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Michael Jackson Justice: The Murder of Michael Jackson, Truth Unfolding

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Saturday, October 22, 2011

The Murder of Michael Jackson, Truth Unfolding

Day 15 Conrad Murray Michael Jackson Murder Trial
The Revealing of the Fraud 




Ecclesiastes 5:8
If thou seest the oppression of the poor, and violent perverting of judgment and justice in a province, marvel not at the matter: for he that is higher than the highest regardeth; and there be higher than they.




One Tear



Opening the stipulation is entered for 221-A “tab handle” refers to plastic portion of the bottle (on Propofol) to use as a hanging device.

Then Dr. Shaffer is called by Walgren

- Shafer indicates he reviewed the toxicology report and that he agrees that the results for Propofol and the true level of drugs in respect to metabolite.  And he reviewed the standards of practice for the coroner.

- Shafer agrees he inspected both the slit saline bag and empty bottles of Propofol.  He agrees that what he demonstrated yesterday could be consistent with the way the bag was slit by using he saline bag to support/hang the Propofol.

- Shafer says the eyes being open does not indicate whether it was a slow death or quick death.

- Shafer says that it IS possible that Michael could have put more Propofol in this IV when he was left alone, but he also agrees that doctor Murray left Michael to do so.

- If Michael had awoken and opened the roller clamp, it does not make Murray any less responsible for abandonment.





Chernoff Cross Examines Dr. Shafer

- Chernoff reviews Shafer’s expertise in pharmocokinetics and reviews the various avenues to get substances into the body – oral, anal, dermal (skin), inhalation, etc..

Chart Pharmocokinetics


- Small community of experts.  Chernoff asks Shafer about his computer program models and the consistency of concentration of a substance calculated.  Shafer admits results can vary from person to person but not that much.  The “mean” is the typical response.  Mean is average.  Median is half above and half below. Chernoff makes this point and Shafer changes his explanation to median.

- Chernoff asks if there is a computer program if you give a concentration it will give you many dosage examples.  Shafer says he knows of no computer program that will do that. 

- Chernoff goes after the demonstration Shafer did yesterday of putting the Propofol bottle into the slit in a saline bag as a method he said Murray may have used to administer Propofol to Michael.  Shafer said, “that’s not a method that’s just anesthesia”.  Chernoff asks if he showed two IV lines, none of which were at the scene.  One from Columbia and one from SeaCoast.  Chernoff asks why Shafer chose that IV line.  Shafer said he contacted Seacoast it they said it would have to be drop-shipped.  Chernoff asked if he looked for other suppliers outside of Columbia.  Shafer said he did but wouldn’t get it in time for the trial.  Chernoff then asks, “did you know that the prosecution had one?” 

- Funny Walgren wants to object to Chernoff using the actual exhibit instead of just a picture, to save time, LOL.

- Chernoff is using the same set up that Shafer used yesterday, but with the seacoast vented infusion tube.

- Chernoff has Shafer re-state what he said about the vent line needing to be open for the propofol to drain into the tubing.  Chernoff asks if the only evidence that Shafer said that was the line Murray used was because it appeared on an order from Seacoast.  Shafer said no, he was misstating the evidence.  Chernoff asks, well then what other evidence do you have that that same tube was used?

- Chernoff already has him tripping on what Shafer said yesterday.  Shafer states that judging by the Seacoast orders, Murray ordered four packs of them between 2007, 2008 and 2009.  Chernoff asks “You are aware that Murray had a cardiology practice, aren’t you?”

- Chernoff corners Shafer on the issue of “opinion vs. fact”.  Chernoff asks Shafer if he views his demonstration yesterday was fact or opinion.  Then he asked if he was aware that there will be other medical professionals that would disagree with him.  Finally Chernoff gets Shafer to agree that his testimony is OPINION.

- Chernoff is trying to match Shafer’s testimony to what Shafer said Murray said on the police interview.  Shafer admits that there were only 10cc syringes found on the scene but he used a 20cc syringe in the demonstration and the tubing was different then the sea coast tubing on the orders of Murray.

- The Propofol bottle during demonstration was different dimensions then the ones found at the scene.  The demonstration bottle was taller and thinner.  Chernoff gets Shafer to admit that his purchasing of saline bags and putting a slit in it was done on his own.  Shafer said he was curious because he had never seen anyone do that before (put a bottle of Propofol into a cut saline back to administer)  Chernoff asks, “In truth, you testified that you had never seen anyone do that before” to which Shafer says, “Not until Dr. Murray did it, no.”

- Chernoff says, “Dr. Shafer, how do you know Dr. Murray did that?”  Shafer says “just by the evidence presented”.  Chernoff says, “that’s what I thought”.

- Chernoff asks him if he read all the doctors reports prior to appointment.  Shafer says yes.  Chernoff asks if he read Dr. Larson’s report.  Shafer doesn’t remember but he knows Dr. Larson.

- Chernoff directs Shafer to page 14 of his own statements on his own report and ran his own simulation of administering 100ml of Propofol.  Whoa . . . Chernoff reads Shafer’s report that Shafer stated he identified the Propofol bottle found in the blue bag.  However Alvarez didn’t visit the evidence room and Identify the evidence until two days AFTER Shafer wrote the report. Then Shafer says he was attempting to coordinate his report from Alvarez’s initial statement.  (collusion!!!)

- Chernoff asks him if he even KNOWS Alvarez, and if he even listened to the transcript of the recording Alvarez had with paramedics.  He shows him Alvarez’s statement to police.  Shafer says it looks familiar and that is what he was referring to.  And Shafer based his report on his assumption that Alvarez was telling the truth.  Shafer said yes.  Chernoff then makes the point that Shafer had never known anyone to prop up a Propofol inside a saline bag, but that is was his assumption that was done just because there was a bag there with a slit in it.

- Chernoff is doing a good job showing the jury how assumptions based on extraordinary claims, should be accompanied by extraordinary evidence, something Shafer himself said about the Propofol sleep study.

- Chernoff brings up the one malpractice case Shafer ever testified in the last ten years.  Chernoff mentioned a Dr. Katz on the other side of that case and asks, “You didn’t like him that much” . . . and Shafer smiled and said, “correct”.

- Chernoff brings up his Standford education where Dr. White was an assistant professor.  The paper he did with Professor White in 1988.  Chernoff in 1978 went for a residency program at U of PA.  Both Dr. Shafer and his first wife had a relationship with Dr. White and they discussed his residency with Dr. White.  After U. of PA they both went back to Stanford in 1986.  Shafer and his wife were involved in the research that resulted in the paper in 1988.  Audrey, his first wife worked with Dr. White in 1983.  Audrey worked with White, Shafer worked with Stansky.  In 1988 Audrey did a paper on Propofol infusion and conversion calculations and Shafer did the computer models and wrote the program for this.

- Chernoff wanted to know the purpose of the paper – Dr. White’s investigation.  Shafer said he believes the purpose of White’s study was the finding the results of continuous Propofol infusion and he needed the Shafer’s mathematical assistance with this.

Graph provided for this study FDA Insert for use
Of continuous Propofol infusion for sedation


- There was two reports he did, one a revision of the 1988 paper.  The 88 paper was for intensive care usage of Propofol, the 1992 revision with different numbers was for surgical infusion.


Afternoon Break


- Shafer testifies that the MAC sedation work was done in 1991 and his paper in 1996 are two different graphs.  Chernoff summarizes that if the data isn’t correct, then the graph isn’t going to be correct.

- Three Propofol papers he prepared shown in court.  Pg 9 of CD, involves pharmakokinetics of Propofol in children.  He was not the principle in that paper.  Pg 11, number 57 in the CD was a paper Propofol and two other drugs, he was principle for the Propofol study.  Chernoff asks if he did studies using human beings and Shafer said yes.

- Page 10 #54 of CD – Inhalation vs intravenous anesthesia.  Shafer said it was a fictitious debate and he played the roles of both Dr. White and Dr. Eager.  The debating doctor prepared the same material so Shafer had to debate himself.  Dr. Eager won the debate over Dr. White.

- Chernoff asks about a dismissive statement Shafer made about Dr. White.  Shafer read the letter from Dr. White to Attorney Flanagan.  Shafer stated that White wrote that it is speculated that Michael added Lidocaine to a drink bottle.

- After some back and forth bickering with objections Chernoff is finally allowed to ask if Shafer read the autopsy report on the Propofol in the stomach.  Chernoff then asks if this resulted in Shafer conducting a study on piglets.  Shafer then contacted Ian Glen – The chemist.  In response Chernoff then says Shafer performed an oral study with humans in Chile.  The prosecutor did not ask them to do that.  Ian Glen had also done a study of the same using Beagles – larger mammals.  Dr. White said he had ruled it out.  Shafer says this is the first he heard that White had done a study.   Who paid for the study?  Shafer says he paid for the Propofol, volunteers were not paid. Study took two months.  He wrote a paper, and submitted it to an international conference and submitted it for a peer review and sent it to Dr. White and Ficher and Glen.  The question of oral viability of oral consumption of Propofol.  Despite that a first year medical student (Shafer’s words) should know first pass metabolism.

- Chernoff asks, “So you went far beyond what Dr. White did then came into court and stated Shafer said he was ‘disappointed’ in Dr. White”  Chernoff then says you went even further by swallowing Propofol himself before coming into court or writing his statement.  Chernoff says, “You did all this knowing that Dr. White was not going to say that Michael Jackson swallowed Propofol”.  Shafer says that he did not know what Dr. White was going to say.

- Chernoff states from Shafer’s model that the first dose of Lorazapam was around Midnight.  Chernoff asks “Are you aware that Michael Jackson hadn’t even left the Staples center.

- Shafer had second shot on the simulation at 12:30 , but Michael was in a blue escalade at that time and was not home yet.

- Third shot was at 1am.  Shafer’s simulation had an additional line as Michael being unresponsive to stimuli between 9am and 10am.  This means patient would be asleep.  Michael was reportedly still awake at this time.

Chart


- Continuing in Shafer’s simulation, after the 7th shot we’re above that painful stimulus line.  According to Shafer’s simulation Michael was asleep between 2am and 10am.  Shafer says that’s not the case because he does not know what Michael could tolerate based on usage every day  for 80 days.  Chernoff asks him where Murray stated he used them every day for 80 days.  Shafer states that he is going by the shipments of drugs because he has no medical records. Chernoff then asks “so because you have no medical records you assume that all those drugs were being used on Michael Jackson? “ and he said “Drug orders are not the same as drug usage”.

- Chernoff asks that judging by Shafer’s report that Shafer suggests that Murray gave Michael a far higher dose of Lorazapam probably 40mg.  Chernoff asks why he took the “painful stimuli” line off the graph two days ago and Shafer said he wanted to make it easier for the jury to understand, that they were complicated graphs.  (Huh???)  Chernoff asks “you don’t think the jury would understand a graph like that?

- Chernoff asks Shafer about the half life of a tablet of Lorazapam orally ingested and what it does once it hits the stomach.  Half life Shafer says is about 22 minutes, concentration is about 92 percent.


Graph Simulation with Dr. White’s Simulation added



Graph of same dose of Propofol given over 5 minutes instead



- These were done based on what Murray told police.  The one Shafer did was an immediate push – Bolus.  Chernoff discusses the FDA Senecas discusses the standard for 2 minutes and Shafer says that is for anesthesia not sedation.  Chernoff asks “how long for sedation” and Shafer says “three to five minutes”.

- Chernoff asks Shafer to explain why the slow injection for Propofol, because there is a delay when you give a bolus.  Shafer was concerned if the infusion was too fast, the patient would get more deeply sedated then intended with infusion running.  So three to five minutes was the right balance.

- Chernoff asks “the danger of bolus infusion is apnea?” and Shafer says “yes.”

- Chernoff asks what Michael’s brain concentrations of Propofol were according to the coroner.  Shafer says he does not find a Propofol concentration in the brain on the coroner’s report.



Court Adjourns until Monday.


This weekend I will continue working on where we left off last weekend, but I noticed something during the trial.  I was trying to understand the significance of the 32 star Seal of the State of California and I wondered if it had anything to do with admiralty law.  Since my husband and I were learning a bit about that this past summer, I went back to some of the links that explained what happens to a person the court room, and how our Constitutional “common law” was replaced by Admiralty law and very few American’s know it.  This was another idea of “the bankers”.

Here is some information (condensed) that I found on one site with the links to our own Constitution and

First the appearance of our flag is defined in Title 4 sec. 1. U.S.C..

"The flag of the United States shall be thirteen horizontal stripes, alternate red and white; and the union of the flag shall be forty-eight stars, white in a blue field." (Note - of course when new states are admitted new stars are added.)

A foot note was added on page 1113 of the same section which says:

"Placing of fringe on the national flag, the dimensions of the flag, and arrangement of the stars are matters of detail not controlled by statute, but within the discretion of the President as Commander-In-Chief of the Army and Navy." - 1925, 34 Op.Atty.Gen. 483.

The president as military commander can add a yellow fringe to our flag. When would this be done? During a time of war. Why? A flag with a fringe is an ensign, a military flag. Read the following.

"Pursuant to U.S.C. Chapter 1, 2, and 3; Executive Order No. 10834, August 21, 1959, 24 F.R. 6865, a military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW FRINGE, bordered on three sides. The President of the United states designates this deviation from the regular flag, by executive order, and in his capacity as COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF of the Armed forces."

From the National Encyclopedia, Volume 4:

"Flag, an emblem of a nation; usually made of cloth and flown from a staff. From a military standpoint flags are of two general classes, those flown from stationary masts over army posts, and those carried by troops in formation. The former are referred to by the general name flags. The latter are called colors when carried by dismounted troops. Colors and Standards are more nearly square than flags and are made of silk with a knotted Fringe of Yellow on three sides...........use of the flag. The most general and appropriate use of the flag is as a symbol of authority and power."

The reason I started with the Flag issue is because it is so easy to grasp. The main problem I have with the yellow fringe is that by its use our Constitutional Republic is no more. Our system of law was changed without the public's knowledge. It was kept secret. This is fraud. The American people were allowed to believe this was just a decoration. Because the law changed from Common Law (God's Law) to Admiralty Law (the kings law) your status also changed from sovereign to subject. From being able to own property (allodial title) to not owning property (tenet on the land). If you think you own your property, stop paying taxes, it will be taken under the prize law.

"The ultimate ownership of all property is in the state; individual so-called `ownership' is only by virtue of government, i.e., law, amounting to a mere user; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State." - Senate Document No. 43, "Contracts payable in Gold" written in 1933.”

So one of the first things I checked is the law on using the State Seal in a court room and found no law, but I did find this meaning of the state seal in the California Library website:

The Constitutional Convention of 1849 adopted the Great Seal of the State of California. The seal was designed by Major R. S. Garnett of the United States Army, and proposed by Caleb Lyon, a clerk of the convention. The Roman goddess of wisdom, Minerva, has at her feet a grizzly bear and clusters of grapes representing wildlife and agricultural richness. A miner works near the busy Sacramento River, below the Sierra Nevada peaks. The Greek word "Eureka" meaning "I have found it", probably refers to the miner's discovery of gold. Near the upper edge of the seal are 31 stars representing the number of states with California's anticipated admission. Just as Minerva sprung full-grown from the head of Jupiter, California became a state on September 9, 1850, without having to go through a territorial stage.”   Source

Information on Major R. S. Garnett – Is this the same guy?  http://www.amazon.com/Brevet-Garnett-Captain-Regiment-Infantry/dp/B0008BCML6

Considering an US Army Major designed the seal, I wonder if that too, meant the courts in California would fall under “Admiralty Law”.

Here is a picture of the real Seal of California (discussed before)
31 Stars


This is the one shown at the start, during breaks, and at days end
Of the Conrad Murray Trial - 32 Stars



Regardless of the significance of Major Garnett, I asked Micheline if she could remember if there was fringe on the U.S. flag in the court room since she had seen the last hour of the trial today, I honestly couldn’t remember, even though I kept telling myself “look for it!”  She said she didn’t think there was.

So she searched for some pictures and I searched for video and sure enough . . . None of the flags in the various pictures had fringe!

The Flag In Judge Pastor’s Courtroom




To repeat, the appearance of the flag and the characteristics of the flag in the courtroom, just as on a ship, tells you what jurisdiction you are in when you walk into the court room.

Flags Inside Normal Court Rooms taken off the Web
Note Gold Fringe along edges of Flag



The absence of the gold maritime fringe on the flag means that this court room is being run under common law (as per our Constitution, God’s Law), and not the Zionist contrived “Admiralty Law”.

Our American Common Law by Howard Fisher and Dale Pond Common Law is a real thing. It is a real system of laws derived from centuries of work, study and sacrifice of millions of people. It is not trivial and inconsequential as some would have you think. It is the Common Law that is most represented within Our Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Our Bill of Rights. These documents were designed to limit and eliminate the vicious Equity, Maritime or Admiralty Law which was what we revolted against as Our Revolution against the totalitarianism of England.”  Source

You can read more on Admiralty Law here - http://www.barefootsworld.net/admiralty.html

A Good comparison chart for Common vs. Admiralty law is here:

This comes back to the videos I posted earlier this summer about the construction and adoption of the Uniform Commercial Code and Admiralty Law:

1951 - On May 18, during a joint meeting with the American Law Institute in Washington, D.C., the UCC was approved. Later that year the ABA formally approved the code as well. Considered the outstanding accomplishment of the Conference, the Code remains the ULC's signature product.

One of the Uniform Laws drafted by the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws and the American Law Institute governing commercial transactions (including sales and leasing of goods, transfer of funds, commercial paper, bank deposits and collections, letters of credit, bulk transfers, warehouse receipts, bills of lading, investment securities, and secured transactions), The Uniform Commercial Code (UCC), has been adopted in whole or substantially by all states. (See: Blacks Law, 6th Ed. pg. 1531) In essence, all court decisions are based on commercial law or business law and has criminal penalties associated with it. Rather than openly calling this new law Admiralty/Maritime Jurisdiction, it is called Statutory Jurisdiction.

America as a bankrupt nation is owned completely by its creditors.

The creditors own the Congress, they own the Executive, they own the Judiciary and they own all the State governments. Do you have a Birth Certificate? They own you too. ”  Source

I am telling you, there is more to this trial then meets the eye.  This is all interesting reading which we will cover later.  Most Eurpopean countries participate in this by the way.  It’s not just the U.S.

I have not yet figured out the benefit of trying this in a “Common Law” court as opposed to the “Admiralty Law” jurisdiction. 

We’ve seen this before


Common Law vs. Admiralty Law


Listen to this carefully and you may understand one of the purposes of this trial.

You may also understand one of the reasons Michael is gone.

We should all be so smart.

God Bless you and have a good weekend.



Don’t Fight These Hands
That Are Holding You

One more, for inspiration
This is why Justice will prevail

65 comments:

  1. Bonnie,
    My question is this: is the state seal we are shown actually the one in the courtroom? Or, was it created by some klutz from the media, as a 'holding picture'?
    The 32nd state is Minnesota, and their seal is quite different!

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  2. Bonnie,Hi. Hope all is well with you. I'm glad that you pointed out the flag. It is something I also made note of. While waiting for trial to resume,I watched Lindsey Lohan in court. TMZ showed the state seal before court started and (I could be wrong)counted 31 stars. Also in the courtroom the flag on display had the gold fringe unlike the courtroom for Michael,which does not. Same building.
    P.S. Another point that I noted a couple days ago. When they were discussing the camera's on the Carolwood property,they stated that there was one camera that was not working. That camera was on a side door,next to a street. This camera was an entrance that leads to an "underground" garage.Peace.Linda

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  3. Bonnie,Hi. After watching that video I checked birth certificates. Mine,my deceased husband,my four sons. Only the last two sons ,and only the last name,are capitalized.(1987,1988)We were all born in the same state.Peace.Linda

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  4. Bonnie
    I had heard this explanation of human rights at the beginning of this. I think its finally starting to sink in.
    By the way...reading Jermaines book and feeling like the book is alot about Jermaine and not so much about Michael:( but only halfway through

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  5. Bonnie,
    Following on from my previous comment, it looks like someone has taken a picture of this seal (I don't know where this is )and pasted onto another background (the stripey background) and then added a star.
    http://community.onelegal.com/Portals/24153/images/Seal%20of%20California-resized-600.jpg

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  6. What did anyone make of Shafer's outbursts of silliness during his testimony? Well, not really outbursts but in a court setting it seemed almost like it, not taking it seriously. He found some things so funny he couldn't contain himself. It strikes me odd that a man of his supposed caliber would act that way during legal proceedings. In a strange way too it seemed almost familiar.

    I was surprised how much Shafer blabbered extra information too.

    I found it rather entertaining how Chernoff disentangled Shafer's testimony (that I hadn't known was tangled). A confident Shafer came undone, became uncomfortable and fidgety at times. Reminded me of Richelle Cooper's reactions, if only in her eyes - when she apparently perceived the integrity of her professional career being attacked on cross examination. (Your favorite player I know, Bonnie! LOL)

    I thought Shafer's testimony appeared strong up through Thursday.

    After Cheroff ripped Shafer's testimony and demonstrations apart, we are left with a man whose credentials and experience claims are extraordinary, but not verifiable at this time. It could be part of a kinetic lesson on how "expert" witnesses can be created.

    When keeping 'illusion' in mind, yup, I think we are witnessing the process of layers being peeled away to expose the true and vast extent of corruption. I'm hoping for a house of cards that will rip it out at the roots and call people to action once and for all.

    Again, "WE have 4 years to get it right."

    From yesterday's blog: "I Know Your Game, What You're About".

    (He undoubtedly knows their names too. )

    "Well they say the sky's the limit and to me that's really true. But my friend you have seen nothin' just wait til I get through...because I'm bad, I'm bad"

    And the whole world has to answer right now to tell you once again...who's bad."

    I think the true physical meaning is slowly unfolding on many of Michaels songs.

    Remember Joe's teachings on success. Success to Michael's standards means years of preparation, beginning with the orchestra in his head.

    Michael would not have been this bold in his lyrics without confidence in his own words. Confidence - knowing HOW he was going to back up his words with action. In this case, preparation would include exhaustive research aided by...inside information. But, tackling this giant would also require a network and the help of insiders, possibly 'planted' long ago. Imagine Michael already having solid plans back in the Bad days!

    I can see this blowing the top off of the entire corrupt "justice" system. From there, the entire system worldwide. Hoping...

    Was judge Michael Pastor one of the judges that Richard Fine exposed as taking bribes, being corrupt?

    Thank you for the lesson on admiralty and common law, Bonnie. So we are all 'subjects' just like the British people are to the queen. Wonderful. I have to wonder if they played both sides of the American Revolution, never truly lost their footing but laid hiding for a time.

    The flag fringe...

    If a fringeless flag is no longer in "courts of law" then surely Judge Pastor is aware of this and noticed the flag in his courtroom has no fringe and the significance of that. Any thoughts?

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  7. Princessglam said - "My question is this: is the state seal we are shown actually the one in the courtroom? Or, was it created by some klutz from the media, as a 'holding picture'?"

    and you said - "it looks like someone has taken a picture of this seal (I don't know where this is )and pasted onto another background (the stripey background) and then added a star"

    ........ I think Linda answered that question above. Lindsay Lohan had her hearings in the same courthouse and they also showed the seal of California with the correct amount of stars and the FRINGE on the flag in the court room.

    That looks similar to the seal, but this same seal is being shown on CNN and "On The Red Carpet" and ABC live feeds, so this isn't just a "station" thing. If they would fake one for Michael they would fake one for Lohan too.
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    Linda said - "When they were discussing the camera's on the Carolwood property,they stated that there was one camera that was not working. That camera was on a side door,next to a street. This camera was an entrance that leads to an "underground" garage"

    ........... someone else had pointed that out to me too and I didn't even catch that. Amazing how THAT CAMERA is the one that doesn't work and THE BEDROOM is the one that security video is erased on.

    You said - "Bonnie,Hi. After watching that video I checked birth certificates. Mine,my deceased husband,my four sons. Only the last two sons ,and only the last name,are capitalized.(1987,1988)We were all born in the same state."

    ........ The last name in ALL CAPS, correct?
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  8. Truth said - "What did anyone make of Shafer's outbursts of silliness during his testimony? "

    ........ The ones who feel the need to over-explain their answers are usually the ones lying. Shafer a lot of times wouldn't let the attorney just ask a question for "yes or no" questions. Judge Pastor was good at controlling that, telling Shafer "you can explain on cross examination, that's what cross examination is for".

    You said - "I found it rather entertaining how Chernoff disentangled Shafer's testimony (that I hadn't known was tangled). A confident Shafer came undone, became uncomfortable and fidgety at times."

    ......... I think this is why the dust-up between Flanagan and Chernoff because Flanagan was letting good opportunties pass and he was a lot of times asking questions that were irrelevant to evidence presented. This reminds me of the stuff that went on in Michael's trial too. I'm waiting for Flanagan to fall asleep and for Chernoff to fire him. I know Chernoff is not a likable character, but he is a defense attorney. It's his job to save his client's freedom and he has to be direct. He is good at what he does, but he does get a bit antagonistic, asking inflammatory questions. But I believe he's doing it to get his point across the the jury how ridiculous some of the testimony is. He knows it's going to get an objection but he does it anyway.

    In the same way Walgren keeps re-peating the same mantra by having the witness constantly re-affirm their statements even if the statement was not backed by evidence and/or was objected on before. This is very similar to what the press and the media does to us to get us to believe the lies in the press . . . repeat it often enough it becomes the truth. (I can't believe I did that! I typed "troot", LOL! Sorry Murray!)

    I think many of Michael's songs are actually God talking through him. God's message. Michael's not an ego-maniac and when I see how heavily studied he was in the Bible and history, it's almost the same as a prophet in the Bible speaking FOR God, repeating what God told them to tell the people . . . Only Michael is singing it. When you look at some of his songs that way, I don't know . . . just gives me a lot of comfort.

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  9. @Everyone:

    - I just saw this posted not in comments but somewhere else. Someone asked me:

    "is there significance to no propofol being found in michael jacksons brain"

    That must have been response to Shafer's testimony above I posted:

    "- Chernoff asks what Michael’s brain concentrations of Propofol were according to the coroner. Shafer says he does not find a Propofol concentration in the brain on the coroner’s report."


    **************** Hello!****************

    Doesn't propfol work "in the brain, not in the blood"? Why is there not measurable propofol in the brain? If Propofol is what killed Michael, and this is where it works, wouldn't there be concentrations of it THERE not just in the femoral artery or traces in the stomach?

    Propofol effected brain would cause apnea . . . I would stop the lungs from breathing so Propofol SHOULD BE IN THE BRAIN.

    I missed that too, anyone else catch this?

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  10. Bonnie,Yes.All caps,only the last name,and only the two youngest.Peace.Linda

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  11. Bonnie, Caught it. I think that is where the trial left off yesterday. Shafer was looking for the report of the autopsy when counsel was called to the bench. When they came back,they recessed.Patiently waiting the answer. When this all began and we were learning what Propofol was I remember thinking that for there to be that much in him at autopsy,it had to still be infusing.With no blood flowing it would be like filling a container(such as a water bottle).The half life is very short,almost instant.Peace.Linda

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  12. I have a question on the California Seals. If you look at the drawing versus the medallion one there are more discrepancies than just the number of stars across the top. Minerva's costume is different and there are more stars on the beetle shield as well. Her spear points to the "K" in the drawing and between the "E" & "K" in the medallion. Mountains are different too, though that is a mouldling issue from drawing to medallion look. "The Great Seal of the State of California" around the edge is not even lined up the same. Whoever "redesigned" this didn't pay very good attention to detail.

    Kind of reminds you of those magazine challenges: Can you find at least 6 differences in the two pictures?

    Is that medallion look one the one shown at the start of the trial? I can't watch so don't know.

    I woke up to Michael's "One blow to the head is all you need. I ain't taken it -CHEATER" That was my waking moment, Michael's song "Cheater". I think the "cheaters" are being called out.

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  13. Hi Bonnie. So I guess Dr.Murray will be a free man in the end. And MJ's death will remain a mystery. Susanne

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  14. I'm still on "Cheater". Here are the words. Definitely fits in with your blog for today!

    Cheater Lyrics

    VERSE ONE
    You know I work to hard for this kinda play, (ho!)
    I wrote a letter, for the getto of the CIA, (ho!)
    I don't care a jack, or about what cha' do, (ho!)
    Just put ya dime on the line baby, cos i own you, (ho!)

    CHORUS
    Somebody said, give up instead on how you feel, (ah-uh)
    One blow to the head is all you need
    (I aint takin it..ya,)
    Cheater (oooooh!, Do it!, What!, (Ya Got) Do it!, What! (Get back on me...))

    VERSE TWO
    Now you better go and get yourself some attitude!
    I know ya name and the game is "I own you" (ho!)
    Ya, tellin' me that ya comin to a compramise (ho!)
    Ya smilin at me while, ya stealin right before my eyes (Daggone it (ho!))

    CHORUS
    Somebody said, give up instead on how ya feel, (ah-uh)
    One blow to the head is all ya need,
    (I aint takin it, ya...)
    Cheater (ooooooooooh! Do it!, What, Do it!, What!, Get back on me...)

    BRIDGE
    I hurt my backbone baby,
    I start to give it up,
    Life is an aggrovator,
    Sumtimes I part it up,
    I broke my radiator,
    I'm indestructible,
    I pray to leave my body,
    Don't you ever call!

    VERSE THREE
    I don't care a jack, or about what you do (ho!)
    Just sign your name on the line baby, I own you (Daggone it)
    (You are a...)
    Cheater (oooo0000ooh!, Give it to me, What!, What!, get jack on me...)

    CHORUS
    Somebody said, give up instead on how you feel, (aah-uh)
    One blow to the head is all you need,
    (I aint takin' it..!)
    Cheater... (ooohh) Daggone it, Got-Give Give it to me, (cheatin baby)
    (You are a..) Cheater...

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  15. Cerebrospinal fluid concentration
    Engdahl and colleagues [14] measured the propofol concentration in the arterial blood and that in the CSF simultaneously in neurosurgical patients with respect to a step-down propofol infusion. The anaesthesia was induced with a bolus of propofol (2 mg kg-1) within 2 min and maintained with a continuous infusion of propofol commencing 5 min after the start of induction at an initial infusion rate of 8 mg kg-1 h-1 for 15 min and then reduced to 6 mg kg-1 h-1. A similar manner of propofol infusion is assumed for the pharmacokinetic model. The propofol concentration in the arterial blood and that in the CSF were simulated. The results are shown in Fig. ​Fig.2;2; the clinical data of Engdahl and colleagues [14] are also shown for comparison.
    Figure 2

    Figure 2
    Response of (a) blood and (b) CSF propofol concentration to short-term infusion. Results for pharmacokinetic part of integrative model are compared with clinical data [14].
    The simulated blood propofol concentrations at 2.5, 5, 15 and 30 min were 6.4, 2.1, 2.3 and 2.0 μg ml-1, respectively, as shown in Fig. 2(a). The concentration of propofol in the blood increased rapidly during induction. After the bolus was administered, the concentration decreased rapidly. This is consistent with the pharmacokinetics of propofol; that is, its rapid clearance from the blood produces the fast recovery characteristic of the drug. During anaesthesia maintenance, the concentration in the blood increased progressively although it depended on the infusion rate. This reflects the accumulation of propofol in the blood. However, a plateau concentration was reached.
    As shown in Fig. 2(b), the simulated CSF propofol concentrations increased during the 30-min simulation. The concentration of propofol in the CSF increased more slowly during induction than it did in the blood. The concentrations at 2.5, 5, 15 and 30 min were 9.1, 22.0, 41.1 and 41.6 ng ml-1, respectively. The concentration at 30 min was 2.1% of the blood concentration. These results show that the CSF propofol concentration is positively correlated with, and much lower than, the blood propofol concentration.
    All the simulation results agree well with the clinical data. Engdahl and colleagues [14] reported that, for a similar manner of propofol infusion in neurosurgical patients, the blood propofol concentration increased rapidly during induction and reached a plateau concentration (mean 2.24 μg ml-1) in about 5 min, which is comparable to our simulation results. In their report, the CSF propofol concentration showed a slower increase during induction and remained almost constant at 35.5 ng ml-1 15–30 min after induction. It was estimated to be 50- to 100-fold lower than that in blood.
    Altogether, the blood and CSF propofol concentrations predicted by the model are comparable to the clinical data for short-term (30 min) infusion.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2217543/

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  16. Bonnie,
    I also noted the question about propofol not being found in the brain, but wasn't sure what the significance was. Sometimes all this medical information is overwhelming (my head hurts!). It's a bit like the concentrations of drugs in the femoral artery - that seems to raise red flags too.
    As for Schafer's nervous laughing, I think sometimes when you are under pressure and you are having to answer serious questions, you start laughing inappropriately. A bit like going into an exam, reading the papers and thinking 'I can't do any of this' and giggling - its not funny, its a release of tension.
    I was looking for interior photos of the courtroom to compare the seal, and came across Lohan's pictures, but did not see the footage. I did find a photo of what appears to be the same courtroom, with a flag with a yellow border:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/40388426@N02/3794764361/

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  17. Linda said - "When they were discussing the camera's on the Carolwood property,they stated that there was one camera that was not working. That camera was on a side door,next to a street. This camera was an entrance that leads to an "underground" garage"

    Yes, that is why in the theory I posted several days ago, I had Michael escaping from the house on 25th June, via a side door. I wonder if this is the garage or there is another one:

    http://bellcurveoflife.blogspot.com/2009/06/100-carolwood-drive.html

    The fans would be round the front entrance, and probably no one would be watching this garage.

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  18. Bonnie said:
    "I think many of Michael's songs are actually God talking through him. God's message."

    Well yah. If I recall, I pointed that out when you wrote about 'Cry' - him answering God's call.

    What about songs like 'Threatened', Is that God talking through him, or Michael just venting?

    Michael's not an ego-maniac..."

    I have never thought of Michael as an ego-maniac. No argument there. I think most people here know it's about his gifts, his abilities and creative genius; his determination to change the world, which not even he could do by himself.

    I don't really think anything we say here is going to stop or disrupt what has been set into motion.

    Faith...

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  19. Linda said - "Bonnie,Yes.All caps,only the last name,and only the two youngest.Peace"

    I don't know whether you want to give away which state you live in. In PA. they recognize and adhere to Admiralty law in their courts. I also don't know if All CAPS specifically denotes incorporation, but there is a site you can look up to see if you are being 'traded' in the stock market and for how much. I published it on a previous blog. I can find it for you if you are interested.
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    Linda said "Shafer was looking for the report of the autopsy when counsel was called to the bench. When they came back,they recessed.Patiently waiting the answer. "

    ........ Exactly. But Shafer did answer the question before they left (is that what you said? I couldn't tell, LOL). When they came back from "the bench" Judge Pastor said there was a question in progress and Chernoff re-asked the question. Shafer stated that he did not see a brain concentration for propofol on the autopsy report.
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    Blake said - "If you look at the drawing versus the medallion one there are more discrepancies than just the number of stars across the top. Minerva's costume is different and there are more stars on the beetle shield as well. "

    .......... Well the drawing is GOING to look different than the 3 dimensional version. I copied that drawing of the seal because it was directly on the california.gov site, so it was official that it was 31 stars as opposed to the 32 stars.

    Blake, what album is "Cheater" on?

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  20. Anonymous said - "Cerebrospinal fluid concentration
    Engdahl and colleagues"


    .......... I read through this and checked the source links. I am assuming (correct me if I'm wrong, please) that you are trying to show me what propofol levels would be in the brain at different infusion rates, right?

    I understand that the concentrations would be lower in the brain, depending on infusion rate. But what the case is with Michael in this trial and according to the autopsy report that Shafer says he read, there was no stated concentration rate in the brain.

    There would have to be something to be measured in the brain for propofol to cause apnea, because as Shafer said, it works IN THE BRAIN not IN THE BLOOD. It can collect in fatty tissue but it won't do anything. It has to reach the brain through the blood stream.

    If the autopsy report that Shafer read is the correct one, and there is no measurable concentration in the brain of propofol, I would have to assume that propofol could very well have been administered AFTER DEATH. Which means that Propofol is NOT WHAT KILLED HIM.

    Is this what you were trying to show me? Thank you for the links. I noticed that neither Shafer's name, nor Dr. White, nor any of the doctors Shafer mentioned in his studies were on that report from Sweden.

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  21. Bonnie – thank you for your response on yesterday’s post. To tell you the truth, I did not catch Friday’s re-cross testimony, you’re right. The reason is Chernoff makes his questions difficult to follow and also make some sarcastic remarks and he is argumentative. It will be better if he calms down a little bit and make his questions simple to understand. I am sure he has some good points to make but if I were a juror, I would be so irritated with his desperate attempt to disqualify witnesses. I hope he will relax a bit so I can understand him. By the way, I don’t know if anybody feels the same way about him.

    I have heard that Dr. White is the one at the beginning who gave them the idea Michael drunk the Propofol, and that’s why they were perusing that route until they abandoned it.

    You said, “I want to see who this surprise witness is AND what this detective who was supposedly at the house the night of the murder says.” Wow, are you saying the defense are going to have a surprise witness? This is going to be very interesting. Maybe finally we will hear who is responsible for Michael’s death. No matter what proof presented by both side, I will not accept the way the defense is going, making Michael responsible.
    Mimi

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  22. Bonnie,

    I would like to know what YOU think as to why there are 2 different Seals of California.

    I would like to know what YOU thinks as to why one Flag has gold fringe and the other Flag does not.

    How would YOU, Bonnie, explain these discrepencies?

    I myself, haven't got a clue so, Please help me here.
    I am going NUTS with all these discrepencies!

    I don't know what to think anymore! Help!!!!!

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  23. Princessglam said - "It's a bit like the concentrations of drugs in the femoral artery - that seems to raise red flags too."

    Like Linda said, it's like filling a closed container. If the person is no longer breathing and/or his circulation has stopped, High concentrations of Propofol will be in the blood but will not metabolize and will not get to the brain.

    If the person died WHILE INFUSION WAS STILL OCCURRING there would still be a reading in the brain because once dead the body does not metabolize.


    Good picture on the court room at LA. I don't know if this is exactly the same court room, but you can see part of the seal up on the wall behind the judge's seat. That doesn't appear in Judge Pastor's courtroom and I didn't see that in Lohan's court room although she did have the gold fringe flag in the court room. (Not behind the judge though).


    Underground garage - I'm looking at the arials of that house and I have come the conclusion that THAT house is way too big to live in. I prefer to have a flying chance in you-know-where that I will ever see the people I live with again without having to refer to a map.

    On your question about the underground garage. I think that is the only one. Side door? I didn't see where that would be on those pics.

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  24. Truth said - "Well yah. If I recall, I pointed that out when you wrote about 'Cry' - him answering God's call."

    .... Well YAH!!! LOL! Yes, I remember you pointed out that it looked like God was talking (chorus) and Michael was answering (I can't do it by myself). But I'm talking about most of his songs. I think the first one I felt this about strongly was "You are My Life" and "Speechless", which is what made me go back over his songs again (it was another messy day in the EYE department!)

    "Threatened" That's a very creative song, and very "in your face" to the powers that be. I believe Threatened is a very direct message to those who tried to shut him down and shut him up.

    "I don't really think anything we say here is going to stop or disrupt what has been set into motion.

    Faith... "

    VERY, very true and astute statement. ;o)

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  25. Mimi said - "The reason is Chernoff makes his questions difficult to follow and also make some sarcastic remarks and he is argumentative. It will be better if he calms down a little bit and make his questions simple to understand."

    ..... What do you mean TRYING to discredit the witness . . . he DID discredit the witness. He was very SKILLFUL in showing how OFF Shafer's models were (had Murray giving Michael medications before he even left the staples center) because he was going by OTHERS TESTIMONY and not the autopsy results (Alvarez, who's own story didn't match paramedics, using different equipment then Murray ordered, going by orders from a medical supply company and not what was actually in Murray's system)

    I know you don't like him, but I do. Between Chernoff and Flanagan, I think Chernoff is more to the efficient and more direct in his questioning.

    See that ticks me off (not you, the press) reporting that it was Dr. White that gave people the idea he thought Michael tried to swallow propofol. Chernoff proved that Shafer did that testing ON HIS OWN and he said to Shafer "whatever gave you the idea Dr. White said that?"

    What the press reported that the defense was going to DO is not fact. This is why I refuse to let them color how I feel about the defense team, the prosecution team or any of the witnesses.

    Michael Jackson "Just because you see it in a magazine or see it on the t.v. screen don't make it factual" . . . "Just because it's in the news or in print doesn't make it the gospel".
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    Josie said - "How would YOU, Bonnie, explain these discrepancies? "

    ......... Didn't I explain in the blog and the comments the possible explanations for the discrepancies? California Seal - Not sure of the legalities on that.

    Flag - To "fringe" or not to "fringe". Admiralty Law vs. Common Law - The flag signifies jurisdiction. Seems Murray (or the prosecution) chose to have their case heard under Common Law as is their right. Common Law is what our Constitution was based on. Admiralty law is the system the law was changed to after the Bankruptcy of the U.S. of A.

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  26. @MIMI -

    I said this - "..... What do you mean TRYING to discredit the witness . . . he DID discredit the witness. He was very SKILLFUL in showing how OFF Shafer's models were (had Murray giving Michael medications before he even left the staples center) because he was going by OTHERS TESTIMONY and not the autopsy results (Alvarez, who's own story didn't match paramedics, using different equipment then Murray ordered, going by orders from a medical supply company and not what was actually in Murray's system)"

    I MEANT this

    " . . . and not what was actually in Michael's system)"

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  27. Bonnie,

    To answer your question about the "Cheater" song, I have it on a Special Collector's Edition, The King of Pop Michael Jackson RARE VIDEOS. As far as albums, I found this:

    Cheater (song)
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    "Cheater"

    "Cheater" cover
    Promotional single by Michael Jackson from the album The Ultimate Collection
    Released September 14, 2004
    Format 12" vinyl, CD single, digital download
    Genre Funk, soul,[1] rhythm and blues, hip-hop[2]
    Length 5:09
    Label Epic
    Writer Michael Jackson, Greg Phillinganes
    Producer Michael Jackson

    "Cheater" is a song written by Michael Jackson and Greg Phillinganes. It was recorded in 1987 at Hayvenhurst (Encino) Studios,[3] and was originally slated to appear on Jackson's seventh studio album, Bad (1987), but it was removed from the track listing for unknown reasons. The demo version of the song was later released on September 14, 2004 as a single from Jackson's The Ultimate Collection box set compilation. After being sent to US and UK radio stations, the full commercial release of "Cheater" was cancelled for unspecified reasons, turning the song into a promotional release.

    I found several versions of the video here:

    http://www.uulyrics.com/music/michael-jackson/song-cheater/video-michael-jackson-cheater/

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  28. Yes Bonnie, The brain must have some propofol. Although there is another small obervation not to be missed. The body when it stops to breathe, still tries to supply remaining oxygen to the brain and other vital organs, instead of extremities. So may be that time was enough to take away propofol from the brain.

    Thank you for updating everyday about the trial. It is difficult for me to watch the trial everyday due to other duties, so I read up your blog at night. From the days I have watched though, I feel that Murray is an innocent man. Kai Chase must spit out the name of the person who let her in, the one she does not apparently remember. It is a lie.

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  29. Bonnie,

    If there was no Propofol in MJ brain, then why would the Coroner say he died of Acute Propofol? They are suppose to be professionally skilled, so how could they make a mistake like that?

    Maybe someone smothered MJ to death and then filled his body with propofol to TRY and cover up the Murder. -- What are YOUR thoughts on this scenerio, Bonnie?

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  30. @Blake -

    Michael never officially made a video for this correct? I will have to look up the lyrics. I do NOT have the Ultimate Collection so I don't know this song. But the first stanza tells me why it was not commercially released and just stuck on a composite album. (CIA is mentioned again. Gotta love his persistence in exposing these people). Thank you Blake. I love the way the song starts. Going to go listen to it again . . .
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    Anonymous said - "So may be that time was enough to take away propofol from the brain."

    "So may be that time was enough to take away propofol from the brain."

    So why would it metabolize from the brain and not from the blood, which metabolizes it out more rapidly. If in a drip propofol is still getting in there. The drip doesn't just stop just because he stopped breathing, correct?

    If a drip is running while he is dead, and he died from Propofol, it would be evident in the brain. That is the only way to tell how he died. Just being in the blood would not do it because it does not KILL from the blood, it kills from the brain (which tells the lungs to stop breathing).

    If propofol was the cause of death and it had left the brain, then Murray should have been able to revive him. But if Michael was "intoxicated" with propofol, it would still have been in the brain at the time of death, otherwise there would have had to have been another cause.

    The doctor said that propofol activates in the brain. THAT is how they determine THAT to be the cause of death. If there is no concentration of it in the brain then PROPOFOL is not the cause of death.
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    Josie -

    Because someone lied. Right now it's looking like a bunch of people lied, including some of the doctors . . . collectively. I noticed something that Shafer said on Friday. He said he was trying to COORDINATE HIS REPORT from the testimony of the other witnesses. Sorry, but Alvarez is not a doctor. Sounds like collusion to me. He mistated and did not know what the autopsy report said but based his simulation models on testimony of OTHERS who were not in the room and on a SEACOAST order, ASSUMING that all of Murray's orders for drugs and equipment were for Michael ONLY, disregarding that he had two clinics he also supplies.

    Yes, I think someone is trying to frame Murray.

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  31. Yes, Bonnie, you are correct that there was no official video for "Cheater". I tried to find the one that's on my "Collector's Edition" but it is evidentally unavailable in this country now. It is just made up of a compilation from his Bad, Dangerous and History tours.

    I got to thinking about Dr. Kevorkian today and in searching ran across this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_device

    The Exit's euthanasia device was particularly interesting because it could be made up with house hold items and was noted as being "flawless" and "undetectable".

    Since propafol was not moving around in "Michael's" body like it should have if he was still in the process of dying perhaps this is a possiblilty?

    That then had me looking for E Casanova. I watched a video on him. A very good impersonator of Michael Jackson. Not quite as sharp or defined in his movements and singing but extremely good none the less. And where is he??? No one seems to know. supposedly he announced in 2007 that he was ill and would not be performing anymore. The link to that announcement has been taken down.


    I in no way believe that Michael killed himself. As to someone else? He wouldn't have them killed in his place either. Only God knows and His chosen few. Hopefully, these mysteries will unfold and soon.

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  32. @BONNIE - At Court, the witnessing doctors concentrated on the 24/25th June 2009 events & the Propofol medical standards of care. But unless I missed it, none ever referred to the side effects/symptoms caused by Propofol treatment after a 2 months period (K. Ortega's witnessing Michael's health symptoms 2-3 weeks & days before 06.25.2009 : cold/warm body, obvious weakness on the set followed after a week-end by a sudden energy turnaround leading to last two good rehearsal performances).

    C. Murray may possibly come out free. But I think he at least is responsible 1. for unduly accepting to treat a patient with Propofol for sleep problems, even if Michael begged & paid him a lot 2) start injecting a patient with Propofol without using any proper monitoring equipment nor following the anesthesiology standards of care. Last, even if a verbal agreement was discussed between Michael, Murray & AEG, a serious cardiologist with the responsibility of 2 clinics does not accept to go 3 months on London tours with a super star without having prior written work contract together with legitimate authorization to acquire any necessary monitoring equipment for his patient : no way he should have started any Propofol treatment before.

    Now no Propofol in Michael's brain ? Even if neither C. Murray or his Propofol injections caused death but instead an external criminal party (possible as I too still further believe in a murder) but IMO Murray is at least responsible for medical malpractice even if his "treatment" would be evidenced as 100% estranged to the cause of death. Murray was there to help Michael sleep but also to keep him healthy : what did he really do in this instance ? when Michael felt sick & cold/warm, why did he call an external party & not his personal doctor, C. Murray ?

    Next week will enlighten (I hope) or confuse us more.

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  33. Lindsay Lohan was not in the same courthouse as Murray. She was in court at the Airport courthouse.

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  34. Line said "a serious cardiologist with the responsibility of 2 clinics does not accept to go 3 months on London tours with a super star without having prior written work contract together with legitimate authorization to acquire any necessary monitoring equipment for his patient : no way he should have started any Propofol treatment before. "

    I absolutely agree. However, I'm not sure where things stand with the contract, because although we are told the final version was not finalised for signature until late June, Murray had already notified AEG that he had started work, on 15 May. Does this constitute a contract of some kind? I don't know.
    But here's thing thing: Murray says Michael asked him to go to London with him (was this during the first propofol session in LV in April - I forget?).From the AEG lawsuit, it says AEG complained that Michael was missing rehearsals and retained Murray, in early May. Murray says he was giving propofol for just over 2 months, that puts it prior to 25 April. Does this mean that Murray was 'under contract' with AEG from 15 May? Murray said himself in the 27 June interview that he thought Michael hired him but then found out AEG was paying him. So when DID Michael ask him to come on board?
    P.S. Although AEG were to pay Murray, it was an advance to Michael, who would end up paying out of his share of the profits from TII.

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  35. Bonnie,
    If the Coroners Report said there was No Propofol in the Brain, yet states he died of Acute Propofol Intoxication.......Then the Coroners are Contradicting Themselves!

    I don't get it! They are Professional Coroners, so what makes them think no one would notice this Contradiction?

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  36. Bonnie said:
    ""Threatened" That's a very creative song, and very "in your face" to the powers that be. I believe Threatened is a very direct message to those who tried to shut him down and shut him up."

    Absolutely! And since Michael is all about intense preparation, I don't believe those are empty words of his, simply venting or taunting, said only for the sake of 'flexing his muscles'. He was justifiably angry. And, probably fully prepared by 2001 to back up those lyrics with action, or he wouldn't have said it, or the comment about out-thinking them.

    "Cry" - Michael sharing with us an intimate conversation with God.
    "You Are My World" & "Speechless" - lovely songs of praise.
    I think we agree?
    Certainly a remarkable album...responsible for LOTS of messy eye days!

    Let's say Michael was continuously learning to use more of his brain to tune into God to guide his talents, awareness and abilities, to hone his intelligence and put it to work. I believe that by the time Michael had released 'Bad' on his 1987 album, God had Michael's back and was protecting him. Actually, perhaps from birth. This gave Michael courage and strength, a rare clarity, power over evil to do God's work.

    Then came his Dangerous album with his controversial 'Black or White' video, smashing symbolism. He was revealing who was at the core of his righteous anger. And, pieces of the historical agenda which has slowly, over the course of generations, absconded with our lives.

    But wait...unbeknownst to us, we, our grandparents and parents handed our rights over to them.

    Everything we sign is a contract. Our signature is consent. Most of the time it is UNINFORMED consent because we don't know what the heck we are really signing. Then there is implied consent, of a passive sort where even doing NOTHING is giving your consent. We are involved in so many types of consent that upon inspection our lives actually do look like a business!

    Anyway, so two years later up pops Evan Chandler and false allegations that forever tainted Michael's character in the eyes of many ignorant people too lazy to do their homework.

    But, tribulation also grows strength.

    "Inalienable (Individual) Rights are: natural rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They are the most fundamental set of human rights, natural means not-granted nor conditional. They are applicable only to humans, as the basic necessity of their survival."

    (I think that last sentence is bogus. Animals have rights too but honoring them and living in harmony dies with each indigenous culture wiped out. Animals weren't created to live behind bars or as caged "SUBJECTS" of human experimentation. We haven't stopped their torture by voting with our feet, turning away from unnecessary products, so we will soon join them if we don't stand up and stop the madness!)

    If we have inalienable rights, then this whole war against those rights, to remove them, is something of an illusion; manipulative trickery.

    What could be more effective than learning from, following their example and turning their game on them?

    Faith...

    ;o)

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  37. Bonnie,

    I think either someone Paid the Coroners to LIE (about No Propofol in the Brain)

    OR....

    There is ANOTHER Autopsy Report by "Others" circulating around to throw us off the track.

    What do YOU think, Bonnie?

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  38. @Blake -

    On the Exit Euthenasia device:

    "Exit's euthanasia device

    The Exit International euthanasia device was invented by Dr Philip Nitschke in 2008. It used an ordinary barbecue gas bottle filled with nitrogen,[4] a plastic suicide bag, and some plastic tubing with one end attached to the gas canister and the other fixed inside the bag by a tie held by adhesive tape.[5] In December 2008, Nitschke released details of the euthanasia device to the media. His new device/method is a modification of the "Exit Bag plus helium" method described in The Peaceful Pill Handbook. Instead of using a pre-packaged disposable cylinder of helium, he suggested filling purchased empty LPG cylinders (rated at 3300 kPa) with compressed nitrogen and then regulating this with a jet assembly to give a flow of around 10 litres per minute into the standard plastic "Exit Bag". This equipment has some small advantages over the helium method:

    Larger amounts of nitrogen are available and flow rates last longer.
    The gas is more physiological, with no chance of adverse reaction (helium is reported to cause some twitching[6] during death);
    If there is any leakage in the period of storage of the cylinder, it can be topped up at any time to the recommended 400 pounds per square inch (2,800 kPa). The helium party balloon cylinders cannot be refilled and, if they leak over time, must be discarded.

    Nitschke called it "flawless" and "undetectable", saying the new process uses ordinary household products available from hardware stores.[7] Inhaling the pure nitrogen, patients lose consciousness immediately (in approximately 12 seconds)[8] and die a few minutes later."

    OMG! Good find! I can't believe they used Helium. I wonder what THAT sounded like? ECas. is allegedly on Twitter, if that is really him . . . whole lotta faking goin' on.

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  39. Line said - "At Court, the witnessing doctors concentrated on the 24/25th June 2009 events & the Propofol medical standards of care. But unless I missed it, none ever referred to the side effects/symptoms caused by Propofol treatment after a 2 months period (K. Ortega's witnessing Michael's health symptoms 2-3 weeks & days before 06.25.2009 : cold/warm body, obvious weakness on the set followed after a week-end by a sudden energy turnaround leading to last two good rehearsal performances)."

    ......... You're right, they didn't. Shafer and other doctors MENTIONED they believed Murray had administered Propofol every day over a 60 day period (80 day?), but said nothing about any side effects or evidence. I believe Cherilyn's name was mentioned by one of the witnesses but back in the beginning, before the doctors were interviewed. She was not called as a prosecution witness when some thought she would be.

    Let me clear up the "no propofol" in the brain because that's not exactly what Shafer said. Shafer said that he did not see a reading of propofol in the brain on the autopsy report. I went back over that report tonight and there is NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING, no toxicology report on the brain AT ALL! They did autopsy the brain allegedly, because they describe the slight swelling and some vein blockage (normal for a man of 50) but no toxicology was reported on that report. That is the proof of the cause of death, according to Shafer the expert, because propofol activates IN THE BRAIN (this is the doctor's own words). But where are the readings on this? They didn't report it.

    Wonder why???

    Your second paragraph . . . I agree, IF that is what really happened. Wait to see what this week brings. I have a heavy duty blog I was going to put up this weekend, but I never got to put it together because I had company I didn't know I was going to have, for as long as they were here so I spent most of my time in the kitchen. But I got some more loose ends tied that need to be tied to the OTHER loose ends. (what a puzzle!).

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  40. Anonymous said - "Lindsay Lohan was not in the same courthouse as Murray. She was in court at the Airport courthouse."

    ........ No, you're right. It wasn't. The room didn't even look the same. Thank you for posting that.
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    Princess said - "Murray had already notified AEG that he had started work, on 15 May. Does this constitute a contract of some kind? I don't know."

    ............ I don't know what the laws are in CA. with regard to implied contracts. There was no signed contract between Murray, AEG and/or Michael. If you remember Jorrie's testimony, she stated that Murray asked to have the contract backdated to May 1. So we know a contract was being worked on and a payment had been agreed upon, but nothing was every signed except by one party.

    You said - "From the AEG lawsuit, it says AEG complained that Michael was missing rehearsals and retained Murray, in early May."

    ......... The AEG lawsuit is not admissible evidence for THIS trial. We can't use this as fact because the family had not seen Michael since mid May of 2009, and AEG had not retained Murray because there was no assigned agreement. It was testified in THIS trial that Michael was heard in the background "Offer One-fify" for 150K a month (I believe Gongaware testified to this).

    It was testified that Michael had this "relationship" with Murray before AEG was even in the picture. Murray was in the house with Michael before Michael brought Murray up to AEG as the doctor he wanted on tour.

    Now . . . We know there are two "Dr. Murray's", both practicing out of the same office in Vegas, one a FAMILY DOCTOR which is one Michael's children would have most likely seen over a CARDIOLOGIST. The other is a CARDIOLOGIST that has seemingly changed his name to CONRAD MURRAY some time in 2008.

    Could Michael have wanted the OTHER Murray to be his doctor?

    We will have to wait to hear from other witnesses before we can answer truthfully on any speculation of another contract being with AEG. If There was another contract, why would Jorrie still be haggling with Murray over the wording as late as June 24th and June 25th?

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  41. Josie said - "If the Coroners Report said there was No Propofol in the Brain, yet states he died of Acute Propofol Intoxication.......Then the Coroners are Contradicting Themselves!"

    The autopsy copy I have shows there was an autopsy on the brain, BUT no toxicology result on the brain is reported on that document. I just looked at it tonight.

    That does not mean that one has not been done (That is the way I originally heard that too). It just means they left it off the report. That could mean nothing was found. Or it could mean they are hiding the results for whatever reason. I cannot wait to hear Dr. White testify. My thoughts? There is still corruption in the State of California, and they Need the "fall guy" to cover their past corruption concerning Michael. No way you are going to convince me that now all of a sudden the State of California, INC suddenly cares about Michael. This trial they are trying to cover their own butts and the butts of those that were REALLY after Michael. So could someone had paid a few of the people in this chain of command from detectives to the coroners? Oh yeah!
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    Truth said - "And since Michael is all about intense preparation, I don't believe those are empty words of his, simply venting or taunting, said only for the sake of 'flexing his muscles'. He was justifiably angry. And, probably fully prepared by 2001 to back up those lyrics with action, or he wouldn't have said it,"

    ....... This is exactly why I don't think he was in any position of peril when it came to those concerts. He didn't do them because he needed to. We already know that the loans (Watenmaker, Branca, Weitzman racketeering teams) of Michael's are most probably inflated and NOT taken out by Michael himself. He was in no financial peril. He wasn't "cornered" into these concerts.

    You know, I half feel I am wasting my time even talking about this trial because I am almost 100% sure of certain things I talked about on this blog LAST YEAR regarding those loans. Jermaine's book goes over the financing merry-go-round with the ATV loan, Mijac loans and Neverland, but there are a few people he left out mentioning and I pretty much know why. They probably wanted to slap me silly last year when I discovered this. So I stopped commenting about it, but I didn't stop researching it.

    Cont...

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  42. Cont...Truth Said - "Let's say Michael was continuously learning to use more of his brain to tune into God to guide his talents, awareness and abilities, to hone his intelligence and put it to work. I believe that by the time Michael had released 'Bad' on his 1987 album, God had Michael's back and was protecting him. Actually, perhaps from birth. This gave Michael courage and strength, a rare clarity, power over evil to do God's work. "

    ......... You know, I'm going to tell you . . . this works. I know what the possibilities are once you open up to God. I'm still a baby at it (or rather, I'm relearning to surrender to Him) and I still stumble when I take my eyes off him. The dreams, the signs God uses to show me I'm on the right path (the below road. The anti-army, keep my eyes on him, what am I afraid of . . . The Maher) and even just finding this whole wondrous TRUTH in the Bible, telling us who is behind all this. I almost feel like I am dumbing down this blog covering this trial . . . but if it helps people see through what is going on , what the press is trying to tell us is going on, to the truth, then I do this.

    You said - "Everything we sign is a contract. Our signature is consent. Most of the time it is UNINFORMED consent because we don't know what the heck we are really signing. Then there is implied consent, of a passive sort where even doing NOTHING is giving your consent. "

    ..... Yes, yes and more yes! That's what my company today (that kept me from writing up the blog today) were talking about here. Makes me wonder if that is not one of the reasons Michael had to do things THIS WAY.

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  43. Cathy just sent me this, from Dr. Klein’s facebook page:

    “Hoefflin addicted Michael to Propofol. He would walk away after he started him on an IVs. He would give Michael Propofol on tour. Hoefflin said the things about me because he wanted to damage me . He hated Michael for issuing a cease and desist against him in 2003. He even called Harry Glassman and Mitzie,my ex nurse. Mitzie got a lawyer. Hoefflin told Harry if he did not cooperate with him he would send the police to search Harry's house. Hoefflin also got michael to buy the anesthesia machine and build his office.....oh i forgot michael bought John Branca a Rolls Royce too..”


    ……… You know what happens in Atlas Shrugged, the book?

    Once the "meat" for the elite was gone and there was no more talent to exploit and feed off of, they began feeding off of themselves, thereby destroying each other.

    So it is I believe, with Hoefflin and Klein.

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  44. Bonnie!

    I had No Idea there were 2 Murrays at the same office!!

    I also thought Michael was Forced To Do those Concerts because of Financial Troubles!

    Now you tell me they did an Autopsy on the Brain but did NOT Report the Results? !!!!!!!

    Well, I can see that nothing is as it seems and nothing is as it should be!!

    This is all BS plain and simple!

    I probably won't ask any more questions because everything about this trial is either A Lie......A Cover-Up......A Diversion... or..... A Complex Mess!

    It's Too Much BS for me!!

    I'll just keep reading Your Blog and watching the Trial on TV and that's it.

    I pray God untangles this Mess and HIS Justice & HIS Truth is Revealed.... FOR ALL to SEE!

    --In Jesus Name,
    Amen!!

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  45. Bonnie,
    I agree about Michael's finances-he got those catalogs into a safe place to stop people stealing them, plus had other business interests on the go in the background. Michael bankrupt? Pfftt!!
    So now Klein is calling out Hoefflin. Are we to really believe that Michael would issue a cease and desist against Hoefllin, and then freely walk back into his offices again in 2009 (even if it was with another doc)?
    So are you implying that Michael hired Mrs Murray for the London tour, or that Murray is a stooge working with Michael to expose all the lies and deception?

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  46. @PRINCESS GLAM : I appreciate your opinion & also agree that something was floating with Murray's contract. The once in a lifetime opportunity to work for Michael Jackson might have led Murray to accept a delay & risk on his contract in addition to the largest risk taken on Michael's life.

    Bonnie, you are right, it is a big puzzle. I did cook more too this week-end : a healthy break before the next hearings :o) What Arnold Klein says on Hoefflin, I believe it although I always found Klein to be an ambiguous man. Hoefflin & all the crook doctors with evil agendas who drugged Michael in the past must be exposed for bad publicity now even if the Justice delay to charge them is long gone.

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  47. BONNIE said : "Once the "meat" for the elite was gone and there was no more talent to exploit and feed off of, they began feeding off of themselves, thereby destroying each other."

    SO TRUE ! and a lot of weeds left to pull !

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  48. Josie said - "I had No Idea there were 2 Murrays at the same office!!"

    ......... Murray's wife has her practice listed at the same office. I believe her MAIDEN name is Murray. Her name is listed as Yvonne Bonham-Carter. Dr. Murray's real name is Robert Earl Carter (not the same one that was executed in Georgia or wherever that was). I did covered all that investigating here http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2011/10/conrad-murray-day-6-trial-klein-vs.html

    To the rest of what you said . . . AMEN! But keep in mind that there is a reason this is happening. And all that work I did over the summer is part of it. The sickness in the world needs to be recognized, identified, quarantined and cured. This is still a wake up call. It's not B.S., it is unfortunately necessary. You're like me . . . no patience. :o)
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    PrincessGlam said - "So now Klein is calling out Hoefflin. Are we to really believe that Michael would issue a cease and desist against Hoefllin, and then freely walk back into his offices again in 2009 (even if it was with another doc)? "

    ......... When did Michael go back to Hoefflin in 2009? If you are talking about the doctor Murray says showed Murray how the propofol was done, I believe that was Dr. Adams in Las Vegas. I don't believe Michael saw "Hoefflin" that year.

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  49. @Princess - "So are you implying that Michael hired Mrs Murray for the London tour, or that Murray is a stooge working with Michael to expose all the lies and deception? "

    ........ I am implying the possibility. Is there a difference between a "stooge" and a "fall guy"?

    Chernoff said during his opening arguments "During this trial, you're going to find out who Dr. Murray REALLY is".

    Can't wait. :o) Hopefully we will also find out who the bad guys REALLY ARE as a result! But truthfully, I don't think we even need this trial for that . . . follow the money, but follow it ALL THE WAY back. This conspiracy didn't start in 2008.
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    Line said - "What Arnold Klein says on Hoefflin, I believe it although I always found Klein to be an ambiguous man. Hoefflin & all the crook doctors with evil agendas who drugged Michael in the past must be exposed for bad publicity now even if the Justice delay to charge them is long gone. "

    ........... I believe it also, but I believe Jermaine in that Michael's "addiction" or "dependency" was back in 2002. Michael or someone looking very much like Michael was going to Klein several times a week during the course of Time Murray was also Michael's doctor. Klein was trusted to do SOMETHING, I just don't know what the heck it was. I am not clear on Klein's "friendship" with Michael. Michael was away from Klein from at least 2005 through 2009 (early parts of that year). He could have possibly stopped seeing Klein before 2005 during the course of the arrest/investigation/trial. I believe we will learn more about that relationship.

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  50. “Sometimes when you’re treated unfairly it makes you stronger and more determined. Slavery was a terrible thing, but when black people in America finally got out from under that crushing system, they were stronger. They knew what it was to have your spirit crippled by people who are controlling your life. They were never going to let that happen again. I admire that kind of strength. People who have it take a stand and put their blood and soul into what they believe.” From Moonwalk by Michael Jackson.

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  51. Bonnie said "Good picture on the court room at LA. I don't know if this is exactly the same court room, but you can see part of the seal up on the wall behind the judge's seat. That doesn't appear in Judge Pastor's courtroom"

    Doesn't it? The seal is several feet above the top of the black chair, and in the live footage I've seen, the camera does not go that high. Even the photos of the judge are cut off before the seal. (LOL Chernoff is being told off by the judge for opening exhibits all at the same time as I type - having a chuckle to myself).

    So there might be a seal, just we haven't seen it yet. Do they show long shots of the judge at any time?

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  52. Cathy said - "They knew what it was to have your spirit crippled by people who are controlling your life. They were never going to let that happen again. I admire that kind of strength. People who have it take a stand and put their blood and soul into what they believe.” From Moonwalk by Michael Jackson."

    ....... Quoting Michael of course and it is still going on. It's like they circulate methods and countries they are doing it in. Unfortunately it gets spread out by religions/ethnic groups, age groups, political groups and of course now we have all of that compounded by the fact that they are now going after CHILDREN. Not that they weren't before, but before they were discreet about it.

    Now?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/24/public-school-sex-ed-class-could-teach-on-oral-sex-and-bestiality_n_1028670.html

    http://www.prochoiceny.org/assets/files/sexedreport.pdf

    Look who's implementing it . . . NARAL - Pro-Choice Group . . . I guess we know who's funding that!

    They are calling it SEXUALITY EDUCATION FOR CHILDREN. I want them ALL IN JAIL!

    I want their houses raided, arrested with HANDCUFFS BEHIND THE BACK, the PERF WALK and the PUBLICIZED MUG SHOT all over the news!

    I cried over this today trying to TYPE testimony! We should all be writing letters, calling these people! When does this insanity stop? Kathleen Sebelius needs to have her HEAD EXAMINED (And NOT by Freud!)

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  53. Break in court -

    @Cathy who said - "“Sometimes when you’re treated unfairly it makes you stronger and more determined. Slavery was a terrible thing, but when black people in America finally got out from under that crushing system, they were stronger. They knew what it was to have your spirit crippled by people who are controlling your life. They were never going to let that happen again. I admire that kind of strength. People who have it take a stand and put their blood and soul into what they believe.” From Moonwalk by Michael Jackson. "


    ........... I agree with him. I'm just loosing it after seeing an article like that.

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  54. PrincessGlam said - "Doesn't it? The seal is several feet above the top of the black chair, and in the live footage I've seen, the camera does not go that high. Even the photos of the judge are cut off before the seal. (LOL Chernoff is being told off by the judge for opening exhibits all at the same time as I type - having a chuckle to myself)."

    It does not . . . I have a long shot picture, but it could be placed higher. I will post it on tonight's blog just for you! :o)

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  55. Bonnie,Hi. Did you catch the look between Dr.Murray and Cherilyn? For me...very telling.They obviously know each other and she is not happy with him.I believe I saw him mouth the word F..k.
    Peace.Linda

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  56. Bonnie,Hi.Me again. I just wanted to add that of all the witnesses,I do not like this Cherilyn.
    She was defensive,unorganized,and she was trying too hard to think of her answers before she spoke.
    I think she's hiding something. I hope that Chernoff can get it out of her.Peace.Linda

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  57. @Linda - You just can't wait until I get this doggone blog up can you? LOL! I don't like Cherilyn either. You're right, immediately defensive, even though she was polite, the facade melted away quickly when she was asked to pinpoint times and clarify her answers and timeline.

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  58. Oh and Linda, I didn't see Murray mouth any words, but I could have been typing when they did this. I will try to find video of that later.

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  59. Bonnie,,it was the very last two camera shots before adjournment. During side bar,camera was on Cherilyn(shooting daggers),cut to Murray(looked like he was forming an F),then must have realized the camera was on him. No need to answer,I'll let you get back to work.Peace.Linda

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  60. Hi, Bonnie - so glad I have you and your blog to keep up with the trial. You're doing an amazingly thorough job, my friend! I wanted to mention an observation I made during Cherilyn Lee's testimony and wondered if you noticed it, too.

    Chernoff was grilling Lee to recall specific dates that she met with Michael at his home to discuss his nutritional needs, sleep issues, etc. She mentioned a couple of meetings in February 2009, and then testified to another meeting on MARCH 9, 2009. To the best of my recollection, wasn't that the date of Michael's London O2 Arena press conference? At no time did I hear Ms. Lee say she was in London for that meeting with Michael - only that Michael asked her if she would like to accompany him on his London tour to continue providing him with a nutritional regime.

    If March 9, 2009 can be verified as the day Michael was in London, then who did Cherilyn meet with at Michael's home that day? Maybe she is off with her dates, but she had documents to refer to.

    Sorry for my outburst on the phone today about the Huffington Post article. But that pushed me over the edge to see how the government plans to take our children down a path of moral decay! Our nation's children are in grave danger of losing their most precious possession. Their right to remain innocent and carefree children! I'm already hearing the B.S. buzz from the liberals, that the educational system must keep up with a "changing society and culture?" Excuse me...keep up? Where is it written that any child must give up their right to innocence? It's not just being stolen in the shadows, but being ripped away from them in broad daylight right under our noses, by the biggest child molester of them all...the GOVERNMENT!

    And these are the same perverts who had problems with Michael??? You bet they did! They had a problem with his innocent love for children and his desire to protect them from what is happening right now!

    The curriculum they plan to impose on children as young as 11 years old under the pretense of "education" is a traumatic assault on their young minds, their identity, psychological and emotional development, and eventually their self esteem. And afterwards they're expected to block out what they've seen, switch gears and take a math test? Give me a break! Exposing children to the full gamut of the some of the most horrendous acts of sexual depravity is criminal child abuse!

    Doesn't it make you wonder what kind of screening process will be implemented to assess a teacher's "qualifications" for such a highly coveted government job? What kind of person would be capable of teaching such a class to children without vomiting in a bucket? Oh, right...if you're into child porn, this is great time to be a teacher!

    But under no circumstances are children allowed to pray, refer to God in school, or decorate a tree with red and white candy canes! Michael, Michael...we need you so badly!

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  61. Bonnie, I think the whole “propofol should be in the brain but it’s not being reported” argument is a non-argument.

    The below quote is from here: http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugs_concern/propofol.htm

    “The primary effect of propofol is potentiation of GABA-A receptors. Similar to barbiturates and benzodiazepines, propofol has been shown to produce rewarding and reinforcing effects in animals. Sub-anesthetic and anesthetic doses of propofol have been shown to increase dopamine concentrations in the nucleus accumbens (brain reward system) in rats.

    Propofol has a fast onset of action and crosses the blood-brain barrier very quickly. Its short duration of action is due to rapid distribution from central nervous system to other tissues. Approximately 70% of the dose is excreted in the urine within 24 hours and 90% is excreted within 5 days of administration.”

    Here it says in the second paragraph “…short duration of action is due to rapid distribution from central nervous system to other tissues.”

    The propofol is being transported away from the brain after it affects the GABA-A receptors. That’s why it’s so short acting. It accumulates in the liver and other cells not the brain.

    I also read this:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=kfzvveEVczYC&pg=PA1066&lpg=PA1066&dq=does+propofol+accumulate+in+the+brain&source=bl&ots=6bNEz30wWj&sig=dMZKOkQcDLv6YCZG5vRGPdNIMD8&hl=en&ei=FDOmTuLaHsXt0gGc34CADg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=does%20propofol%20accumulate%20in%20the%20brain&f=false

    “The duration of action after short-term dosing is usually less than 8 minutes due to its rapid redistribution from the CNS.”

    Also: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18482023

    “Propofol has been reported to have neuroprotective effects. It reduces cerebral blood flow and intracranial pressure (ICP), is a potent antioxidant, and has anti-inflammatory properties.”

    Here, it says it reduces cerebral blood flow.

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  62. Bonnie, ran out of room in last comment.

    More interesting stuff here:

    http://www.drugs.com/pro/propofol.html

    “Pharmacodynamic properties of Propofol are dependent upon the therapeutic blood Propofol concentrations. Steady-state Propofol blood concentrations are generally proportional to infusion rates. Undesirable side effects, such as cardiorespiratory depression, are likely to occur at higher blood concentrations which result from bolus dosing or rapid increases in infusion rates. An adequate interval (3 to 5 minutes) must be allowed between dose adjustments in order to assess clinical effects.”

    and

    “Induction of anesthesia with Propofol Injectable Emulsion is frequently associated with apnea in both adults and pediatric patients. In adult patients who received Propofol Injectable Emulsion (2 to 2.5 mg/kg), apnea lasted less than 30 seconds in 7% of patients, 30-60 seconds in 24% of patients, and more than 60 seconds in 12% of patients. In pediatric patients from birth through 16 years of age assessable for apnea who received bolus doses of Propofol Injectable Emulsion (1 to 3.6 mg/kg), apnea lasted less than 30 seconds in 12% of patients, 30-60 seconds in 10% of patients, and more than 60 seconds in 5% of patients.”

    and

    “During monitored anesthesia care (MAC) sedation, attention must be given to the cardiorespiratory effects of Propofol Injectable Emulsion. Hypotension, oxyhemoglobin desaturation, apnea, and airway obstruction can occur, especially following a rapid bolus of Propofol Injectable Emulsion. During initiation of MAC sedation, slow infusion or slow injection techniques are preferable over rapid bolus administration. During maintenance of MAC sedation, a variable rate infusion is preferable over intermittent bolus administration in order to minimize undesirable cardiorespiratory effects. In the elderly, debilitated, or ASA-PS III or IV patients, rapid (single or repeated) bolus dose administration should not be used for MAC sedation (see WARNINGS)."

    So, if propofol’s fast onset action is due to the rapid distribution FROM the CNS and it also reduces cerebral blood flow, then I wouldn’t think there would be any measurable amounts in the brain itself.

    Also, the autopsy toxicology section looks like a pre-printed table with headings for heart blood, femoral blood, urine, etc. There isn’t even a heading for brain. It’s not as if there is a heading for brain and nothing is there, there isn’t even a heading so my guess is that the brain wasn’t tested for propofol.

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  63. Linda said - "During side bar,camera was on Cherilyn(shooting daggers),cut to Murray(looked like he was forming an F),then must have realized the camera was on him. "

    ...... Good for him! What sadistic NATURAL nurse practitioner IV'S nutrients? What makes her any different than the other Neo-Nazi doctors that have punched holes in him? And Metzger? Looks like he got his disposition from Joseph Mengele! Him and Klein and their catheter buddy ROSEN.
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    Micheline said - "on MARCH 9, 2009. To the best of my recollection, wasn't that the date of Michael's London O2 Arena press conference? "

    ......... close . . . March 5th, 2009. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c00CwFA5JNE and I covered that here http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2010/07/o2-press-conference-comparing-photos.html (oldie) But when did Michael come back???

    You said - "Sorry for my outburst on the phone today about the Huffington Post article. But that pushed me over the edge to see how the government plans to take our children down a path of moral decay!"

    ...... That did me in today. In order it was the HLN announcement about Miss Katherine being in London all next week, then your email, then my husband, then my mother. I know what you mean. My poor husband thought I was crying because of something he said (he didn't help, but he wasn't to blame, just everything). I HATE having dinners like that! Ed works hard! He doesn't need to come home to that. The cars are falling apart, my husband is falling apart and today I fell apart. I can't do this like this!

    Exactly, what is the education system thinking the kids need to catch up with? The news articles about government officials caught in pedophile/beastiality scandals! How do you fail SEX ED??? Refuse to have sex? A is for Abstinence on the report card??? You're right. The government is the biggest molester of ALL OF US.

    That is the perfect job for my ex husband! Too bad I threw most of his TRAINING MATERIAL away!

    Micheline we don't need Michael, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING!!!! Michael already did his job. All of us need to stand against this garbage and I'm not talking about rioting or protesting. Just simply refuse to comply. STOP FUNDING THE MACHINE!

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  64. @Deb =-

    Yes but we have a problem here . . . We have a continuious infusion with a patient dying (allegedly). those patients above are alive. The body does not metabolize when it is dead, so if Propofol activates IN THE BRAIN and causes death it would still be in the brain.

    If it is a non issue then why didn't they include the readings with the autopsy report?

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  65. @Deb - - sorry, why didn't they include the BRAIN READINGS? they are conspicuously missing.

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