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Michael Jackson Justice: Michael's Who Is It - A Parable of The Mystery of Babylon

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Friday, November 11, 2011

Michael's Who Is It - A Parable of The Mystery of Babylon

Who Is It? Part 2
Prophetic Message In Michael’s Who Is It
What I feel like tonight - PISSED OFF!





Nahum 3:1-4, 9-10
1Woe to the bloody city! it is all full of lies and robbery; the prey departeth not;  2The noise of a whip, and the noise of the rattling of the wheels, and of the pransing horses, and of the jumping chariots.  3The horseman lifteth up both the bright sword and the glittering spear: and there is a multitude of slain, and a great number of carcases; and there is none end of their corpses; they stumble upon their corpses:  4Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts.

9Ethiopia and Egypt were her strength, and it was infinite; Put and Lubim were thy helpers.  10Yet was she carried away, she went into captivity: her young children also were dashed in pieces at the top of all the streets: and they cast lots for her honourable men, and all her great men were bound in chains.”


“She prays to God, to Buddha
then she sings a Talmud song
Confusions contradict the self
do we know right from wrong
I just want you to recognize me in the temple
You can’t hurt me I’ve found peace within my life



We will come back to this song another time.  Yesterday, we left off with the rise of the Rothschilds, their shield which became the Israel state flag symbol after a change of color.  Refresh at this link.

We covered the eighth century through the establishment of the Bank of England – A Rothschild bank at the end of the 17th century and the mid-18th century of the German banking house placing the “Rothschild” shield above their counting house door.


The Shield and Star of David Explained







1821 – 1875

John 2:13-22
13And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.  4And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: 

15And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;  16And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.  17And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up. 

18Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?  19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 

21But he spake of the temple of his body22When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.”

1821 – “Kalmann (Carl) Mayer Rothschild is sent to Naples, Italy. He goes on to do a great deal of business with the Vatican and Pope Gregory XVI subsequently confers upon him the Order of St. George.”

The emperor of Austria bestows the title of “Baron” to the five Rothschild siblings in 1822,  but Nathan decides not to take the title.  In 1823, the Rothschilds take over the financial operations of the Catholic church and the following year became the soul financial controllers of the Vatican.

@1:40, How The Rothschilds Did This


In volume II of “The Life of Napoleon” written by Walter Scott, it tells of the “Illuminati” starting the French Revolution and financed by the “money changers” of Europe (the Rothschilds). 

John 2:14
And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:


Anything, Anything for money
Would lie for you, would die for you
Even sell my soul to the devil


1828 – After 12 years of watching the SECOND Bank of the United states rape the U.S. citizens  of its wealth, the people voted underdog Andrew Jackson to the presidency much to the dismay of the Rothchild’s:

To the dismay of the Rothschilds’, Jackson wins the Presidency and makes it quite clear he is going to use his mandate to kill this bank at his first opportunity. He starts out during his first term in office, rooting out the bank’s many minions from government service. To illustrate how deep this cancer was rooted in government, in order to achieve this end he had to fire 2,000 of the 11,000 employees of the Federal Government.”  Source

I wonder what that number would be today?

When asked what his greatest accomplishment had been during his two terms as President, Andrew Jackson replied "I killed the Bank."  I wish someone would kill the Federal Reserve.  It wasn’t until 1913 that the Rothchild’s would get enough people infiltrated back into the U.S. government, that one of their guys, Woodrow Wilson, would vote in the “Federal Reserve Act”, establishing again a private, Rothschilds-run bank, this time under the guise of a Federal, government controlled entity. To this day the Federal Reserve bank has never been audited.

In 1832, they try again to get a central bank charter passed through congress, but congress does not have enough votes to override Jackson’s veto.  And even though the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds pour more than 3 million into opponent Henry Clay’s campaign, Jackson prevails by a landslide.  Source 

The following year Jackson begins pulling monies from the Rothschilds banks and depositing it into other banks (This is Andrew, not Michael).  The Rothschilds respond by retracting the money supply, causing a depression. 

Andrew Jackson is quotes as saying – “You are a den of thieves’ vipers, and I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out.”

Matthew 21:13
And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.


Michael’s Taped (unbeknownst to him) phone
Conversation –
(Princess Glam – You will be interested in hearing this)

This is what got Michael in trouble with the Anti-Defamation League, even though this was a PRIVATE PHONE CONVERSATION ILLEGALLY TAPED.  It is because of this taped conversation that Michael issued a statement of apology.

Latoya’s book (the first one), accused her own mother of hating Jews.  Of course this book was written under the control of Jack Gordon.  Why would Gordon have her (or someone writing as her, to put her name to) write a book mentioning hatred of Jews?  Was there a reason that  these people who accomplished infiltrating and kidnapping two Jacksons needed people to believe that Miss Katherine was anti-Semite?

I found a news article further explaining this and although it originally looked like it was Marc Schaffel, they don’t name the “other” business associate. They only speculate that it could be Deiter Wiesner:

“CHRIS CUOMO: (Voice Over) And when he feels people are against him and his desires, King says Jackson becomes something very different from his sugary sweet self. King says Jackson left this message for a different former advisor, attacking various business associates.

MICHAEL JACKSON: They suck - they're like leaches. I'm so tired of it. They start out the most popular person in the world, make a lot of money, big house, cars, and everything, end up with, penniless. It is conspiracy. The Jews do it on purpose.

CHRIS CUOMO: (Off Camera) For the record, while ABC News was able to verify the phone messages Jackson left for Marc Schaffel, ABC News could not verify the call you heard to Wiesner in which he makes an anti-Semitic remark. Jackson's attorney, Tom Mesereau, told ABC News when the jury hears the evidence, they'll know Schaffel isn't owed anything. He says he couldn't comment on the Wiesner lawsuit until he had seen it, and he would not comment on the tapes. We should also note that Jackson has filed a countersuit claiming that he is the one owed money.” Source

We will discuss this further in a future blog.  I will just go on record as saying that I don’t believe this came from the unknown advisor’s answering machine.  I believe it was illegally taped from a phone conversation.  No one can convince me that Michael was stupid enough to leave a message like that on the answering machine of some “previous” associate, especially knowing he couldn’t trust anyone.

We know phones were tapped, Michael covered that in the lyrics of his songs too.  But as far as what Michael felt and his frustration level?  Yeah, I believe every bit of it.  Michael wasn’t lying and he wasn’t being vindictive or hateful, he was telling the truth.  And I believe that is EXACTLY what they did to Michael and other artists, churches, governments, races of people, you and me.

Here’s the problem.  I would like to stop using the term “Jew” because they are not genuine Jews.  They are counterfeit Jews.  False Jews.  Converts that like much of everything else they steal from God, they’ve also stolen the identity of Israel, the tribe.

Again:  Revelation 3:9  “9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Back to the timeline:

1836 – “Following his years of fighting against the Rothschilds’ and their central bank in America, President Andrew Jackson finally succeeds in throwing the Rothschilds’ central bank out of America, when the bank’s charter is not renewed. It would not be until 1913 that the Rothschilds’ would be able to set up their third central bank in America, the Federal Reserve.

David Sassoon, the Rothschilds’ drug dealer over in China, increases his trade to over 30,000 chests of opium annually and drug addiction in coastal cities becomes endemic.”  Source


Sassoon and the Opium Drug Trade


In 1838, Andrew Jackson becomes the only president to ever pay off the debt to the Rothschilds after making the last installment on the National debt.  August Belmont (Schonberg) was sent to the U.S. the year before to try to salavage their banking interests here.  Source

The opium wars begin in 1839 when XuanZong Daoguang names Lin Tse-Hsu as leader of the campain against the opium trade.  The British, fighting as mercenaries for the drug dealing Sassoon, easily beat them. The Treaty of Nanking is signed, guaranteeing Sassoon the right to supply opium to the entire population.

In 1841 President John Tyler is threatened with assassination when he vetoes the act to renew the Central Bank charter.

1843 – “The B’nai B’rith is established by Jews in New York City as a Masonic Lodge. 70 years later this group will establish the notorious Anti-Defamation League, designed to promote any critics of Jewish supremacism or criminality, as, "anti-Semitic." Source


1848 – Interesting, “Ashkenazi Jew, Karl Marx (a Crypto-Jew, real name Moses Mordecai Levy), publishes, “The Communist Manifesto.” Interestingly at the same time as he is working on this, Karl Ritter of Frankfurt University is writing the antithesis which goes on to form the basis for Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche’s, “Nietzscheanism.” This, “Nietzscheanism,” is later developed into Fascism and Nazism and will be used to foment the first and second world wars.”  They are all funded under the Rothschilds.  Source

As I read the next paragraph, I am reminded of the “toys” in the courtroom of Conrad Murray, namely the elephant and the “donkey” with the big teeth.  Read below:

Interestingly, Marxism, Communism and its derivative, Socialism, when seen years later in practice, are nothing but state-capitalism and rule by a privileged minority, exercising despotic and total control over a majority which is left with virtually no property or legal rights. This explains why the Rothschilds’ were so interested in funding these ideologies, which would subsequently develop into, “democracy,” a system of the two party state in which both parties are controlled by the same force . . .”  Source

In 1853, drug dealer Sassoon becomes a naturalized citizen.  His son Abdullah, changes his name to Albert, moves to England and goes on to have a son, Edward Albert, who marries into the Rothschild family. 

1856 –On May 6th, Ashkenazi Jew, psychoanalyst, Sigmund Freud is born. Freud would go on to attack Western morality, criticizing what he considered Western Man’s neurotic emphasis on sex, which he insisted should be replaced with Jewish values of promiscuity. Interestingly he promoted the ideas of incest and pedophilia as normal, something also permitted by the Jews most holy book, the Talmud.”  Source

Freud is still proclaimed a hero in most colleges, a brilliant thinker.  He was a pervert and therefore believed most “human beings” were perverts.

In 1858, Lionel de Rothschild becomes the first openly Jewish member of the British Parliament.  The following year, Lord Harrington gives a speech to the House of Lords, opposing Jewish immigrants to England, stating that they the greatest enemies to freedom.

1860 was a turning point for the Rothschilds to get back into America.  They did this by exploiting the cotton industry in the south, using Rothschild ships to export cotton to Brittain.  They had agents positioned in the south to spread propaganda through local government. This lead to the succession of the south from the union, and our civil war.  Please read 1861, for the real reason behind the civil war.  It wasn’t to free slaves.

Lincoln was not originally looking to free slaves, he just wanted to save the union.  The Banking dynasties worked to “divide and conquer” through the civil war.  Otto von Bismark made this statement about the civil war in 1876:

“The division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe, these bankers were afraid that the United States if they remained as one block and as one nation, would attain economic and financial independence which would upset their financial domination over the world.

The voice of the Rothschilds’ predominated. They foresaw the tremendous booty if they could substitute two feeble democracies, indebted to the financiers, to the vigorous Republic, confident and self-providing. Therefore they started their emissaries in order to exploit the question of slavery and thus dig an abyss between the two parts of the Republic.”  Source

During this time the Rothschilds also loaned Neopolian III 210 million Francs to seize Mexico and return it back to Colonial rule, in violation of the “Monroe Doctrine”.  The French were at our southern borders and the British moved into Canada to our north.  Lincoln went with his secretary of the treasury to New York to apply for the loans to finance their defense, but the Rothschilds were not going to help the Union win.  They wanted the union to fail.  Lincoln turned down their loan “offer” of 24% to 36% interest.

Lincoln then, under the advisement of Colonel Taylor began printing government treasury notes.  Lincoln would be the last president to issue debt free U.S. notes.

Russian Tsar Alexander II befriends Lincoln when Lincoln discovers that the Tsar also has been having problems with the Rothschilds.  Alexander learns that Lincoln is also trying to fight off the Rothschilds so he assists by declaring that if either France or Brittain intervene in the U.S. civil war, he will consider it a declaration of war and side with Lincoln.  He backs this up by sending his Pacific fleets to both the port in San Francisco and New York.

The Rothschilds set up John D. Rockefeller as their “Standard Oil” tycoon in the U.S. in 1863.

In 1865, Lincoln wins the second term over Rothschild’s boy, George McClellan.  Less that two months before the end of the Civil war, Lincoln is assassinated by John Wilks Booth.  Booth’s grand-daughter Izola Forrester, writes in her book “One Mad Act” that “ . . . [Booth] had been put up to this assassination by powerful interests in Europe, and contrary to reports that Booth was later killed by the American authorities, he actually escaped to Europe and died in Calais at the age of thirty-nine.”

1871 – Albert Pike:  “An American General named, Albert Pike, who had been enticed into the, “Illuminati,” by Guiseppe Mazzini, completes his military blueprint for three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world, culminating into moving this great conspiracy into its final stage. These details are as follows:”  Read this

In 1872, he publishes the book, “Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry”, which he emphasizes that Freemasonry is a religion based on the occult Jewish philosophy found in the Kabbalah.

1875 –On January 1st, Jacob Schiff, now Solomon Loeb’s son-in-law after marrying his daughter, Teresa, takes control of the banking house, Kuhn, Loeb & Co. Schiff goes on to finance the Standard Oil Company of Crypto-Jew, John D. Rockefeller. He also finances Edward H. Harriman’s Railroad Empire, and Andrew Carnegie’s Steel Empire. This is all with Rothschild money.”  Source

Jacob Schiff will go on to finance the set up of two American institutions of separatist politics – The Anti-Defamation League and the NAACP.

Part Three Tomorrow:

Can't Let Go of What We Don't Have in the First Place....


Last but not least, these three issues that really want me to start breaking some long-enough kept promises to certain people that have acted like total jerks for no explicable reason whatsoever.


Honesty is the best policy.  Rumor has it that it’s what God prefers so here’s my contribution:

Worst but not last:


I’m still watching it tomorrow night, but if any of the reported contents of this show is true, I will not be held responsible for what I will do, and since NOBODY ELSE wants to act responsibly,  guess you’ll just have to take what you deserve.

I can look past the bullshit and sensationalism but some of the people that call me at 3am CRYING about this crap cannot and yes, I said BULLSHIT TWICE! 

I really, REALLY hope this is a ruse to get people to watch it and by some miracle the truth is going to be hidden in this CHILDISHNESS somewhere.  But so far all I have WITNESSED is an elaborate, disgusting and ongoing marketing ploy that keeps people glued to TRASH instead of what is REALLY going on in the world.

Jermaine said it was going to get “rough for the fans and family”.  I can ONLY ASSUME that he KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!

Considering that the family (or some of them) are now seemingly endorsing and working with the people that ALLEGEDLY killed their brother (or tried to)  (oh, did you want a LINK?) - http://www.contactmusic.com/news/jackson-brothers-to-attend-fan-tribute-to-michael_1260286 - I want to know MICHAEL how you expect the fans not to “LET GO OF YOUR HAND” when A. we don’t even know where the hell it is . . . and B. Your family would rather hold BRANCA’S!


Selling autographed mock-ups of Michael’s Jackets using his kids for upwards of $2,300, as IF that would somehow make the world a better place.



Goodnight!

32 comments:

  1. That's it! I QUIT!!!!

    I just called my husband, "Mike". Grrrrr!

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  2. So that's it. I watched part of what someone put up on youtube of the Conrad Murray documentary. I'm not sure it's everything so I will watch it tonight. And I'm deleting my angry words above.

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  3. @BONNIE - With the World's history & Michael Jackson's issues you again developed today, I am not surprised you get angry. The manipulation of the humanity was always ugly & it did not change.

    TMZ Conrad Murray article above : I am anxious to read your comments on the documentary for proofing in due course as I don't have the NBC Channel, or on Youtube next ? So again Magnesium tablets & maybe also anti-nausea pills this time :o(

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  4. Hi Bonnie: I had to laugh with regards to your husband's new name. Yikes!!!!! Also wanted to thank you from the previous post and your response. Most appreciated and am doing my research as well. I'm all over the place on this documentary whatever you want to call it. I think some truth will be slipped in - especially intrigued about Randy Phillips comments. I knew from the start that Murray didn't "like" or "respect" his patient based on some things he was quoted as saying. I sense that will be validated, so yes - Murray a pawn in the game and Randy Phillips I'm intrigued to hear his words per the "pawn." Problem is this so called documentary has an agenda and I would be intrigued if someone countered this documentary with other information too (won't happen I figure). I won't be watching but I am sure I will see it on YouTube at some point.

    Honestly, I'm feeling the pull out of the drama of it all. I am in agreement on this post more then I can say. The Rothschilds, False Jews, etc. That explains so much. With regard to the world that swirls around Michael, his kids and his siblings, Ugh. The jacket sales - goodness me. No thank you - the best thing that will stop all of it is for people to not buy any of it. It will be over in a few years. What will be next - I have no idea - shoelaces perhaps. Michael's children will each have to navigate life at the age of 18. I just hope they will find their own identity somehow outside of being Michael Jackson's children and having a fan following for no other reason then that.

    One more thing. On the other post you responded to my thought that I was going to be watching the second generation of Jackson's for some truth. To clarify it isn't Michael's children - rather the nieces, nephews, cousins. I see some interesting comments on twitter coming from these people. That's all.

    Good day to you and "Mike" ~LorLor

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  5. @BONNIE - Thriller's jackets' selling & Jacksons Fan Tribute : Very nice, i.e. business is played "now or never" on Michael's fans' emotion but why should Prince be exposed publicly at his age to introduce his uncles on stage or Thriller jackets for sale ? Learning real life & wanting to earn his own money early is very good from Prince but the adults watching over the MJ3, don't they eventually use them as marketing tools with the blessing of the Estate ?

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  6. Wow!!!!Bonnie, what is written on TMZ about the documentary is really disturbing. I don’t want to make any judgment until I see it knowing what TMZ is capable of doing, tabloid trash.

    Just my heart telling me though Dr. Murray might have to trash Michael somehow in order for this documentary to be sensational for the sake of making money. Remember when it comes to making MONEY, truth has no place at all and sensationalism sells.
    Mimi

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  7. Bonnie,
    I'm not doubting the facts. I've heard that illegally taped conversation before, but is this all the same conspiracy that Michael talked about in 2001 and 2004? That's what I can't get my head around. I see them in isolation I suppose.

    As for the Murray documentary, unless he is going to reveal some earth-shattering new evidence, he was giving propofol, he could have said 'no', he was not under contract as the contract was never signed by all parties, what is his defense? As you say, an ongoing marketing ploy.
    Awaiting your next post with trepidation!

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  8. Hi Bonnie. Oh my god! You called your husband Mike! Just as he probably thought it couldn't get any worse. Susanne

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  9. Hi Bonnie. Interesting 1second video of Dr.Murray. To much information for me to handle. Black, we knew that already. Susanne

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  10. Line said - "So again Magnesium tablets & maybe also anti-nausea pills this time :o("

    ........ Well it started with someone who reads this blog getting hurt by what they read on TMZ. They called me and it was before 3am. I calmed them down, told them not to be taken in by the sensationalism. Then when I get them calmed down and we get off the phone, I go and read the link she had emailed me and get taken in by the same sensationalism.

    I find on Youtube clips that someone had put up (taped from their t.v.) of that Documentary that aired yesterday in the U.K. and other than Flanagan's senseless and typical remarks about Michael, I didn't see what Murray said as all that bad. As a matter of fact, Murray was saying what he said in the context that what happened to Michael was the result of the treatment he got from his dad, and Murray was emotional about it. After seeing Murray say it, I was not so upset and I took out the more inflammatory comments I had posted at the end of the blog.

    I got the idea that Chernoff was rather disgusted and not sharing in Flanagan's opinions of Michael, and he would get up and walk away. During one exchange Flanagan even said "F-you" to Chernoff because Chernoff did not agree with how Flanagan wanted to cross examin Shafer. (it was bleeped).

    I don't want to state exactly what it was that upset me about what Murray said, because it really made me go off (I was on twitter with this last night too).

    Line you remember what we talked about this summer, with the mind control and abuse Michael may have suffered? Well after watching some of that last night (early this morning), I think I had some of that confirmed for me, and to be honest, it wasn't something I thought I would handle like that. It's one thing to theorize and piece evidence together, hoping you're wrong. It's another to see the proof come to fruition and that an incredibly gifted, loving, INNOCENT human being was done this way.

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  11. Bonnie – I haven’t see the three brothers, Marlon, Tito and Jackie not even one day at court for the trial but they appear everywhere whenever there are tributes concerts and the like. What is going on? What are their priorities?

    Evidently they are only looking for themselves making money and they don’t careless as long as their pockets are filled with Green. I bet they don’t do all these for free.
    Mimi

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  12. LorLor said - "I think some truth will be slipped in - especially intrigued about Randy Phillips comments. I knew from the start that Murray didn't "like" or "respect" his patient based on some things he was quoted as saying. I sense that will be validated, so yes - Murray a pawn in the game and Randy Phillips I'm intrigued to hear his words per the "pawn."

    ......... Well if Murray is a pawn, then Phillips is going to be Murray's scapegoat in this documentary. I'm not in Phillip's head so I don't know what he knew about Michael. But according to Murray, he said Randy P. told him that Michael didn't have a red cent and that Randy paid for the toilet paper he used. Now while Randy may or may not have said that, I know . . . KNOW that Michael wasn't broke. I know it. I did my research on that last year and I am confident with what I found. I noticed that Jermaine didn't mention a few transactions that took place and that was probably for a reason.

    You said - "The Rothschilds, False Jews, etc. That explains so much. With regard to the world that swirls around Michael, his kids and his siblings, Ugh. The jacket sales - goodness me. No thank you "

    ......... The issue with the Jackets was just the icing on the cake after that TMZ write up. Prince can do whatever he wants, I just want to know he's PROTECTED. After TMZ/documentary and the fan tribute with the estate and Michael's brothers, the Jackets just got included in my "freak out" if that is what you want to call it.

    I understand on your comment about the "second generation" cousins and nephews. :o)

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  13. Line said - "Learning real life & wanting to earn his own money early is very good from Prince but the adults watching over the MJ3, don't they eventually use them as marketing tools with the blessing of the Estate ? "

    ......... That is primarily what I see fans looking at this as . . . Michael's siblings using the kids as marketing tools with the blessing of the estate. And what TICKS ME OFF even more is that the money the KIDS are making for the ESTATE is going in part, into the pockets of Jacobs, Edwards, Justice4Taraborrelli, T_Storm and that bunch of fish bait, and I'm done before I get worked up again.
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    Mimi said - "Just my heart telling me though Dr. Murray might have to trash Michael somehow in order for this documentary to be sensational for the sake of making money."

    ....... Yeah but for who? According to TMZ neither Murray nor the lawyers have gotten any funds from this. What I saw of it on Youtube, Murray isn't really trashing Michael. Flanagan is the only one that does that, even Chernoff gets disgusted with this and walks off. Murray's account from what I saw, whether truth or not, is being told with emotion for Michael, like "this is how bad his father hurt him" position, not to trash Michael. So I will watch it in full context tonight and see what else I can learn. (NO MORE SENSATIONALISM TMZ, YOU KEPT ME UP LAST NIGHT!)

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  14. CNN report said, Prince endorsing the jacket...”isn't doing it for the money, but as a favor for his uncles...” Okay, I don’t understand, are the brothers going to sell the replica of “Thriller” and “Beat It” jackets and the money goes to them? It’s seems like they are using Michael to make money since they can’t make their own. I am disgusted. When is making money on Michael’s name is going to stop?
    Mimi

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  15. BONNIE said : " It's one thing to theorize and piece evidence together, hoping you're wrong. It's another to see the proof come to fruition and that an incredibly gifted, loving, INNOCENT human being was done this way."

    Not reassuring, Bonnie, but I wait until you tell us what Conrad Murray REALLY said. The TMZ tab shocked me too but part of it at might also be true..or TMZ should be shut down. But fall guy or not, C. Murray is ambiguous, & the guys behind him the leading criminals ; but I stop with my fancy theories.

    Michael Flanagan, apart his good hair-cut:o) looks like a man of the conservative establishment so his supposed comment on Michael is not so surprising. Ed Chernoff was definitely more decent in his remark about Michael. Anyway, the verdict isn't digested emotionally yet that ugly news crashed again on us like thunder.

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  16. Bonnie, this was one incredible blog of historical information on the Rothchilds and their domination of world economies (i.e., planned suppression of a free society). I see all of this playing out today with our present administration, and faster than we realize. Michael knew, and it worried him to distraction when thinking of the future that awaits today's children. This is sobering...and chilling. Thank you for condensing the historical time line for most of us, who would never have time to open a book, or even know where to begin. Your research skills are absolutely amazing!

    As for this horrendous Murray documentary, my stomach did a back flip last night when I called you. Please understand that when I first read those despicable comments about Michael, my heart sank lower than the floor. I cried out in desperation asking, "is there no end to the evil that surrounded Michael?" Here is a beautiful human being who lived for the happiness and well being of others. And once again, it seems those closest to him are profiting by presenting Michael in the most distasteful way imaginable.

    I took the comment about bed wetting as a way of debasing Michael. Between the testimony we heard about condom catheters, Murray's police interview about going to the bathroom to relieve himself (of urine - oh please!) - and now Michael's bed wetting - someone appears to have a pee fixation!

    We will need a strong stomach tonight. I am going to watch this program through Michael's own eyes, and remember that he was subjected to a constant barrage of slander and ridicule for nearly half his life. And the more outrageous, the more we will question the underlying motive. I find the concept of Murray's defense lawyers participation in a documentary for the past two+ years to be questionable from a legal ethical standard. If this was not risking contempt, I don't know what is! It was announced before the verdict that Murray was working on a documentary for over two years. And yet Judge Pastor instructed the jury every day not to discuss the case with anyone. H-E-L-L-O-O-O!

    Here we have the defense team of Flanagan and Chernoff sitting at a table discussing their strategy (and they were perfectly OK with being filmed? Hmm). You have Flanagan's wife, Susan joining in the mockery as she mentions what people would think of a grown man sleeping with a baby doll and having photos of little children looking at him every night. Flanagan takes that as a positive and thinks it will turn the jury away from Michael, the victim, and play to the defense. Pretty crass stuff, eh?

    But Chernoff isn't having any of that and gets up, saying he thinks the media has made Michael out to be weirder than he really is. Really...I thought that was a pretty decent thing to say about Michael, when one would expect his focus to be 100% on defending his client! Interesting difference of opinion. Flanagan looks over at Chernoff with disbelief and says, "You've got to be kidding me. He couldn't be any weirder than he already was!"

    What have we here? A DIVIDED defense team? Could it be that this documentary is meant to show the battle between two sides - not between the prosecution and the defense, but simply between right and wrong? Where even the defense team cannot be united if one uses slander, innuendo and personal degradation of a victim to wrongfully sway a jury? Food for thought.

    If we thought the trial was painful to watch, I think we're in for a very bumpy emotional ride. Michael, if we ever needed it, we are begging now for some of your rhinoceros skin! And the touch of your beautiful hand to reassure us that all will be well. We are trying so hard. Love you so much! :'(

    Love you, too, Bonnie - and don't feel too badly for calling Ed "Mike." I just got into a high pitched debate with mom about the comment by Randy Phillips and called her "Michael!" She looked at me like I was hopeless...hee-hee! :-) - Micheline

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  17. well, there are actually 2 variants of the documentary on the youtube.
    the first one is crappy quality. I believe it is the one that was aired first, in Australia, the video is incomplete , but has details which are left out in the 2nd full variant which is in HD and put on youtube one day later.In the second variant I believe these small details are edited out under the pressure of ongoing boycott from fans, plus, to my perception it makes the docu less sensationalist, salacious, and more inclined for us to feel sympathy.
    If you have nerves of steel to watch through both and compare, here are the links
    1.the earlier crappy one (it does not have interview either btw)
    PART 1 - http://youtu.be/dFV6-i-pduA

    PART 2 - http://youtu.be/GroBfzg6BlY

    PART 3 - http://youtu.be/uoLIllvluQE

    PART 4 - http://youtu.be/TVnsZalS6Es

    PART 5 - http://youtu.be/7n8XbIh_Als

    PART 6 - http://youtu.be/xfq-VncbrmU

    PART 7 - http://youtu.be/8x-XSV4YQ04

    2. the 2nd one, HD
    Part 1 www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmOX3xAvVMY
    Part 2 www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp4sP5i7JUo
    Part 3 www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLYf-FAuU9c
    Part 4 www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6qHDQ4m61c
    Part 5 www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tYvhDGzchw

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  18. Bonnie said, “....with the mind control and abuse Michael may have suffered? Well after watching some of that last night...I think I had some of that confirmed for me,...” When we watch this documentary tonight, will we be able to see the “mind control and abuse Michael have suffered” easily or can you give us some clue what to look for? I am very much interested to know.
    Mimi

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  19. Bonnie- Some of Dr. Murray’s interview was on Today’s show this morning. The doctor acknowledge that he left the room for longer time to talk on the phone, but he said he left the room to use the bathroom for 2 minutes on the police interview. Remember.

    You see telling the truth at all time is Godly and shows a person’s character. Also the chance of being caught on the web of lies is very great and embarrassing . One way or the other deceivers will be exposed on their own lies they twisted and come back to bite them.

    I bet the doctor has no regret for lying.
    Mimi

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  20. Mimi said - "I don’t understand, are the brothers going to sell the replica of “Thriller” and “Beat It” jackets and the money goes to them? It’s seems like they are using Michael to make money since they can’t make their own. I am disgusted. "

    ........ It doesn't say where the funds are going so I'd rather not just jump to the brothers, but it article did mention they had the estate's blessing, which to me tells me that the estate is the one making the money.
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    LIne said - "Not reassuring, Bonnie, but I wait until you tell us what Conrad Murray REALLY said. The TMZ tab shocked me too but part of it at might also be true..or TMZ should be shut down."

    ............ I have a list of people . . . a LIST that someone named Karen sent me (no it's not Faye, LOL) and it ties into everything I have above and the night before. It modernizes the "conspiracy" and ties it to Michael.

    The Penn State scandal is blowing wide open and I'm having a lot of trouble trying to process everything. Where is God? That's what I want to know. The times he choses to hide his face when seven, eight and ten year old children need him. I hope that sonfa-you-know-what fries.

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  21. Spotlight said - "I took the comment about bed wetting as a way of debasing Michael. Between the testimony we heard about condom catheters, Murray's police interview about going to the bathroom to relieve himself (of urine - oh please!) - and now Michael's bed wetting - someone appears to have a pee fixation! "

    ......... Oh Lord, Why didn't they just stick an obelisk in his bedroom and get the phallic symbols out of the way.

    During the 1993 allegations, they took pictures of his private property.

    In 2003, God knows what happened to him during his arrest. They did SOMETHING "very, very bad". The whole trial was about pedophilia, Chandler in 1993 had a fixation about gay sex as did his disgusting brother who "ghost-wrote" Chandler's book.

    You have scumbags like Ian Halperin, Randy Taraborrelli and other SEXUAL DEVIANTS penning their filthy fantasies in the press in regard to Michael. You have the supposedly morally unapproachable Oprah, all the way down to the least human, Nancy Graces and Diane Demon who probably have gay pedophilia print outs from the internet shoved under their mattresses for easy access to bedtime reading.

    You have Taylor, whom I no longer feel sorry for, you have Klein with access to Michael all his life, you have at least ONE of his assistants who was openly gay (and yes, I'm going to say it, I have some SERIOUS reservations about someone that openly gay giving me ANYTHING remotely close to a sedative!) Especially one as creepy as Klein.

    Then we move on when Lisa Marie failed to convert him to Scientology, which is actually a very thinly veiled bastardization of Kabbalah, Lisa Marie's FATHER'S, spiritual advisor's COUSIN moves right in to "handle" Michael (of course Lisa is "done cleaning up his messes" at this point, it's Geller's problem now.

    Geller and the loathsome Schmuck-Racketeering-Boteachless make sure Michael is completely surrounded along with pencil-neck Matt Fiddes (who looks like PRISON didn't even want him).

    I don't know about Geller's sexual leanings but both he and Boteach worship a book where under the RIGHT conditions, sex with children is okay.

    Fast forward to 2009, and again we have a death scene where the PENIS becomes again the topic of discussion and the unending fascination with Michael's private parts and any apparatus they deem interesting to discuss!

    Murray and his condom catheters, pee, urine and bedwetting, I guess we know what HIS fettish is!

    What are they trying to tell us? That Michael's sexual abuse never ended? Is that it?

    How does anybody stay sane?

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  22. Bonnie.

    I am still upset(what else is new) about the brothers going to the so called fan thing.Mimi had asked earlier,about them going to the trail.I don't remember seeing them.Randy,(bless his heart) was there almost everyday,and Jermaine was there some.Did anyone ever see the other brothers there?

    Murray is a dog for telling Michael wet the bed!That is so wrong!

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  23. Spotlight said - "and don't feel too badly for calling Ed "Mike." I just got into a high pitched debate with mom about the comment by Randy Phillips and called her "Michael!"

    .......... Well I don't know what your mom looks like but Ed is about as far away from resembling Michael as you can get. Not too many husbands are going to put up with that. Moms? Not so bad :o)
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    Anonymous -

    Thank you for the links. I just watched every one of them. I will still watch it tonight. Check out the last, very last part 5.

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  24. Mimi said - "I think I had some of that confirmed for me,...” When we watch this documentary tonight, will we be able to see the “mind control and abuse Michael have suffered” easily or can you give us some clue what to look for? "

    ......... Well, in the clips that I saw, that Anonymous posted above, not one thing appeared about Murray's comments about Michael's dad. So I can't until I see it tonight for sure. But if you are going to be watching, when they get to where Murray talks about Michael going the pain "of 100 lifetimes", that is where it is.
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  25. Mimi said - "Some of Dr. Murray’s interview was on Today’s show this morning. The doctor acknowledge that he left the room for longer time to talk on the phone, but he said he left the room to use the bathroom for 2 minutes on the police interview. Remember. "

    ....... Here is what I heard . . . Murray told the interviewer that he was in the chamber (he calls the rooms attached to the bedrooms chambers. It could have been the entry to the bedroom, but it didn't have a door on it) to talk on the phone so he wouldn't disturb Michael. He said he did this after sitting and watching Michael for 30 minutes before going into the bedroom entry or closet, whereever it is he went.

    He said he took two minutes to go to the bathroom but was in this other "chamber" of the same bedroom to return/make phone calls.

    IF he is telling the truth, what he did was perfectly normal. Especially since 25, mg Propofol does not stay in the system for 30 minutes. Even Dr. Cooper said 25mgs was not enough to sedate someone. From what I have heard, I dont' think Murray lied. I do believe that Murray only answered what was asked him when he could have offered more information. He's said, "But the police did not ask me that!"

    I still believe Murray is not responsible for Michael's death. Not going by the evidence presented. I can't pin it on him, the evidence has been too corrupted. When you have a prosecution witness even admitting that 25 mg's of propofol would not sedate anyone, you have to ask "then what killed him?"

    Murray said something else. He said that Michael said to him "I have been watching you for a long time. And I've been watching you because I was testing you . . . and you are the one."

    I don't know what that means yet, but I am going to find out.
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    Renee said - "I don't remember seeing them.Randy,(bless his heart) was there almost everyday,and Jermaine was there some.Did anyone ever see the other brothers there? "

    ........ I thought I heard HLN say Tito one of the days, but I can't be sure. Jermaine had oral surgery so that is why he missed some days as was announced on Twitter. Janet's been there, Latoya, Miss Katherine and Joe. I don't remember Jackie's name being mentioned and I don't remember Marlon's name being mentioned.

    The wet bed thing . . . I don't think I have to further explain how I felt about that. Sounded like Murray was trying to inflame watchers about Joe Jackson. I had been back and forth about Joe myself, but with the research I've done, all of Michael's problems began after he was isolated from his family. Who did Michael call "Dad" or "Daddy" or "his father"?

    During Bashir, Michael said "Joe", so there was no mistaking there. But during that time, handlers still clung to and were trying to control Michael.

    I have more information coming on that too. But not tonight.

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  26. Bonnie said "Murray and his condom catheters, pee, urine and bedwetting, I guess we know what HIS fettish is!"

    OK, that was very, very wrong what Murray said about Michael. You don't have to have a psychological disorder to pee the bed as an adult. It can be a purely physical condition. My brother peed the bed til he was about 10, not regularly but once in a while. My daughter used to sleep so deep as a child that she peed the bed intermittently til she was about 10 too. My daughter has peed the bed a few times as an adult as well. And now, I hate to admit it but, I've never peed the bed until the last few years, (I'm 57 years old), it happens about 2-3 times a year. You can get in such a deep sleep that you do not awaken and you pee the bed. It's not laziness, it's not a psychological disorder, it's physical or so I've been told.

    Michael wore a condom catheter, probably while he was under the anesthesia. I mean, come on, if you're under anesthesia, you're not going to wake up to go to the bathroom, right? So he wore the condom catheter. The condom catheter is non-invasive. If I was a man, I'd much rather have a condom catheter than a regular catheter inserted EVERY NIGHT. Do you know how painful that would be? EVERY NIGHT?? And condom catheters are notoriously able to fall off so any urine that might be in there would of course wet the bed. Also, didn't Michael have a prostate problem? Could that cause him to wet the bed? I don't know, I'm just asking.

    It seems to me that Murray was the one putting him under (anesthesia), putting the catheter on him and then "making fun" or denigrating him for something that should be expected (wetting the bed) given the circumstances Michael was in. I don't know, THAT's what is really pissing me off.

    But I'll withhold final judgement until the program. I wasn't going to watch it but now that I've heard some of the vicious, slimey things being said I guess I just have to hear it with my own ears. :(

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  27. Hi Bonnie. I don't like Randy Phillips. I did. I think what Murray said Phillips told him after the meeting is true. It just sounds like something he would have said. Phillips denied talking to Murray after the meeting. So what else is he lying about? Now I start to understand why Michael didn't like him. I think Randy is one of the reasons MJ is dead. But it's only my opinion and a bad feeling I have about him. Susanne

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  28. I have just finished watching the documentry of Conrad Murray. The show aired live here in the UK last night, (Thursday) but I have just watched it on the channel 4 'player', where previous programmes are repeated online for those who missed it live.
    I wasnt going to watch it, but I did. I put it off, but with a strand of hope that Michael is still 'with us', I decided I had better see and know the 'bigger picture'.
    In my heart from watching that programme, I feel we definately should not lose heart. Murray was praying, and had a bible open in a 'group prayer'. He spoke of a 'revelation' and holy spirit visitation.........I wont say anymore now but will leave you to watch it...........and look forward to hearing your 'take' on it.
    Keep the faith everyone, thats all I'm saying.
    Your encouragingly.
    Jenny

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  29. Hi Bonnie. I wouldn't be surprised if Randy Phillips told Murray to put MJ to sleep and make sure he didn't wake up. There was a lot of money at stake, right? Phillips said MJ must do those shows no matter what! When he realized it wouldn't happen he had to get rid of him. An easy thing to do when a person is using a lot of medication. Phillips saw that MJ was standing at the edge and instead of helping him get professional help he kept on pushing him over the edge. He is a business man that is his excuse. By doing those Interviews Dr.Murray tell us again that he can be bought if the pricetag is right. That's probably one of the reasons why he didn't testify. Anything for money, right Dr.Murray. He seems to be arrogant. During the trial and Interview he shows no guilt or remorse. The only time he cried and showed emotions during the trial was when his patients talked about what a great person and doctor he is. Susanne

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  30. Deb said - "Could that cause him to wet the bed? I don't know, I'm just asking."

    ........ Is that my business? I don't think so and my frustration with all that "too much information" stuff is that there is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT information to figure out.

    I covered this past summer that Michael suffered psychological and physical trauma. I also included the possibility that some of that trauma was sexual. I listened to what else Murray had to say on that documentary and one of the things he said, with completely genuine emotion was that Michael lived 1,000 lifetimes of pain. That is not something someone would say that did not care about a person. This was put in that documentary for a reason, and I assume so was the mention of bed wetting and "condom" catheters or references to such. I just did not want to hear it and I got angry because to me THAT is traumatic enough.

    There was a time in my life when I was a child when I was being (I don't know what you want to call it, rescued) and when I was picked up I bit the person that was helping me. It was a traumatic reaction. I knew the person would not hurt me, but I couldn't lash out at the people that did hurt me, so I bit that person. My mother told me about it years later and I remembered it like it was yesterday.

    This is exactly the feeling I initially had when I first heard Murray mention the bedwetting. I lashed out at Michael because it was traumatic for me to hear, even though it was Murray that said it.

    I went on Twitter and blasted the whole message, questioned the message, questioned the Jackson's motives, all that.

    Murray is the fall guy. Paterno is being made the fall guy for Penn State and that sick Second Mile program. Murray was not denigrating Michael. There is a reason this is coming out and look at the timing. More later.

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  31. Susanne said - "I don't like Randy Phillips. I did. I think what Murray said Phillips told him after the meeting is true. It just sounds like something he would have said. Phillips denied talking to Murray after the meeting. So what else is he lying about? "

    ........ You know what? Sometimes I don't like Randy Phillips either, but I don't think he was lying on the stand. Murray put that info in there for a reason even though we in the states did not get to hear it, it was in another version shown in the U.K./Australia.

    I don't know how to explain what Murray said about Phillip's comments about toilet paper or the living arrangements, but there is info within that we are supposed to pay attention to. I don't think financial hostage taking was a method that started with AEG and Michael. This has been going on a long time. The whole TII umbrella is being used to tell Michael's story that was never going to be told any other way. We have to do our own research.

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  32. "Schmuck-Racketeering-Boteachless"

    Oh Bonnie, you do make me laugh sometimes!

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