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Friday, October 28, 2011

Michael Jackson, Doctors and Elephants



Day 19 Conrad Murray Michael Jackson Trial
All Elephants Please Stand Up




Job 11:3
Should thy lies make men hold their peace? and when thou mockest, shall no man make thee ashamed?

Proverbs 6:19
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Isaiah 28:15
Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:


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Be such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing.
http://proverb.taiwanonline.org/blank.gifThomas Paine


Chernoff Directs Dr Waldman.
Expert on prescription Drug addictions and Dependency

- Chernoff asks about symptoms of addiction, specifically addiction to Demoral.  Symptoms of withdrawal are sweating, chills, temperature deregulation, diarrhea, anxiety, nausea, stomach cramps, like the worst case of influenza they’ve ever had.

- Benzodiazepines are used to help with symptoms of withdrawal, including Atavan/Lorazapam.   Those that are successfully withdrawing will tell the doctor they need less and less medication.

- Rapid detox using high doses opiate antagonizers.  He doesn’t do it because his treatment also involves individual and group therapy.  He feels it’s a risky way to treat addiction and doesn’t really address the problem.

- Detox dangers he says, occur because when you remove the opiod the receptors go into hyper overdrive.  Heart rate, blood pressure elevation, agitation, crawling skin, severe bone pain and muscle pain, symptoms that have to be treated.

- General anesthesia is required sometimes to detox from opiod addiction and they go through withdrawal symptoms under sedation.  You need ventilation support, this is primarily used in rapid detox.

- Murray is falling asleep.  (so am I).

Chernoff shows Dr. Arnold Klein’s records.  Botox, Restalin and 100 mg of Demoral is written twice.  Waldman standard of care for these procedures would not be necessary for using an Opiate.  These would be heavy doses.  200 mgs would be surprising, it’s a large dose.  100mgs was given 30 minutes after the last 100mgs.  Walden says someone who hadn’t recently had Demoral would be hard to arouse, would be disoriented.

March 17th records


- Above Waldman identifies records as similar treatment but without the botox.  Demoral shots both 100mg’s an hour apart.





Both days on above record, 200mg of Demoral and 1mg of Midazolam are given each day.


April 15th is 2mg of Midazolam and 200 mg of Demoral with shots for perspiration for underarms.


April 17th Michael gets the same 200mg of Demoral.



Waldman says this shows evidence of increasing dosage.  Chernoff asks if Waldman has ever given 375 mgs of Demoral, Waldman says no.



Between 21, 22 and 23 of April Klein has given a total of 300, 375 and 100. 775 mgs of Demoral total.


300 mmg of Demoral





-Chernoff asks if Waldman formed an opinion that based on the records Michael was not only dependent on Demoral but dependent on them.  This is based on 6 weeks of frequent, high dose use would make anyone dependent on opiods.

May 5th (no more pictures)
300mgs of Demoral 2mgs of Midazolam

- Chernoff does not see any signatures or initials from a doctor on the records.  May 6th 300mgs of Demoral and May 5th another 300mgs.  May 4th 300mgs were provided so in three days 900 mgs of Demoral.

-Chernoff goes to May 19th and May 20th

Michael recieved 200mmg each day of Demoral plus 2mg of Versed and on one of those days 300mmg's 200 at one time and 100 about 90 minutes later on May 21 and May 22nd.

- June 1st, June 3rd, all the way through June 22nd show 200 mgs of Demoral and the Midazolam.  (there were gaps of day in between during June that Michael did not go to Klein's).

- What complaints has he seen from people who are addicted to Demoral/opiods.  He said withdrawal results in overactive bodily activities, restlessness, sweating, chills, insomnia.  Very common complaint is insomnia with virtually every patient.

- Can last weeks or months, insomnia is chronic.  Chernoff asks if someone is going through withdrawal with the symptoms, what is the easiest way to treat those symptoms.  Waldman says providing an opiate.  If an individual was physically dependent any opiod would relieve symptoms of withdrawal.

- Chernoff asks him to assume someone was suffering withdrawal from the 20th, would a shot on the 22nd relieve those symptoms.  Waldman says yes.  If they didn’t get it the symptoms would come back.



Walgren crosses

- Waldman did not write a report or turn one over to the people.  Waldman asks if someone can be addicted to benzodiazepines.  Waldman says yes. 

- Walgren reviewed testimony of three witnesses, the autopsy report and Klein’s records.  Walgren asked if he asked for the defendants statement.  Waldman says that wasn’t relevant to his review of the administration of the Demoral

Waldman was aware of Murray administering Lorazapam but did not inquire into the amounts Murray ordered because he didn’t think they were pertinent.  (Walgren is still trying to suggest that all those drugs were for Michael alone).

- Waldman says Benzodiazepines and Opiods are not the same in withdrawal symptoms.  He said they can be similar depending on the patient.

- Walgren asks if Waldman’s diagnosis is based solely on Klein’s records alone or does it also include witness statements.  Waldman responds is based upon the record for dependency.  His opinion of addiction is based on the record and public record of behavior.

- Waldman would diagnose him as physically dependent based strictly on those records.   For addiction he would but would also look for other evidence to prove or disprove.  Walgren asks the same question again wanting just a yes or no answer and Waldman says ‘probably not’ (on just Klein’s records).

- Walgren asks about dialysis and Waldman explains it as taking someone’s blood and running it through an artificial kidney.  Involves diffusion of solutes.

Walgren is asking Waldman if he gives urine tests and lab tests.  Waldman explains that most clients that come to him WANT to be treated for the addiction and aren’t looking to hide their addiction, that he doesn’t force patients or treat them against their will, they come to him.  He admits that if they are admitted to a facility for withdrawal he does lab work which includes urinalysis.

-  Walgren asks if a doctor is not specialized in addiction shouldn’t they be contacting a specialist such as himself.  Waldman replies, they could unless they feel competent in treating that themselves and many of them do.


Midmorning break

Allegedly Michael, Allegedly coming out of Klein's office in June


Walgren continues cross of Waldman





- Waldman names several different clinics that he rotates working through.  He consults and he sees patients at all those facilities.  He also does dialysis.  He works a great deal of hours every week.

- Walgren keeps badgering about how many hours he works in dialysis. Waldman keeps trying to explain that it varies, he doesn’t have a set schedule. He rotates to different clinics as needed (this witness is tough!  Bordering on aggravating).

- Waldman doesn’t handle hostile witnesses very well.  He is extremely frustrated but does a pretty good job for a young guy to maintain his cool.

- Waldman explains that he doesn’t denigrate the treatment from previous doctors when a patient comes to him, because addiction is also the responsibility of the patient.  (Except when he comments under his breath the words “scumbag”?)

- Walgren asks if he has ever had a patient where he evaluated they did not have previous proper care.  Waldman says sometimes he has yes.

- Waldman explains that he doesn’t agree with what the web site says about treating physical and psychological addiction.  He says it involves a team approach, from family of the patient to group therapy, it’s not two stage.  Team approach multi factorial, a good doctor, psychiatrists, AA meetings with 12 step program.

- Walgren references Klein’s records in regard to the Restalin and the Botox treatments under the eyes, around the cheekbones, nose – Waldman said only occasional diagrams are shown.  (I am never, never getting this stuff done.  Never)

- Waldman says he hasn’t used Demoral in his own practice for two decades, there are now much safer medications to use.

- Walgren asks when you usually see withdrawals from the time they stop a dose.  It depends upon the amount of drug, what drug it is, and the individual.

- Walgren asks about June 22nd and when he would expect to see withdrawal symptoms in Michael.  Waldman says within a day.

- Walgren presents a chart that was not prepared by Dr. Waldman.  Chernoff objects to using a chart that has not been identified as to what it is.

- Walgren goes through the chart to check to make sure that the chart accurately reflects what is in the medical records of Klein.

- Most common symptom of withdraw is anxiety, insomnia.  Walgren asks about storage and proper handling of Lorazapam and Waldman says he has no experience in storage of Lorazapam.

- Walgren asks Waldman if it is a medical regulation requirement to keep adequate medical records.  Waldman says yes seven years.  He also says yes to proper storage of controlled medicines.

- On securing controlled substances should be in a locked cabinet, signatures going in and out, inventory maintained, to guard against theft and diversion.

- Who makes decisions on who gets type of medical care for addiction, doctor or patient?  Waldman says both.  Both have to agree on the treatment option.

- Waldman makes a good point about individualizing treatment  Walgren asks what he would do


Chernoff redirects

- Puts up the real chart





- Was Waldman concerned whether the records were complete at that time.  He said no, he assumed they were just submitted records.

- Chernoff asks about reviewing the medical records and compared to testimony of security who testified to when Michael had visited Klein’s and how often.  Waldman replies that the record did not match testimony of the bodyguards on frequency of Klein visits.

- Chernoff asks Waldman about the blocks of time when Michael receives high doses of Demoral, then blocks of time where there are no records.  Waldman says there are causes for concern especially without doctor signatures.

- Chernoff asks if consulting Klein or the nurses would help in determining if the records are complete.  Objection sustained on court’s previous ruling (what?  That Klein is untouchable?)

- Chernoff asks about patients who are uncooperative and Waldman responds that he does not take those patients if they refuse all options for treatment he presents.

- Walgren asks about drugs being locked up for controlled substances.    Waldman says yes for theft and for diversion and he adds, when others steal it to make money.


Walgren recross

- Walgren asks Waldman to go back to April 2nd in Kleins records.  200mg Demoral there was none on April 2nd.  Waldman says he gave the info to his secretary so it was his error.

- Walgren wants to beat up Waldman on the way he chose to make his bar chart, trying to make Dr. Waldman look incompetent because he didn’t put a key on a chart that he believed he himself only was going to read.

- April 20th discrepancy of dosages.  Waldman is asked to explain the chart for May which he does.

-Walgren asks about June 2nd entry is wrong, should be June 3rd.

- No visit on June 4th. 

- Waldman is extremely combative on answering, but he was not focused on Murray but on Michael’s specific opiate use.  He didn’t know when Michael started seeing Murray.

- Michael Jackson was not his patient.  Walgren is asking “You didn’t want to know who Jackson’s personal physician was.  Objections (2) was sustained.

- Walgren asks him if he was aware following public announcement that Murray was Michael’s personal physician.  There is a lot of back and forth on this as Walgren wants to direct the conversation toward Murray’s treatment, but Waldman keeps insisting that the scope of his focus was concentrated on the opiod addiction, Kleins records and witness testimony when Michael was leaving Kleins.  He was not hired to review and give opinion on Murray’s testimony.  Walgren gets a bit angry about that, but it is what it is.  He is trying to make Waldman out to be less than thorough, but Waldman very sternly keeps reminding him that he was hired for his expertise in addictions and was not asked about Murray, only Klein’s records.(Ooooh)


Chernoff redirect

- He asks Waldman who made up the charts.  Waldman responds that the original intent was not to introduce them as evidence but that the charts were made for Waldman’s own notes.  They had made corrections after going over medical records because the emailed records he originally made them from were hard to read.

- He did not do anything in regard to Murray, only to the opiod use because that was his area of expertise.

- No use on 20th but use on 21st of Demoral use.

- Chernoff has Waldman verify that he went by medical records, not the charts, the charts were only for his own personal use that got submitted into evidence.


My thoughts:

I am glad this witness is going through these records, and I am glad he is educating everyone on the dangers of Demoral, of addiction and explaining “dependency” with “addiction”, and even though I agree that there is a POSSIBILITY that Klein over-administered Demoral to Michael as per the records shown, I have some severe issues with the evidence:

No doctor’s initials or signatures on any of the entries.  Who put these records in Klein’s office?  Were they planted knowing that they were going to be subpoenaed?

Why is Klein making so much noise on facebook and publishing his complaints to the government that his records were “stolen” when a subpoena is a perfectly legal method of obtaining records?

There are people that have testified to seeing Michael come out of Klein’s office on various visits speaking slowly or slurred, acting “high”.  Could this have been planted to implicate Klein by the very people behind the raid?

The recording of Michael on May 10th (if genuine) was days after a Demoral shot (if the records are genuine) and it wasn’t because of Demoral . . . so what caused it (if anything?).

I originally believed that Klein got Michael hooked on Demoral and that still may or may not be true. But there are chunks of time missing on these records that do not match up with testimony from body guards and previous timelines.  There is also the very glaring issue that Klein’s signature AND/OR INITIALS do not appear on these documents.

The defense is using these as a possibility that Michael was at the very least, dependent on Demoral HOWEVER there was no Demoral found in his system during the autopsy.

This means that:

Either the autopsy is corrupt.
Those records are corrupt.
The records were planted before the raid
Klein doesn’t sign his records.

I am still of the opinion that Michael was well past being dependent on ANY drug.  If the family knows “what’s going on”, most assuredly Michael did too.  Michael is an intelligent man, he has children and they were his life.  My opinion is he would have never allowed it to happen.  Not to mention the Demoral does not show up in the autopsy results.  (This does not mean he couldn't go through withdrawals but I still believe he is healthy).

Is it possible that Michael visited Klein knowing Klein was going to try to get him hooked on Demoral?  Would he do this voluntarily to expose him?  I don’t know . . . seems awful risky, but that also is a possibility.  Lots of questions there.

Klein and Metzger are buddies.  Metzger said he told Michael to call Klein and him when he got back to L.A.  Metzger is about as warm an ice pick.  I can’t see Michael letting his children anywhere near him.  Klein is floundering around on his facebook page and defensive as you can imagine.  This is not the behavior of a professional doctor who has nothing to hide.

One other thought . . . The possibility that Klein recorded and charged, but didn’t give the treatments he listed is also a strong possibility.  If Klein wasn’t in the country in May as he claims, then why did he charge Michael for treatments?

Next witness.


Afternoon lunch 2 hours.


Flanagan Calls Dr. Paul F. White to Stand
Retired from U of Texas SW, practicing anesthesiologist expert

- White is retired, but consulting and does clinical research.  U of CA. for biochemistry, 1970.   Worked at research chemist for FDA project for one year.  Started graduate at Scripps Oceanography – biochemical research for 6 months because he developed renal problem and peaked his interest in medical research.

- U of CA. San Francisco to study drugs for treatment of diseases. Completed phd of pharmacology.   Did a combined program in 1977.  Phd in Pharmacology and medical degree.  Interned at Internal medicine at UC San Francisco he did fast track, he was doing a second residency as anesthesiology for 2 years/combined with medical.

- Faculty position at Stanford U, director of ambulatory medicine and assistant, professor of anesthesiology.  10 years schooling. He two years later took exams for board certifications in internal medicine and anesthesiology in Texas and Ca.  Internal med and Anesthesiology.  He then had University appointments at Stanford, 1988 was professor and vice chair Washington U in St. Louis, 1992 professor endowed chair Texas U.  Currently Cedar Sinai anesthesiologist and directs research.

- 25 honors received, ones ambulatory anesthesia, give lectureships around the world.  Topics are pharmacology of newer drugs and techniques for ambulatory surgery and acute pain management.  Ambulatory surgery/ same day home.

- Flanagan asks about directorship at Stanford.  Pentothal, Methohexatol and Halothane and nitrous oxide.   Determined complications with use, he determined they weren’t adequate for ambulatory surgeries due to longer term “drugged” hangover affect.

- A colleague John Dundee introduced him to Propofol as an anesthetic that was studied in UK and Belgium.  Was not water soluble and the Cremophol it was mixed with had allergy reactions that were severe.

- Worked with Dundee in developing a lipid emulsion, Propofol was clear before being mixed with emulsion.  Steward Pharmaceutical in Delaware did studies in the U.S. on Propofol.  Steward is mostly about antacids.  He developed the protocol and company was interested in providing the grant for the study in 1983 or 84.

- A protocol is a template for conduct a clinical study.  Had to organize surgeons and university medical students for the study.  Purpose was to compare Propofol to the other anesthesia Nitrous oxide and Halothane.  Published 450 papers on anesthesia, peer review papers.

- He’s had a series of studies done on Propofol, success with use for same day surgeries and wanted to do a follow up study on patients having major surgery.

- It wasn’t approved until 1989 in the U.S. but he started working on it in 1983.

- Flanagan mistakenly calls him Dr. Shafer . . . White says, “Uh, I’m dr. White but Shafer helped me on one of the papers.”  Courtroom laughs.

- White met the Shafer’s in 1981 shortly after arriving at Standford.

- Many of the benzos were part of the study some were used to administer anesthesia.  He’s written 15 books, two of which are major text books for anesthesia.  One is a drug manual which includes Propofol.  Additionally he’s written chapters for books, relating to Propofol 21.

- January of this year, White got a phone call from Flanagan about this case.  The name Conrad Murray was already familiar to him. His thoughts were he wasn’t sure he wanted to get involved in a high profile case of a celebrity icon.  He said his wife told him he shouldn’t say no so quickly.  He agreed to review materials because he was very familiar with the drugs involved, especially Propofol and opiods.

- Flanagan makes reference to the elephant in the court room and White asks him “Elephant?” and Flanagan, “yes, as if Murray is the elephant in the room” (and I’m sorry I saw the look of complete confusion on Murray’s face and lost it laughing).  I have no idea AT ALL why this was said.

- White’s opinion is that if Murray gave Michael the medicines he says he gave Michael and the amounts, that Michael shouldn’t have died, so he wanted to meet with Dr. Murray before making his decision. Walgren does not want Flanagan to persist with this line of questioning, but I don’t know why.  No objection, he just wants to approach the bench.

- Met with Flanagan and Chernoff and then agreed to participate.  He was then supplied the additional information and records on the case.  He came to a brief conclusion based in evidence offered by Prosecution during preliminary hearing.  At that point he formed some conclusions he no longer believes.  Originally his speculation that Propofol could have been swallowed but changed due to lack of viability of Propofol ingested orally.

- Hi oral bioavailability example of 1mg tablet being active in the system by 1mg.  The Pig study he was not familiar with because when he searched the study he was searching under oral and not rectal administration.

- White’s problem with the studies was that two of the study subjects were investigators so it was not objective.  The study in Chile was not done in a blind method.  One volunteer was the chief investigator actually had high levels after drinking the Propofol.

- He did an animal study but it wasn’t published because the study was negative and it added no value for humans (directly to stomach through a tube.)

- Pharmacokinetics is the relationship between dose and blood level.  Pharmacodynamics is relationship between blood level and effect on a certain organ (in this case, the brain). (He puts this in laymen’s terms, FINALLY after all these other doctors, a way to better understand this!)

- White does an excellent job in showing through diagrams of his studies that the general population falls all over the place on various effectiveness and blood levels on dosages.  He shows a study showing similar results for Lorazapam

- Flanagan keeps calling him doctor Shafer.  Dr. White quietly says, “I’m going to get a name tag…” and everyone starts laughing.  Murray is laughing too and seems to welcome the diversion from all the tense atmosphere earlier in the day.


- White explains that the middle strait line is the predicted results, the squiggly line is the average result and the different dots are actually the different individual results of patients on Propofol.

- White explains that “milk of amnesia” for Propofol is for higher, surgical doses may cause lack of recall, but not for lower doses for sedation.

- MAC sedation, he did some of the original work, (Monitored anesthesia care) and study on it and that some call him the father of MAC.  He explains that Propofol has a wide range of uses from mild sedation/reduction of anxiety for patients who will be conscious during surgery, conversing during procedures, to moderate sedation to deep sedation/anesthesia.

- He said his studies on MAC were not initially interesting to the industry because they were looking to develop Propofol as a full anesthetic to replace pentothal, but he got an education grant to study induction of general anesthesia for moderate sedation.

- In 1990 they called Dr. White to see if they can use his data on the study of MAC to get it approved for the FDA.  He didn’t get a patent first but he gave them the data because they were kind enough to give him the educational grant.  They asked him if Dr. Shafer could do the analysis on the data (mathematical data).  (Sounds like what happened to Michael with various ideas, logos, etc…)  This was studies including using Propofol for rest for patients who endure producers in the ICU.

- His opinion on sleep study was he thought it was interesting but he thought Shafer’s problem was they didn’t mention the infusion rate.  But White thought you can get that kind of information from the investigators themselves.  Peer review of papers from studies are done before they are approved for publication.

- White said his study paper on MAC sedation changed anesthesia.

- Asked about poloypharmacy.  White says as an anesthestisiology , they practice polypharmacy which allows them to actually use less drugs.

- is Propofol generally used with other drugs – White says using Medazolam before administering Propofol actually assists MAC sedation.

- Flanagan starts to get into Shafer’s modeling according to Murray’s testimony. 


Shows Shafer’s Model of Femoral Lorazapam Levels at autopsy



- White says that it reflects the bolus injections of Lorazapam

 While Flanagan is looking for the chart exhibit for Midazolam they realize it is getting past 4pm. So they adjourn for the evening for 8:45am tomorrow.


My thoughts:

License information on Dr. Paul F. White  Source
Dr. White also has had early connections in his career working as a chemist for the FDA – the first job held after his biochemical degree.  He then worked as a Biochemist at Scripps Oceanography Institute.

“TSRI's roots can be traced to the Scripps Metabolic Clinic, founded near the current site in 1924 by the philanthropist Ellen Browning Scripps. In 1946 it evolved into the Scripps Clinic and Research Foundation. Initially focusing on the study of immune disorders under the leadership of Frank J. Dixon,”  Source

In 1873, Scripps helped her brother James start The Detroit News. She pioneered the concept of the feature article. Her half-brother E. W. founded the powerful chain of Scripps newspapers.

Scripps is also involved in government atmospheric research (not just biochemical and auto-immune testing).

Multi-Hazard West Coast Winter Storm Project The USGS Multi Hazards Demonstration Project (MHDP)’s second full scenario, called ARkStorm, addresses massive US West Coast storms analogous to those that devastated California in 1861–62. Storms of this magnitude are projected to become more frequent and intense as a result of climate change. The MHDP assembled experts from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), USGS, Scripps Institute of Oceanography, the State of California, California Geological Survey, the University of Colorado, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), California Department of Water Resources, California Emergency Management Agency (CalEMA) and other organizations to design the large, but scientifically plausible, hypothetical storm scenario that would provide emergency responders, resource managers, and the public a realistic assessment of what is historically possible.

I don’t believe that everyone that ever worked at Scripps Institute was bad, or part of the cabal, but I did want to point out that this man began his career with the government them moved on to an institute that was a possible site for CIA mind control experiments, founded by a woman who’s brother and brother in law started news paper conglomerates, most notably Howard-Scripps which were used to spread the agenda through propaganda:

The plan would be brought about through the Tavistock Institute and its MK-Ultra mind-control program. The agent of the Round Table conspiracy was author Aldous Huxley, who was sent on a mission to foster the proliferation of “mind-expanding” drugs in the U.S., a continuation of the MK-Ultra program, based on the mind-control techniques of the Assassins.”

On the same site, Aldous Huxley is quotes with reference -

There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution.”

And this is done with the help of an installed entertainment industry and pharmacological research into mind control.

The CIA had infiltrated the nation’s businesses, media, and universities with tens of thousands of on-call operatives to act as spies and stimulate the anti-communist hysteria of the Cold War. Ultimately, the CIA’s media assets would eventually include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press International (UPI), Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service, etc. and 400 journalists, who have secretly carried out assignments according to documents on file at CIA headquartersSource for all of the above.

This site links it all . . . the music industry, Hollywood, the Bankers, T.V. stations, newspapers, magazines and research centers.

Personally, I don’t feel that Dr. White is a bad guy. Why?  Because he also gave me a clue when he explained that he didn’t get a patent for the work he did with MAC sedation and that he should have because Dr. White was credited for the paper when all he did was the analysis (math work) for the studies White had already done. 

We can attribute that scenario with so many things that Michael accomplished that was stolen from him, many of his video game ideas, his songs that people added their names to, the idea for Dreamworks and a screen play that Spielberg took from him not to mention the idea for the logo.  How shameless can one get.  Did Spielberg REALLY need the money that bad that he had to steal a logo?  He didn’t even try to HIDE the identical “boy in the moon” image.

Tomorrow may very well be the last day of testimony so I want to be there . . . baring any more surprises.

Anyone care to quess why Flanagan would reference the elephant in the court room?  That is the first time I ever saw hint of a sense of humor with Flanagan and I’m not sure I can handle it.

FOR YOUR READING -

Contributed from Truthbtold:

"All Law outside moral law is contract, you have to have signed up..."

Only Six Minutes, Good Video


This one reminds me of this Murray trial - actors in a game. "The court is a bank, it exists to make money", zero balancing of the books. History of the court system, Law Society & shows the background of Admiralty Law:

Courts


From Karen who saw the movie “The Illusionist” more recently:

Janet’s reference to The Illusionist: I found the most interesting. (I have seen the movie) Aside from the fact that it is about exposing evil elements...the illusionist & his love interest fake her death (to expose evil) & an actor who portrays the doctor...examines her body & in fact declares her dead. At the end of the movie...the illusionist (Ed Norton) “brings her to life” as a  hologram....on the stage. Of course it isn’t a hologram, she is in fact still alive. But it exposes those who were plotting against her & wanted her dead.


The Illusionist


34 comments:

  1. Bonnie,
    Firstly 'Code Z' and the numberplate. Taj was on Twitter whilst making the series, asking fans what should be on the numberplate - he had several MJ esque formats to choose from, and this one was voted most popular.
    The hoax forums picked up on 'The Illusionist' two years ago, and I watched it about a year ago specifically because of this connection. It would be fantastic if it turned out to be true!!
    So is the defense implying that Michael had a dependency on Demerol and that Murray was using benzo's and anaesthesia to wean him off?

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  2. HI!
    Did anyone notice the Halloween pumpkin in the courtroom??? It was there for a short while behind Murray and then it was gone!

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  3. Bonnie,
    It was LaToya who metioned the movie, The Illusionist. NOT Janet.

    Janet never said a word. She just got out of the car and walked into the court building.

    LaToya said the trial was an illusion and that we need to "Read Between The Lines."

    Then LaToya said it's like the movie "The Illusionist." She then said it was a very good movie and that everyone should see it.

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  4. PrincessGlam said - "Firstly 'Code Z' and the numberplate. Taj was on Twitter whilst making the series, asking fans what should be on the numberplate - he had several MJ esque formats to choose from, and this one was voted most popular.

    ........ That's interesting, I didn't know that, and neither did the person that sent it to me. But not everyone knows that so I posted it. I don't comb through twitter and I didn't back when Taj first started discussing this. (That after the twitter battles of the fan groups.) I only read certain ones.

    You said - The hoax forums picked up on 'The Illusionist' two years ago, and I watched it about a year ago specifically because of this connection. It would be fantastic if it turned out to be true!!"

    .......... I don't read the Hoax Forums either. I only glance over there occasionally when they link to this site and it shows in my stats. Funny I would have thought maybe you could have shared it if it was so pertinent two years ago.

    You said - "So is the defense implying that Michael had a dependency on Demerol and that Murray was using benzo's and anaesthesia to wean him off?"

    .......... I don't know what the defense is implying. I only know what the press says the defense is implying. Maybe you could ask the Hoax forum, LOL!

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  5. Jose said - "It was LaToya who metioned the movie, The Illusionist. NOT Janet."

    ........ I know, I explained that on the previous blog, but I can't correct someone elses writing. She also corrected it when she resent the email to me, but I didn't post the whole thread, only what she said.

    Janet saying that actually came from HLN and because I didn't turn around and look directly at the T.V. (it's in back of me where my computer is) because I was typing and trying to keep up with testimony, I assumed they were right even though I could hear her voice and it sounded more like Latoya.

    Hey, are you able to watch the trial now?

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  6. MJonmymind said - "Did anyone notice the Halloween pumpkin in the courtroom??? It was there for a short while behind Murray and then it was gone!"

    ........ I sure didn't! Which day was it behind Murray (you're not talking about Dr. White are you? LOL!)

    Did anyone see Tom Mesereau on HLN Last night? I was eating dinner when he was on. My husband heard him - likes him. He said "good for him!" when he saw what Jane Vasquez-Mitchell was trying to pull. Never heard Mesereau so forcefull. He had two cheerleaders at the dinner table last night!

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  7. 1997 - "Oh God it's Demerol"

    If someone was getting all that morphine/demerol injected, I don't believe it was Michael.

    All that botox? It screams of vanity. Most of the general public would believe that of Michael. I however do not. What about it being upkeep for someone resembling Michael?

    To me the botox bordered on, NO was outright ridiculous. Didn't Walman say at one point, while explaining Klein's treatment record - botox injected in the groin area for excessive perspiration? My jaw dropped in disbelief! WHAAAT?!?

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  8. Bonnie,
    It would have been impossible to share everything from the hoax forums - just so much stuff, and at the time, how could I tell what was going to prove relevant later on? The other film what caught everyone's imagination was 'V for Vendetta' so of course I watched that too LOL!
    The other thing that sprang to mind recently, was a person called Leahcim (Michael spelled backwards). There may have been two people claiming this name, as I spoke to one on chat and he had a British accent, the other appeared to be Brazilian. Anyway, one of them has a YouTube channel and uploaded a video of himself as Michael, which people thought really was Michael, post 25 June. I can tell you, it caused quite a stir in the hoax communuity! The British Leahcim claimed it was him at the O2 and not Michael Jackson.
    Here are the links :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdFgalVDzN0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIuAArnO__A&feature=related

    Don't say I don't tell you anything LOL :)

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  9. Bonnie,

    I watch the trial on HLN every day.

    My PC is still very slow and I can't play videos on my computer.

    So TV is better than nothing. Even though they have far too many commercials!

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  10. Bonnie,Hi. Above you were explaining the movie The Illusionist.I have not seen it yet,but you mentioned the dead person coming back as a hologram.Back when Michael first "died" Will I Am appeared on CNN with Wolf Blitzer as a "hologram".Peace.Linda

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  11. @BONNIE - RE the Dr. Klein's Demerol medical reports. Forgetting just for a while any other possible sophisticated conspiration theory & keeping it strictly within the Klein/Murray's context, I think Dr. Klein played the friendship card with Michael for years only for prestige & huge fees. Respect or compassion are not in Klein's vocabulary. So Klein might also have favoured Michael's dependence on Demerol, alike other preceeding doctors. Klein might also be dishonest enough to overcharge a patient's bill for medicine never taken by the patient (he claimed such money from the Estate in 2009). Maybe a reason why Klein was not called as a witness is that the Justice has an eye on him ? Should Klein however never be called as a witness or be further investigated, then it is proof he is protected by a certain hierarchy.

    But even if the Klein's medical records were fake to nuise him, it however does not absolve Murray's malpractice & gross negligence. Last, if K. Ortega or others on the TII set noticed Michael's weakness from June 2009, did Murray investigate Michael's health & what did he undertake to help him, except putting him in a coma each night ?

    We talk about conspiracy for over 2 years. Could the truth in the end lay with Klein & Murray only ? I am lost.

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  12. Bonnie, you wished to see the HLN Tom Meserau's Video 10.27.2011 :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb-0y4cuPpc&feature=player_embedded

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  13. To BonnieL. The pumpkin was there when the trail started yesterday (27th.) It was so easy to see, but then 10 minutes later someone must have removed it. (standing just beside the legal officer behind Murray). I found it so strange to place a smiling pumpkin like that in the courtroom.
    Found it:http://twitpic.com/show/large/76krtl

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  14. Great job again Bonnie! You're investigative skills are wonderful AND we benefit from them :).

    I have a feeling today (Friday)or Monday Dr. White will deal with the brain and propofol and the lack of testing. That would be interesting. Let's hope Walgren took his cue when the question was put to Shafer and had the testing done.

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  15. Bonnie – as we all know, Dr. White refuted the model Dr. Shafer presented on his testimony that said Propofol infusion killed Michael. Dr. white confirmed that Michael himself injected the Propofol and killed himself.

    But I did not hear any explanation from Dr. White how Michael got up with an IV on his leg and a condom catheter on him to look for the Popofol bottle and inject himself while drawing the liquid from the bottle is so hard to do?

    It is so obvious from the get go that the defense is going to make Michael a desperate drug addict.
    Mimi

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  16. Bonnie said:
    "Anyone care to quess why Flanagan would reference the elephant in the court room?"

    Flanagan said elephant to White. White elephant?

    "A white elephant is an idiom for a valuable but burdensome possession of which its owner cannot dispose and whose cost (particularly cost of upkeep) is out of proportion to its usefulness or worth."

    (Sounds like the entire corrupt system that we support at a high cost to ourselves!)

    One of the examples:
    "The Millennium Dome in London, built at a cost of hundreds of millions of pounds in Greenwich in London to celebrate the millennium, was commonly termed a white elephant.[19][20] The exhibition it initially housed was less successful than hoped and the widely criticised building struggled to find a role after the event. It is now The O2, an arena and entertainment centre."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_elephant

    "Elephant in the room" is an English metaphorical idiom for an obvious truth that is being ignored or goes unaddressed. The idiomatic expression also applies to an obvious problem or risk no one wants to discuss.[1]
    It is based on the idea that an elephant in a room would be impossible to overlook; thus, people in the room who pretend the elephant is not there have chosen to avoid dealing with the looming big issue."

    "The first widely disseminated conceptual reference was a story written by Mark Twain in 1882, “The Stolen White Elephant”, which slyly dissects the inept, far-ranging activities of detectives trying to find an elephant that was right on the spot after all. This may have been the reference in the legal opinion of United States v. Leviton (193 F. 2d 848 - Court of Appeals, 2nd Circuit, 1951) makes reference in its opinion, “As I have elsewhere observed, it is like the Mark Twain story of the little boy who was told to stand in a corner and not to think of a white elephant.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_in_the_room

    Under "See also" is a link to "The Emperor's New Clothes".

    The pumpkin photo:
    Nice coordinating pumpkin-orange tie Walgren has there!

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  17. Isn't it ironic that after two attempts from the L.A. District Attorney's office to ruin Michael, that they, in prosecuting his death, are now in essence defending his life?

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  18. Hi Bonnie.
    I'm so glad to hear that your husband managed to get the truck useable again, and it was't a costly job to have repaired, I prayed about that specifically.
    Here is a link to the trial video that had the pumpkin...
    http://youtu.be/wlDTrSIHUtQ
    I see @MJonmymind you have mentioned this, and posted a link to a pic of it.
    I noticed that Ed Chernoff's tie seemed to somewhat match the pumpkin too lol :-)
    It's prob nothing of significance though.
    Jenny

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  19. Hi Bonnie. Check out : Dr.Conrad Murray Trial - Nurse Cherilyn Lee death stare
    Susanne

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  20. Hi Bonnie. In the police Interview Dr.Murray said that MJ did not want Lorezapam because it didn't work for him. Now they claim that MJ took 8 Lorezapam pills because he desperately wanted to sleep. Doesn't seem to be a logical thing for him to do because he already knew that those pills didn't work. Susanne

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  21. That smiling pumpkin really was a distraction and not something you would expect given the somber nature of this trial (unless a certain "little dove" arranged for it to be there!). Chernoff also wore a blazing orange tie - what was that all about! He stood out more than the pumpkin!

    Bonnie said:

    "Personally, I don’t feel that Dr. White is a bad guy. Why? Because he also gave me a clue when he explained that he didn’t get a patent for the work he did with MAC sedation and that he should have because Dr. White was credited for the paper when all he did was the analysis (math work) for the studies White had already done."

    Did you mean to say Dr. SHAFER was credited for the paper, not White?

    Again, Bonnie...thank you so much for being my eyes and ears throughout this trial. I would have missed virtually everything had it not been for our daily phone calls and reading your incredible recaps each day. By the time I get home after work, I get to see Judge Pastor smile and adjourn for the day - and up goes that state seal! So your review of testimony has been invaluable to me and everyone who can't watch it live. (If another Jackson writes a book, you can expect a third addition to the two you already have!)

    I watched Tom Mesereau's interview with Velez-Mitchell and nothing can shake this man's integrity...he is a ROCK! I almost get goose bumps watching him, because if this is how he is six years after Michael's trial, then you know how committed and focused he was when he defended him. I thank Tom every day for taking such good care of Michael. The first camera shot showed TM giving Velez a leery squint, as if he was anticipating a negative spin on Michael. That's where she was going, and was obnoxious saying things like, "you can dance around the issue all you want," or "we can talk in semantics, but..." This is typical of "Gotcha" speak (a la Bashir), where they create a atmosphere of innuendo to suggest the other party is being less than candid when no such thing has occurred! Recovering alcoholic or not, Velez was playing politics with the Murray trial for her own agenda, asking Tom if we become part of the problem if we don't address the issue of growing addiction in our society! HELLO? Take it to another venue, Velez! Tom set her straight about needing to focus on what this trial is about - what MURRAY did to Michael Jackson. THANK YOU, TOM!

    Love you, Bonnie! :-) ♥ ♥ ♥ - Micheline

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  22. Truthbtold - "If someone was getting all that morphine/demerol injected, I don't believe it was Michael."

    ........ You are I are on the same wavelength. I have another blog coming up this weekend. I half suspect Klein of charging Michael for his OWN addiction. Botox and groin and underarms. Never heard of it and honey if sweat ever gets to be THAT MUCH OF A PROBLEM for me, the marathon is over! My opinion but I've seen Michael's concert clips. He may FEEL it when it's over but he likes to sweat. He PLAYS that kind of stuff, hair sticking to everything, that scowl, tough looking - he plays it! Anyhow, I'm with you on that one!
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    Princess said - "It would have been impossible to share everything from the hoax forums - just so much stuff, and at the time, how could I tell what was going to prove relevant later on?"

    ......... Hey! It's YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, young lady, to KEEP US ABREAST (LOL). Seriously, I didn't see any such thing in the Hoax forums. I posted it because of what Latoya told the MEDIA going into court. THAT was the significance for me, besides, aren't the majority of the hoax forums Sony-affiliated? (Sousa?)

    Ha! Thank you for the links :o))))
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    Josie said - "My PC is still very slow and I can't play videos on my computer."

    ....... Don't feel bad. I live out in the country too. What would pass for DSL out here would leave some of those "city folk" rolling over with laughter. YOU ARE NOT ALONE, LOL!

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  23. Linda said - "Back when Michael first "died" Will I Am appeared on CNN with Wolf Blitzer as a "hologram".Peace.Linda "

    ........ Linda, I was informed that particular CNN clip actually took place in 2008, but considering Wil.i.am's relationship with Michael, I don't think it is any less significant. :o)
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    Line said - "So Klein might also have favoured Michael's dependence on Demerol, alike other preceeding doctors. Klein might also be dishonest enough to overcharge a patient's bill for medicine never taken by the patient (he claimed such money from the Estate in 2009). Maybe a reason why Klein was not called as a witness is that the Justice has an eye on him ?"

    .......... LIne I agree with you very much. I do not think Michael was an addict. Way too smart for that. I suspect that the charges may very well have been for HIS OWN use as well as bogus charges. No, the truth does not lie with ONLY Klein and Murray - Much more, look at the names that have already been thrown into this. Randy Phillips dumped a BUNCH of names, the doctors and their affiliations, bodyguards and their connections/contacts. How exactly did they come to work for Michael?

    Don't be shy of the conspiracy. It's only a dirty word because THEY make men ashamed of the truth with ridicule. Thank you but I did see the whole interview on T.V. They just wouldn't let me post the video, only the link (on tonight's blog).
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    MJonmymind said - "but then 10 minutes later someone must have removed it."

    .......... Thank you for the link. I wonder if there was candy in there? And why would they remove it? Funny. cute. Somebody's playing.
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    Kathi said - "Dr. White will deal with the brain and propofol and the lack of testing. That would be interesting. Let's hope Walgren took his cue when the question was put to Shafer and had the testing done. "

    .......... He didn't! Which leads me to believe that this is going to either come up in cross exam or in redirect. I was shocked they turned over the witness, but it's like watching chess. They want to see what Walgren does with their direct questioning, then will respond based on that in the redirect. Geeze. I feel like throwing the Queen across the room! LOL!

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  24. Mimi said - "Dr. white confirmed that Michael himself injected the Propofol and killed himself."

    ....... Did he say this exactly? No, and I believe even Dr.White has not discounted the paraphenalia that was allegedly on Michael.

    Before you get upset Mimi, think of this like Chess. Nobody has accused Michael of anything. They have though, made comments open to interpretation. Why?

    To see what the prosecution is going to do with White's answers.

    There is a LOT of evidence that has not been covered. See that on my blog post for tonight. This is not over yet.

    Why did they close the day's proceedings before lunch? What had to be discussed before Walgren could even take his turn at cross examining White? Sum-thin is up.

    Chess . . . chess . . . chess.

    Dr. White has already refuted the drinking propofol theory and the rapid bolus push (by both Murray and Michael) and infusion. He's narrowed it down.

    If you are playing football, do you give the opposing team your playbook?

    Keep watching and keep the faith. :o)
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    Truth said - "Flanagan said elephant to White. White elephant?

    "A white elephant is an idiom for a valuable but burdensome possession of which its owner cannot dispose and whose cost (particularly cost of upkeep) is out of proportion to its usefulness or worth."

    ........ Did I ever tell you I love you? I'm not even going to touch your comment. I can't add anymore to it. It's perfect the way you stated it . . . next!

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  25. Truth said - "The pumpkin photo:
    Nice coordinating pumpkin-orange tie Walgren has there!"

    ......... ROFLMBO!!! Like I said, somebody's playing.

    You said - "Isn't it ironic that after two attempts from the L.A. District Attorney's office to ruin Michael, that they, in prosecuting his death, are now in essence defending his life? "

    ............ Really!
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    Jenny said - "I noticed that Ed Chernoff's tie seemed to somewhat match the pumpkin too lol :-)
    It's prob nothing of significance though."

    ........ Thank you for your prayers Jenny and thank you. I am RELIEVED about my husband's truck. That truck is my husband's identity. He LOVES it (not more than me though . . .) Walgren's right?
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    Susanne said - "In the police Interview Dr.Murray said that MJ did not want Lorezapam because it didn't work for him. Now they claim that MJ took 8 Lorezapam pills because he desperately wanted to sleep."

    ............ Saw the video. Murray looked away when his lips moved, but Cherilyn was the one giving the death stare before she looked away and she did it twice, like she wanted Murray to see her giving him the stare. Murray definitely said something though!

    Well, on the Lorazapam pills there were tablets disolved in the belly as Dr. White showed and he showed how the levels in his stomach would be consistent with ingestion, but that is still not what killed him (allegedly). White also explained how the 8 tablets could still have been taken two or three at different intervals and still present the levels they saw in his stomach. White did prove though that the Lorazapam in the stomach was from tablets and not IV.

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  26. Botox is used for excessivie sweating...we know of Michael's legendary sweating...here is one of many link to it's common use for such

    http://www.botoxseveresweating.com/CanBotoxHelp/CanBotoxHelp.aspx

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  27. Spotlight said - "unless a certain "little dove" arranged for it to be there!)"

    ........ Mich if I see a 'LITTLE DOVE' in that courtroom on Monday, I'm coming after you - :o)

    You said - "Did you mean to say Dr. SHAFER was credited for the paper, not White?"

    ....... (grrrrrrrr) YES! Yes that is what I meant . .. or Mr. Lorazapam! LOL.

    You said - "The first camera shot showed TM giving Velez a leery squint, as if he was anticipating a negative spin on Michael."

    ......... You are welcome on the "eyes and ears". Butt-bruises notwithstanding. I SAW THAT! Mesereau's not so poker-faced after all, LOL! I absolutely caught that, I laughed out loud. Even my husband caught it! I think that was the first interview I've seen with Mesereau where he let his feelings out a bit, some anger and a bit of disgust I detected. Ed said, "He's tough!" (I thought to myself, "good for him!")

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  28. Bonnie,Hi. In reference to the hologram,I definitely saw the interview after June 25,Wolf Blitzer Situation room does not air reruns.
    P.S. Did you catch the wide screen shot of the courtroom with the seal above the judge today?(Fri.) Do you get the feeling that "someone" is reading your blog and answering some questions for us? Or playing along?Peace.Linda Word verification is...clowns

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  29. "........ Did I ever tell you I love you? I'm not even going to touch your comment. I can't add anymore to it. It's perfect the way you stated it . . . next!"

    Hehehe...

    Makes me wonder what other idioms/clues/statements we have missed!

    Playing their game...I'm expecting a checkmate.

    Perhaps a "David and Goliath mate"?

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  30. I keep forgetting to tell you, Bonnie...

    I LOVE LOVE LOVE the 'Ghosts' pictures you are using throughout your coverage of the trial!

    Hehehe...

    :o)

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  31. Hi Bonnie. I think Dr.Murray gave Lee the death stare. (So you and I dont see the same thing in that footage. )And when he realized the cameras was in his face he looked very uncomfortable. He got the "Shit they caught that" paranoid expression on his face. Then he turned his head to the side and said F.U.C.K. Read his lips. The question is wich one of them are lying, Dr.Murray or Cherilyn Lee. Him giving her the "If eyes could kill stare" could mean he is pissed because she told the media about propofol and that way put him in court, or that he is pissed because she is lying. It seems to me that a lot of the defeance witnesses has spoken to the prosecutions favour. That makes me a little confused. Lee doesn't speak in favour to Dr.Murray in my eyes/ears. She makes him look like a bad Guy wit her testimony. So why did the defense pick her as a witness? Lee said after MJ died that she had never met Dr.Murray. I Wonder if that is the truth? Everybody seems to be linked together in MJ'S life. They didn't pop up in his life by coincidence. Do you know what I mean? I am not sure I do, hee hee. Or do I? Susanne

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  32. Linda said - "Bonnie,Hi. In reference to the hologram,I definitely saw the interview after June 25,Wolf Blitzer Situation room does not air reruns."

    ..... Well you will have to take that up with the lady that emailed me because I didn't see either one :o) She made mention of it so I can't speak from my own experience on that one. It's still significant to me, I wonder if I can find it on you tube?

    I caught a glimpse of the seal! I did I did! So what is that? Verification? Clowns? LOL!
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    Truth said - "Makes me wonder what other idioms/clues/statements we have missed!"

    ... The first day - Chernoff says, "It's hard to believe isn't it? Almost like it's not real...."

    That during a day that we verified that all the posthumous documents were the wrong middle name, and the Seal of California was wrong. Somebody probably wants to shake us right now, for what we have missed.

    That White Elephant was an excellent catch. Pair that with the Admiralty vs. Common Law signs and what glaring truth we have all been ignoring (or afraid to acknowledge) and there is no doubt that this trial is about something else.

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  33. Susanne said - "I think Dr.Murray gave Lee the death stare. (So you and I dont see the same thing in that footage. )And when he realized the cameras was in his face he looked very uncomfortable. "

    ...... The reason I think it was Cherilyn is because Murray was actually looking toward the attorneys and the bench. He wasn't looking at Cherilyn until he caught HER looking at him. I SAW her gaze and she looked as if she was TRYING to get his attention with this gaze of hers.

    Murray admitted when he started propofol, so for her to overlap her time with Murray's saying Michael was asking for propofol when he was already supposedly on it, then have her claim that SHE NEVER MET MURRAY, why the death stares? The woman was all over the tube giving interviews about propofol before a cause of death was even announced, she has a patient she ADMITTED got her started on media interviews. her Medical director is a convicted felon and she is a co-health chair in an organization started and funded by Rothschild through Schiff!

    I'm not saying she was particularly aware of all that, but it's obvious she is lying about meeting or knowing Murray and about Michael asking her for propofol because he was ACCORDING TO MURRAY already on it.

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