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Michael Jackson Justice: Michael Jackson, Seventy Times Seven Leads to What?

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Saturday, October 29, 2011

Michael Jackson, Seventy Times Seven Leads to What?


Day 20 Conrad Murray Michael Jackson Trial
Is There Going to Be Justice for Michael?






2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”

I know I keep pounding on this particular passage in Thessalonians. There will be other verses I have previously posted that will fit together with this and we will eventually have to pull them all together.  I also have a little itty-bitty surprise for you this weekend that Micheline had been working on since before August 29th which I will announce sometime this weekend (Saturday or Sunday, not sure which day yet).

Today was another unannounced short testimony day and I will get into that in a minute.  This is good actually, it will allow me to work on other things “Michael.”

This is a song I just started singing at the computer today during break.  I think the melody and the harmonies are pretty and I wanted to point out the lyrics on one of the verses:

“Get Together”



My husband and I were watching the video below while we were eating dinner last night.  My husband now likes Tom Mesereau - thought he was tough and unflappable in telling Mitchell he didn't want her reporting to skew the issue in this case and that was that Murray should not have been giving Michael propofol in that setting.

Tom Mesereau Interview if you have not seen it.  I’m sorry, they would not let me embed the video so you have to click the link.


The long awaited questioning of Dr. White.

Flanagan Direct with Dr. Paul White Continues

- Dr. White describes from Dr. Shafer’s simulation charts, at 25mg to describe using another study, that what Murray testified he gave Michael was minimal sedation, including the Lorazapam.

- Dr. White explains the American Medical Association of Anesthesiologist chart describing the different levels of sedation using Propofol.

Comparison Propofol Chart



-Dr. White describes the chart.  He is asked to and describes that anesthesiologist have to go through specific training and even certain doctors that apply sedation should be trained to prepare that a patient may inadvertently go into deeper sedation then intended because every patient is different.  Dr. White says that the doctor should always prepare for deeper sedation so he can rescue the patient and bring him back to the intended level of sedation.

- Dr. White is handed Murray’s certification to administer moderate sedation which is conscious sedation.  White testifies that that is Murray’s certification.

- White What does that certification allow you to do.  White explains this allows a doctor evaluate a patient for moderate sedation, administering of agents to accomplish moderate simulation, monitor and rescues patients from sedation.

- White testifies that according to Shafer’s simulations of Lorazapam, Michael would have been in deep sedation and anesthesia (asleep, unresponsive to painful stimuli) when the 4th through the 9th dose of Lorazapam was given.

- Flanagan shows a chart that White did according to Murray’s testimony on amounts of Lorazapam he gave him, given possible traces left in his system from the night before, and if Michael took pills to add to the concentration.


Chart on Lorazapam


- Midazolam concentration levels based on Murray’s testimony, given traces of Midazolam (assuming doses given 10 days previously).  White explains that Midazolam takes 22 to 44 minutes absorption time into the stomach and intestines.

- White goes over the simulation of Shafer of large bolus doses of Lorazapam.  White says that the simulation is unreasonable because the patient would have been in deep sedation.  He said he couldn’t imagine anyone sitting there and giving repeated bolus injections over time when the patient was already asleep.

- Flanagan shows the simulation showing the 8 pills of Lorazapam at 7am.  White explains that you can accomplish the same concentration if pills were taken two three or four tablets a couple of different times.  He disagrees about Shafer’s simulation showing this plus the repeated, 30 minute interval bolus doses.

- Dr. White explains through Greenblatt studies that there should not be any free Lorazapam in Michael’s stomach if taken intravenously.

- Dr. White systematically discredits Shafer’s simulations of the 50 and 100mgs of Propofol.  White states that the simulations don’t account for the Lidocaine, which he says Michael called “anti-burn”  mixed in with the 10cc syringe and that Murray would have had to work awful fast to draw out Propofol from a bottle  which takes some time because of suction and he wasn’t sure HE could even do it.

-  Dr. white even discredits the simulation showing Michael giving his own 50mg injections, it would be impossible (White is not showing tendency toward self injection which is what the prosecution wanted the jury to believe they were going for.)


Shows bolus given at 12pm


- Shows infusion as small purple hump and the bolus at 12 the strait line up.  If the bolus dose was put in on top of those would you expect dire consequences.  If put in on top of high concentration of benzodiazepine if Propofol is given as shown in the picture above.  White said it could be potentially lethal.

- Dr. White prepares to show another demonstration similar to Shafer’s on how Murray would have administered the Propofol through I.V.  He says this is because Shafer did not use the proper infusion tubing, the tubing he used was too long, and he did not include the lidocane.

He also shows that it leaves residue in the tubing and there was no evidence in any other tubing other than the injection port.  (remember that was missing in evidence).

- Flanagan and White cover the infusion theory of Dr. Shafer.


100mg


- Dr. White rejects this as a possibility.  Dr. White explains that the bottle of Propofol found at the scene did not have the handle activated.  The cut bag scenario would also be unreasonable because a bottle that size would have a hard time staying in the bag, any movement at all would knock it out.

- Picture of 100ml Propofol bottle shown on top of the bag is shown.  It shows that the bottle has not been suspended because the tap “lift here” is still there and the handle to hang it has not been used.  They show the actual evidence and the lift has not been deployed.  The first time the lift was deployed was actually in the court room.  The bottle was not hung at the scene.

- The double line technique White explains how they would hang the bottle and they would have to hang the bottle higher than the Saline, using gravity to work it into the IV when you have no infusion pump.

- White makes it a point that hanging the Propofol bottle would not allow for “anti-burn” to also be administered.  White also makes a point of why would anyone go through the hassle of cutting a saline bag and precariously placing a Propofol bottle inside to infuse when they have the handle.

- White cannot conceive of why anyone would go through that hassle when it would not work.  Even if they spiked it through the bottom of the IV bag, the spike is not long enough to go through both.

- That scenario would also not accomplish the smooth levels shown in the model  above.

- White demonstrates how you would add Propofol directly to the saline bag through the port at the top (which would be 1-1), which would put the medication right into the Saline bag.

- White says that you would see the white liquid Propofol because of the lipid properties, that you would see residue left on the Propofol bag.  There was no evidence of Propofol in the bag in evidence.  Propofol residual was only found in the distal infusion port and not the length of the IV line which indictates Propofol was delivered via syringe in the IV port.  There was no evidence at the scene of an infusion delivery.

- The chart shown above White says the simulation never gets to the high level and assumes that the patient died exactly at the end of the infusion.  There is nothing indicating that kind of infusion would cause death just at the end of the infusion.  He would be sleepy but easily aroused.

- White says Infusion would stop if the patient died because no blood would be running.  The Propofol would then just collect in the leg and drain into the Femoral artery which is where they measured the concentrations. This would be with the pure Propofol drip, not with what Murray said he gave him.

- Level of unchanged Propofol in the urine was extremely small. White shows a chart simulation where using Shafer’s model.


White’s comparison Chart



- White says this comes nowhere near the levels they found in the Femoral blood at the autopsy.


White’s Depiction of what Happened according to Murray
Using Shafer’s model with Michael self injecting 25mgs


- The point of this is to compare the models of Shafer’s hypothesis and the concentration of free Propofol in the urine and this one shows an almost identical reading they got from autopsy.

- White reiterates that there was no evidence of infusion at the scene and the pure Propofol levels were not consistent with the autopsy.  White says that based on those levels, the scenario of self-injection right before noon or close to the tome of death would better explain the Propofol levels in the urine.  This is based on the Propofol alone, not combined with the polypharmacy.

-White says this does reconcile with the evidence found at the scene, it does reconcile with Murray’s statement and it does reconcile with the urine evidence.  However none of that reconciles with the theory of infusion or running drip, which was Shafer’s theory.

Dr White is asked to step down and he will come back Monday Morning.  (???)


Judge Pastor decides with Council, to break before they start cross examination, that some other aspects of the case have to be discussed, so that’s it until Monday.



My Thoughts:

I am already getting questions pertaining to the testimony leaning toward Michael killing himself.  If we are to take the evidence at face value as presented by both sides, that is what IT APPEARS TO LOOK LIKE.

However, we have not had cross examination yet.  There is also as per the judge, INFORMATION ABOUT THE CASE that needs FURTHER DISCUSSION before the prosecution can proceed with cross examination ON DR. WHITE.

We have been told that Dr. White is the last witness to be called by the defense, however, I don’t know if this is true.  This is only what the press has reported.  The reason I believe we still have some surprises is this:

- We still have the issue of un-reported fingerprints on a saline bag that have been identified but are not anyone that was in the house on the morning/afternoon of June 25th.

- We still have a missing (if it existed) secondary I.V. tubing.

- There is no toxicology for Propofol evident on the autopsy report for the brain, even though an autopsy is recorded as to have been done.

- No one has yet to mention the independent autopsy the Jackson Family ordered.

- There is missing video surveillance and other bodyguards present the early morning of June 25th, 2009 when Michael Jackson arrived home that either were not interviewed or who’s interviews were not recorded.

- There are other discrepancies among the prosecution witnesses that have not been addressed or investigated by the defense (at least that they’ve presented).

I believe these reasons above, and possibly more could be why court was adjourned early on Friday (today) for further discussion between council and the judge, before Dr. White is cross examined by the prosecution.

Personal Note to Michael/Jackson Family

You’re killing me, okay?  Killing me.  Driving me nuts first and then killing me.  I love a good mystery as much as the next person but I am an impatient woman;  not to mention you are not exactly following the script of my dreams.  I’ll get over it (if I have to) but it ain’t gonna be easy!  I have a bruise on my butt for being on the edge of my seat for so long (Dr. Shafer could really have been cut back by, like a day and a half).  Come Monday, I’m grabbing a pillow, capeche?

If I have a butt left before “this mystery unfolds”, and it hasn’t completely adhered to this office chair, it’s going to take two weeks of solid standing for it to pop back into the shape it was before this trial started.  You will probably hear it from California (and it will undoubtedly appear on youtube as one of those “strange sounds” videos, blaming underground tunnels and hatch suction from CIA explosions).

On a more serious note, Please enjoy the documentary over in London (those family members going), travel safely and I pray you are not disappointed in what Guest put together.  I’ve seen the trailer and I have to tell you it doesn’t instill me with much confidence.

Michael . . . here, there or wherever you are, you have my prayers and my unwavering respect for you, your faith and your perseverance.   You always will have my unconditional love which has become interwoven into you, whom God had chosen to unlock it’s meaning for me.  God used you to soften my heart, and to drive into it the true meaning of what Jesus did for us so he could get in. 

I don’t know how many doors you opened for people who have until you, been trying to circumvent a wall put between them and the truth by deceivers and liars.  You were the warm compress for my heart and I will always feel yours because of that.  God bless you♥

Tomorrow I will have Micheline’s surprise for you all.  It’s an idea you may want to look into.  :o)  Maybe it is a way that we can “all cry at the same time”.


What does it really mean????


777


26 comments:

  1. @BONNIE - Difficult to challenge a doctor's analysis for anyone not versed into sciencific issues. So my instinct ONLY tells me that even if Michael was eventually responsible for his death by taking in on its own additional doses of Propofol or Lorazepam leading to his demise (which was before DENIED by Dr. C. Rodgers & Dr. S. Shafer), C. Murray using on Michael such anesthesic procedures for above 2 months, moreover outside hospital care, is at least guilty for not not using the required STANDARDS OF CARE DURING MONITORING & UPON EMERGENCY, whatever the respiratory arrest was caused by him or Michael. I even believe Murray saved other patients once : so WHY as a CARDIOLOGIST having no proper saving equipment at Michael's home nor any human help at hand (Kai Chase ? a joke), again why did he not immediately call 911 & then take Michael below the arms to the floor to allow a proper CPR until the Paramedics arrive ? When you panic & find no help, even a 5 years old kid picks up the phone & calls 911 ! Such situations were shown in the news already : kids saving one parent grace to their own initiative to call 911 !!!

    Murray may come out FREE but sorry, I stick to my own opinion of him : he did not care of Michael properly (he should have been suspicious & helped when Michael showed weakness signs in June 2009) & he wasted crucial minutes if not many more that might have possibly saved Michael.

    BTW didn't Dr. White say that C. Murray was certified to administrate anesthesics to a certain extent ? Was Murray really certified to administrate Propofol at home without proper equipment ? If so, WHY upon the Paramedics' arrival & request to him, did Murray not immediately indicate to them & also Dr. Rachelle Cooper later at UCLA, that he had administered ONLY a minimal Propofol dose to his patient ??

    Dr. White is indeed a brillant man but I do not trust him completely, even if his analysis looks stronger than Dr. Shafer's one : the master & the former student may compete with each other but where is the truth ? I rather tend to believe an outsider's statement like Tom Mesereau's one to Jane Velez lately. Mesereau is not only faithful to Michael's memory & blunt as his usual self but honest & plain logical. Mesereau is no God to me but at least one of the rare ones I would trust if I had to deal with a lawyer.

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  2. "Michael Jackson, Seventy Times Seven Leads to What?"

    490 rabbit holes,

    leading to...

    700 magical possibilities?

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  3. BONNIE : "Dr. White is handed Murray’s certification to administer moderate sedation which is conscious sedation. White testifies that that is Murray’s certification."

    This is one of your paras I missed to read earlier. So Propofol is NO moderate sedation !

    BONNIE said : "the scenario of self-injection right before noon or close to the tome of death would better explain the Propofol levels in the urine."

    So said Dr. White. Then where was Conrad Murray at the time Michael allegedly "injected himself" Propofol ? On the phone with the patients he once saved or his girlfriends ? And how come Michael could have got access to Propofol a/o Lorazepam tablets that should have been locked out of his grip ? Murray's private life style, I couldn't care less but professionally didn't he show gross negligence ??

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  4. Hi Bonnie. After watching: Elisabeth Taylor's Final Interview - RIP. I said to myself: "Poor MJ, no wonder you were messed up. You weren't crazy, the people in your life were crazy! Susanne

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  5. Hi Bonnie. Do you still think MJ is alive? And what are your readers and your friend Micheline thoughts about that. The autopsy photo is a fake no doubt about that. But the reason for that may be that the real one was gruesome as the defense said about it long before the trial began. Susanne

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  6. Line said - "So my instinct ONLY tells me that even if Michael was eventually responsible for his death by taking in on its own additional doses of Propofol or Lorazepam leading to his demise"

    ......... Well we don't know that. I don't think the defense even knows that. They are just trying to come up with a scenario that matches the EVIDENCE AT THE SCENE, Murray's testimony and THE PROPERTIES OF PROPOFOL in the different body systems.

    We still have not addressed the different MISSING or IGNORED evidence that was found at the scene like the extra fingerprints (that also did not belong to Michael Jackson or anyone in the house at the time as they were all tested), missing video, other bodyguards not interviewed.

    Truth in the last blog made a comment and shared with us a common "metaphor" in reference the the "elephant in the court room" that he said to DR. WHITE - but he SAID IT about Murray. So what is the glaring, obvious truth that people are unwilling or afraid to admit about Dr.Murray? (White elephant in the room).

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  7. @Line, sorry long comment so answering paragraph by paragraph -

    Between White and Shafer, I trust White more. Why? Because he is believable. He does however, move in the same established circles as Dr. Shafer and was trained first at Government facilities. He described Shafer as his friend.

    You said - "If so, WHY upon the Paramedics' arrival & request to him, did Murray not immediately indicate to them & also Dr. Rachelle Cooper later at UCLA, that he had administered ONLY a minimal Propofol dose to his patient ??"

    ...... We don't know that he DIDN'T tell them. We only know what they testified too. Richelle Cooper was schooled at DAVID GEFFEN'S school of medicine. She looked like she was on Lorazapam herself and FORGET Ms. Thailand Barbie doll.

    "I rather tend to believe an outsider's statement like Tom Mesereau's one to Jane Velez lately."

    ......... Go back and listen to Mesereau's statement CAREFULLY. Listen to the way he words it.

    There are a NUMBER of things going on here. This whole time leading up to the trial, we've had ample time to get OUT OF THE BOX the establishment has spent so much time trapping us into. We have gone over everything INCLUDING the way the press and the HIRED GROUPIES use bullying, repeating of the same mantra until it is accepted as truth, telling us how to think.

    I don't know how else to help but to put the information up there. In order for you to see any other possibility you have to allow for the possibility that he is alive and you seem unwilling to do that. The evidence that he IS alive is also out there but you don't want to see it. This closes doors to other pieces of information and evidence that are IN THIS TRIAL to be considered and analyzed.

    We have a courtroom with rotating stuffed animals (the elephant has been a mainstay). We have Attorney's accessorizing their ties with Halloween decorations, we have ROTATING ties between attorney's and defendent and we have off the wall comments that although have NO PLACE in the court room or a serious trial, being allowed and not objected to - amongst other things.

    Who's idea do you think this is? Murray's?

    You said - "This is one of your paras I missed to read earlier. So Propofol is NO moderate sedation !"

    ......... Line, it can be and HAS BEEN used for moderate AND LIGHT sedation. You are arguing with a 30+ year doctor? Even Shafer said this. These are studies that have already been done.

    You said - "So said Dr. White. Then where was Conrad Murray at the time Michael allegedly "injected himself" Propofol ? "

    ......... So said Dr. White. Is he lying? His explanation does make sense using SHAFER'S OWN GRAPHS to disprove him. The evidence WAS NOT AT THE SCENE for Shafer's models and it was not IN MICHAEL'S BODY for Shafer's models.

    Did Michael do it? Is that the ONLY other possibility? What of the other fingerprints and missing video footage?

    There is another reason for this trial . . .
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  8. Truthbtold -

    ""Michael Jackson, Seventy Times Seven Leads to What?"

    490 rabbit holes,

    leading to...

    700 magical possibilities? "

    .......... I got this covered. Actually two possibilities using the info you just posted. There is another deception afloat here too.
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    Susanne said - "Elisabeth Taylor's Final Interview - RIP. I said to myself: "Poor MJ, no wonder you were messed up. You weren't crazy, the people in your life were crazy! "

    ........... Michael wasn't messed UP he was messed WITH. No, he wasn't crazy, you are right, the people surrounding him were.

    Yes, I very much believe Michael is alive. You don't show FAKED evidence in a trial as EVIDENCE unless it is a MOCK TRIAL. The autopsy picture would have to be shown to show evidence of cause of death. They don't substitute those things.

    We're missing something. There is a reason this trial was closed early before White's cross examination.

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  9. Bonnie,
    There are two 'elephant' phrases in the English language-
    the 'elephant in the room' which has alreasdy been defined on your blog.
    'white elephant' which is an idiom for a valuable but burdensome possession of which its owner cannot dispose and whose cost (particularly cost of upkeep) is out of proportion to its usefulness or worth.
    I just thought I'd clarify for non-english-speaking readers.

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  10. Line said - "Murray's private life style, I couldn't care less but professionally didn't he show gross negligence ?? "

    I agree with this and this is Murray's own testimony/and phone records - but? Is it illusion?

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  11. Liberian Girl HeeheeOctober 29, 2011 at 5:49 PM

    Bonnie said: ...ROTATING ties between attorney's and defendent.... Yeah, like between Murray and Hatman too!

    What made you put "Get Together" on? One of my old time faves. <3

    Going to rent "The Illusionist" tonight and see what LaToya was talking about...

    So, now it's "He killed himself." First, he drank the prof. No, we admit that he didn't. I swear, the media and court moods sure can sway the court of public opinion.

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  12. Hi Bonnie. 666 is the number of the beast, right. Is 777 the number of God? Or is it 888, infinity? Susanne

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  13. Bonnie,Hi. Few points...Dr.White testified that propofol in its' infancy was "clear"and often mixed with saline(in the bag)to be infused.I heard this as, Michael was given this without his knowledge(I won't convert you).Next..Dr.Klein's own records show him to be a drug dealer,not a doctor.He definitely knows the effects of the drugs he administers.Last..propofol is a hypnotic,I heard this stated over and over.Think back to the 1993 Oprah interview when she asks him about grabbing his crotch.He stated that he didn't even realize that he did this until he watched playbacks.This was also the moment that the alarm went off...and in walks "handler"Elizabeth Taylor.
    P.S.It just struck me as funny when I saw"clowns"pop up after the comment I wrote.Also,I never watched CNN before 2009,and watched the interview with WillIAm.Peace.Linda

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  14. Liberian Girl said - "What made you put "Get Together" on? One of my old time faves."

    ...... I like "White Room" too by Cream even though the music/instrumental is obnoxious. My husband has been over-dosing on Johnny Cash and John Denver today. John Denver's death is also suspicious. Denver was their "folk" environmental boy. He must have done something to disappoint them. Did you ever read the investigation and what they found about his plane? His favorite song of mine was "Grandma's Feather Bed", LOL!

    I don't know what made me put the Youngbloods on. I love the melody of the song. It doesn't even need any lyrics, delicate harmony. Hmmmmmmm. Our friend from church calls this "clashy-bangey" music, LOL! I thought that was so cute.

    I told my husband I wanted to get the movie but I'm financially challenged. Maybe next week I'll get it. It should be discounted, it was released on 06. Yeah, forget the media in trying to interpret this trial. They're useless, but if anything they are also very revealing in just how pathetically "bought" they are. Mitchell interviewing Tom Mesereau is a classic example.
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    @Linda -
    I DO remember that about the clear propofol. You're talking as in - "Saline bag" OMG! In Jermaine's book he said when they walked in on Michael at the hotel room and Michael hooked up to an IV (1993 - Thailand, after his Neverland announcement), and he said Jackie walked over to the IV and said "What the hell is going on" and handled the bag "to make sure it was saline". Page 324! I am really upset now, very, very angry.

    You mention 1993 and Taylor walking in and you are right. I was back and forth on her but she fits all the other signs of establishment and we can't deny that. I'm back to being sick to my stomach, OMG, poor Michael! I am so sorry! Linda that hurts! I agree with you on Klein too. Klein (reportedly) calls Liz to "intervene" and she takes him to LONDON! The story is DEPENDENCY but . . . .

    1993 - Comes back, is on the awards show with his sister Janet (hugs to you Janet!) and Janet is DESPERATELY trying to get him to connect to her, tells him how much she admires and loves him. Michael does the "awww" and hugs her, then gets on the mic to talk about how he's been through a "cleansing" and you know what kind of talk THAT is! He is very heavily made up.

    Linda . . . :o(((((

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  15. I havent read everyones comments yet.....too sleepy as it's so late for me........but yet again Bonnie you deliver a blog that is so identifiable to me :-) Capeche??? lol capeche that is a word I use and like....God Bless you, my friend.....I will read it all again through properly plus comments after I have had some shut eye, and checked the inside of my eye lids for at least 5 hrs.... capeche?
    Love Jenny
    xx

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  16. Bonnie,
    You have got your 1993 timeline a bit mixed up, bless you:
    31 Dec 92 Michael completes first leg of Dangerous tour.
    24 Feb 93 Michael is at the Grammy's and talks about 'cleansing'.
    11 Nov 93 Dangerous tour is cancelled, Michael flies to London.
    10 Dec 93 Michael makes a televised statement from Neverland.

    I've always found it interesting that he was cleansing during the break in the Dangerous tour.
    I believe the tour went to Thailand in late August 93, so that would be when he was on the saline, and probably when things were coming to a head. The criminal investigation began late August, so the two dates coincide. Wouldn't that be why the family went to see him?

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  17. Bonnie,
    Plus, for the record, I love Tom Mesereau too! Hi Tom!

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  18. BONNIE : "The evidence that he IS alive is also out there but you don't want to see it."

    ..Maybe Michael was disguised when I crossed his path in the street ? :o) All I can say is : if Michael were alive, I would wish him all the HAPPINESS of the world !

    Bonnie, thank you for your time & answer. Like you all, I am very anxious about the forthcoming verdict. BTW with 3 weeks delay..hmm, I only read today about the David Gest's London film première that Tom Meserau & Susan Yu will also attend : I am glad that both remained in contact with the family.

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  19. The whole claim that 'Michael was dehydrated', 'he was receiving saline for dehydration':

    What about the two juice and one water glass beside his bed that White (It was White, wasn't it?) mentioned when talking about how quickly tablets are dissolved and pass through the stomach? He mentioned that as a factor, referencing somebody's statement. Saying, that drinking that much (healthy?) liquid could dissolve and push the tablets past the stomach more quickly. Thus, no drugs in the stomach at autopsy.

    You're not dehydrated if you're drinking that much water and juice.

    My next question is, how much was still in those glasses?

    Either way, there is no proof that Michael drank the juice and water if they are empty - somebody could have dumped them or, just coated the glass for 'effect'. And, no proof that he wasn't drinking juice and water if they were still full - could have been the 2nd round.

    Did they examine the contents and dust those glasses for fingerprints?

    Anyway, I do recall you pointing out, Bonnie that he was supposedly getting saline before rehearsals even began?

    Even if Michael was in rehearsals, he paced himself and held back in them. He wouldn't be sweating profusely like when he's giving it all in a concert. In the TII movie...was he ever dripping sweat in a photographically-unaltered scene?

    Yet another factor regarding the juice and water glasses - what about his supposed fear of being poisoned?

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  20. Hi Bonnie. "You said MJ wasn't messed UP. He was messed WITH." If you are messed WITH you eventuelly get messed UP, don't you? (I starting to sound like Flanagan, DON'T I?) That was what I meant when I said messed up. Susanne

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  21. Princessglam said - "There are two 'elephant' phrases in the English language-"

    ........ Thank you. I thought Truth did describe the two (on the blog before this one) thank you for clarifying here. :o)

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    Susanne said - "Hi Bonnie. 666 is the number of the beast, right. Is 777 the number of God? Or is it 888, infinity?"


    ............. Actually I'm getting ready to cover this today. "777" is also a Kabbalah number. I was looking for actual, biblical reference to this. Kabbalah's number system is a little different and from what I'm reading, manipulated depending on what they want to relation together. Gematria's origins are in Hebrew and Greek - so if the chicken came before the egg, we are okay, LOL!
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    Jenny said - "but yet again Bonnie you deliver a blog that is so identifiable to me :-) Capeche???"

    ......... LOL! My 4th grade teacher used to use that term all the time. Her name was Mrs. Terulski. And as many different elementary schools I went to, I am surprised I can still remember my teacher's names. Compartmentalization has it's benefits I guess!
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    Princess said - "I believe the tour went to Thailand in late August 93, so that would be when he was on the saline, and probably when things were coming to a head. The criminal investigation began late August, so the two dates coincide. Wouldn't that be why the family went to see him? "

    ........ Yep, you are probably right. I am looking in Jermaine's book on page 319 and he writes that Michael was "in Thailand on the Asian leg of his Dangerous Tour when police raided Neverland". On page 320 he describes the strip search (which supposedly happened at Neverland not in Thailand) then on page 324 he describes the family going to visit him to support him in Thailand. Did he come home from Thailand, get strip searched then go back? He made it sound like the raid and the "search" happened within days of each other.

    What do you think about "the cleansing" that he talks about? And what do you think about Janet's demeanor on stage? I FELT that, listening to her. It was like she didn't want to let him go.

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  22. Princess said - "Plus, for the record, I love Tom Mesereau too! Hi Tom! "

    ......... Hee-hee-hee, I had no doubt! Who doesn't? (except Sneddon).

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    Line said - "I only read today about the David Gest's London film première that Tom Meserau & Susan Yu will also attend : I am glad that both remained in contact with the family. "

    ......... You probably did pass him in the street and didn't know it - but you would feel him! Yes, I have the "RadarOnline" link about them going with Miss Katherine and Rebbie and Jackie I think? Or is it Tito? I was hoping they were going for LEGAL reasons, so in case Guest has anything STUPID in documentary to hurt Michael, TM can give him a good verbal dressing down! (I hope I'm wrong about the documentary but have you seen the trailer on Youtube?)
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    Truth said - "Did they examine the contents and dust those glasses for fingerprints?"

    ........ No, I believe they asked Alissa Fleak if the juice was tested and she said no.

    I never saw Michael "dripping sweat" in TII. I did see one picture of him where he had a bit of glistening on his forehead but no dripping sweat. Point taken on the fear of poisoning.

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  23. Oh no...John Denver too?

    Seems to be an endless list of suspicious deaths.

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  24. Bonniel, I believe you may have seen this video, but I put it, and would you give me your opinion on this video. This scene intrigues me very much, Michael would be protected by security guards there? if n is who? which the order to protect that person was coming in the same q q ambulance would be Michael?
    What do you think?
    Good Sunday, I love your blog its research, it is with God !!!!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faG0YjpRbNs&feature=player_embedded#!

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  25. @truth - Yes, John Denver too. I have not dug into his all the way, so I don't know exactly what it was that he did to tick them off. But there was something definitely screwey with that plane.
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    Estrella,
    There are several versions of this video. It is too unclear for me to really see but it may be a decoy. If Michael were going to fake his death, would he have made it THIS EASY to prove he is alive? He's craftier than that, but that is just my opinion. If they were trying to block views they didn't do a very good job. :o)

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  26. @Kathi -

    Thank you for your two links. Much appreciated. :o)

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