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Michael Jackson Justice: The True Story Behind the Cascio Tracks?

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The Conspiracy against God is about "The Word", and the profaning of His Holy Name within us. Adam fell in the garden, breaking the direct connection to God. Jesus, the "last Adam" was a quickening Spirit, the Word made Flesh, and the only one with whom we can re-establish our relationship with God. Michael's story is still unfolding. He is the one who is, is not. But Jesus is the only name given under heaven by which we must be saved. Many are trying to rewrite HIStory. We were given a help to instruct us. Learn more "here".

Tuesday, March 6, 2012

The True Story Behind the Cascio Tracks?

Are the Songs Stolen?  I Didn't Think So
Nothing is Sacred Anymore





I don't know how real this battle is or if it is another distraction, but this was posted on Twitter in Twit Longer in regard to the Stolen MJ Catalog of unreleased Music.  This is looking like a lot of nothing, but  I thought in all fairness I would post the TwitLonger here.  You can comment below.  Whatever happens between Sony and MJJC is not going to change what is going on in the world and I prefer not to give any more attention to it than this:



BREAKING: 2 UK men arrested and charged with hacking Sony Music and stealing $250 million in unreleased Jackson songs | 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/michael-jackson-hacking-james-marks-james-mccormick_n_1321912.html 


http://www.contactmusic.com/news/hackers-steal-michael-jacksons-unreleased-tracks_1300070 


Sony would not confirm how much music was stolen or what artists were involved. But a person familiar with the situation, who was not authorized to speak publicly, said Monday that the SUSPECTS WERE JACKSON FANS and had taken his music, including unreleased material. [Note: The 2 hackers implicated MJJC.] 




Wife of one of these "hackers" wrote this: 


"The press reported about my Husband is false! Its a case of them making up the parts they dont have yet, this is a stitch up from day one!" 


"FACTS: 1. There never was and never has been any Hacking. 2. MJJC/Gaz are continuing to lie, he now has 3 stories of the situation!" 


"FACTS: 3. The motivation behind the OPEN access to the servers was primarily to ensure the Cascio lies were stopped!" 


"FACTS 4. No Access or downloading of any Previously unreleased, Unleaked or Unheard Michael Jackson song EVER happened....Cont" 


"Infact those songs were taken and offered for sale to my husband and others, police are aware of these people but are not investigating! " 


Her husband (known as Birchey) wrote on twitter before: 


"Teddy Riley just lined the demo up behind his mix on Hollywood Tonight and then he "EQ'd" the high end out to create the bassline" 


"thats why there is no character to it, it was a ridiculas thing to do, I have know idea why he didn't use original" 


"I am guessing he didn't EQ the demo to get the bassline like Teddy did XD the original bass is killer!!!!!" 


"Soon the TRUTH will be heard!!!!" 


"Breaking News Demo, Before Teddy touched it, same vibrato....melodyne is a lie, Teddy LIED, the truth comes out within 6 months" 


"if it leaks it not from me, i have no interest in that. but the truth will come" 


"Back for bail 12th Sept, Me vs Sony Music, truth about the cascio tracks coming?" 


"No they taking me to court, I am being accused of something I never did, scare tactics wont work, its ridiculas " 


"Me to sony "Sony you're severs are open, thousands of people are getting music from them"............1 month later......servers still open" 


"back on bail sept 12th, think they questioning me again, will be interesting to see what they say" 


"well apparently my IP requested 49,000 downloads, guess the only 12 songs Sony listed on a printout? funny heh" 


"an MJ impersonator mixed by someone impersonating a real producer................xD" 


"dont worry bout me, its just smething i gotta go thru, its all bull, but in the end its all good " 


"to be honest i currently have zero MJ stuff, its all sat in some crime lab somewhere gathering dust xD" 


"that show was cringe worthy, a complete joke! they also happened to pick the most absurd mj fans to be on it, what an embarrassment" 


"a massive Majority of the lead vocals are not Michaels 
The breathing and other "aaahs" and stuff were pasted on 
The songs were orginally slower in pace 
The are NO claps, click or footstamps on ANY Cascio track on the vocal channel (something which to me proves this is definately not Michael behind that mic) 
The songs were all recorded on various Mics 
The original vocals themselves were NOT recorded badly but properly 
There are tons of takes of vocals, there are several takes used on each line 
There WERE backing tracks provided with the songs 
There are MANY Ghost backing vocals 
The only instance of a PVC Pipe being used was on about 4 lines in which they had "Michaels" vocals CLEAN and also recorded through a PVC pipe. 


You don't want to know how I know 


I cant and wont release any specific information but I have heard all 12 Cascio songs (Raw demos) and also seen pictures of the tracks being edited. 


Certain people here can vouch for me, but a leak of certain material cant happen, at least not from me, but I feel fans need certain information, I know the songs, all of them are copy and paste cuts from at least 10 vocals each, and from viewing the waveforms of each vocal track used, there is nothing wrong with the recordings, and also no clips, claps and so on like Michael would do, the breathing and grunts have been pasted in between vocals, I just wanted to add my 2 cents. 


there is breathing on them, but a majority has been pasted on, there are tracks named "MJGrunts_2" and so on, infact one song has a complete MJ beatbox intro made from 7 tracks of looped, copied and pasted MJ vocal tics. 


For the vocals its clear on the editing how they have had a variety of vocal tracks to choose from, for me this points to a good explanantion, if you were to get someone to copy MJ why have them do one take? They have used the lines which fit Michaels vocals the best, the smoking gun here is the sheer amount of lead vocals and backing vocals they have. 


I mentioned before there is breathing, but there is more which appear to have been put on top, not nescessarily breathing coming into a line, but more to do with little vocal ticks. The whole songs are a joke, I can tell you one song used 9 vocal tracks to complete ONE lead vocal, which tbh isn;t a big deal in a real studio situation but when we are told the vocals are one take its weird " 




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If these guys really can prove at the court that Cascio's tracks were fake - they are heros IMHO 
This is the only way to stop sony from cheating, making big money on fakes and violation of Michael's discography 
But can they? Against $ony? ( 


"if you ever tried to fight a corporation like Sony in court AND in another country, 
let me tell you…you want to do other stuff with that time and money… 


Even though the thing got settled in court kind of, I never felt they paid what they owed. 


It’s the old question that is being asked again and again: 
What’s a song worth? When does copyright start, when does it end? 


Around the same time I came to the conclusion that men with guns 
employed by the government can’t and won’t protect me from 
situations like this in the future." 
http://riotnews.tumblr.com/post/18802919868/atr-a-sony 


A little background: 


"Sometime in March last year, Birchey warned us that someone got HT remixes from a promotional link that Sony sent to Dj’s and told us to watch out and not allow links to it as posting links to official material is against MJJC policy. 


In early April, Birchey on our forums had written that he had all 12 Cascio songs. Obviously everyone was curious about it. When we were discussing it, he said that the songs were obtained by similar fashion to the HT remixes. He said the songs were easily and openly accessible through a promotional link Sony sends out to DJ’s and that someone gave the link to him. Birchey told us that he notified Sony of the breach and helping them to stop it. Also he said that he’ll never leak the songs and will stop anyone from doing so as well. " 




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This is what Charles Thomson (Award winning writer, Huffington Post blogger and media commentator) wrote about Cascio's tracks (from album Michael): 


"Yes. 'Whining' about the Jackson estate releasing fake tracks under Michael Jackson's name is 'pointless'. Who cares, right?" 


"It's like saying, 'Hitler's dead. Can we all just shut up now about the holocaust?'" 


"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. You can't just accept injustice." 


" I know the truth. I've seen the voice analyses." 


"I've seen conclusive voice comparisons. The nutters choose not to believe me, as is their right. But I know what I've seen." 


" Absolutely. They compared the acapalla vocals from all three Cascio tracks to MJ, then to Malachi. Perfect match to the latter." 


"The evidence is out there. People just choose to ignore it. Even Malachi's former producer says it's him on Breaking News." 


"There is no evidence that the people the Estate said confirmed MJ's vocals actually did. 
Several people who were in the meeting spoke out after and said the estate's statement was a lie." 


"Estate *claims* to have lots of evidence, but to date has failed to present any of it. Fans just blindly take their word." 


"Estate refused to release their voice analysis. Why? What harm would it do? Analyses I've seen show no match to MJ." 


"Some of those names are only according to the Estate. Witnesses from the meeting say that statement was a tissue of lies." 


"@RobLives4Love @mjYanaGirl @magicpoetryx So what're you saying? When someone powerful [censored] you in the ass, lay down and take it?" 


"So Jermaine's wrong, Taj & Taryll are wrong, Paris is wrong, Latoya's wrong, Jackie & Randy are wrong - and y'all know MJ better than them?" 


"And Teddy Riley thinks MJ is alive on an island somewhere. If he's your best source, I'd give it a re-think." 


"i don't understand why to some fans, album sales and chart results are more important than album CONTENT." 


"The family owns all the profits from the Michael album, technically, but still condemned it. 'Nuff said." 


"The estate bans MJ's own mother from using his full name. The name *she* gave him. How can you condone that? It's pure evil." 


" They sabotage the family at every turn, ie. banning Jermaine from Neverland when he wanted to take pics for book." 


"Can anyone tell me even one remotely good reason why the Estate would want to sell Hayvenhurst? They're just evil [censored]. [censored] them." 


"IMO, they want the family stuck renting so they're dependent on Estate money." 


"That's why they always try to sabotage the family's income, ie Cardiff broadcast." 


"We'll see. Why would they seek permission to sell Hayvenhurst if they didn't intend to sell it?" 


"Sony and the Estate would crush them. They hold all the power." 


"They even tried to include the fake tracks in the Immortal show until the fans gave them hell." 


" put nothing past them. If they cared one iota about history, they wouldn't release fake tracks." 


"They have absolutely no interest in or respect for Michael's legacy. They are actively destroying it with each passing year." 


"Travesty that new fans can pick up This Is It, but can't pick up the Bad/Victory Tours!" 


"There is literally no good or logical reason for the estate to do this. It's just plain [censored]. They're evil [censored]." 


I agree with this guy 
But... 


"The audio analysis I have referred to is entirely unrelated to any court case. What you're writing about me is libelous" 


"I've already stated that the voice analysis was conducted in Europe on the three legally released Cascio tracks." 


"Nothing to do with unlawful downloading of unreleased tracks in the UK." 


" I refused to reveal details of the analysis to protect the analyst from loonies"


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That's the whole TwitLonger.  The last people I believe is Sony.  So that Leaves MJJC and THESE people.  You Decide.  Tired of the Drama


Don't Hold Your Breath

26 comments:

  1. So good for Sony & the Estate : The organized sabotage & robbery on Michael's wealth & legacy gets gradually exposed. These crooks/leeches should be charged BUT who can for now ? :o((

    Also Whitney Houston/Sony :
    http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/70865/Whitney-Houston-Millions-In-Debt-At-Time-Of-Death

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  2. Hi. The latest news on MJ, "Did MJ have autism?"
    I wonder what Ne-Yo has. Sexism (/ist) ? Oh, sorry I forgot. It's only legal to wright bad things about MJ. I mean MJ almost destroyed the planet and screwed up all our childrens minds. We need more famous men like Ne-Yo who can teach young boys how to treat a lady.
    Susanne

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    1. No Michael did not have autism. Michael had creativism. That is a condition in which most public school psychologists believe should be medicated out of existence because they might have to actually work at TEACHING instead of BABYSITTING.

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  3. Line,

    I was working on the other blog and trying to catch up on this at the same time.

    Now that I've read this in its entirety (I also have copies of twitters between MJJC, Qbees and others) that Diane, truejustice and other supplied (There is a NEW BLOG UPDATE Posted right before this one that's a tad more important).

    So aside from the fact that this whole DRAMA is supposed to take precidence over . . . oh let's say the START of WWIII and Killing babies with vaccines, not that Sony gives a rats butt about that, This whole entry above makes Sony look like exactly what most fans think they are . . . crooks, liars, thieves and oppressors of Michael Jackson, Michael's legacy, Michael's family and Michael's children.

    MJJC will not get charged with anything because they are on on Sony's side. Their whole slanted Q&A with Jermaine revealed that.

    Sony is after the destruction of the Jackson Family and I agree with everything the wife of one of the "Hackers" wrote, up to and including all the PAID BLOGGERS WHO HAVE BEEN ATTACKING THE JACKSONS FOR USING THEIR OWN SON'S/BROTHER'S NAME!

    Aside from this, which I AM HAPPY is coming out about Sony and their CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR and their continued THIEVERY OF WHITNEY HOUSTON (Bobbi Kristina - Just Tell Illuminati Oprah to go to hell. It's okay. She's only a human being even if she does think she is God. She will learn that Zionism allows no Black gods) - There are OTHER THINGS IN THE WORLD that are going on. And Somehow, I do not believe that cracking the Sony Mob Code will save the world or create a new heaven and new earth. But maybe Justice for Michael will finally mean Justice for everyone else they have screwed.

    Sony . . . you suck!

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    1. Oh and CASCIOS . . . you SUCK TOO! But you probably already know that.

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    2. Yes, Sony Mob exposed would not save the world, it's only showbiz. But we first came here to find Justice for Michael & it is still not rendered, although it unfolds slowly. But as you said above in your own words, hopefully by rufflling these scavengers' feathers, it could be a warning for other big entities or..do I dream ?

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    3. Hi Line,

      My headache is gone now but unfortunately not our COLLECTIVE headache.

      I'll repeat what Jermaine once said - Justice will not be rendered through Twitter or the internet. So even though most fans consume Facebook and Twitter content looking for such, we may ultimately have to rely on God for justice. I would LOVE to see it meted out as we watch, but somehow, I don't believe this is what God had in mind when he said that we would judge our oppressors (but then again, maybe he did? Who's to say how and on what medium this will play out?)

      When Michael gets his justice we all will get our justice because we know what Michael was fighting for . . . humanity. :o) It's not a dream, it's foretold so at least we have that.

      Something else happened today. Rush Limbaugh stated on the air today that the Saul Alinksi book "Rules for Radicals" . . . "was dedicated to Satan. Are you LISTENING TO ME OUT THERE??? Dedicated to Lucifer!"

      Among the disinformational "conservative vs. liberal" slant of his radio show and the more recent name calling of a woman out of anger, Rush finally speaks the truth.

      I wonder how much longer he will be around?

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  4. http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/06/whitney-houston-bobby-brown-family-call-coroner-death-murder-investigation/#.T1X7i4dZ7pA

    But does the LAPD have any real intent to investigate ?

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    1. I don't think they do. The only reason there was an investigation into Michael's death was because there was an entity between Sony and Michael to blame. With Whitney, there isn't.

      Sony needs to get nailed . . . seriously. SOMETHING of Justice has to happen and Branca running around shoving Michael's children into the cameras to sell Sony's GARBAGE they call MICHAEL is NOT JUSTICE.

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  5. Hi Bonnie.
    ISN'T IT KIND OF FUNNY WHEN YOU THINK OF IT ALL.
    MJ loved and respected God, The planet, The nature, Animals, All races, All cultures, Children, Women. He loved and respected ALL living creatures. HE WANTED TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE! HE TRIED TO SPREAD HIS MESSAGE OF L.O.V.E.
    And people said, WAIT A MINUTE!! THAT'S NOT NORMAL!! He must be weird. It's something wrong with this guy. He must have some sort of psychological disease or something. He is definitely not normal. But his music is good though. You can't deny that.

    THE THING WITH MJ WAS THAT HE WAS TOO GOOD AND TOO NORMAL. THE ABNORMAL, EGOISTIC AND EVIL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD COULDN'T HANDLE THAT. THEY HATED HIM FOR IT. NOW HE IS GONE. AND THEY COULDN'T BE HAPPIER.

    It's like, should I laugh or should I cry. It's almost comical in a weird kind of way.
    Susanne

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    1. You hit the nail on the head Susanne. Michael is the "normal" God wanted us to be . . . up to and including the ORIGINAL INNOCENCE we were meant to hold onto.

      There is NOTHING NOBLE in the taking from others through intrigue as the Bible so succinctly tells us. Imagine maintaining an innocence in THAT INDUSTRY, as demonic as it is?

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  6. Sent via email from "P" Truejustice:

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    From MJJC:

    Dear Members


    Birchey did share snippets and mixes for us to play on our ustream show as they were greatly done and like many other professional fan made mixes ones in which the fans loved to listen to.

    However we had no prior knowledge of how they were obtained what was in them or that they were indeed stolen in the manner that they were.

    MJJCommunity was served a warrant to surrender its server to SOCA due to the case they had against Birchey for accessing its server and stealing its content.

    We had no choice but to adhere,

    It was then that we were made aware where these mixes these snippets had come from, thus a blanket ban of all such across MJJC.

    Be aware many dj's many fans send me/us fan made mixes of Michael Jackson songs many of which are freely available on Youtube.

    I was and am still very angry with those who stole these songs based on what could have happened to our beloved community at one point I was going to publicly out those who stole and shared with the innocent without telling them where these items had come from, never was our beef with the Estate or Sony, I in one of my tweets used the term "seriously dertail" this term should have been "seriously detail" we/I was very upset based on the happenings and was only every angry at those who stole putting an entire community in jeopardy for personal greed.

    From this day forward we work closely with the legal team of Sony to ensure we comply with all copyright policies, this is not a partnership nor a working relationship but one to ensure our community is safe and complies on all accounts.

    We are innocent and there is no case directed at MJJC due to our due diligence in this matter our handling of our operations relating to copyright and our consistent efforts to assist those who are the owners of said material.


    Regards
    Gary M Taylor
    Senior Admin/Owner MJJCommunity


    You may share the above MJJC statement in response to the unfounded accusations.

    -END-

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    1. Cont . . . from truejustice:

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      Michael Jackson back catalogue allegedly stolen by hackers

      More than 50,000 files from Sony Music, most by late pop legend, are said to have been illegally downloaded

      Michael Jackson's back catalogue has allegedly been stolen from Sony Music by hackers, it has emerged.

      More than 50,000 music files, most of which were by the late pop legend, are said to have been illegally downloaded.

      Jackson's estate signed the biggest recording deal in history, worth $250m (£164m) with the company in 2010, giving it the rights to sell his whole back catalogue as well as previously unreleased tracks.

      On Friday, two men who were arrested last May appeared in court in the UK accused of offences in connection with the alleged security breach.

      James Marks, 26, from Daventry in Northamptonshire, and James McCormick, 25, from Blackpool, denied charges under the Computer Misuse Act and the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act at Leicester crown court. They were released on bail, the Serious Organised Crime Agency said. They are due to stand trial next January.

      The incident comes less than a year after the names, addresses and other personal data of about 77 million people with accounts on Sony's PlayStation Network (PSN) were stolen.

      The company warned it had been hacked last April when an "illegal and unauthorised person" got access to the information, forcing Sony to temporarily shut down the PSN, which allows owners of the consoles to play online games and rent films.

      Private investigators were called in and Sony issued an apology for the "frustrating" security breach, promising it was taking steps to make its services "safer and more secure than ever before" in the wake of the attack.

      Sony Music is home to a string of major artists, including Leonard Cohen, Paul Simon, Foo Fighters and Avril Lavigne, and also distributes the music of Jimi Hendrix.

      Its catalogue features what it calls "some of the most important recordings in history".

      The company signed its contract with Jackson's estate nine months after he died from a drug overdose at the age of 50, leaving hundreds of millions of dollars of debt behind him.

      The deal also entitled the firm to use his music in computer games, television adverts and elsewhere, with profits from the arrangement to go into a trust shared by the singer's mother and three children.

      Sony Music declined to comment on the latest alleged hacking incident.

      Soca's involvement in the case comes after it shut down popular music site RnBXclusive last month, warning users that the majority of music files available via the website were stolen from the artists.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012...en?INTCMP=SRC H

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    2. cont.... from truejustice:

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      Daily Star - http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...ackson-tracks/

      HIDDEN Michael Jackson songs worth hundreds of millions have been stolen by computer hackers.

      British internet crooks lifted the never-before-heard tracks when they raided Jackson’s back catalogue on Sony computers.

      Record bosses only discovered the theft of 50,000 music files when a worker saw Jackson fans chatting about it on forums.

      Sony forked out £160million for the King of Pop’s entire back catalogue last year.

      The buy-up came with a stash of unreleased tracks including duets Jackson did with the late Queen singer Freddie Mercury and Black Eyed Peas star will.i.am, 36. Sony had been planning to release them on up to 10 albums, which would have netted a fortune.

      But sources last night warned the investment could now be “worthless” as the tracks may be leaked online for free. An insider said: “Sony may as well have poured their money into the gutter.

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      W.E.N.N. reports, “The attack was discovered weeks after hackers targeted Sony’s PlayStation Network in April, but was only confirmed by a Sony Music representative on Saturday.

      It is also unclear how much, if any, of the MJ archive, which includes many unreleased tracks including a collaboration with will.i.am, has leaked out onto the Internet. W.E.N.N. says Sony “identified the weakness and plugged the gap” at the time the breach was discovered.

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      The Sun - http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...y-hackers.html

      The hack was discovered during routine monitoring of social networking sites, Jackson fan sites and hacking forums.

      A source close to the company said: "Everything Sony purchased from the Michael Jackson estate was compromised.

      "It caused them to check their systems and they found the breach. There was a degree of sophistication.

      "Sony identified the weakness and plugged the gap."

      The hack has compromised the work of other artists managed by the firm, including songs by Jimi Hendrix, Paul Simon, Olly Murs, the Foo Fighters and Avril Lavigne.

      The source added that the second breach happening so soon after the first "would have made investors and artists think, 'What other part of Sony isn't secure?'"

      Last night Sony admitted there had been a security breach and that the Michael Jackson material had been stolen but refused to say how much the hackers downloaded.

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      http://smarthouse.com.au/Content_And...ustry/R2B4A3J3

      Last night Sony admitted there had been a security breach and that the Michael Jackson material had been stolen but refused to say how much the content the hackers downloaded or how long the hackers had access to the site.

      -END-

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    3. CHECK OUT THE TWEETS - SENT FROM TRUEJUSTICE

      from twitter

      @SuzanneMarks1
      The press reported about my Husband is false! Its a case of them making up the parts they dont have yet, this is a stitch up from day one!

      @SuzanneMarks1
      MJJC & their staff need to get their story straight b4 posting bout my husbands case, MJJC have been lieing for months the truth is coming

      @Ivy_MJJC
      @SuzanneMarks1 it's not "our" story but what we have been told. We believe to be misled about the source of them

      @SuzanneMarks1
      @Ivy_MJJC MJJC is caught in this situation because Gaz leaked cascio snippets & James's mix on Ustream

      @Ivy_MJJC
      @SuzanneMarks1 What we have been told by James versus what we have been told by law enforcement has been two different things.

      @SuzanneMarks1
      @Ivy_MJJC Also Gaz was well aware of the situation and asked James and Cartman to find more rarities for MJJC Exclusives!

      @SuzanneMarks1
      @Ivy_MJJC Of course it was, like they changed the charges 30 minutes before hearing because they had no hope of prosecuting him.

      @Ivy_MJJC
      @SuzanneMarks1 and also what I meant by caught in the middle was totally different than what u r talking abt. ps: What are the charges?

      @SuzanneMarks1
      @Ivy_MJJC Also I dont see the relevance of this, Gaz was beggning them for the cascio tracks and other demos to leak on MJJC

      @SuzanneMarks1
      Wait until court, see the evidence, we have both screenshots and logs of Gaz's begging for unreleased music, dont let them lie anymore

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      FROM MJJC

      posted by mjmax
      On twitter, Birchey said that they detected his IP requested 49 000 downloads. Is it related to the 50 000 files mentioned in the article?

      Posted by Pentum
      Exactly. They never downloaded all of these files, they only got the Cascio songs. That's it. No 50K files. No idea why THEY SAID his IP had 49k requests.

      reply by qbee
      BS - You were here and know for a fact mixes and videos were made from NON- Casico songs that they stole. Before we knew what happened the Fans were saying OMG where did you get that .... So how can you say that in all honesty.

      His IP may have had 49 requests - but maybe he wasnt able to acess them all. We dont know the whole truth of the matter from the media. Some of us are aware of what went down more than others But if they did declair 49 requests were on his IP ... They certainly will have info from his Internet provider to prove that.

      Posted by Pentum
      Qbee, don't talk without knowing the real story or at least more of it. I'll tell you again, the only stuff they got from the server was the 12 songs. What else are you talking about? Elaborate.

      posted by Gaz
      The other guy was a member on here called cartman.

      posted by StellaJackson
      The reporting on this case is wildly inaccurate. As someone who knows a fair deal about this, I can state that the bulk of what was taken, following a hacking that was committed by other individuals who have not been charged, was the material submitted by Eddie Cascio. None of the material was ever sold for profit and neither defendant ever leaked any of it online. It was done as an attempt to expose the alleged fraud behind the Cascio tracks, and the info obtained was extremely helpful and has been heavily discussed on this forum and others. This issue (Cascio tracks) will be discussed in court and forms a large part of the defence. I will be following the trial in person as it takes place in my town. However, it doesn't start until next January.

      posted by IVY
      Honestly I don't see how these admissions of "they entered the server" but "they did it to expose the songs fraud" are helping Birchey and Cartman. To me it seems like these admissions do prove Sony's complaints that songs were taken in an unauthorized fashion with the intention to hurt Sony.

      posted by Ivy
      Well as MJJC and their staff has caught in the middle of this situation due to Birchey and Cartman being members here, we are kinda privy to what Sony says as well. So our "story" isn't limited to Birchey's version - and it's not "our" story , it's what we have been told. We know that Birchey (and his wife) doesn't agree with the claims against them so it's not surprising to see her to call it "lies".

      posted by qbee
      it was Birchey himself that stated he was supplied a link to the Sony server and went in and
      downloaded - So if anyone is lying they are just repeating his own words. I dont see anyone,staff
      or members here stating Birchey personally hacked into Sony account. We dont know.

      Now I may have been mistaken in posting that I thought he took more then just casico songs but that
      is my personal opinion and possible error .

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    5. Here is something from MJJC. My question is why they only got the Cascio songs?

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      FROM MJJC

      posted by mjmax
      On twitter, Birchey said that they detected his IP requested 49 000 downloads. Is it related to the 50 000 files mentioned in the article?

      Posted by Pentum
      Exactly. They never downloaded all of these files, they only got the Cascio songs. That's it. No 50K files. No idea why THEY SAID his IP had 49k requests.

      reply by qbee
      BS - You were here and know for a fact mixes and videos were made from NON- Casico songs that they stole. Before we knew what happened the Fans were saying OMG where did you get that .... So how can you say that in all honesty.

      His IP may have had 49 requests - but maybe he wasnt able to acess them all. We dont know the whole truth of the matter from the media. Some of us are aware of what went down more than others But if they did declair 49 requests were on his IP ... They certainly will have info from his Internet provider to prove that.

      Posted by Pentum
      Qbee, don't talk without knowing the real story or at least more of it. I'll tell you again, the only stuff they got from the server was the 12 songs. What else are you talking about? Elaborate.

      posted by Gaz
      The other guy was a member on here called cartman.

      posted by StellaJackson
      The reporting on this case is wildly inaccurate. As someone who knows a fair deal about this, I can state that the bulk of what was taken, following a hacking that was committed by other individuals who have not been charged, was the material submitted by Eddie Cascio. None of the material was ever sold for profit and neither defendant ever leaked any of it online. It was done as an attempt to expose the alleged fraud behind the Cascio tracks, and the info obtained was extremely helpful and has been heavily discussed on this forum and others. This issue (Cascio tracks) will be discussed in court and forms a large part of the defence. I will be following the trial in person as it takes place in my town. However, it doesn't start until next January.

      posted by IVY
      Honestly I don't see how these admissions of "they entered the server" but "they did it to expose the songs fraud" are helping Birchey and Cartman. To me it seems like these admissions do prove Sony's complaints that songs were taken in an unauthorized fashion with the intention to hurt Sony.

      posted by Ivy
      Well as MJJC and their staff has caught in the middle of this situation due to Birchey and Cartman being members here, we are kinda privy to what Sony says as well. So our "story" isn't limited to Birchey's version - and it's not "our" story , it's what we have been told. We know that Birchey (and his wife) doesn't agree with the claims against them so it's not surprising to see her to call it "lies".

      posted by qbee
      it was Birchey himself that stated he was supplied a link to the Sony server and went in and
      downloaded - So if anyone is lying they are just repeating his own words. I dont see anyone,staff
      or members here stating Birchey personally hacked into Sony account. We dont know.

      Now I may have been mistaken in posting that I thought he took more then just casico songs but that
      is my personal opinion and possible error .

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    6. Now here's where someone from another site was explaining how and why MJJC got dragged into this:

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      I’ll add to what Gaz has wrote

      A little background: Sometime in March last year, Birchey warned us that someone got HT remixes from a promotional link that Sony sent to Dj’s and told us to watch out and not allow links to it as posting links to official material is against MJJC policy.

      In early April, Birchey on our forums had written that he had all 12 Cascio songs. Obviously everyone was curious about it. When we were discussing it, he said that the songs were obtained by similar fashion to the HT remixes. He said the songs were easily and openly accessible through a promotional link Sony sends out to DJ’s and that someone gave the link to him. Birchey told us that he notified Sony of the breach and helping them to stop it. Also he said that he’ll never leak the songs and will stop anyone from doing so as well.

      As you can see at that time we had no reason to think that this was intentional, or it was a theft, or it was anti-Sony or anti-Cascio. As far as we know, it was quite the contrary; we believed Birchey to stumble upon these semi-public songs and he was doing his best to the point of working with Sony to stop the breach in the servers and future leaks. That’s what we believed to be true at that time and therefore did not see a problem. All of our interactions and actions were based on this belief we had at that time.

      Sometime later small snippets started to get posted around the Internet – not by Birchey – and sometimes they found their way to MJJC as well. At that time we received regular copyright claims from Sony asking us to remove the links as it’s their copyrighted material. This didn’t raise any alarms as at that time they were communicated to us as regular copyright claims and we occasionally get them for MJ and non-MJ material.

      Then one day came the shocking news that Birchey was arrested for fraud. We couldn’t make sense of it as we thought he was helping Sony with the breach in their servers and we never thought he could be involved in any leaking as he was the one that warned us about any potential leaks to stop them. There was a lot of confusion going on and we didn’t understand what was happening. We were shocked and worried – both for Birchey and MJJC. Soon we learned from Birchey that Sony was claiming that he took and leaked the songs intentionally to reduce their future value. I have to add that Birchey denied these claims in our conversations.

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    7. cont . . .

      Then came the law enforcement. We were notified that they wanted access to MJJC to investigate the claims against Birchey and later on they executed a court issued warrant and confiscated MJJC servers from MJJC's hosting provider. It was out of our control. That was the time MJJC was down for multiple days and when we didn’t know if we’ll get back the servers or not.

      Sometime during that time we learned that Cartman was also arrested as a co-conspirator and we learned that Sony claims the songs weren’t that easily accessible as Birchey portrayed and it required a deliberate attempt and long search to find and get them – hence the hacking and stealing claims – and that they believed there was a motivation, an intent to get these songs (anti-cascio).

      So that’s what we know. As I said before there’s not an “our story”, it’s just that there are two different versions to this event. What we have been told by Birchey and what we have been told by law enforcement has been two different things. It’s not our place to determine who is right or wrong. It’s a question for a court, judge and jury.

      Despite the recent accusations against MJJC, I also want to say that as MJJC staff we don’t want to see anyone – especially a fellow MJ fan that we know and loved for a long time – to get hurt. As I said to Birchey multiple times, our hope is that this gets resolved in a friendly manner and Birchey & Cartman as well as other parties can walk away from this with no damages whatsoever.

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      All compliments of Diane, truejustice and Micheline too.

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    8. Looks like MJJC and Sony are scrambling to save butt with the fans.

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  7. Hi Bonnie. " A rats butt? " I never heard that expression before. But I guess it means, they couldn't care less or they don't care at all, right or wrong?
    Susanne

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    1. Yes, that is exactly what it means. :o)

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  8. Hi Bonnie. I don't understand why you hate Oprah so much. I guess I am ignorant. I thought she had helped a lot of poor people financially through her show and also gives a lot of money to different charities. I have always thought she was a humanitarian with a big heart. She is one of the richest women in America, right? Maybe that is why she is hated. How can men handle her. Isn't she a threat to them?
    Susanne

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    1. Oprah to my knowledge is not hated. I don't hate her. But I don't like her either. Oprah is a sellout to the Illuminati just like Quincy Jones is. I'm sure she has a big heart, as long as she gets publicity for it. Funny how Oprah's "giving" was more publicized than Michael's. Oprah is not in the Guinness world book of records but Michael is. Yet she gets accolades for that and all she gives Michael is questions about "What about the drugs . . . . what about the children in his bed".

      Yeah . . . real big heart. Unless it boosts her ratings she's not interested.

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    2. Maybe the fame and fortune changed her as a person. Many people who start from zero often forget who they were and where they came from when they reach the top. Success doesn't always change people for the better as we all know. Many of them are shopping for a big ego suit when they have reached the top of the mountain. But MJ never owned one of those suits.
      Susanne

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    3. The fame and the fortune is what they usually tempt people with yes, I agree with you.

      Yes, Michael had a humble suit . . . except when he was on stage getting God's message out, spoken through his songs.

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