dr Farshan(sp) was on Dr Drew trying to explain Michael going through rehab before the children were born but he was drowned out."

    Farshan was the doctor that was mentioned during the 2007 "drug deposition". Who drowned him out? I didn't see that interview.

    Sony's ad . . . scary. I will refer to "Michael" about my feelings on that . . . .

    "Take me, shake me, somebody's gonna fake me".

    I wish this story were that simple, but it's not. We still have a wee bit to go.

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  45. Anonymous said - "Then why do you think he did it?"

    ........ I don't think he did. There are certain parts of that interview that people are missing. Murray and Chernoff already knew, I believe, what they were doing to say to police. Murray brings up uses of propofol telling police that it is also used for chronically ill patients, as a sedative so they can rest, adding "it's being used, you know..." Why would Murray offer that unless Murray had used propofol for a chronically ill patient? A hospice patient? Someone who just needed to be comfortable before they died?

    Perhaps THIS security wasn't allowed in the house? Who is it that said Security was allowed in the house?

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  46. Susanne said - "Was the police Interview recorded in a restaurant? When you listening to the Interview from the court you hear all kinds of noices in the background. Laughter, People talking loudly, whistling, music etc."

    It was taped in a meeting room close to a banquet hall in the Ritz Carlton in Marina Del Ray.

    We have not heard the rest of the tape yet, so Murray blaming everyone else for what happened? Not sure what you mean by that. What did he say to make you think that?

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  47. Bonnie said, ".......... I did watch that interview and that's not what I heard. They sort of sidestepped this issue of his "debt" by stating that the "catalog being the cornerstone" of his wealth along with mention of the Mijac. Most know Michael has much more than that. Branca has hired bloggers that have attacked Michael's family. I don't like him."

    Branca also said he could not reveal confidential information but Michael made alot and spent alot but he also left alot to show for it. He also said that reports say that the ATV catalogue alone is worth 2 billion and Michael owns half of that. Really its not our business to know all the intimate details but I think it is safe to say that he was not as broke, if broke at all, as reported. Asset rich and cash poor maybe but I doubt that too.

    You said, "Farshan was the doctor that was mentioned during the 2007 "drug deposition". Who drowned him out? I didn't see that interview.

    The other talking heads on the show. I think he should be interviewed alone.

    Also the interview on Dr Drew of Dr Treacy from Ireland was interesting. He thought that it may have more to do with the insurance payout if he died from murder vs OD.

    As for the fan named Sharon, she was interviewed on HLN by Jane Valez. She looks like Joe's daughter Jovonnie Jackson that lives in Las Vegas.

    I am not insensitive because Michael may be dead but at this point I have very serious doubts. Either someone is playing games or someone or many are trying to cover up. With toys in the courtroom and elephants placed around something is definitly strange to say the least.

    Think about how Michael is dominating, news network dedicated to the trial, Cirque show getting rave reviews and some of the commercials aired during the trial is very Michael and Sony's new ad....Mmmmm its alot going on...Reminds me of Branca's comment that Michael was a master at advertising and marketing.

    I am looking forward to see how this will play out. Wonder what the defense has up its sleeve so to speak. I will not be surprised if the jury hangs or Murray is aquitted.

    I can't help but think about what Teddy Riley said on Oprah, Michael is sitting back loving all the confusion and having a good laugh. I hope so...

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  48. Bonnie said, "They got a catalog that their buddy Branca, with his fake will could make millions controlling and managing for them."

    Thats true but as smart as Michael was/is I cannot see him not having a more recent will and making sure a copy was with another attorney. If Lopez had the new will as some have suggested would it not have been with his other documents to be found. Alot could be said about this subject but I don't think Michael would be that careless especially after all he went through.

    Branca was correct when he said Michael was a student of Motown and Barry Gordy among others. He was smart enough and managed to hold on to all his assets in shark infested waters but again anything is possible.

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